NationStates Jolt Archive

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/daschle_taxes

There you have it, people: A President who admits when he makes mistakes. I can think of few things more refreshing!

What is this absurdity? Personal responsibility? WHERE IS THE CHANGE OBAMA?


Oh...right...there it is.

What is this absurdity? Personal responsibility? WHERE IS THE CHANGE OBAMA?


Oh...right...there it is.

Which used this line first, you or Neo?

Also...

What the fuck is "Fort Sumter"?

What the fuck is "Fort Sumter"?

I want to have a sig that constantly mocks NM's call for seccession after Obama's election.

I want to have a sig that constantly mocks NM's call for seccession after Obama's election.

Call for SECESSION? NM got to THIS point?

Surely you jest!

Call for SECESSION?

Surely you jest!

You dont remember this? His exact words were "To all the Red States: Fort Sumter".

Fort Sumter was the first battle of the American Civil War. Confederate troops attacked and captured it, starting the war.

Wow, that's pretty good of him actually.

You dont remember this? His exact words were "To all the Red States: Fort Sumter".

Fort Sumter was the first battle of the American Civil War. Confederate troops attacked and captured it, starting the war.

I think I was in NY at the time.

Edit: Splendid city. And Dr Pepper tastes GREAT! :D

Wow, that's pretty good of him actually.

Yeppers.

You dont remember this? His exact words were "To all the Red States: Fort Sumter".

Fort Sumter was the first battle of the American Civil War. Confederate troops attacked and captured it, starting the war.

Red States? I see now, NM is a closet Communist! :p Yeah, I know red state=Republican

You dont remember this? His exact words were "To all the Red States: Fort Sumter".What, because the "Dark Lord" won? :rolleyes:

What, because the "Dark Lord" won? :rolleyes:

You know, I don't think many people would give a damn right now if certain states left the union...

What, because the "Dark Lord" won? :rolleyes:
Yes. And now that Obama has owned up to his own error in vetting Tom Daschle, I'm waiting for NM to come roaring in claiming this is proof that Obama is not competent.

I, for one, am happy to see a president admit his mistakes, especially when they are obvious. It shows he's not completely insane.

Red States? I see now, NM is a closet Communist! :p Yeah, I know red state=Republican

He, lyk, totez is. OMG!

Maybe I'm a little out of it, but who the hell is NM?

...Gasp, a politician admitting a mistake of thier own will; pigs must be flying.

You know, I don't think many people would give a damn right now if certain states left the union...

I wouldn't mind if California, Ohio, Florida, and both Carolinas seceded. The latter three because I just don't like their names.:D

I take responsibility for this mistake

:eek2:B-But... But... He can't do that!! Can he? I mean, He's the president! That means he cannot apologize before three years later! Isn't... Isn't that it? I thought... With Bush... Responsibility? Accountability?? But... He... I just don't... Whaaaaaa? :eek:

Maybe I'm a little out of it, but who the hell is NM?

...Gasp, a politician admitting a mistake of thier own will; pigs must be flying.

I believe I just saw Clinton circling above the city.

You know, I don't think many people would give a damn right now if certain states left the union...Which ones?

Yes. And now that Obama has owned up to his own error in vetting Tom Daschle, I'm waiting for NM to come roaring in claiming this is proof that Obama is not competent.This'll be funny.

:eek2:B-But... But... He can't do that!! Can he? I mean, He's the president! That means he cannot apologize before three years later! Isn't... Isn't that it? I thought... With Bush... Responsibility? Accountability?? But... He... I just don't... Whaaaaaa? :eek:



My brain hurts too.

Which ones?

Not telling. I know my boundaries.

Not telling. I know my boundaries.Fair enough.

Not telling. I know my boundaries.

Boring :tongue:

Maybe I'm a little out of it, but who the hell is NM?


New Mitanni, some drugged up crazy who claims Obama is a giant flaming eye and the embodiment of evil, that anyone who's not a radical republican is a fairy tale type orc, and that only radical republicans are humans.

Which ones?

I thought we discussed which states last year.

New Mitanni, some drugged up crazy who claims Obama is a giant flaming eye and the embodiment of evil, that anyone who's not a radical republican is a fairy tale type orc, and that only radical republicans are humans.

Thanks; I guess I've just been lucky not to have crossed paths.

New Mitanni, some drugged up crazy who claims Obama is a giant flaming eye and the embodiment of evil, that anyone who's not a radical republican is a fairy tale type orc, and that only radical republicans are humans.

Whereas Limbaugh is an elf.

uh.... so, let me get this straight... he personally either okayed these people already knowing they owed back taxes, or he has people on whom he relies telling him they're "ok" after not finding out about these huge discrepancies... and/or, he offers these positions to people who have so little personal integrity that they would take these extremely influential positions despite their illegal activity in not having paid their taxes...

that he accepts "responsibility" for this only says to me "Yes, I admit I am a total nit."

Whereas Limbaugh is an elf.
That makes me wish I had photoshop. :D

Whereas Limbaugh is an elf.

HA!!! He's not skinny enough - did you see those elves??? All tall and slender???

uh.... so, let me get this straight... he personally either okayed these people already knowing they owed back taxes, or he has people on whom he relies telling him they're "ok" after not finding out about these huge discrepancies... and/or, he offers these positions to people who have so little personal integrity that they would take these extremely influential positions despite their illegal activity in not having paid their taxes...

that he accepts "responsibility" for this only says to me "Yes, I admit I am a total nit."

Reagan was lauded for accepting responsibility for Iran Contra. And that involved selling terrorists guns.

Really now...

That makes me wish I had photoshop. :D

I'm an Elf player in D&D. Unless you want to actively PUNISH me for the more aggressive posts, please don't, I already apologized. :tongue:

Reagan was lauded for accepting responsibility for Iran Contra. And that involved selling terrorists guns.

Really now...
Good point. Bush is the only president I can think of who had this bizarre obsession with never admitting he was wrong about anything or that anything wasn't going perfectly, yet somehow people seem to think that's the normal pattern.

Reagan was lauded for accepting responsibility for Iran Contra. And that involved selling terrorists guns.

Really now...

Now now, KoL, I thought you'd been told, don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Limbaugh has always reminded me of the trolls from Divid the Gnome.

I'm an Elf player in D&D. Unless you want to actively PUNISH me for the more aggressive posts, please don't, I already apologized. :tongue:
Oh, I so would. You're so lucky I don't have a way to do it easily and am too lazy to do it the less easy way.

NM? Sounds like another character I know, heard of HotWife?

Reagan was lauded for accepting responsibility for Iran Contra. And that involved selling terrorists guns.

Really now...

I'm a conservative - but I am not a Reagan conservative. I don't think all that much of him, so I'd say the same thing about him.;)

Chaaaaaaaange.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/daschle_taxes

There you have it, people: A President who admits when he makes mistakes. I can think of few things more refreshing!

Wtf?

I thought that was unconstitutional. :confused:

...and/or, he offers these positions to people who have so little personal integrity that they would take these extremely influential positions despite their illegal activity in not having paid their taxes...


How 'illegal' is it?

I mean - what are we actually talking about here. If you 'plan to pay', even if you didn't pay on time or even file on time... aren't you basically just increasing the amount you'll owe through the addition of interest?

NM? Sounds like another character I know, heard of HotWife?

HotWife is sane. He's a Conservative in the worst sense, he can be a bit hypocritical at times, he blames too much on the left here in the US, but he's sane. We all have our faults, but NM is just a troll. Don't confuse the two.

How 'illegal' is it?

I mean - what are we actually talking about here. If you 'plan to pay', even if you didn't pay on time or even file on time... aren't you basically just increasing the amount you'll owe through the addition of interest?
It's arguably not as illegal as Iran-Contra or invading Iraq, but it's still illegal to just forget to pay your taxes until you rack up $128K owed.

What I want to know is when is the IRS going to get investigated for letting a Congresscritter get away with that shit.

How 'illegal' is it?

I mean - what are we actually talking about here. If you 'plan to pay', even if you didn't pay on time or even file on time... aren't you basically just increasing the amount you'll owe through the addition of interest?

how "illegal" is it??? People are arrested when they fail to pay their taxes, dude!! How long does the process take? I don't know - but I know at least one of those people was told that he owed back taxes at least 2 years ago - how much longer would it have been if he didn't pay, before he'd be arrested (given that he is a Dem and a "public servant," my guess is 'not until he left office')

So - yeah - these people broke the law. They just hadn't been arrested yet- but they could have been, cuz hello! they broke the law.

You know, I don't think many people would give a damn right now if certain states left the union...

I'd be very happy if some of them did. Especially my own, and not because of Obama, who I rather like

Also, isn't the President supposed to be "The Decider" and thus beyond the mistakes of mere mortals like you and I?

It's arguably not as illegal as Iran-Contra or invading Iraq, but it's still illegal to just forget to pay your taxes until you rack up $128K owed.

What I want to know is when is the IRS going to get investigated for letting a Congresscritter get away with that shit.

actually, by definition, a government's international policy isn't "illegal" - so, invading Iraq isn't "illegal", cuz their is no law established in our constitution that says they can't.

however, there ARE laws on the books, today, and for a long time, that say not paying your taxes is punishable by law; meaning - illegal.

actually, by definition, a government's international policy isn't "illegal" - so, invading Iraq isn't "illegal", cuz their is no law established in our constitution that says they can't.

however, there ARE laws on the books, today, and for a long time, that say not paying your taxes is punishable by law; meaning - illegal.
Do the world a favor and don't even go down that road. There are threads for that kind of thing (I mean you getting proved laughably yet tragically wrong) but this is not one of them.

actually, by definition, a government's international policy isn't "illegal" - so, invading Iraq isn't "illegal", cuz their is no law established in our constitution that says they can't.

however, there ARE laws on the books, today, and for a long time, that say not paying your taxes is punishable by law; meaning - illegal.

