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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25006101-401,00.html

A WOMAN suspected of recruiting more than 80 female suicide bombers has confessed to organising their rapes so she could later convince them that martyrdom was the only way to escape the shame.

Samira Jassam, 51, was arrested by Iraqi police and confessed to recruiting the women and orchestrating dozens of attacks. In a video confession, she explained how she had mentally prepared the women for martyrdom operations, passed them on to terrorists who provided explosives, and then took the bombers to their targets.

"We arrested Samira Jassim, known as 'Um al-Mumenin', the mother of the believers, who was responsible for recruiting 80 women'', Major General Qassim Atta said.

Are these people NORMAL? Do they have some sort of deficiency or malfunction? Who the fuck DOES THAT?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25006101-401,00.html



Are these people NORMAL? Do they have some sort of deficiency or malfunction? Who the fuck DOES THAT?

I would say the desperate, but not even a desperate person with basic morals would go that far. SO the only answer I can give is the bad guy. I am not calling the US the good guy, but this is equivocally the act of the depraved and immoral.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25006101-401,00.html



Are these people NORMAL? Do they have some sort of deficiency or malfunction? Who the fuck DOES THAT?

No, they're not.
Derranged people do that.

No, they're not.
Derranged people do that.

Makes you wonder what kind of social reprogramming she went through.

Makes you wonder what kind of social reprogramming she went through.

I blame the media.

I blame the media.

I blame Rock N' Roll!

Makes you wonder what kind of social reprogramming she went through.

I've no idea, but I can't imagine it was pleasant.

There is something to this whole "the sins of the fathers" thing... bad social behaviour has a way of being replicated over and over through the generations, getting worse and worse...

I would say the desperate, but not even a desperate person with basic morals would go that far. SO the only answer I can give is the bad guy. I am not calling the US the good guy, but this is equivocally the act of the depraved and immoral.

Desperate, brainwashed, or simply corrupt.

This story is notable, however, in that you don't often here about female suicide bombers. Perhaps this is due to the perceived role of women in Islamic extreemist-controlled countries. In any case, I've never heard of a case like this before.

It is where you end up if you follow the logic of "it is effective so we should use it" or "if we don't the other side will" with things like torture.

Well, on the bright side, at least they didn't die a virgin...

I've no idea, but I can't imagine it was pleasant.

There is something to this whole "the sins of the fathers" thing... bad social behaviour has a way of being replicated over and over through the generations, getting worse and worse...

Yes perhaps, but like the Holocaust, these kinds of things often have someone even more fucked up behind them.

Well, on the bright side, at least they didn't die a virgin...

Dude... not funny.

Yes perhaps, but like the Holocaust, these kinds of things often have someone even more fucked up behind them.

Well, a little mental instability can get you far in human society. :(

Well, a little mental instability can get you far in human society. :(

I think it all depends on what kind of insane you are. I haven't hurt anyone and I am certifiable.

that will learn them for being whores!

this is very very bad

Well, on the bright side, at least they didn't die a virgin...

I hear Al Qaeda has been recruiting on the internet :D

Are these people NORMAL? Do they have some sort of deficiency or malfunction? Who the fuck DOES THAT?

She did. Duh.
She believed that the end justifed the means. So do many people in many areas. We just find this one particulary shocking, but the actual thought process behind it is dominant almost everywhere.

So yes. She is normal. It is just sad that normal is so close to evil.

I think it all depends on what kind of insane you are. I haven't hurt anyone and I am certifiable.

Apparently, the violent varieties of insanity are great career boosts.

Apparently, the violent varieties of insanity are great career boosts.

Apparently.

Well, on the bright side, at least they didn't die a virgin...

What's wrong with you?

Well, on the bright side, at least they didn't die a virgin...

and now i'm going to hell. Thanks for that :p

It's really quite simple.

This evil monster believes that God wants her to do this. Since she (like a horrifyingly large quantity of the human population) views God as the source of all good and morality, what is done in the name of god is automatically right. No matter what it is. It cannot be wrong because it is "of God".

Truly, belief is a blight upon all humanity.

It is just sad that normal is so close to evil.This makes me sad.

