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A radio show mentioned that Russia had asked the US to withdraw all American troops from Afghanistan. I didn't hear the rest of it and it might have been a farce.

Coming as this does after recent Russian ventures, such as persuading Kyrgyzstan's government to give America the boot, forcing Ukraine and Europe to comply with Russian desires, and its recent victory against one of America's staunchest allies in the area, Georgia. Not to mention that today, they joined with Belarus, Armenia, Kazahkstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to create a common military force.
We should also note that both the Russian and American economies are in the toilet, along with everyone elses, with the exception of maybe China.

Who would win in a global war? Russia or America? How much damage will they inflict on each other's cities.
For non Americans and non Russians, which side do you think your country will take?

Finally, do you think the human race will survive World War III? And how long do you think each country would be able to hold out?

Title of thread is misleading.

I thought they were saying they were willing to Assist us in Afghanistan...Not telling us to pull out...

Although, Im not sure thats a whole lot better, considering their track record and reputation in the region...

And, in my humble opinion, we already survived WWIII, commonly known as The Cold War...

Another question: Why do the Russians want the US out of Afghanistan????

Yeah, the Russians are pretty good at surrendering to Afghans.

Yeah, the Russians are pretty good at surrendering to Afghans.

Not quite...
They got butchered in Afghanistan. Their troops were completely unprepared for the harshness of the land, they were outnumbered, demoralized, and the Afghani tactics (taught by the CIA no less) were extremely effective against them. When a patrol would be wiped out, the Russians who examined the area wouldn't even find the bodies. Their withdrawal wasn't even much of a surrender. After 10 years, they just...left. And I mean almost overnight. They left their equipment, anything that couldn't be quickly transported, and withdrew. But without much support, history has shown that most armies fail in Afghanistan. The British were the closest to a long-term victory, but still only were able to control a small area and took horrendous losses during that time. It's not exactly an easy target.

I thought they were saying they were willing to Assist us in Afghanistan...Not telling us to pull out...

Although, Im not sure thats a whole lot better, considering their track record and reputation in the region...

And, in my humble opinion, we already survived WWIII, commonly known as The Cold War...

Apparently they said they will help with nonmilitary stuff.

That means no military aircraft and no American soldiers will be going through Russia. Civilian stuff only.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20090204/119984121.html

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-02-04-voa22.cfm

"Russia has long resented the U.S. presence in Central Asia and paid the Kyrgyz big money to drive the Americans out."

"He says Russia is trying to turn the CSTO into a genuine military union " to essentially kick out the Americans.

"Kyrgyz National Security Council head Adakhan Madumarov says the United States would have 180 days to leave the air base "

Where does this leave US policy in Central Asia, a region which includes Afghanistan.

Not quite...
They got butchered in Afghanistan. Their troops were completely unprepared for the harshness of the land, they were outnumbered, demoralized, and the Afghani tactics (taught by the CIA no less) were extremely effective against them. When a patrol would be wiped out, the Russians who examined the area wouldn't even find the bodies. Their withdrawal wasn't even much of a surrender. After 10 years, they just...left. And I mean almost overnight. They left their equipment, anything that couldn't be quickly transported, and withdrew. But without much support, history has shown that most armies fail in Afghanistan. The British were the closest to a long-term victory, but still only were able to control a small area and took horrendous losses during that time. It's not exactly an easy target.


What do you think of Afghanistan being a powder keg for another world war?

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The Cold War is over dude.

The Cold War is over dude.

Nah, it was just on Hiatus until Russia stabilized its new Leadership, lol

Nah, it was just on Hiatus until Russia stabilized its new Leadership, lol

The Cold War II: Return of Putin

http://www.szepseg.com/uploaded_images/putin-judo-socks-02-709048.jpg

Not quite...
They got butchered in Afghanistan. Their troops were completely unprepared for the harshness of the land, they were outnumbered, demoralized, and the Afghani tactics (taught by the CIA no less) were extremely effective against them. When a patrol would be wiped out, the Russians who examined the area wouldn't even find the bodies. Their withdrawal wasn't even much of a surrender. After 10 years, they just...left. And I mean almost overnight. They left their equipment, anything that couldn't be quickly transported, and withdrew. But without much support, history has shown that most armies fail in Afghanistan. The British were the closest to a long-term victory, but still only were able to control a small area and took horrendous losses during that time. It's not exactly an easy target.

Paritially right.

The Soviets went in with old style Soviet tactics. When it went to a gorilla war; they started to loose. The Soviets then switched over to Helicopters and commandos; they started inflicting losses. When the Taliban got ahold of some Stingers.....game over.

Alexander the Great actually beat them. He basically started slaughtering whole areas if his troops were attacked. Problem is he was called back so it didn't last.

Only reason the Taliban was back is because the shrub was too much in a hurry to attack Iraq.

The Cold War II: Return of Putin

http://www.szepseg.com/uploaded_images/putin-judo-socks-02-709048.jpg

lmao, its like the Nineties were Halftime...

Oh an I forgot to add. The soviet killed an uncountable amount of people and leveled uncountable buildings.

A coworker is from there and has a few stories about them.....

The Cold War is over dude.

Tell that to the Russians.

Tell that to the Russians.

the ones that didn't "threaten the United States?"

If it started in Afghanistan. The US would win. Historically when Russians get invaded from central Asia they lose big, just ask the Mongolians. Invade from Europe they win.

But without much support, history has shown that most armies fail in Afghanistan. The British were the closest to a long-term victory, but still only were able to control a small area and took horrendous losses during that time. It's not exactly an easy target.
The issue with Afghanistan is that there's pretty much nothing there to control, conquer, hold on to.

It's not an easy target, nor a hard one - it's like shooting at water. In Europe, you have cities, communications, infrastructure, positions. In Afghanistan, you have Kabul and the wilderness. Cannabis fields, opium fields, villages. The few things of value that are there have been built by either US or Soviet government. And this pre-medieval part of the country is massive in size and population.