You're not from around Holland, are you?

how "illegal" is it??? People are arrested when they fail to pay their taxes, dude!! How long does the process take? I don't know - but I know at least one of those people was told that he owed back taxes at least 2 years ago - how much longer would it have been if he didn't pay, before he'd be arrested (given that he is a Dem and a "public servant," my guess is 'not until he left office')

So - yeah - these people broke the law. They just hadn't been arrested yet- but they could have been, cuz hello! they broke the law.

I've never been arrested. So - I'm openly admitting I don't know the law on it.

I know there are always ads on tv talking about how you can get your outstanding IRS debts reduced, so I assume there are a lot of people who owe back taxes... enough to make it a full-flourishing and (apparently) competetive moneymaker industry... so... how illegal is it?

Do you get arrested for being a year late? A month?

Do you not get arrested if you just keep on racking it up, but keep saying 'yeah, yeah, I'll pay!'...?

Do the world a favor and don't even go down that road. There are threads for that kind of thing (I mean you getting proved laughably yet tragically wrong) but this is not one of them.

no, not from holland - oddly though, not far from it (I live in Michigan, and there is a Holland, Michigan... never mind)

but - what, are you telling me that you know of a set of laws or language on our constitution that makes it illegal for the president to make and act on foreign policy??? That's news to me!

I've never been arrested. So - I'm openly admitting I don't know the law on it.

I know there are always ads on tv talking about how you can get your outstanding IRS debts reduced, so I assume there are a lot of people who owe back taxes... enough to make it a full-flourishing and (apparently) competetive moneymaker industry... so... how illegal is it?

Do you get arrested for being a year late? A month?

Do you not get arrested if you just keep on racking it up, but keep saying 'yeah, yeah, I'll pay!'...?

I don't know the law re: it either -- but I know that someone who does it long enough and finally gets called on the carpet will, in fact, go to jail eventually.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/daschle_taxes

There you have it, people: A President who admits when he makes mistakes. I can think of few things more refreshing!

not new.

but still refreshing.

no, not from holland - oddly though, not far from it (I live in Michigan, and there is a Holland, Michigan... never mind)

That's precisely the Holland I was referring to, being from Mount Pleasant myself. Given your name and what I've seen of your political opinions I guessed you were from that area.

I don't believe you get arrested, you get your assets attached until they get their dough. You're not paying them shit in prison. I squatted in some crazy libertarian's house who had refused to pay taxes on some weird interpretation of something saying he didn't have to, he wasn't arrested, his shit was seized. They just want your dough, jail is going to cost money, not retrieve it.

Plus, they don't catch this shit unless they audit you and they really only audit a handful of people. It either takes a lot of fucking up (and missing a single item no matter how large it is in comparison to what you and I pay apparently isn't enough) or a random audit to catch it.

I am beginning to think that there's a pretty good percentage of people who just fuck up on their taxes. Since I've started freelancing it's been a giant confusing pain in the ass for me.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/daschle_taxes

There you have it, people: A President who admits when he makes mistakes. I can think of few things more refreshing!

I could have told him about Daschel.

I could have told him about Daschel.

You live.

You live.

Yep. Me still alive and well and kicking.

I don't believe you get arrested, you get your assets attached until they get their dough. You're not paying them shit in prison. I squatted in some crazy libertarian's house who had refused to pay taxes on some weird interpretation of something saying he didn't have to, he wasn't arrested, his shit was seized. They just want your dough, jail is going to cost money, not retrieve it.

Plus, they don't catch this shit unless they audit you and they really only audit a handful of people. It either takes a lot of fucking up (and missing a single item no matter how large it is in comparison to what you and I pay apparently isn't enough) or a random audit to catch it.

I am beginning to think that there's a pretty good percentage of people who just fuck up on their taxes. Since I've started freelancing it's been a giant confusing pain in the ass for me.

Looking at the Daschle thing - it's tax on one thing, isn't it? He didn't pay tax on a car and driver? Something like that?

Which means he filed... paid... and got one oversight pointed out?

I think Daschle got stung, if I'm reading it all right. There's no evidence of deliberate wrongdoing, and he's what... ex-military? Not an accountant, anyway... so - I'm guessing he probably relies on his taxes being prepared for him.

I could have told him about Daschel.

Yeah.

Because you know all about Daschle.

Except how to spell his name.

Yeah.

Because you know all about Daschle.

Except how to spell his name.

Still going on about spelling huh? Well at least some things have not changed here.

I think Daschle got stung, if I'm reading it all right. There's no evidence of deliberate wrongdoing, and he's what... ex-military? Not an accountant, anyway... so - I'm guessing he probably relies on his taxes being prepared for him.

Well, one problem is that you do sign off on your taxes that they're accurate to the best of your knowledge; while it's highly unlikely he committed intentional perjury, I do have a feeling his accountants are going to be punished for making such an egregious error. He will have to pay a significant amount back, no doubt, although it does make me wonder about the caliber of Congressional tax preparation services...

Still going on about spelling huh? Well at least some things have not changed here.

Couldn't actually address the point I made, huh?

Some things have not changed here.

Well, one problem is that you do sign off on your taxes that they're accurate to the best of your knowledge; while it's highly unlikely he committed intentional perjury, I do have a feeling his accountants are going to be punished for making such an egregious error. He will have to pay a significant amount back, no doubt, although it does make me wonder about the caliber of Congressional tax preparation services...

I noticed that one of the tax prep places (H&R maybe?) makes a specific point about 'standing by' you if you get audited. Makes me think it's epidemic.

Well, one problem is that you do sign off on your taxes that they're accurate to the best of your knowledge; while it's highly unlikely he committed intentional perjury, I do have a feeling his accountants are going to be punished for making such an egregious error. He will have to pay a significant amount back, no doubt, although it does make me wonder about the caliber of Congressional tax preparation services...

Well if there is one thing we all can agree on, is that if there's a loophole to be found in the tax code, the Congressional tax prep people will find it. LOL

Couldn't actually address the point I made, huh?

Some things have not changed here.

Considering you did not make a point, there was nothing to address.

Considering you did not make a point, there was nothing to address.

His point was if you can't spell the guy's name its unlikely you know anything about him. I don't care either way.

You guys just spoil for fights don't you? Go to a bar or something.

Actually we don't but difference of opinion tends to make things heated around here. Normally I try to keep thing free from it but certain people here make me want to go postal more often than not.

Considering you did not make a point, there was nothing to address.

You said you "could have told him about Daschel" - that's an exact quote.

So - you obviously believe you have some inside knowledge, something worthy... and yet you can't even spell the guy's name right.

I think you're opening gambit was hollow.

His point was if you can't spell the guy's name its unlikely you know anything about him.

This ^^

I wouldn't mind if California, Ohio, Florida, and both Carolinas seceded. The latter three because I just don't like their names.:D

I wouldn't either; we'd be golden without the other 49 states dragging us down. :p

I wouldn't either; we'd be golden without the other 49 states dragging us down. :p

Actually, there's probably more than a bit of truth to that...

You said you "could have told him about Daschel" - that's an exact quote.

So - you obviously believe you have some inside knowledge, something worthy... and yet you can't even spell the guy's name right.

I think you're opening gambit was hollow.
Your misuse of grammar makes me think that you know nothing about opening gambits. :p

I wouldn't either; we'd be golden without the other 49 states dragging us down. :p

hey, yeah, how's that budget working out for you?

hey, yeah, how's that budget working out for you?

They'd probably be doing better with that if they weren't an overall donor state to the Federal budget.

hey, yeah, how's that budget working out for you?

HAHAHA!!! Considering they are putting off what? Nearly $4 BILLION of bills? OUCH!!

I don't believe you get arrested, you get your assets attached until they get their dough. You're not paying them shit in prison. I squatted in some crazy libertarian's house who had refused to pay taxes on some weird interpretation of something saying he didn't have to, he wasn't arrested, his shit was seized. They just want your dough, jail is going to cost money, not retrieve it.

There's a guy in my family like that. :( He was the one who kept all his money in gold, before his son stole it (and ended up in Colorado in a stolen car with a dead body in the trunk, easily the randomest story in family history).

I wouldn't either; we'd be golden without the other 49 states dragging us down. :p

To quote the Get Smart movie...

Still. It's too bad about all the movie stars.
Yes. What will we do without their razor-sharp political advice?
:D

They'd probably be doing better with that if they weren't an overall donor state to the Federal budget.

Yeah! This, Neo! Stop making us pay for your fancy gay weddings and shit.

Also, I blame the fundamentalists for changing our constitution and thus cutting off the sweet cash flow we had from gay tourists.

I also blame L.A., but to be fair, I blame L.A. for everything.

Yeah! This, Neo! Stop making us pay for your fancy gay weddings and shit.

hey, they are constitutionally protected and they are fabulous!

Your misuse of grammar makes me think that you know nothing about opening gambits. :p

Asked for that, right?

:)

I changed my last line halfway through. "You're blowing smoke" became "your opening gambit.." Well, most of it did. :D

Yeah! This, Neo! Stop making us pay for your fancy gay weddings and shit.