Truly, belief is a blight upon all humanity.Has there ever been a time when religion wasn't the enemy of freedom?

This makes me sad.

Has there ever been a time when religion wasn't the enemy of freedom?

Uhmm.. the Greeks maybe? Greek religious tales were full of stories of men defeating the gods in various ways, proving that if you stuck to your talents you had opportunities to go far in life and that morality (their version of it) was more important than faith.

This makes me sad.

Has there ever been a time when religion wasn't the enemy of freedom?

Sure there was!

Remember last Thursday, around 11.46pm? Right then.

You may have missed it.

Uhmm.. the Greeks maybe? Greek religious tales were full of stories of men defeating the gods in various ways, proving that if you stuck to your talents you had opportunities to go far in life and that morality (their version of it) was more important than faith.

God may not play dice with the universe, but Zeus sure would.

Heh they're a sociopath.

I hear Al Qaeda has been recruiting on the internet :D

They have, I applied for the position in Accounts Receivable but, so far, no response.

Fingers crossed

God may not play dice with the universe, but Zeus sure would.Zeus had a brother/sister who was the God of Chance, I'm sure he could have convinced him/her to let him win. ;)

Uhmm.. the Greeks maybe? Greek religious tales were full of stories of men defeating the gods in various ways, proving that if you stuck to your talents you had opportunities to go far in life and that morality (their version of it) was more important than faith.That is true.

Sure there was!

Remember last Thursday, around 11.46pm? Right then.

You may have missed it.No, I was awake. :p

God may not play dice with the universe, but Zeus sure would.

Damn right; and I would be right there with him saying I bet he couldn't get 7 that third time.

Damn right; and I would be right there with him saying I bet he couldn't get 7 that third time.

Son, when you can't see the fool around the table, most likely it's you.

Son, when you can't see the fool around the table, most likely it's you.

I embrace being the fool. Everyone underestimates you that way.

I embrace being the fool. Everyone underestimates you that way.

'Sure son', said Zeus as he rolled another 7...

'Sure son', said Zeus as he rolled another 7...

"And I bet you can't do it the fourth time" said the 'fool' as he handed the god a pair of atheist dice.

Obviously, they are alien life forms. Here is an explanation, which talks about Afghanistan (not Iraq, but the point still applies).

Point of fact, there is no moral equivalency you can draw between the West and most of the world of Islam, because they share precious little with our worldview. The story you posted is just another pitiful example of how different they are.

A FUNDAMENTAL reason why our intelligence agencies, military leaders and (above all) Washington pols can't understand Afghanistan is that they don't recognize that we're dealing with alien life-forms.

Oh, the strange-minded aliens in question resemble us physically. We share a few common needs: We and the aliens are oxygen breathers who require food and water at frequent intervals. Our body casings feel heat or cold. We're divided into two sexes (more or less). And we're mortal.

But that's about where the similarities end, analytically speaking.

In my years as an intelligence officer, I saw colleagues make the same blunder over and over: They rushed to stress the ways in which the Russians, the Chinese or the Iranians were "just like us." It's the differences that kill you, though.

I was an effective intelligence officer. Why? In junior high, I matured past the French Existentialists and started reading science fiction. The prose was often ragged, but the speculative frameworks offered a useful approach to analysis.

Begin with the view that all opponents are aliens from another cultural planet. Build your assessment from a blank slate. What do the alien collectives desire or fear? How do they perceive the galaxy? What are their unique weaknesses?

Regarding Planet Afghanistan, we still hear the deadly cliché that "all human beings want the same basic things, such as better lives and greater opportunities for their children." How does that apply to Afghan aliens who prefer their crude way of life and its merciless cults?

When girls and women are denied education or even health care and are executed by their own kin for minor infractions against the cult, how does that square with our insistence that all men want greater opportunities for the kids?

What about those Afghan parents who approve of or even encourage suicidal attacks by their sons? This not only confounds our value system, but defies biological reason.

So: These humanoid forms with which we must deal don't all want or value the same things we do. They form different social aggregates and exchange goods and services within wildly different parameters (and exhibit hypocritical sexual tastes that diverge from procreative mandates - ask our troops about that).

