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Gotta take a stand for on of my favorite actors. I wondered if their was a "real" story was behind the rant.

Just as I suspected, there was more to the story than was generally published. Hollywood seems to not like it when certain people are "too successful." Bale has the admiration of many of his peers, especially directors, and had a MEGA blockbuster to boot. So -- is this just the media's attempt to defame someone's character, or did they actually simply not discover this little fact.

Another version of the story (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39984)

two comments in the article worth considering:
It is a moment in a man's life taken completely out of context and most likely leaked to personally embarrass Christian Bale.

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Bale had indeed warned the (perpetrator) on multiple occasions about messing with lights while the cameras were rolling, and Bale was in the midst of a painful scene with Bryce (co star), what was described to me as being the emotional center of the film and his character for the film.

This guy was messing w/ lights WHILE FILMING - and filming the "emotional center of the film".

He's probably lucky Bale didn't deck him. I know I would have wanted to.

I personally don't hear anything wrong.

Using profanity is wrong. He should be fired from Hollywood.

Using profanity is wrong. He should be fired from Hollywood.

dude - if everyone who used profanity in Hollywood was fired from their job... there'd be no "Hollywood."

dude - if everyone who used profanity in Hollywood was fired from their job... there'd be no "Hollywood."

Let them choose roles in movies that require them to use profanity if they need to vent their aggression in such a way. It's a simple and elegant solution.

i dont understand why anyone cares that christian bale lost his temper during a shoot. yeah he was rough but its not like he decked the guy.

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I thought he was taking himself a bit seriously. But we all have bad days. Since I 'talk' like that to people on occasion, I didn't see the deal.

I am annoyed that I had to hear about it however.

He's probably lucky Bale didn't deck him. I know I would have wanted to.

I don't think there is much reason to be worried about Christian Bale decking you.

"the emotional center of the film and his character for the film"

...in Terminator 4. Seriously? How the hell do you go from The Dark Night/Batman Begins to circling the drain in another shitty Terminator sequel? Somebody must have placed a hit on his career.

Big fat hairy deal. Someone screwed up the scene, and Bale told him off. STOP THE PRESSES, IT'S NEWS! :rolleyes:

The remix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48) is truly a masterpiece though!

warning - bale says some rude words kiddies.

I have to say though, he only gets about a four or five for cursing someone out skills. It wasn't a very inspired effort, relying only upon the fuck word mostly.

Nothing about ancestry, genetic deficiencies, long explanations of why the miscreant is permanently doomed to inadequacy and failure through his own irreparable shortcomings &c.

He wouldn't cut it in this man's navy.

"the emotional center of the film and his character for the film"

...in Terminator 4. Seriously? How the hell do you go from The Dark Night/Batman Begins to circling the drain in another shitty Terminator sequel? Somebody must have placed a hit on his career.

First, what makes you assume it will be shitty? Second, how the fuck is he "circling the drain" just because he chose to take one role you don't find brilliant or profound enough?

I suppose its almost inevitable after The Dark Knight that people would gossip about how his career is going down the tubes no matter what movie he took next. But its probably going to take a lot more than one role to sink his reputation after that (and this is coming from someone who's not particularily awed by Bale as an actor).

Also, each shot costs a lot of money. If this guy was screwing up shots repeatedly, I'm surprised he wasn't fired before Bale had a chance to get pissed off that much.

Didn't need to see "the other side". Bale is a professional who takes his craft seriously; the director is either not a professional, or has no consideration for the work everyone around him does. Imagine a painter laboring over a canvas only to have the guy who commissioned it come over and doodle on it in sharpie.

The remix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48) is truly a masterpiece though!

warning - bale says some rude words kiddies.

That remix is tight! I could dance to that all night.

Let them choose roles in movies that require them to use profanity if they need to vent their aggression in such a way. It's a simple and elegant solution.
So cursing is only acceptable when it is done for the "benefit" of a mass audience comprising many ages, maturity levels and backgrounds, but among adults, it is a strict no, no?
Interesting perspective, I guess.

I had no idea this even happened. Who is he yelling at?

Didn't need to see "the other side". Bale is a professional who takes his craft seriously; the director is either not a professional, or has no consideration for the work everyone around him does. Imagine a painter laboring over a canvas only to have the guy who commissioned it come over and doodle on it in sharpie.

It's more like walking on the floor when a janitor is mopping it. Actors are only performing an entertainment service, they're not creating anything in the same way that a painter or composer or writer creates art.

It's more like walking on the floor when a janitor is mopping it. Actors are only performing an entertainment service, they're not creating anything in the same way that a painter or composer or writer creates art.

Bull. And it's easy to tell it's bull because good performances affect (some of) us so deeply, and terrible acting crushes the soul.

Composers all have access to the same range of notes. Writers all have access to the same words. But they each create something different from them. Or to quote Chip Kidd: "26 letters in the alphabet. You can write Marjorie Morningstar or Ullyses."

I had no idea this even happened. Who is he yelling at?