Also, I blame the fundamentalists for changing our constitution and thus cutting off the sweet cash flow we had from gay tourists.

I also blame L.A., but to be fair, I blame L.A. for everything.

Free the bear!

Apparently in 2003 (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-14449556.html) you guys lost 50 billion to Uncle Sam. That's a lot of money. Of course, it doesn't help that your government is severely fucked up, and if my state had a government like that (you have a strong private sector, ours consists of GM, Ford and Chrysler) we'd be all Mad Max within six weeks.

Free the bear!

Apparently in 2003 (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-14449556.html) you guys lost 50 billion to Uncle Sam. That's a lot of money. Of course, it doesn't help that your government is severely fucked up, and if my state had a government like that (you have a strong private sector, ours consists of GM, Ford and Chrysler) we'd be all Mad Max within six weeks.

What's wrong with that? The methane powered automobile industry would take off. As would the makers of leather clothing of any kind.

What's wrong with that? The methane powered automobile industry would take off. As would the makers of leather clothing of any kind.

Actually, that would probably be pretty awesome.

I also blame L.A., but to be fair, I blame L.A. for everything.
Are you saying there are people who don't blame LA for everything?:confused:
Asked for that, right?

Yep.:D

:)

I changed my last line halfway through. "You're blowing smoke" became "your opening gambit.." Well, most of it did. :D
I think I know your deepest darkest secret... You're actually a high-ranking Russian Official who doesn't speak a word of English and relies on a drugged up translator to get you through NSG day from day! :eek2:

Are you saying there are people who don't blame LA for everything?:confused:

I blame Ohio for everything.

Are you saying there are people who don't blame LA for everything?:confused:

I was told that the People in LA blame SF.

no, not from holland - oddly though, not far from it (I live in Michigan, and there is a Holland, Michigan... never mind)

but - what, are you telling me that you know of a set of laws or language on our constitution that makes it illegal for the president to make and act on foreign policy??? That's news to me!
You quoted the wrong person.

I blame Ohio for everything.

I was told that the People in LA blame SF.
:eek2:
My world has been shattered! :(

I think I know your deepest darkest secret... You're actually a high-ranking Russian Official who doesn't speak a word of English and relies on a drugged up translator to get you through NSG day from day! :eek2:

Nyet! Not!

Seriously... look at my postcount... do you realise what the drug bill would be like to constantly maintain a drugged translator? :)

Nyet! Not!

Seriously... look at my postcount... do you realise what the drug bill would be like to constantly maintain a drugged translator? :)

He's from back in the 70's. He still thinks he's in Soviet Russia. And, as we all know, in Soviet Russia, drugs smoke you. And if the drugs are smoking you, they're obviously paying for it. So you're actually making money off of him.:wink:

Either that, or Russia is secretly still the Soviet Union, and has faked it's own dissolution! /conspiracy

I thought we discussed which states last year. I might not have been here. *points to join date*

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/daschle_taxes

There you have it, people: A President who admits when he makes mistakes. I can think of few things more refreshing!
Yes, I am really glad he didn't stand on a warship carrier and say "I'm right."

on the bright side this eliminates any chance of an extreme health care make over occurring for the next 4 years.

on the bright side this eliminates any chance of an extreme health care make over occurring for the next 4 years.

hows that a bright side? The states could use a health care makeover

hows that a bright side? The states could use a health care makeover

And how much money is that going to cost? If there is going to be a makeover, it has to be done responsibily at the moment.

You dont remember this? His exact words were "To all the Red States: Fort Sumter".

Fort Sumter was the first battle of the American Civil War. Confederate troops attacked and captured it, starting the war.

Dont worry, some of us still remember how it went for us...We just like the flags, lol....

Still, that is pretty nice...One hopes however they check out whether future candidates have paid the their taxes...

And how much money is that going to cost? If there is going to be a makeover, it has to be done responsibily at the moment.

How much will it cost to not?

In these times, doing extreme things is not going to help the economy at all. We are already wasting hundreds of billions on bailouts that will only prolong the economic situation. We do not have the money at all for any extreme makeovers.

So much for being fiscally responsible.

And how much money is that going to cost? If there is going to be a makeover, it has to be done responsibily at the moment.

you realize, I hope, that we spend more per capita on health care than most nations with universal insurance, yes?

Thank you for that trivial tidbit! :rolleyes:

Thank you for that trivial tidbit! :rolleyes:

I see you forgot your argument already.

Ah well, par for the course really.

hows that a bright side? The states could use a health care makeover

Yes but not a Rushed done in with in first 100 days in office type plan.
He should put forth all his details then stand for re election.

He's from back in the 70's. He still thinks he's in Soviet Russia. And, as we all know, in Soviet Russia, drugs smoke you. And if the drugs are smoking you, they're obviously paying for it. So you're actually making money off of him.:wink:

Either that, or Russia is secretly still the Soviet Union, and has faked it's own dissolution! /conspiracy

*these are not the droids you're looking for*

Yes but not a Rushed done in with in first 100 days in office type plan.
He should put forth all his details then stand for re election.

Yeah. Luckily, no one will get sick or die in the intervening four years.

I see you forgot your argument already.

Ah well, par for the course really.

Actually I haven't. But thanks for thinking that way. Now can we at least try to be civil instead of throwing barbs at one another?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/daschle_taxes

There you have it, people: A President who admits when he makes mistakes. I can think of few things more refreshing!
John McCain openly admitted screwing up on David Letterman's show before the elections. Ergo is the best man ever.

*these are not the droids you're looking for*

In Soviet Russia, droids look for you!

Yeah. Luckily, no one will get sick or die in the intervening four years.

and If the plan is put in place improperly no one will die in the next 50 years.

Not to mention the loss of jobs from the insurance industry.

If we want this then do it, but if we are going to have the federal government subsume a large chunk of the private sector we need to have the issue debated and voted on by the people, and us lacking a referendum system the only way to do that is have those officials stand for election again after presenting the plan in full.

I agree with greed and death.

I agree with greed and death.

the only plan i could see acceptable with out election is to have the government pay the insurance companies X amount of money to cover people who make below Y income for Z dependents.
because it wouldn't destroy an industry.

*these are not the droids you're looking for*

In Soviet Russia, droids look for you!

Beat me to it.:(

and If the plan is put in place improperly no one will die in the next 50 years.

Not to mention the loss of jobs from the insurance industry.

If we want this then do it, but if we are going to have the federal government subsume a large chunk of the private sector we need to have the issue debated and voted on by the people, and us lacking a referendum system the only way to do that is have those officials stand for election again after presenting the plan in full.

You're obviously mistaking me for someone who cares what the knock-on effects would be on the insurance industry.

If I could cast a vote for something that would mean everyone gets healthcare, regardless of race, class and income, and the only real cost is to an entirely predatory interest? You better believe I'm voting yes.

Not to mention the loss of jobs from the insurance industry.
I have to agree with GnI here. "Jobs" are only a good thing if they produce something of value. It would be more beneficial to society if we paid all the people who work at insurance companies pure welfare payments, the same amounts as their current salaries, just to sit at home and watch TV: that would be less destructive than having them work their current jobs, which are counter-productive; effectively we are presently paying them to throw bricks through windows.

Who defends the insurance industry?

Whereas Limbaugh is an elf.

This is too funny. :)

In Soviet Russia, droids look for you!

...then what happens to Soviet droids, in me?

Never mind - answered my own question. They're looking for Russia....

I have to agree with GnI here. "Jobs" are only a good thing if they produce something of value. It would be more beneficial to society if we paid all the people who work at insurance companies pure welfare payments, the same amounts as their current salaries, just to sit at home and watch TV: that would be less destructive than having them work their current jobs, which are counter-productive; effectively we are presently paying them to throw bricks through windows.

The whole concept of the medical insurance industry is insane... you have to HOPE you DIE to 'win'? It's a stage introduced in between the client and the industry that prevents service.

Life Insurance is a euphemism for Death Lottery.

Bush gave tax cuts, while Obama just gives away money to the rich. It should trouble democrats that their agent of change is keeping the exact same stimulus ideas of Bush.

The House of Representatives controls the purse strings of the nation. Why do people keep putting everything on Obama?

Which is funny when one thinks about deepcreekXC

The House of Representatives controls the purse strings of the nation. Why do people keep putting everything on Obama?

From where I'm standing, it seems that for every 1 person who "worships Obama" and sees him as a "Messiah," there are about 5 people who say a prayer to ward off evil at the mention of His name and attribute godly powers to him.

I would say it's mostly a case of people who think the president is The Decider, regardless of who is in office. Is our children learning? Yes. They learned the Fuhrer Principle.

for every 1 person who "worships Obama" and sees him as a "Messiah,"
Actually last night he only managed to reach "Wizard FDR" status.

Still higher than Gandalf though...

There you have it, people: A President who admits when he makes mistakes. I can think of few things more refreshing!

A President who does not make mistakes? Considering the number of persons who could be Presidents, the few who actually are should be god damned superb.

A President who does not make mistakes?

Where are we going to get these infallible presidents? We've still only got a pool of mortal candidates, right? That's not changed.

Where's the change I was promised, dammit!

Where are we going to get these infallible presidents? We've still only got a pool of mortal candidates, right? That's not changed.

Where's the change I was promised, dammit!

There's nothing unreasonable about wanting an infallible and perhaps omnipotent president.