These alien tribes seek to destroy physical objects and systems valued on Planet America. They perceive time differently. They treat other life forms more harshly than we do. Their own lives are shorter, with different arcs. They quite like our weapons, though . . .

The point isn't to argue that Afghans are inferior beings. It's just that they're irreconcilably different beings - more divergent from our behavioral norms than the weirdest crew member of the starship Enterprise.

As an analytical exercise, try to understand Afghanistan as a hostile planet to which we have been forced, in self-defense, to deploy military colonies. How do the bizarre creatures on that other planet view us? What do they want? What will they accept? Is killing us business, pleasure - or both?

Are there tribes among these aliens with which we can cooperate? Which actions of ours inflame the alien psyche? What will the alien willingly die for? What does the alien find inexplicable about us? Must we preserve a useful climate of fear?

Do we intend to maintain our military colonies out there in deep space? For how long? Can the angry planet ever be sanitized of threats?

Of course, there's more in play than images of our "starship troopers" combating those alien life-forms that call themselves "Taliban." This exercise is just meant to break our mental gridlock, to challenge our crippling assumption that we're all merry brothers and sisters who just have to work through a few small understandings.

This is a "war of the worlds" in the cultural sense, a head-on collision between civilizations from different galaxies.

And the aliens don't come in peace.

"And I bet you can't do it the fourth time" said the 'fool' as he handed the god a pair of atheist dice.

'Stick around kid, I like you', replied Zeus as he rolled another 7

Obviously, they are alien life forms. Here is an explanation, which talks about Afghanistan (not Iraq, but the point still applies).

Point of fact, there is no moral equivalency you can draw between the West and most of the world of Islam, because they share precious little with our worldview. The story you posted is just another pitiful example of how different they are.

Interesting post.
I'd like to comment on this bit :

Regarding Planet Afghanistan, we still hear the deadly cliché that "all human beings want the same basic things, such as better lives and greater opportunities for their children." How does that apply to Afghan aliens who prefer their crude way of life and its merciless cults?

When girls and women are denied education or even health care and are executed by their own kin for minor infractions against the cult, how does that square with our insistence that all men want greater opportunities for the kids?

What about those Afghan parents who approve of or even encourage suicidal attacks by their sons? This not only confounds our value system, but defies biological reason.

This would only confound your value system if you believed that "a better life and opportunities" meant the same thing to Afghanis (or any radicalised Muslim group) as it would to people here.
You have to understand that you are dealing with deeply religious people. In their minds, becoming a martyr in a suicide attempt immediately buys you a prime seat in heaven, while avoiding years of toil and struggle here on earth. If that was your honest, true belief, wouldn't you want that for your kids?
In their minds, allowing girls to be educated or to access health care would mean denying them their eventual place in heaven (whatever that is for Muslim women), and is therefore an unacceptable, even unthinkable thing for a parent to do.

This would only confound your value system if you believed that "a better life and opportunities" meant the same thing to Afghanis (or any radicalised Muslim group) as it would to people here.
You have to understand that you are dealing with deeply religious people. In their minds, becoming a martyr in a suicide attempt immediately buys you a prime seat in heaven, while avoiding years of toil and struggle here on earth. If that was your honest, true belief, wouldn't you want that for your kids?
In their minds, allowing girls to be educated or to access health care would mean denying them their eventual place in heaven (whatever that is for Muslim women), and is therefore an unacceptable, even unthinkable thing for a parent to do.

Wouldn't that tell us that those beliefs and that culture is unacceptable and wrong?

Wouldn't that tell us that those beliefs and that culture is unacceptable and wrong?

Wrong to us.

But to them, we're wrong.

Which is why we can't say there's a moral equivalency. We just don't see the world in the same way at all.

Uhmm.. the Greeks maybe? Greek religious tales were full of stories of men defeating the gods in various ways, proving that if you stuck to your talents you had opportunities to go far in life and that morality (their version of it) was more important than faith.Eh... While the greek gods are occaisonally outsmarted, they do have a habit of hurting you really, really badly for doing so.