He was yelling at cinematographer Shane Hurlbut for walking into one of his shots during filming. Aparently the guy had done it several times already and Bale's tirade was due to this, and to the fact that the scene he messed up was apparently an emotional one (though quite how 'emotional' a scene for a Terminator movie could be is beyond me).
Listening to it in it's entirety:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRhjBq2kYj4

sounds like Hurlbut seriously fucked up and deserved an ear-bashing. Bale is very much a traditional method actor who takes his craft seriously (look how much he starved himself for The Machinist then bulked up for Batman) so I can understand how he'd get deeply involved in any scene he's being filmed, even for a dumb action flick like Terminator. Having some guy wander onto the set and start fiddling with the lights would be a major distraction to an actor like Bale. He's not a Judi Dench.
Indeed, if you listen to the entire tirade, Bale does in fact compliment hurlbut (sounds so much like 'Hurl-Butt') a couple of times just tells him not to be so fucking stupid as to be in the scene. Which is something any movie professional should know not to do.

To sum up: the kid deserved it, Bale needs to learn a few more cuss words and the dance remix is freaking awesome!

sounds like Hurlbut seriously fucked up and deserved an ear-bashing. Bale is very much a traditional method actor who takes his craft seriously (look how much he starved himself for The Machinist then bulked up for Batman) so I can understand how he'd get deeply involved in any scene he's being filmed, even for a dumb action flick like Terminator.

Not to nitpick, but Bale isn't a method actor, and has said so many times. He does not draw from his own experiences, memories or feelings to portray a character. He DOES immerse himself in the guise of the character. /fanatic

Bull. And it's easy to tell it's bull because good performances affect (some of) us so deeply, and terrible acting crushes the soul.

What does that have to do with it? Lots of things that aren't art can affect me deeply. Performance entertainment included. A painter or composer composes, not performs, they are fundamentally different processes.

Not to nitpick, but Bale isn't a method actor, and has said so many times. He does not draw from his own experiences, memories or feelings to portray a character. He DOES immerse himself in the guise of the character. /fanatic
I wouldn't call him a character actor though. He appears more Method than Character to me.
Unless there's another category we can place him into.

I wouldn't call him a character actor though. He appears more Method than Character to me.
Unless there's another category we can place him into.

I think he is, though. I think it just doesn't seem like it because he's very, very good.

I think he is, though. I think it just doesn't seem like it because he's very, very good.
Well, you can be good being either Method (think early Hoffman or Deniro) or Character (pretty much every great British Actor: Dench, Kingsley, Olivier, Gielgud etc).
I just think anyone who starves themselves to the point Bale did for the Machinist is more Method than Character.

That remix is tight! I could dance to that all night.

Oh so true. The Remixer is apperantly also working on RuPaul's new album. If it turns out anywhere close to Bale's outburst I just may have to buy it.

I had no idea this even happened. Who is he yelling at?
A director of photography who apparently thought that walking through a set while there was filming going on to adjust the lights was a good idea.

Bull. And it's easy to tell it's bull because good performances affect (some of) us so deeply, and terrible acting crushes the soul.
Platonist.

Using profanity is wrong. He should be fired from Hollywood.

Why?

Man, I heard that on the Colbert Report...

I was like "If Batman says dont fucking Distract him....You dont fuckin distract Batman dammit!" .....

Course, then Joker threw exploding cards at me and I shut the fuck up :( lol

I've seen this go down a few times on sets when hubby was acting. It's expensive, tedious and soul crushing work and when someone inconsiderate fucks up a scene that you've already done 3999999993023048934 times that day and you have to do it yet again, it pisses you off, especially if it's someone who should know better (as opposed to background or on-lookers).

I've seen this go down a few times on sets when hubby was acting. It's expensive, tedious and soul crushing work and when someone inconsiderate fucks up a scene that you've already done 3999999993023048934 times that day and you have to do it yet again, it pisses you off, especially if it's someone who should know better (as opposed to background or on-lookers).

Yes it must be terrible and I'm sure Mr Bale is crying all the way to the bank. Seriously, the guy made 10 million in the Dark Knight alone. Him being inconvienced that one time in a scene ranks right up there with "Megacorporate CEO still doesn't have automatic ass-wiper in toilet" on my give-a-shit-o-meter.

Yes it must be terrible and I'm sure Mr Bale is crying all the way to the bank. Seriously, the guy made 10 million in the Dark Knight alone. Him being inconvienced that one time in a scene ranks right up there with "Megacorporate CEO still doesn't have automatic ass-wiper in toilet" on my give-a-shit-o-meter.

I'm sure he's hurt deeply by your apathy.

I'm sure he's hurt deeply by your apathy.

As, I'm sure, he is exceptionally well-comforted by your understanding of his deep artistic plight.

You know it's not my intention to "hurt" anyone just because I have an opinion.

As, I'm sure, he is exceptionally well-comforted by your understanding of his deep artistic plight.
I was just saying, it's not a big deal, it's like non-news. Someone fucks up a scene and they get yelled at.......it's not news.

You know it's not my intention to "hurt" anyone just because I have an opinion.
I really don't care.

I was just saying, it's not a big deal, it's like non-news. Someone fucks up a scene and they get yelled at.......it's not news.