Look at GW Bush, who never admitted to making any mistakes. Why? Because he didn't make any!

There's nothing unreasonable about wanting an infallible and perhaps omnipotent president.

Look at GW Bush, who never admitted to making any mistakes. Why? Because he didn't make any!

He did, at least, have some regrets, bless his little cotton socks.

He 'regrets' Iraq not having WMD's.

Is our children learning? Yes. They learned the Fuhrer Principle.

Oh sigged.

He did, at least, have some regrets, bless his little cotton socks.

He 'regrets' Iraq not having WMD's.

Too bad he didn't regret cherry-picking or outright doctoring intelligence or getting 4000+ Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis killed.

There you have it, people: A President who admits when he makes mistakes. I can think of few things more refreshing!

53% of US voters in November 2008: "We screwed up."

I can think of few things more refreshing!

53% of US voters in November 2008: "We screwed up."


You missed 2000, and 2004...

I want to have a sig that constantly mocks NM's call for seccession after Obama's election.

Little boy, you have my permission to do so. :p

Secession is already occurring, at least on a local scale. A lot of people are already cutting off Obammunists from any connection with their lives. And as I've mentioned before, it's a great dating filter.

Which used this line first, you or Neo?

Also...

What the fuck is "Fort Sumter"?

Hey H, there's a new invention out there. It's called "Google." ;)

Secession is already occurring

IT IS? Goodness, that's news, let me turn on th-

, at least on a local scale. A lot of people are already cutting off Obammunists from any connection with their lives. And as I've mentioned before, it's a great dating filter.

oh, nevermind. It's you being ridiculous as usual.

And as I've mentioned before, it's a great dating filter.
Yeah if you're not looking to get laid. These are the same ladies who are "waiting for marriage". Supporting Obama has all the perks.

53% of US voters in November 2008: "We screwed up."

I can think of few things more refreshing!

Thats basically what happened. And Obama won.

Secession is already occurring, at least on a local scale. A lot of people are already cutting off Obammunists from any connection with their lives.

So a few rednecks and Klansmen are just ignoring everyone who was pro-Obama? Oh the horror!

And as I've mentioned before, it's a great dating filter.

Im sure all those women out there really dissappointed:rolleyes:

Little boy, you have my permission to do so. :p

Secession is already occurring, at least on a local scale. A lot of people are already cutting off Obammunists from any connection with their lives. And as I've mentioned before, it's a great dating filter.

um...secession isn't occuring buddy. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Hey H, there's a new invention out there. It's called "Google." ;)

As it happens, I needed the whole context of your newest bout of self-humiliation, which KoL kindly provided, and which Google wouldn't.

You missed 2000, and 2004...

Yep, you're right.

Algore voters, 2000: "We screwed up."

Lurch voters, 2004: "We screwed up."

Little boy, you have my permission to do so. :p

He doesn't need it.

Secession is already occurring, at least on a local scale. A lot of people are already cutting off Obammunists from any connection with their lives. And as I've mentioned before, it's a great dating filter.

Yeah. Morons shunning people who voted for the other guy. THAT'S what secession is all about, innit? Nothing lesser, like, say, a CIVIL WAR or something. No, secession is all about morons shunning people who voted for the other guy.

Oh, AND crafting cute little nicknames, like "Obammunist" or something to that effect. That's SERIOUS BUSINESS, none of the lesser stuff, like cannons.

Oh, AND reducing even more your chances of getting laid by only dating people who agree with you. That's SERIOUS BUSINESS. THAT'S secession. As opposed to, you know, two ARMIES having at each other.

Do us all a favor, NM, SECEDE from this forum. It's filled with liberals, and I'm pretty sure you want to take part in the SECESSION. Right? Right?

FOOOOOOOORT SUMTEEEEEER!!!

Secession is already occurring,


You don't actually know what that word means, do you...


at least on a local scale.


Wow. That WAS a prompt reply. I haven't even hit 'submit' yet.


A lot of people are already cutting off Obammunists


That's actually quite cute.


...from any connection with their lives. And as I've mentioned before, it's a great dating filter.

Why do I doubt it makes a big difference...

Yep, you're right.

Algore voters, 2000: "We screwed up."

Lurch voters, 2004: "We screwed up."

No, NM, we were right. You were wrong. We will always have been right. You will always have been wrong. I could care less about your historical revisionism, especially given that all that remains of it is this fact.

You don't actually know what that word means, do you...



Wow. That WAS a prompt reply. I haven't even hit 'submit' yet.



That's actually quite cute.



Why do I doubt it makes a big difference...

Oh, man, how did I, a LINGUIST, miss the fun in mocking the notion of "secession on a local scale"?

Yep, you're right.

Algore voters, 2000: "We screwed up."

Lurch voters, 2004: "We screwed up."

Yeah, that was basically the voters thoughts after both those elections.

Youre making my arguement for me. This is awesome.

Yeah if you're not looking to get laid. These are the same ladies who are "waiting for marriage". Supporting Obama has all the perks.

First off, plenty of women voted Republican, and plenty of them aren't "waiting for marriage."

Second, I can always go foreign :tongue: Plenty of beautiful girls overseas who don't suffer from Dark Lord worship.

Third, if worst came to worst, I would do without. I don't care if a woman looks like Miss America and screws like a porn star. If she voted Obama, she might as well be some tattooed skeezer with terminal AIDS and I wouldn't get approach (or remain) within ten yards of her.

Yep, you're right.

Algore voters, 2000: "We screwed up."

Lurch voters, 2004: "We screwed up."

I imagine you're right.

There's a lot of people that suffered buyers-remorse in consecutive elections, there. If they'd just pushed that LITTLE bit harder. If they could have just made a little more effort in Florida.

Yep. They screwed up. And thousands of American soldiers, tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, and at least four constitutional amendments got sacrificed to pay for their mistakes.

Yeah New Mitanni's friends not dating Obama supporters sure qualifies as secession. See that paint peeling on the ceiling? That's a plague currently ravaging Europe. Be afraid, Europe!

Oh, man, how did I, a LINGUIST, miss the fun in mocking the notion of "secession on a local scale"?

Because you forgot about Poland? No - something about Ayn Rand...

This wasn't the change you were promised?

Help me(me)!

Third, if worst came to worst, I would do without. I don't care if a woman looks like Miss America and screws like a porn star. If she voted Obama, she might as well be some tattooed skeezer with terminal AIDS and I wouldn't get approach (or remain) within ten yards of her.

You don't have a penis, do you? Dude, sex trumps politics every time.

Guys, we should back off NM. He's a lawyer.

First off, plenty of women voted Republican, and plenty of them aren't "waiting for marriage."

Second, I can always go foreign :tongue: Plenty of beautiful girls overseas who don't suffer from Dark Lord worship.

Third, if worst came to worst, I would do without. I don't care if a woman looks like Miss America and screws like a porn star. If she voted Obama, she might as well be some tattooed skeezer with terminal AIDS and I wouldn't get approach (or remain) within ten yards of her.

First of all, you assume that any of them will give you the time of the day.

Second of all, the world likes Obama, in general, more than the US does. Not that it matters, as you STILL assume they will give you the time of the day.

Third of all, you DO do without. Or else you'd not be spending your nights chatting online with a bunch of people you clearly and utterly HATE for... disagreeing with you.

He doesn't need it.



Yeah. Morons shunning people who voted for the other guy. THAT'S what secession is all about, innit? Nothing lesser, like, say, a CIVIL WAR or something. No, secession is all about morons shunning people who voted for the other guy.

Oh, AND crafting cute little nicknames, like "Obammunist" or something to that effect. That's SERIOUS BUSINESS, none of the lesser stuff, like cannons.

Oh, AND reducing even more your chances of getting laid by only dating people who agree with you. That's SERIOUS BUSINESS. THAT'S secession. As opposed to, you know, two ARMIES having at each other.

Do us all a favor, NM, SECEDE from this forum. It's filled with liberals, and I'm pretty sure you want to take part in the SECESSION. Right? Right?

FOOOOOOOORT SUMTEEEEEER!!!

What, me leave? And miss out on reading posts like this?! ROFL

What, me leave? And miss out on reading posts like this?! ROFL

the dark lord rises! FORT SUMPTER! FORT SUMPTER!

What, me leave? And miss out on reading posts like this?!

I dont want you to leave either. Youre trollish comedic value is too great.

FORT SUMPTER!

Say it like Leroy Jenkins.

Guys, we should back off NM. He's a lawyer.

I think him and Kimchi went to the same lawschool

What, me leave? And miss out on reading posts like this?! ROFL

You're right. My posts are funny. And I'm sure many people are laughing with me.

The problem is, many people also find your posts funny. They, however, laugh AT you.

say it like leroy jenkins.

fooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttttttt suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmpter!

I think him and Kimchi went to the same lawschool

And they were taught by Dorksonian the Political Science Professor.

First off, plenty of women voted Republican, and plenty of them aren't "waiting for marriage."


Of course not. They're already married.

;)


Second, I can always go foreign :tongue: Plenty of beautiful girls overseas who don't suffer from Dark Lord worship.


And, it has to be said, not understanding anything you say might be considered a bonus.


Third, if worst came to worst, I would do without.


Monday: Dear Diary, worst came to worst.
Tuesday: Worst came to worst.
Wednesday: Wrote a poem "Why do nice girls hate me..."
Thursday: Worst came to worst.
Friday: Worst came to worst.

etc.