The Greek acknowledged that Gods could be - and frequently were - evil, too. But you were strongly discouraged from screwing with them, either way, if you've a working sense of self-preservation.

'Stick around kid, I like you', replied Zeus as he rolled another 7

I may have just lost $10 to Zeus but I know an atheist who now owes me a few hundred thousand because I made a bet with him that Gods have power over atheists.

Never underestimate the fool.

Wouldn't that tell us that those beliefs and that culture is unacceptable and wrong?

Well, looking back on European history, we've had similar moments. My mother had to fight tooth and nails to be allowed to get secondary education. When she went to university, my grandparents disowned her.

Yes, I would say that from a humanitarian perspective, these beliefs are dangerous, but then I'd say that about a lot of religions and beliefs.

The thing about beliefs is, they change. And so does culture. They can change radically from one generation to the next. However, they do have a strong tendency to resists external influences. All you can do really is support people within the culture who try and turn things around.

Obviously, they are alien life forms. Here is an explanation, which talks about Afghanistan (not Iraq, but the point still applies).

Point of fact, there is no moral equivalency you can draw between the West and most of the world of Islam, because they share precious little with our worldview. The story you posted is just another pitiful example of how different they are.

The explanation above seems to be (litteraly) dehumanizing Afghanis, lumping them all together, and suggesting that that no truce or reconciliation between us is possible (with the implication that they or us must be wiped out). I hope I'm wrong in this interpretation (I'll admit I only skimmed the article in question), but what I think I'm reading here sickens me.

Now, their would probably be more validity to his claims if he was reffering to the Taliban specifically, as opposed to all Afghanis.

Eh... While the greek gods are occaisonally outsmarted, they do have a habit of hurting you really, really badly for doing so.

The Greek acknowledged that Gods could be - and frequently were - evil, too. But you were strongly discouraged from screwing with them, either way, if you've a working sense of self-preservation.

Gods are people too, and much like many people a majority of them act like little fussing children. I doesn't change the fact that they held morality higher than the Gods and that the religion was not as oppressive as some beliefs were and are.

The explanation above seems to be (litteraly) dehumanizing Afghanis, lumping them all together, and suggesting that that no truce or reconciliation between us is possible (with the implication that they or us must be wiped out). I hope I'm wrong in this interpretation (I'll admit I only skimmed the article in question), but what I think I'm reading here sickens me.

Now, their would probably be more validity to his claims if he was reffering to the Taliban specifically, as opposed to all Afghanis.

He's a former intelligence officer who knows the area better than anyone here.

It doesn't mean we need to wipe them out - it might mean that we have to leave there forever and never come back.

History in Afghanistan shows that no reconciliation between their way of life and the West is possible.

The explanation above seems to be (litteraly) dehumanizing Afghanis, lumping them all together, and suggesting that that no truce or reconciliation between us is possible (with the implication that they or us must be wiped out). I hope I'm wrong in this interpretation (I'll admit I only skimmed the article in question), but what I think I'm reading here sickens me.

Now, their would probably be more validity to his claims if he was reffering to the Taliban specifically, as opposed to all Afghanis.

It is somewhat about dehumanizing them, but it is not about implying there is no way for us to reconcile our differences. His approach is about how to find out a way to either reconcile with or destroy them; as is needed. Cold hearted indeed but a good way to approach some situations.

It doesn't mean we need to wipe them out - it might mean that we have to leave there forever and never come back.

That's what I was thinking; cut off all contact with the region until they fix themselves.

History in Afghanistan shows that no reconciliation between their way of life and the West is possible.

Until 1945, history also showed the Germans cannot deal with democracy, and need a tyrant to rule them.

Well, looking back on European history, we've had similar moments. My mother had to fight tooth and nails to be allowed to get secondary education. When she went to university, my grandparents disowned her.Huh. I'd have expected her to end up in a Magdalen Asylum straight away.

Seems even the European Taliban slipped up every now and then.

Huh. I'd have expected her to end up in a Magdalen Asylum straight away.

Seems even the European Taliban slipped up every now and then.

Same as the Afghan Taliban do today... nobody's perfect.

Until 1945, history also showed the Germans cannot deal with democracy, and need a tyrant to rule them.

