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The witch-hunt mentality...

Hayteria
03-02-2009, 23:23
For my 875th post, (7/8ths of 1000, probably sounds arbitrary but whatever) I figured I'd talk about the kind of mentality that seems to accuse anyone who criticizes something of being involved with whatever the person or idea they're criticizing is perceived as fighting against.

The kinds of things I'm listing, I don't mean to compare to each other in terms of the significance of them, or how wrong they are, but in terms of the same kind of accusing mentality of being applied. It's like criticizing society's attitude towards homosexuality will get you accused of being a homosexual, criticizing its attitude towards cannabis will get you accused of being a pothead, criticizing its attitude towards pedophilia will get you accused of being a pedophile, (hell, sometimes even criticizing Chris Hansen will get you accused of that one even if you're talking more about his methods) pointing out that certain terrorists happen to have motives aside from envy will get you accused of siding with them etc, etc, etc... and on top of that, it seems as though such accusations were put there to try to stop certain perspectives from being expressed through fear of being accused, demonized, and outcasted.

Instances during the 50s of applying this kind of mentality only with respect to accusing people of being communists are now known as McCarthyism and are looked down on; and rightfully so. And yet, the same general problem, of accusing someone of being involved in whichever thing would be the supposed target of whatever they're criticizing, still seems common today.

The irony is, there's reason to expect the opposite instead. Those who accuse others of something tend to have it within themselves. It's called projection, and it's a fact of psychology. And even if you didn't happen to learn it through a psychology course (or aren't inclined to just accept it based on that) there are recent examples of this to consider. Elliot Spitzer supposedly tried to have this "tough on crime" image about him, and it was found out that he himself solicited prostitution. Kyle Payne was supposedly quite anti-porn, yet he had child porn on his computer and had admitted to sexually photographing unconscious people without their consent. Bill O'Reilly was supposedly quite anti-cussing, yet the video of him cussing during an outtake is well-known. Ted Haggard was supposedly quite anti-gay, yet it was found out that he had a sexual relationships with a gay prostitute.

In those kinds of cases and likely many more I'm not aware of, those known for denouncing something tend to be guilty of it themselves. So, if anything, wouldn't it be more appropriate to try to turn the tables, and have the witch-hunt mentality turned against itself? It does, after all, seem to have things backwards.

One thing I've noticed is that how quick people are to throw the accusations around doesn't seem to even be consistently proportional to the seriousness of what it's being applied to. The witch-hunt mentality around murder doesn't seem to be as quickly brought in as that around pedophilia, yet I'd say ending someone's life has more reason in itself to be severe than someone above age of consent having sex with someone below age of consent. I think it's a case of initial momentum; once a certain witch-hunt mentality is prominent enough, there seems to be some kind of addiction to it on society's part.

This is why we need to fight it. The more you hold back on critizing something for fear of becoming the next target of accusations, the more those who would throw such accusations around will see it as a way to get their way, presuming their way involves suppression of ideas. There's a word for giving people what they want out of fearing their power: appeasement. And appeasement is known for causing people to become more powerful, and harder to fight later on when such confrontation could no longer be avoided...
Forsakia
03-02-2009, 23:25
Witch!
Exilia and Colonies
03-02-2009, 23:26
Communist-Capitalist-Nazi-Darwinist-Creationist-Liberal-Convervative-Freedom-hating Witch!
Truly Blessed
03-02-2009, 23:28
It comes sometime from " I think he does protest too loudly" also from how would you know so much about your target group unless you were sympathetic to their cause be it public or private?

I think it is normally short sighted and because we like to label people without reason. These kind of argument are generally the most heated.

Since you know so much about let's say communism you must be a commie. See that way we deflect the argument. The person who said the argument spends the rest of the time saying no I am not instead of furthering the argument.
The Black Forrest
03-02-2009, 23:33
Witch!

How you you know she is a witch?
Galloism
03-02-2009, 23:34
How you you know she is a witch?

She turned me into a newt!
Forsakia
03-02-2009, 23:35
How you you know she is a witch?

Didn't you see, she just started a thread criticising witch-hunts. What more proof can be needed?
Conserative Morality
03-02-2009, 23:37
Didn't you see, she just started a thread criticising witch-hunts. What more proof can be needed?

No, no, that means she's a witch-hunter. Didn't you read the OP?
Holy Cheese and Shoes
03-02-2009, 23:37
People want to fit in with social norms, so to affirm this, they denounce that which is taboo, by degrees commensurate with the degree of how taboo it is.

How do you "turn around" the mentality without it just being a repeated argument of :

"You're gay, because you deny it!
No you're gay because you're projecting!
No You're gay because you deny it and project it!
No you're....etc etc"
Call to power
03-02-2009, 23:38
there's a word for refusing to fight something out of fearing its power: Appeasement. And appeasement is known for causing things to become more powerful, and harder to fight later on when such confrontation could no longer be avoided...

no.
Andaluciae
03-02-2009, 23:40
She turned me into a newt!

Did you get better?
Galloism
03-02-2009, 23:41
Did you get better?

Yes, but we should burn her anyway.
Hayteria
04-02-2009, 00:12
no.
Any actual counterargument to this?
Dylsexic Untied
04-02-2009, 00:14
Yes, but we should burn her anyway.
So what do you do with witches?
Galloism
04-02-2009, 00:15
So what do you do with witches?

Burrrrrrrrrrn them! Burrrrrrn!
Forsakia
04-02-2009, 00:28
No, no, that means she's a witch-hunter. Didn't you read the OP?

Of course not, that's Witch-y brainwashing propaganda. See, she got you! :(

Maybe she's a witch-hunting witch :eek:
South Lorenya
04-02-2009, 00:38
Hmm...

According to many christians, witchcraft is really demon worship.
Jehovah, however, is (in parrotspeak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Lq771TVm4)) an ex-demon.

Aren't you glad NSG as a whole picked the "run up to silly people and give them a symbolic tap" option?
Hayteria
04-02-2009, 02:44
It comes sometime from " I think he does protest too loudly" also from how would you know so much about your target group unless you were sympathetic to their cause be it public or private?
Hmm? Which group did you mean to describe through this, the targets of the witch-hunt mentality, or the examples of psychological projection?
Ristle
04-02-2009, 03:06
There's a word for refusing to fight something out of fearing its power: appeasement. And appeasement is known for causing things to become more powerful, and harder to fight later on when such confrontation could no longer be avoided...

Appeasement isn't not fighting, it's giving the opposition something to make them go away/be less demanding/shut up for a while
Hayteria
04-02-2009, 03:34
Appeasement isn't not fighting, it's giving the opposition something to make them go away/be less demanding/shut up for a while
That's kind of what I meant; by not fighting the witch-hunt mentality, one is giving those who use it more of what they want.

Come to think of it, the initial post could probably use some rewording...
One-O-One
04-02-2009, 03:37
Read an interesting article about this last year called "Turning Society Into Room 101". Good article, and a little terrifying. Here's the link (http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3104/).