I don't care if a woman looks like Miss America and screws like a porn star.


Unrealistically?

Oh - you mean she fakes it?


If she voted Obama, she might as well be some tattooed skeezer with terminal AIDS and I wouldn't get approach (or remain) within ten yards of her.

I didn't vote for Obama... does that mean I've got a shot?

At least I've got chicken...

I think him and Kimchi went to the same lawschool

The FSU?

FFFFFFFFFfffffooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttttt SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmtttttttttttteeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrr UUUUUUUUUUUUnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiiiiivvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrsssssssssssiiiiiiiiiiiiii ttttttttyyyyyyy?

No, NM, you were right. We were wrong. We will always have been wrong. You will always have been right. I couldn't care less about our historical revisionism, especially given that all that remains of it is this fact.

Fixed.

Now, go learn how to use "couldn't care less" properly. Or do something constructive, like, say, wandering about in the Amazon jungle somewhere.

I didn't vote for Obama... does that mean I've got a shot?

It means youre not an Orc yet. Hold on, let me get Melkor, and we'll work some dark magic on you. Then the transformation will be complete.

I think him and Kimchi went to the same lawschool

DK was a great NSG'er.

Speaking of kimchi, I like radish best, but cabbage is always good too, as long as it doesn't use too much chili.

And they were taught by Dorksonian the Political Science Professor.

and then they went to medical school to get taught by that guy who had a PhD in medicine.

You're right. My posts are funny. And I'm sure many people are laughing with me.

The problem is, many people also find your posts funny. They, however, laugh AT you.

And they have all the respect from me that they are due for doing so. As do you.

Fixed.

Now, go learn how to use "couldn't care less" properly. Or do something constructive, like, say, wandering about in the Amazon jungle somewhere.

Oh, a clever and exceptionally cutting retort! However, I feel confident in speaking for Heikoku when I say that despite your kindly suggestion, Heikoku will, along with just about anyone with a sense of humor, be laughing in your face instead.

Oh, a clever and exceptionally cutting retort! However, I feel confident in speaking for Heikoku when I say that despite your kindly suggestion, Heikoku will, along with just about anyone with a sense of humor, be laughing in your face instead.

Silence Orc. Dont make me get Aragorn over here. He'll be bringing Hugo Weaving with him.


Who will be wearing the Agent Smith sunglasses.

Fixed.

Now, go learn how to use "couldn't care less" properly. Or do something constructive, like, say, wandering about in the Amazon jungle somewhere.

1- "Could care less" is a construction frequently used in colloquial English. I know that. You seemingly don't.

2- My city, Belo Horizonte, sits at the center of, and is the capital of, Minas Gerais, one of the most developed states in South America, miles away from the Amazon Jungle. It is among the 70 biggest cities in the world, with a population of 2.5 million inhabitants, and a metropolitan area with about 4 million inhabitants. By itself, my city has a higher population than fifteen of your states. Its metro area ups that amount to twenty-four. It is a hub of industrial activity, home to some of the best architectural complexes in the world, with a vibrant musical and theatrical culture, an impressive night life and schools that, unlike some in Kansas recently, actually teach EVOLUTION. With this small explanation, I don't expect you to stop using stereotypes in a poor, idiotic attempt to offend me, but I hope, for your sake, that you learn to KNOW WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH.

He did, at least, have some regrets, bless his little cotton socks.

He 'regrets' Iraq not having WMD's.

He also regrets something about the way Katrina was handled: the photo-op of him in the plane, regrettably, did not have the right PR impact.

I didn't vote for Obama... does that mean I've got a shot?

If you are (1) a human female, (2) straight, (3) right of center, (4) pro-life, (5) non-feminist, (6) non-Moslem, (7) . . . .

But to you, the shorter and more precise answer is, "NO".

And they have all the respect from me that they are due for doing so. As do you.

Laudari a bonis et vituperari a malis unum atque idem est.

Disrespect me, NM. Nothing would make me happier.

Technically, Heikoku COULD care less about NM's posts: he could fail to respond at all, for example.

While that is good news, only after hiring 17 former or current lobbyists to his administration according to CNN. Which will not resign nor be fired. While he promised not too during the presidential campaign. Only after former Dem U.S. Senator from South Dakota and former U.S. Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschel withdrew his nomination from consideration as Secretary of Health. Just a day before President Obama stated his support for Tom Daschel who did not pay all his taxes. So while President Obama's statement is good news lets put it all in perspective first.

1- "Could care less" is a construction frequently used in colloquial English. I know that. You seemingly don't.

It's also incorrect usage that no amount of use can make correct. I know that. You seemingly don't.

2- My city, Belo Horizonte, sits at the center of, and is the capital of, Minas Gerais, one of the most developed states in South America, miles away from the Amazon Jungle. It is among the 70 biggest cities in the world, with a population of 2.5 million inhabitants, and a metropolitan area with about 4 million inhabitants. By itself, my city has a higher population than fifteen of your states. Its metro area ups that amount to twenty-four. It is a hub of industrial activity, home to some of the best architectural complexes in the world, with a vibrant musical and theatrical culture, an impressive night life and schools that, unlike some in Kansas recently, actually teach EVOLUTION.

Color me impressed.

With this small explanation, I don't expect you to stop using stereotypes

like "some [schools] in Kansas"? :rolleyes:

in a poor, idiotic attempt to offend me,

Clearly nobody needs to do that in order to offend you.


but I hope, for your sake, that you learn to KNOW WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH.

"Physician, heal thyself."

If you are (1) a human female, (2) straight, (3) right of center, (4) pro-life, (5) non-feminist, (6) non-Moslem, (7) . . . .

But to you, the shorter and more precise answer is, "NO".

Wow. I think I might be able to swing 2 and 6.

Politics, gender orientation, sex, religion, and stances on abortion and equality... yeah, I bet there's a line of them.

While that is good news, only after hiring 17 former or current lobbyists to his administration according to CNN. Which will not resign nor be fired. While he promised not too during the presidential campaign. Only after former Dem U.S. Senator from South Dakota and former U.S. Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschel withdrew his nomination from consideration as Secretary of Health. Just a day before President Obama stated his support for Tom Daschel who did not pay all his taxes. So while President Obama's statement is good news lets put it all in perspective first.

Holy shit. Government officials dont keep certian campaign promises once elected?!?:eek:

Wow. I think I might be able to swing 2 and 6.

Politics, gender orientation, sex, religion, and stances on abortion and equality... yeah, I bet there's a line of them.

And Im sure all those who are turned away are just devestated.

And Im sure all those who are turned away are just devestated.

I know I was.

I still cry myself to sleep at night.

I think him and Kimchi went to the same lawschool

Patriot University offers law degrees? Awesome.

And Im sure all those who are turned away are just devestated.

Their devastation is equaled only by Sherman's March to the Sea. We have already had our Antietam; that was when New Mitanni decided to wear his fabulous pants the other day. Gettysburg, when New Mitanni posts a singles ad, is coming up soon.

America will never be the same. Fort Sumter!

It's also incorrect usage that no amount of use can make correct. I know that. You seemingly don't.

If you had the foggiest idea of how Linguistics work...
If you had any basic notion of etymology and how idioms and language is formed...

You would realize that that statement of yours runs counter to EVERY SINGLE BASIC NOTION OF LINGUISTICS THERE IS.

How did Latin turn into Spanish, Portuguese and Italian, NM? How did Old English become current English? It was by USE. You use "old" as opposed to "olde" now because of USE. People started using "old" instead of "olde", and "old" became correct. That's EXACTLY how Linguistics and Etymology work! And YOU come here to lecture ME on the subject with which I make my LIVING? To the sound of "I know that, you seemingly don't"? Let me inform you, NM, the only reason I don't "know that" and you "do" is YOUR STATEMENT HAS NO BASIS ON REALITY WHATSOEVER!

Know your place!

If you had the foggiest idea of how Linguistics work...
If you had any basic notion of etymology and how idioms and language is formed...

You would realize that that statement of yours runs counter to EVERY SINGLE BASIC NOTION OF LINGUISTICS THERE IS.

How did Latin turn into Spanish, Portuguese and Italian, NM? How did Old English become current English? It was by USE. You use "old" as opposed to "olde" now because of USE. People started using "old" instead of "olde", and "old" became correct. That's EXACTLY how Linguistics and Etymology work! And YOU come here to lecture ME on the subject with which I make my LIVING? To the sound of "I know that, you seemingly don't"? Let me inform you, NM, the only reason I don't "know that" and you "do" is YOUR STATEMENT HAS NO BASIS ON REALITY WHATSOEVER!

Know your place!


Why do you let him jack you up?

So not worth it.

Laudari a bonis et vituperari a malis unum atque idem est.

Quae volumus et credimus libenter, et quae sentimus ipsi, reliquos sentire speramus.

See, I read Latin too. Probably longer than you've been around.

Know who you're dealing with.

Why do you let him jack you up?

So not worth it.

Oh, I didn't, I'm perfectly calm. I was going for a "Khelben Blackstaff" thing, there...

Quae volumus et credimus libenter, et quae sentimus ipsi, reliquos sentire speramus.


Found a good online latin translater, huh?

Found a good online latin translater, huh?

Seems about as good as his "Arabic" translation.

Holy shit. Government officials dont keep certian campaign promises once elected?!?:eek:

The point is President Obama campaigned as change you can believe in, as change we can all believe in and the President who will never lie to you. Now we all know it was all a lie to get elected. I was not fooled were you?