And we had to lay waste to Germany, and occupy it for 50 years to unfuck it.

We obviously don't have the political will to lay waste to Afghanistan, nor do we have the political will to occupy it for 50 years to unfuck it.

We wrote the German and Japanese constitutions. We wrote their textbooks so that we could raise their children with completely new thoughts in their heads.

We're not willing to subjugate a people so utterly anymore.

Until 1945, history also showed the Germans cannot deal with democracy, and need a tyrant to rule them.

That's not true, elections have been held in Germany since the formation of the empire in 1871. And I'd expect that some states held elections before that.

It is somewhat about dehumanizing them, but it is not about implying there is no way for us to reconcile our differences. His approach is about how to find out a way to either reconcile with or destroy them; as is needed. Cold hearted indeed but a good way to approach some situations.

The problem is, Afghanis are not homogenous. Their are people their who actually want their country to not be a theocratic shit hole.

Let's not generalize, and let's not pretend that societies never change.

And you say we should look for a way to "reconcile with or destroy them"? Who do you mean by them? If you refer to the Taliban leaders/fighters, the answer to that is to kill or jail the lot, then work on diplomacy, education, and reconstruction. If, however, you mean Afghanis as a whole, or even just the brainwashed/intimidated Taliban supporters, you are talking about mass murder of civilians at best, or at worst, slaughtering a nationality. In which case I have only one response:

:upyours:

The problem is, Afghanis are not homogenous. Their are people their who actually want their country to not be a theocratic shit hole.

Let's not generalize, and let's not pretend that societies never change.

And you say we should look for a way to "reconcile with or destroy them"? Who do you mean by them? If you refer to the Taliban leaders/fighters, the answer to that is to kill or jail the lot, then work on diplomacy, education, and reconstruction. If, however, you mean Afghanis as a whole, or even just the brainwashed/intimidated Taliban supporters, you are talking about mass murder of civilians at best, or at worst, slaughtering a nationality. In which case I have only one response:

:upyours:

If you pay any attention to my posting history you would never make such a ridiculous statement about me.

I should not have to make a rebuttal other than, you totally misinterpreted me.

And we had to lay waste to Germany, and occupy it for 50 years to unfuck it.

We obviously don't have the political will to lay waste to Afghanistan, nor do we have the political will to occupy it for 50 years to unfuck it.

We wrote the German and Japanese constitutions. We wrote their textbooks so that we could raise their children with completely new thoughts in their heads.

We're not willing to subjugate a people so utterly anymore.

You seem to be having some rather funny misconceptions here.
You never wrote the German constitution. And it was ratified by the German people, not you.
You also never wrote a text book for children.
The occupation only lasted 50 years because you couldn't agree on a deal with the USSR to finally sign the peace treaty.

And if you have a quick look at Afghanistan right now, that country is destroyed to a degree that the allies never even dreamed off for Germany.

I may have just lost $10 to Zeus but I know an atheist who now owes me a few hundred thousand because I made a bet with him that Gods have power over atheists.

Never underestimate the fool.

I'll grant you that...

*waits, then mugs SaintB*

That's not true, elections have been held in Germany since the formation of the empire in 1871. And I'd expect that some states held elections before that.

True, but look at the results. During the Weimar Republic, there was virtually no government that was ever able to rule the country other than with emergency edicts.

You seem to be having some rather funny misconceptions here.
You never wrote the German constitution. And it was ratified by the German people, not you.
You also never wrote a text book for children.
The occupation only lasted 50 years because you couldn't agree on a deal with the USSR to finally sign the peace treaty.

And if you have a quick look at Afghanistan right now, that country is destroyed to a degree that the allies never even dreamed off for Germany.

Germany's basic constitution was authored by the US, and ratified by Germans who had no choice. We had literally bombed the living shit out of the whole country.

We forced Germans to teach their children about the Holocaust. We wrote the first textbooks for that purpose.

We did a great job in pacifying Germany and radically altering their childrens' minds.

If you pay any attention to my posting history you would never make such a ridiculous statement about me.

I should not have to make a rebuttal other than, you totally misinterpreted me.

Glad to here it, and I'm sorry if I overreacted.