Right, it isn't.

I really don't care.

You're hurting me.

Right, it isn't.
Then we agree.

You're hurting me.
I'm quite the sadist.

Then we agree.


I'm quite the sadist.

Do it some more. Why else would I post on NSG if not for my masochistic tendencies? We're like peas and carrots, only the peas are beating the carrot and the carrot is enjoying it thoroughly.

Which is... not really like peas and carrots at all, but whatever. :p

Yes it must be terrible and I'm sure Mr Bale is crying all the way to the bank. Seriously, the guy made 10 million in the Dark Knight alone. Him being inconvienced that one time in a scene ranks right up there with "Megacorporate CEO still doesn't have automatic ass-wiper in toilet" on my give-a-shit-o-meter.
Except it wasn't one time. By all accounts, the guy Bale was yelling at had been warned more than a few times already for wandering onto the scene during shooting.
Sure Bale's outburst seems a bit drama queenish but this guy was totally unprofessional and really should know better.

Except it wasn't one time. By all accounts, the guy Bale was yelling at had been warned more than a few times already for wandering onto the scene during shooting.
Sure Bale's outburst seems a bit drama queenish but this guy was totally unprofessional and really should know better.

I understand how it would, in fact, seem "drama queenish", but having been in theatre, gotta say - I can fully understand exactly how Bale felt, and why he went ballistic.

According to an article (interview (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2009/feb/04/christian-bale-terminator-tape)), Bale only did the movie because it focused less on special effects, and more on character development. I am very much looking forward to T4 because of Bale's involvement.

I don't see where he's worth 10 million dollars and everyone is cool with it. But a CEO of a large corporation is portrayed as "doing nothing" and "doesn't deserve it" and its "way too much money." Same with sport stars. The anti-capitalist rant is mysteriously absent when it comes to people that make them personally entertained. The silence is deafening!

Movie and sports stars are all "worth" the amounts they receive because of you and I. So don't bitch about it.

Gotta take a stand for on of my favorite actors. I wondered if their was a "real" story was behind the rant.
Yes, the real story is that ACTORS are HUMAN!!!
This guy was messing w/ lights WHILE FILMING - and filming the "emotional center of the film".
not Bale's job to control the stage hands/set grips. that is the director's job.

I don't see where he's worth 10 million dollars and everyone is cool with it. But a CEO of a large corporation is portrayed as "doing nothing" and "doesn't deserve it" and its "way too much money." Same with sport stars. The anti-capitalist rant is mysteriously absent when it comes to people that make them personally entertained. The silence is deafening!

Christian Bale's performances are generally critically hailed, therefore it's easier to stomach him making $10 million a movie. Ask people what they think of someone like Lindsey Lohan making tons of money, and I think you'll have the response you're looking for.

not Bale's job to control the stage hands/set grips. that is the director's job.
Not the point. This guy wasn't doing his job professionally and was directly affecting Bale's ability to do what he was supposed to.

I don't see where he's worth 10 million dollars and everyone is cool with it. But a CEO of a large corporation is portrayed as "doing nothing" and "doesn't deserve it" and its "way too much money." Same with sport stars. The anti-capitalist rant is mysteriously absent when it comes to people that make them personally entertained. The silence is deafening!

Because they create profit. Which apparently American and Icelandic CEO's can't do. The problem isn't that CEO's aren't worth the cash...it is that they aren't worth the cash now. Bale in a flick lends itself to a specific amount of revenue from people who want to see Bale in a movie. The name is marketed. Look at Ledger in Dark Knight, his appearance guaranteed receipts at the box office. Same with athletes, athletes that put up numbers bring revenue to teams. CEO's currently do not.

Because they create profit. Which apparently American and Icelandic CEO's can't do.

Yeah I'll remember that next time I apply for a job at Christian Bale.

There are over 25 million businesses in the US right now. Are you seriously going to say that a few high-publicity, pseudo-subsidized car companies demand handouts and get them, its a condemnation of business leaders as a whole?

Not the point. This guy wasn't doing his job professionally and was directly affecting Bale's ability to do what he was supposed to.

Exactly my point. the Director (and his assistants) are the ones who need to make sure everything is in place before the scene is shot. the fact that this light/person is causing a distraction needed to be addressed NOT by the actor but by the director/Assistant Directors. if the problem with the light was mechanical, then the Director needs to halt filming to address the problem (Fix the light or turn it off.) if the worker is being a dick, then the director needs that worker removed from the set BECAUSE it was affecting the actors ability to do what he/she was supposed to do.

There are many people in place to prevent the problem from reaching the point it did. the Grip should've brought it up to the Set Manager (and NOT fiddle with the damn thing when the calls for "Quiet on the set. Lights..." Occure) and the set manager then brings it up to the director who makes the decision to stop shooting or continue.

Did anyone see Colbert last night? Steve Martin is such a fucking dick!

Get out of Colbert's FUCKING eyeline!

Did anyone see Colbert last night? Steve Martin is such a fucking dick!

Get out of Colbert's FUCKING eyeline!
he reminded me of john mccain during the tom brokaw debate.

i laughed.