Any campaign promise that President Obama breaks should and well be held to his very clever campaing slogan change you can believe in. As I agree with your statement I see at least we agree on something.

Quae volumus et credimus libenter, et quae sentimus ipsi, reliquos sentire speramus.

Never saw a more appropriate quote to yourself.

The point is President Obama campaigned as change you can believe in, as change we can all believe in and the President who will never lie to you.

You mean...a campaign slogan was just a...campaign slogan?

Some things have changed. Of course some things wont.

Now we all know it was all a lie to get elected. I was not fooled were you?

It wasnt a "lie". It was campaiging. Everyone knew this. The right needs to stop pretending like theyre revealing some deep, dark, esoteric secret whenever they point this out.

Found a good online latin translater, huh?

Is it even good? I can't read Latin but I do know it doesn't use commas.

Edit: wait does that even have a conjugated verb?

The point is President Obama campaigned as change you can believe in, as change we can all believe in and the President who will never lie to you. Now we all know it was all a lie to get elected. I was not fooled were you?

Any campaign promise that President Obama breaks should and well be held to his very clever campaing slogan change you can believe in. As I agree with your statement I see at least we agree on something.

Oh fantastic. He promised "change you can believe in," but whatever Obama does, I refuse to believe in it. Therefore he lied in his campaign. What a fraud he is!

Is it even good? I can't read Latin but I do know it doesn't use commas.

No, its not even that good. But its better then most, because it will actually write sentences for you.

Oh fantastic. He promised "change you can believe in," but whatever Obama does, I refuse to believe in it. Therefore he lied in his campaign. What a fraud he is!

Trostia I am sure you know that is not what I mean. Again, President Obama's own words change you can believe in. A President who will never lie to you. Whenever he breaks those words pertainin to a campaign promise, he lied and will be held too that.

By your defense all campaign promises President Bush broke can be excused away. I am sure you and your supporters on the forum would never excuse any broken campaign promises by President Bush as I should not excuse them also.

Trostia I am sure you know that is not what I mean. Again, President Obama's own words change you can believe in. A President who will never lie to you. Whenever he breaks those words pertainin to a campaign promise, he lied and will be held too that.

He didn't lie.

By your defense all campaign promises President Bush broke can be excused away.

I could give less than a shit about Bush's (non-extant) honesty and more about things like the six hundred thousand dead Iraqi civilians.

I am sure you and your supporters on the forum would never excuse any broken campaign promises by President Bush as I should not excuse them also.

It helps that we can actually support allegations that he lied.

If you had the foggiest idea of how Linguistics work...
If you had any basic notion of etymology and how idioms and language is formed...

You would realize that that statement of yours runs counter to EVERY SINGLE BASIC NOTION OF LINGUISTICS THERE IS.

How did Latin turn into Spanish, Portuguese and Italian, NM? How did Old English become current English? It was by USE. You use "old" as opposed to "olde" now because of USE. People started using "old" instead of "olde", and "old" became correct. That's EXACTLY how Linguistics and Etymology work! And YOU come here to lecture ME on the subject with which I make my LIVING? To the sound of "I know that, you seemingly don't"? Let me inform you, NM, the only reason I don't "know that" and you "do" is YOUR STATEMENT HAS NO BASIS ON REALITY WHATSOEVER!

Know your place!

I am well acquainted with "how linguistics works." I studied the subject as an undergrad at MIT as part of my humanities requirement. I'm also at least passingly familiar with the works of a number of authors and authorities in the area, including Sapir, Greenberg and Ruhlen.

If enough English speakers decided that "can't" actually means "can" or "could" actually means "couldn't", then you would have a point. Right now, it's just plain sloppy, imprecise, incorrect and non-standard usage, and when it's called to people's attention they usually realize that's the case. I may not make a living at linguistics, but I know enough about my native language to know what's grammatically correct and what's non-standard.

As to your "old" example, erosion of case endings in adjectives over time is far from equivalent to redefining "could" as its own negation. If that's the best linguistic analogy you can come up with, I am not impressed.

To use your words once again: Know who you're dealing with.

As for "knowing my place," you are not in a position to issue such a command, and I couldn't care less about your opinion as to my "place."

I am well acquainted with "how linguistics works." I studied the subject as an undergrad at MIT as part of my humanities requirement.

Suuuuure you did.

I'm also at least passingly familiar with the works of a number of authors and authorities in the area, including Sapir, Greenberg and Ruhlen.

Google ftw.

I am well acquainted with "how linguistics works." (...)

passingly familiar(...)

Let's see the score:

Heikoku:
Graduated. In Linguistics and Literature. Specialized in English. Taking a specialization course in Translation. Freelance translator.

NM:
Passingly familiar.

I won't discuss this anymore so I don't hijack my own thread. Besides, I don't need to.

Is it even good? I can't read Latin but I do know it doesn't use commas.

Edit: wait does that even have a conjugated verb?

Naw, it's not any good. It's just a quotation from Caesar. :rolleyes:

Naw, it's not any good. It's just a quotation from Caesar. :rolleyes:

So, you just copy pasted the quote.

Glad to see you understand Latin:D

I am well acquainted with "how linguistics works." I studied the subject as an undergrad at MIT as part of my humanities requirement. I'm also at least passingly familiar with the works of a number of authors and authorities in the area, including Sapir, Greenberg and Ruhlen.

If enough English speakers decided that "can't" actually means "can" or "could" actually means "couldn't", then you would have a point. Right now, it's just plain sloppy, imprecise, incorrect and non-standard usage, and when it's called to people's attention they usually realize that's the case. I may not make a living at linguistics, but I know enough about my native language to know what's grammatically correct and what's non-standard.

As to your "old" example, erosion of case endings in adjectives over time is far from equivalent to redefining "could" as its own negation. If that's the best linguistic analogy you can come up with, I am not impressed.

To use your words once again: Know who you're dealing with.

As for "knowing my place," you are not in a position to issue such a command, and I couldn't care less about your opinion as to my "place."

Yeah a lengthy, ranting, desperate attempt at rebuttal is a good way to demonstrate your aloof indifference.

Graduated. In Linguistics and Literature. Specialized in English. Taking a specialization course in Translation. Freelance translator.

Once more, color me impressed. You are familiar with that idiom, aren't you, Mr. Freelance Translator?

But, much like the stopped clock that's still right twice a day, you are right about this thread wandering off-topic. Enough said.

I could give less than a shit about Bush's (non-extant) honesty and more about things like the six hundred thousand dead Iraqi civilians.


This^^

I don't care about campaign promises that fall by the wayside. I'm sure Bush intended to fulfill campaign promises. I'm sure he had a vague intent to heal the partisan divides, as he promised - rather than to deepen them.

I don't care.

I care about the dead people. I care about the torture. I care about the wars and rumours of wars.

If Obama kills thousands of 'us', tens of thousands of some group of 'them' out there, and tortures the Constitution, I'll judge him on it.

If the worst thing I have to worry about in the next term or two... is lobbyists? I'm strangely comfortable with that.

I have to agree with GnI here. "Jobs" are only a good thing if they produce something of value. It would be more beneficial to society if we paid all the people who work at insurance companies pure welfare payments, the same amounts as their current salaries, just to sit at home and watch TV: that would be less destructive than having them work their current jobs, which are counter-productive; effectively we are presently paying them to throw bricks through windows.

So you would turn revenue into a drain ?

Doing so would cost the government tax revenue, In both corporation tax and capital gains tax.

but you really want to lower health care cost ? Stop taxing hospitals, and give insurance companies the 12.5% tax rate that energy companies get.
Remove the taxes from health care corporations currently 30-40%(add state and local taxes for total tax burden) and the cost would drop to European levels.

So you would turn revenue into a drain ?

Doing so would cost the government tax revenue, In both corporation tax and capital gains tax.

but you really want to lower health care cost ? Stop taxing hospitals, and give insurance companies the 12.5% tax rate that energy companies get.
Remove the taxes from health care corporations currently 30-40%(add state and local taxes for total tax burden) and the cost would drop to European levels.

I don't 'want to lower health care costs'. I want everyone to have access to healthcare regardless of personal wealth. I want the healthcare providers to be run for the good of the people paying them and the people they serve. I'm quite happy to watch the medical insurance industry burn on the fires of hell, if it gets me closer to what I want.

You talk about taxing hospitals. I'm not sure how it works out in all states, but in the one I've seen figures for (Missouri) 8 out of every ten hospitals are run as not-for-profits, and so are tax exempt. (I've checked nationwide statistics - in 2004, 85% of hospitals, nationwide, were tax-exempt... 60% non-profit, and 25% public hospitals).

And if you are seriously talking about cutting provider taxes - again, looking at Missouri - those taxes actually pay for the medicaid programs (50% anyway).

In other words - you could massively reduce the tax burdens on each hospital - by implementing universal healthcare.


And simply cutting taxes doesn't work. Remember Bush's EGTRRA in 2001, that was going to save more than a trillion dollars? Look out of your window.

I don't 'want to lower health care costs'. I want everyone to have access to healthcare regardless of personal wealth. I want the healthcare providers to be run for the good of the people paying them and the people they serve. I'm quite happy to watch the medical insurance industry burn on the fires of hell, if it gets me closer to what I want.

well health care plane doesn't require sending anyone to hell because I judge them evil. Or destroying an industry that's been built up for over 100 years.
Lower the cost of health care is only one part. but lowering the cost of health care would allow more people to utilize private health care.