However, I cannot be expected to memorize the posting history of everyone on these forums.

True, but look at the results. During the Weimar Republic, there was virtually no government that was ever able to rule the country other than with emergency edicts.

I think that had more to do with the civil war than anything else. Lots of countries had shit during that era.

Germany's basic constitution was authored by the US, and ratified by Germans who had no choice. We had literally bombed the living shit out of the whole country.

We forced Germans to teach their children about the Holocaust. We wrote the first textbooks for that purpose.

We did a great job in pacifying Germany and radically altering their childrens' minds.

And then you realise how badly you'd fucked up, that the Soviets would win if you didn't do a complete about face, and you implemented the Marshall Plan instead of the Morgenthau Plan?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25006101-401,00.html



Are these people NORMAL? Do they have some sort of deficiency or malfunction? Who the fuck DOES THAT?

Apparently, psychopathy is justified when theres abrahamic religions involved. (another eg:inquisition)

And then you realise how badly you'd fucked up, that the Soviets would win if you didn't do a complete about face, and you implemented the Marshall Plan instead of the Morgenthau Plan?

My point is that unlike the post WW II era, no one in the West is willing to do that to another country.

So unless we're willing to occupy, and radically transform (politically and economically) Afghanistan over a 50 year period, we should leave it to the dungheap of history.

And we had to lay waste to Germany, and occupy it for 50 years to unfuck it.More like ten, twenty years. Everything after that, although technically an occupation until the 2+4 treaty, was, for the purpose of keeping Germany stable, unnecessary, and kept more or less exclusively due to cold war issues.We wrote the German and Japanese constitutions. We wrote their textbooks so that we could raise their children with completely new thoughts in their heads.

We're not willing to subjugate a people so utterly anymore.Correction: You're no longer willing to accept the sacrifices associated with the subjugation, be they a few thousand G.I.s or a few billion worth of taxes going into, for all practical intends and purposes, welfare (Not even for americans, but foreigners). Everyone's looking for an easy and cheap way to subjugate/ culturally imperialise - unfortunately, the cheapest way (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud) got killed off quite a while ago, after being starved of money and other forms of support that could've pre-emptively prevented the whole mess for 1 1/2 decades.

Germany's basic constitution was authored by the US, and ratified by Germans who had no choice. We had literally bombed the living shit out of the whole country.

We forced Germans to teach their children about the Holocaust. We wrote the first textbooks for that purpose.

We did a great job in pacifying Germany and radically altering their childrens' minds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundgesetz#Drafting_process
It was approved by the 3 occupying powers, but ultimately ratified by the German people AFTER the approval. They did have every choice not to approve if they had wanted to.

My point is that unlike the post WW II era, no one in the West is willing to do that to another country.

So unless we're willing to occupy, and radically transform (politically and economically) Afghanistan over a 50 year period, we should leave it to the dungheap of history.

Except, not. You only changed your minds because Europe needed a strong Germany to cope and the Soviets would gain ground if Germans turned to communism. Basically, you fucked up big time, and the only reason American came out of that occupation with a shred of credibility is because you realised that countering the Soviets was more important than killing German civilians out of desire for vengeance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundgesetz#Drafting_process
It was approved by the 3 occupying powers, but ultimately ratified by the German people AFTER the approval. They did have every choice not to approve if they had wanted to.

Um, yeah, with a half million troops occupying Germany...

Except, not. You only changed your minds because Europe needed a strong Germany to cope and the Soviets would gain ground if Germans turned to communism. Basically, you fucked up big time, and the only reason American came out of that occupation with a shred of credibility is because you realised that countering the Soviets was more important than killing German civilians out of desire for vengeance.

Obviously, we didn't fuck up with Germany.

Obviously, no one (not even NATO members now) are willing to really change Afghanistan. They're all looking for excuses to go home right now.

Um, yeah, with a half million troops occupying Germany...

So the Iraqi and Afghan elections were illegitimate...

Obviously, we didn't fuck up with Germany.

Yeah, you did. It was called the Morgenthau Plan, look it up.

Yeah, you did. It was called the Morgenthau Plan, look it up.

You're saying that Germany is all fucked up now?

So the Iraqi and Afghan elections were illegitimate...

Only if you believe that forcing a country to change is wrong.

You're the classic example of someone who believes that they should be free to choose their 9th Century lifestyle, morality, and worldview, and that any attempt by us to alter that is wrong.

Glad to here it, and I'm sorry if I overreacted.

However, I cannot be expected to memorize the posting history of everyone on these forums.

Nobody expects you to memorize the posts, but its always smart to familiarize yourself with the basic viewpoints people have; mine is almost universally opposed to genocides, rapes, and humanities general violence.

Nobody expects you to memorize the posts, but its always smart to familiarize yourself with the basic viewpoints people have; mine is almost universally opposed to genocides, rapes, and humanities general violence.

And their are how many posters in NSG?

Just out of curiosity, can you name my positions on any given issue?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25006101-401,00.html



Are these people NORMAL? Do they have some sort of deficiency or malfunction? Who the fuck DOES THAT?

If you're going to do a Full Metal Jacket quote do it right!

"WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION NUMB NUTS?!"

As to the news, Wow...that's just insane....I can't really comment on the level of insanity that is on.

By the way, CNN had it as unconfirmed that she planned the rapes.

And their are how many posters in NSG?

Just out of curiosity, can you name my positions on any given issue?

You're against genocide in The Middle East.;)

Only if (.....) wrong.

I actually never touched on the right or wrongs of it. You intimated that the German endorsement was illigetimate given the presence of occupying troops. Therefore, the same must follow for the more recent examples.

As to the news, Wow...that's just insane....I can't really comment on the level of insanity that is on.

Why insane ?
1. Lady needs suicide bombers to enforce her ideology.
2. One can convince other ladies to become suicide bombers if they believe their (family) honour needs serous redeeming
3. Rape is considered to be dishonourable. Admittedly this is very illogical; but that is not the problem of our suicide teacher.
4. From 2 and 3 it follows that having women raped will solve 1.

All it requires is thinking your goals, needs and/or beliefs are far more important than the wishes of the others involved. That is a very easy thing to think.

3. Rape is considered to be dishonourable. Admittedly this is very illogical; but that is not the problem of our suicide teacher.Not that illogical. "Well, with that short a skirt, she was just asking for it!" was, and still is, a phrase perfectly common in regions other than the middle east, and not limited to men.

Well, okay. It's still illogical. But it's nonetheless a trail of thought that's common virtually everywhere.

I think the big mistake is "the ends justify the means". The ends do not always justify the means we saw similar stuff in the witch trials, the inquisition, the crusades etc. They start out with the right idea which is for religious people to bring people to God. Great somewhere along the line they lost sight of what they were trying to do which voluntarily bring them to God. Not in pieces in a handbag.

Why insane ?
1. Lady needs suicide bombers to enforce her ideology.
2. One can convince other ladies to become suicide bombers if they believe their (family) honour needs serous redeeming
3. Rape is considered to be dishonourable. Admittedly this is very illogical; but that is not the problem of our suicide teacher.
4. From 2 and 3 it follows that having women raped will solve 1.

All it requires is thinking your goals, needs and/or beliefs are far more important than the wishes of the others involved. That is a very easy thing to think.

It's insane because of the sheer emotional manipulation it takes. Hell I thought the people I knew were manipulative. However, at least they never orchestrated someone to be raped just so that they can do....stuff like this.

Um, yeah, with a half million troops occupying Germany...

Yes, I'm sure you had some in every election booth, pointing a gun at the voter's heads to make sure they did the right thing. :rolleyes:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25006101-401,00.html



Are these people NORMAL? Do they have some sort of deficiency or malfunction? Who the fuck DOES THAT?

That's it we need to stay in Iraq for the next 50 years repeal the status of forces agreement. Have black water change its name so they can work there again.

Not that illogical. "Well, with that short a skirt, she was just asking for it!" was, and still is, a phrase perfectly common in regions other than the middle east, and not limited to men.

Well, okay. It's still illogical. But it's nonetheless a trail of thought that's common virtually everywhere.

Tell me you don't agree with that phrase.