You talk about taxing hospitals. I'm not sure how it works out in all states, but in the one I've seen figures for (Missouri) 8 out of every ten hospitals are run as not-for-profits, and so are tax exempt. (I've checked nationwide statistics - in 2004, 85% of hospitals, nationwide, were tax-exempt... 60% non-profit, and 25% public hospitals).

Missouri is a largely rural state those tend to skew toward public/non profit hospitals. But Its not just hospitals that are taxed. doctors offices, clinics, Pharmacies and So on. The taxation not corporate greed of insurance companies is what causes medical expenses to be high. Because every rung on the ladder gets taxed and has to pass the cost on to the consumer. The reason per Capita health expenditures are cheaper when the government takes over


And if you are seriously talking about cutting provider taxes - again, looking at Missouri - those taxes actually pay for the medicaid programs (50% anyway).

Yes because it is a self defeating tax. Ill explain. you tax the private health care industry to fund the public health care system. But this raises the cost of private health care which means more people now need to use the public health care system. On top of that now the private health care industry has less subscribers and has less income which means even less funding for the public health system. Also its worth pointing out many states tax all non public hospitals(including non profit ones) to fund medicare though i didn't bring it up earlier because it is normally only an additional 5 -10%. not even taking into account government inefficiency with the money.
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In other words - you could massively reduce the tax burdens on each hospital - by implementing universal healthcare.

you would also drain the revenues of the private insurance agencies and likely destroy them and private hospitals as well. then we will have nothing but public hospitals and the government doesn't tax themselves. You can do that with any industry. Lets nationalize the failed automobile companies now the government can manufacture cars at less then profit and private automobile manufacturers that didn't dump (ford) would go under because they cant compete with a subsidized non taxed entity. It wouldn't make the government car better and in the long run it would make it worse.
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And simply cutting taxes doesn't work. Remember Bush's EGTRRA in 2001, that was going to save more than a trillion dollars? Look out of your window.

Whats does that have to do with the conversation at hand ? I am not trying to stimulate the economy I am trying to lower price to the consumer.
Lets continue with how my plan would work.

1st cut taxes on insurance/health care industry. this lowers cost.
2nd institute a point in which government takes over care for chronically sick/ long term hospitalized patients Id say 2 years of being sick to the point where you can not work. though If covered patient may opt to partially stay private ( several American private insurance companies will pay your rent and other bills if your too sick to work). Again lowers cost because it provides an endgame point of medical bills for an insurance company.
3rd. On a need basis using a calculations of income, number of dependents, and location, along with a few other factors as well. Have this aid payable to the insurance companies directly, and have them fill out the paper work.

These three steps gives you universal coverage, but with flexibility and choice built into the private system. Not to mention we don't destroy and industry that's existed in America for over a century.

Holy shit. Government officials dont keep certian campaign promises once elected?!?:eek:

You know, for the most part, elected officials keep their campaign promises in one form or another.

You know, for the most part, elected officials keep their campaign promises in one form or another.

Nowadays, no matter who is elected, thanks to the Internet, someone will document each and every time a promise is not kept.

53% of US voters in November 2008: "We screwed up."

I can think of few things more refreshing!

You're four years late with that post.

Nowadays, no matter who is elected, thanks to the Internet, someone will document each and every time a promise is not kept.

And with NSG, we can be sure that you'll misconstrue it into some anti-democrat slam.

Universal constant of gravity STILL CONSTANT. Where's the change, Obama? YOU LIED!

Where are we going to get these infallible presidents? We've still only got a pool of mortal candidates, right? That's not changed.

Where's the change I was promised, dammit!

Our leaders should be trained for the job for decades before they take it.

There's nothing unreasonable about wanting an infallible and perhaps omnipotent president.

Look at GW Bush, who never admitted to making any mistakes. Why? Because he didn't make any!

Unless accumulating a metric ass-load of debt is a mistake. :D

Lower the cost of health care is only one part. but lowering the cost of health care would allow more people to utilize private health care.


No, it wouldn't. For numerous reasons - not least being that you have to lower it SUBSTANTIALLY to be able to pick up a new niche market, or that access to hospitals is a factor.


Unless you think land is going to drop in price at the same rate, and that building hospitals is going to get cheaper.


Missouri is a largely rural state those tend to skew toward public/non profit hospitals.


Which is irrelevent. I posted in that SAME paragraph how Missouri relates to national data. It actually comes up slightly LOWER on tax exemptions.


But Its not just hospitals that are taxed. doctors offices, clinics, Pharmacies and So on. The taxation not corporate greed of insurance companies is what causes medical expenses to be high.


Rubbish. Opening a tray of basic supplies (like tongue depressors) is billed at $100. If a doctor needs a tongue depressor, various insurance agencies (not least malpractise agencies) mean that the doctor will open a tray, and bill at $100.

Tax is the least of the worries.


Because every rung on the ladder gets taxed and has to pass the cost on to the consumer.


Which is bullshit, because I've already illustrated how 85% of hospitals, nationwide, are exempted from (some) taxes. Many are exempted from other taxes, to... at least partially.


The reason per Capita health expenditures are cheaper when the government takes over


There are MANY reasons why per capita cost drops - not least beign a uniform policy that lowers the premium for everyone, or that the US government has an ability that no other company has - it can buy in bulk for 300 million customers.


Yes because it is a self defeating tax. Ill explain. you tax the private health care industry to fund the public health care system.


You didn't even read what I already wrote.

The public healthcare system isn't supported by the private healthcare system - at least 50% of it's support come from the 'other taxes' like property tax for land hospitals are built on, which can even affect non-profits.


But this raises the cost of private health care which means more people now need to use the public health care system. On top of that now the private health care industry has less subscribers and has less income which means even less funding for the public health system. Also its worth pointing out many states tax all non public hospitals(including non profit ones) to fund medicare though i didn't bring it up earlier because it is normally only an additional 5 -10%.


You didn't bring it up, but I've already accounted for it - you just didn't read it.

But your whole wall is based on a shaky foundation - the model doesn't work how you pretend it does - the public hospitals and non-profits aren't just existing off the back of the private model.


you would also drain the revenues of the private insurance agencies and likely destroy them and private hospitals as well.


Why? England has universal, nationalised healthcare AND optional private care.


then we will have nothing but public hospitals


Propaganda.


Whats does that have to do with the conversation at hand?


Considering you just turned the debate into cars, are you serious?

What it has to do with it is - cutting taxes isn't an answer. It COULD be PART of an answer. I just illustrated Bush's golden answer for the economy - 1.3 TRILLION dollars in tax cuts, and then here we sit in the worst recession in 80 years. Tax cuts don't work.


1st cut taxes on insurance/health care industry. this lowers cost.


Not intrinsically. More likely, it raises per capita profit.


Again lowers cost because it provides an endgame point of medical bills for an insurance company.


Which is a good enough reason NOT to do it. I get charged premiums the whole time, why give them an out if I get sick? That's what I'm PAYING them for.


These three steps gives you universal coverage, but with flexibility and choice built into the private system. Not to mention we don't destroy and industry that's existed in America for over a century.

Fuck the insurance industry. I don't care if it's stood for a year, a hundred years, or a million years. It's parasitic and gets in the way of a decent healthcare system.

Give us universal nationalised coverage now, and watch EVERYONE be able to get care, AND the per capita costs plummet.

Our leaders should be trained for the job for decades before they take it.

It's those bloody voters. If they're gonna make us have to wait until 'elections' every four years, how can we do any longterm planning?

Obviously, the best answer is to only run one candidate at a time. Train the candidate for twenty years, and then let him run for twenty years while the next one is trained. Then the voters don't even have to worry about the 'every four years' thing, or the 'choosing between parties' thing.

Our leaders should be trained for the job for decades before they take it.

All the training in the world cannot guarantee that a leader will be good when he/she leads.

All the training in the world cannot guarantee that a leader will be good when he/she leads.

It can certainly help. Tests and classes are required for nearly all important vocations, and the President is arguably the most important job in the world. For instance, if Bush had been forced to take classes he would have either have learned some important things or failed the test and not have been elected in the first place.

No, it wouldn't. For numerous reasons - not least being that you have to lower it SUBSTANTIALLY to be able to pick up a new niche market, or that access to hospitals is a factor.

you can use private insurance in a public hospital. In fact that the norm.


Unless you think land is going to drop in price at the same rate, and that building hospitals is going to get cheaper.

Most locations give the land for free to hospitals and give very long favorable terms of tax exemption on land so that's not an issue. (tax exemption also is given to many business) so irrelevant.
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Which is irrelevant. I posted in that SAME paragraph how Missouri relates to national data. It actually comes up slightly LOWER on tax exemptions.
[/quote] public and non profit hospitals still use private insurance in the states.

Rubbish. Opening a tray of basic supplies (like tongue depressors) is billed at $100. If a doctor needs a tongue depressor, various insurance agencies (not least malpractise agencies) mean that the doctor will open a tray, and bill at $100.

Remove the taxes on the medical supply industry and tongue depressors cost 60 dollars. Which means insurance billed less, which means premiums go down for you. you see your the consumer any cost comes down to you.

Tax is the least of the worries.

for the insurance industry your right. because they just pass the tax on to the consumer as part of their premiums. But for the consumer Taxes are the primary reason for high cost per consumer.


Which is bullshit, because I've already illustrated how 85% of hospitals, nationwide, are exempted from (some) taxes. Many are exempted from other taxes, to... at least partially.

as I told you before its not just the hospitals getting raped on the taxes. doctors offices (#1 source of American primary non emergency care), drug companies, clinics, health care supply manufactures. Every rung has taxation.


There are MANY reasons why per capita cost drops - not least beign a uniform policy that lowers the premium for everyone, or that the US government has an ability that no other company has - it can buy in bulk for 300 million customers.

that the whole bulk argument is over done. lets use Canada as a fine example. CVS and Walmart both have a larger customer base then Canada and they buy in bulk. whats different in Canada is that corporation tax is lower and is easier to get an exemption for cost. Most drug companies in Canada are Income trust and this allows them to pay and even lower rate.


You didn't even read what I already wrote.

The public healthcare system isn't supported by the private healthcare system - at least 50% of it's support come from the 'other taxes' like property tax for land hospitals are built on, which can even affect non-profits.

You have been writing the word rubbish for the most part and the rest seems illegible even in print. So you concede the point that non profit and public hospitals do get taxed?


You didn't bring it up, but I've already accounted for it - you just didn't read it.

But your whole wall is based on a shaky foundation - the model doesn't work how you pretend it does - the public hospitals and non-profits aren't just existing off the back of the private model.
somewhere between 70 and 80% of Americans have private insurance. To think that public and non profit hospitals do not bill private insurance for a large portion of their funds is a tad bit naive. normally in the US non profit hospitals bill people with insurance extra then when someone comes in needing free care they take that out of the

Why? England has universal, nationalized health care AND optional private care.
and how much of the market share is private health care ? 6% ? 8%? lets not shrink a perfectly functioning private health industry by 90%.
And this is not UK, we haven't just finished WWII and have few if any private insurance companies left standing.


What it has to do with it is - cutting taxes isn't an answer. It COULD be PART of an answer. I just illustrated Bush's golden answer for the economy - 1.3 TRILLION dollars in tax cuts, and then here we sit in the worst recession in 80 years. Tax cuts don't work.

Bushes Tax cuts were aimed at the people and they were meant to induce buying. These are aimed at the corporations and are aimed to reduce cost. 2 different matters. And the tax cuts are only one out of 3 steps though a very important one.



Not intrinsically. More likely, it raises per capita profit.

stop reading Karl Marx books read Adam Smith. As cost to the corporations go down the savings will be passed on to the consumer. the entire history of the free market backs this.


Which is a good enough reason NOT to do it. I get charged premiums the whole time, why give them an out if I get sick? That's what I'm PAYING them for.

Because it will lower your premiums, and there comes a point when a person has been sick so long that it becomes a community matter. The beauty of course being is if you don't like the government taking over your health care at two years you can choose to stay private when you buy insurance. ( at the cost of higher premiums naturally).


Fuck the insurance industry. I don't care if it's stood for a year, a hundred years, or a million years. It's parasitic and gets in the way of a decent healthcare system.

You have conceded the debate by resorting to profanity and emotionalism.


Give us universal nationalised coverage now, and watch EVERYONE be able to get care, AND the per capita costs plummet.
Or do my plan get the same results but provide more freedom of choice then you could ever get from the government.

Unless accumulating a metric ass-load of debt is a mistake. :D

How much is a metric ass-load?

It can certainly help. Tests and classes are required for nearly all important vocations, and the President is arguably the most important job in the world. For instance, if Bush had been forced to take classes he would have either have learned some important things or failed the test and not have been elected in the first place.

Agreed.

How much is a metric ass-load?

One cubic half-ass.

Remove the taxes on the medical supply industry and tongue depressors cost 60 dollars.


No, tongue depressors cost pennies. It is the combination of the inflexible medical industry, the profit hungry pharmaceutical and supply companies, and the predatory insurance industry... that conspires to bill YOU for $100.


that the whole bulk argument is over done. lets use Canada as a fine example. CVS and Walmart both have a larger customer base then Canada and they buy in bulk. whats different in Canada is


...that Canada basically refuses to pay more than 30% of the US prices.


...and how much of the market share is private health care ? 6% ? 8%?


I doubt if it's more than a percentage point, to be honest. The UK averages something like 4 NHS visits per year, per capita. BMI (one of the biggest privates) manages maybe a caseload of a million appointments. That's one in every 240.


lets not shrink a perfectly functioning private health industry by 90%.


Okay.

Unfortunately, we don't have a 'perfectly functioning private health industry'.


And this is not UK,


Unfortunately, this is also true.


Bushes Tax cuts


were mentioned to immediately deal with the whole failed 'tax cuts!' mantra.


stop reading Karl Marx books read Adam Smith. As cost to the corporations go down the savings will be passed on to the consumer. the entire history of the free market backs this.


Or doesn't. It seems you don't pay enough attention.


You have conceded the debate by resorting to profanity and emotionalism.


Not at all. I started out by saying I don't care what happens to the insurance industry. They ARE a parasitic industry - that's not an appeal to emotion, that's a description of how they operate.


Or do my plan get the same results but provide more freedom of choice then you could ever get from the government.

Freedom of choice is bullshit. I'd rather take 'everyone gets fair healthcare' than 'freedom of choice'... because 'freedom of choice' means that NOT everyone gets good healthcare. Indeed, not everyone gets healthcare, at all.

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you've already conceded the point by using large amounts of profanity and being overly emotional. your clearly not thinking clearly you need to lay down and relax.

you've already conceded the point by using large amounts of profanity and being overly emotional. your clearly not thinking clearly you need to lay down and relax.

In other words, you got nothing.

Based on the crap you posted instead of arguments, the obvious lack of knowledge about economics, international or national healthcare and the fact that you apparently don't even read the posts you're allegedly responding to -this is probably your strongest post so far.

Snip.

Sir you are raving you need to rest.
To debate you know would be like dueling an unarmed man, I can not in all honor proceed to debate you because you have not your wits about you.

Sir you are raving you need to rest.
To debate you know would be like dueling an unarmed man, I can not in all honor proceed to debate you because you have not your wits about you.

If all you have is ad hominem, feel free to abandon pretence. It was all you had, but it's better to let it die a noble death.

How much is a metric ass-load?

If it were caffeine, it would be enough to kill an adult male African Elephant.

It's those bloody voters. If they're gonna make us have to wait until 'elections' every four years, how can we do any longterm planning?

Obviously, the best answer is to only run one candidate at a time. Train the candidate for twenty years, and then let him run for twenty years while the next one is trained. Then the voters don't even have to worry about the 'every four years' thing, or the 'choosing between parties' thing.

I think we should run at least ten candidates at a time, all who are qualified for the job. Or would you prefer we just run those who have the plenty of money?

I think we should run at least ten candidates at a time, all who are qualified for the job. Or would you prefer we just run those who have the plenty of money?

Ten candidates is too many. Surely it's easier and more practical to devote all out attentions to one long term trainee, and just keep running that one single candidate until his/her approval rating drops too low, or their 20 years are up...?

Being rich shouldn't be a factor.

How much is a metric ass-load?

1.23 Imperial assloads.

Okay, let me see if I've got these conversions right: 1 metric ass-load = 1.23 Imperial assloads = 1 cubic half-ass?

Okay, let me see if I've got these conversions right: 1 metric ass-load = 1.23 Imperial assloads = 1 cubic half-ass?
No, like this, if I'm not mistaken.

1 metric ass-load = 1.23 Imperial assloads = 1.332 cubic half-ass

No, like this, if I'm not mistaken.

1 metric ass-load = 1.23 Imperial assloads = 1.332 cubic half-ass
Aaahh...thank you. :D

Aaahh...thank you. :DYou're welcome. ;)

Ten candidates is too many. Surely it's easier and more practical to devote all out attentions to one long term trainee, and just keep running that one single candidate until his/her approval rating drops too low, or their 20 years are up...?

I believe shorter terms would be better (less popularity, less of a chance of using the army to establish a dictatorship). I think a political school which is free and open to anyone should be created; students advance based on interest and, later, performance. The top ten students are allowed to run for President. The winner would be selected by popular and preferential voting.

Being rich shouldn't be a factor.

Which is why under this system each student would get a limited amount of campaign money, and would not be allowed to accept donations.

1- "Could care less" is a construction frequently used in colloquial English. I know that. You seemingly don't.


It's still a pain in the ass when I see someone say it.

It's still a pain in the ass when I see someone say it.

"Could care less" is logical in it's own way - it's just incomplete.

Like... I COULD care less... but I don't.

I believe shorter terms would be better (less popularity, less of a chance of using the army to establish a dictatorship). I think a political school which is free and open to anyone should be created; students advance based on interest and, later, performance. The top ten students are allowed to run for President. The winner would be selected by popular and preferential voting.

Which is why under this system each student would get a limited amount of campaign money, and would not be allowed to accept donations.

What's wrong with establishing a dictatorship. You could eventually funnel the program into precisely that goal. A transition through 'elections' of the same candidate, and an acclimatisation to extended terms - followed by institution of a full benign dictatorship.

What's wrong with establishing a dictatorship. You could eventually funnel the program into precisely that goal. A transition through 'elections' of the same candidate, and an acclimatisation to extended terms - followed by institution of a full benign dictatorship.

The problem is that dictatorships aren't known to ''work''.

"Could care less" is logical in it's own way - it's just incomplete.

Like... I COULD care less... but I don't.

It's even logical without that. I could care less. For example, I could be dead and thus care absolutely not at all by virtue of never thinking about it.