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So, lately I've been looking up and reading about Serial Killers on Wikipedia. Now, I am not a sadistic person. I do not like torture and don't think I would inflict pain willingly on someone. I just find serial killers fascinating. I want to know your favorite stories about them, your favorite fictional or non-fictional depicitions/stories about them.


I personally like the stories of Charlie Manson b/c hes so crazy he's fucking hilarious.

So, lately I've been looking up and reading about Serial Killers on Wikipedia. Now, I am not a sadistic person. I do not like torture and don't think I would inflict pain willingly on someone. I just find serial killers fascinating. I want to know your favorite stories about them, your favorite fictional or non-fictional depicitions/stories about them.


I personally like the stories of Charlie Manson b/c hes so crazy he's fucking hilarious.

There's no need to explain yourself... look at t.v. and movies: there's always been demand for stories about killers. The weirder the better, in fact.

I remember seeing an interview with Edmund Kemper on YouTube, which might still be there. That guy defines crazy for me. Killed his grandparents as a boy, got out of the nuthouse at 18, killed a bunch of hitchhikers around Santa Cruz, eventually got caught for killing and later decapitating his mother. The guy was just hopelessly nuts from the beginning.

I like how the killer known as "Son of Sam" was caught because he didn't pay a parking ticket.

No one can match good 'ol Jack, and no one ever will.

I like Zodiac because he taunted the police with clues written in puzzles, and he never got caught, even when calling into a TV show. He played with fire and did not get burned.

Fictional, Jigsaw, 'nuff said.

I like how the killer known as "Son of Sam" was caught because he didn't pay a parking ticket.

Read part of a book once that said that he was connected with the "true" Necronomicon featured in the stories of H.P. Lovecraft. Freaked the fucking shit out of me, so I had to quit reading it.

herman mudgett.

hero of "the devil in the white city"

There's no need to explain yourself... look at t.v. and movies: there's always been demand for stories about killers. The weirder the better, in fact.

I remember seeing an interview with Edmund Kemper on YouTube, which might still be there. That guy defines crazy for me. Killed his grandparents as a boy, got out of the nuthouse at 18, killed a bunch of hitchhikers around Santa Cruz, eventually got caught for killing and later decapitating his mother. The guy was just hopelessly nuts from the beginning.

I don't want the conservative army or good 'ol PATRIOT coming down on me just for an interest in serial killers.

John Wayne Gacy.

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Heh. No, of course not. He's a horrible example of clownness; He got caught. :p

I'm partial to Albert Fish although more the lore than the gore. He was a whackjob.

I like how the killer known as "Son of Sam" was caught because he didn't pay a parking ticket.

That contradicts what I heard about him. The only weird thing about his arrest was that he dropped the murder weapon in his car while being approached by officers on the street. The police nearly let him go for lack of evidence, after forgetting to search his car until the last minute.

John Wayne Gacy.

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Heh. No, of course not. He's a horrible example of clownness; He got caught. :p
That's what happens with amateurs.

That's what happens with amateurs.

Indeed. One of the first things they teach at clown school is how to avoid leaving forensic evidence. *nod*

I'm partial to Albert Fish although more the lore than the gore. He was a whackjob.

Yeah, he was pretty far out there. Killers who target kids, though.. that stuff's hard to read about, even if you think you're used to it. I knew a guy like Fish when I was a kid, a masochist or a pain addict, rather than a serial killer, I mean. Weird stuff.

The BTK Killer was pretty amusing. The guy kills 10 people, taunts the police, writes letters to the newspapers, and gets away with it.
Then, 15 years later he gets caught because he sends a floppy disk with his name and place of work on it to a TV station. The best part is that the information was on a deleted document, so he actually thought he was being clever. DAMN YOU, NEW MEDIA!!
Er. Well, actually it was a floppy, so it sort of old media, but whatever.

Rush Limbaugh.

He's repeatedly killed the Republican party's legitimacy. One wonders why they continue to let him continue... :tongue:

Rush Limbaugh.

He's repeatedly killed the Republican party's legitimacy. One wonders why they continue to let him continue... :tongue:

Ouch. Not all conservatives listen to Rush though, I'm sure you know. Some of us can't stomach him, in fact.. myself included. :D

Ouch. Not all conservatives listen to Rush though, I'm sure you know. Some of us can't stomach him, in fact.. myself included. :D

XD

Merely a joke, I assure you.

herman mudgett.

hero of "the devil in the white city"

Oh, good book.

Otherwise...

I don't think it's possible for me to have a favourite serial killer, what am I to admire or favour, their technique?

However, slightly related...

5 Free will

If you want to keep your sanity, look away now. Neuroscientists are almost convinced that free will is an illusion. Their experiments show that our brains allow us to think we are controlling our bodies, but our movements begin before we make a conscious decision to move. Some researchers have already been approached to testify in court that the defendant is not to blame for anything they did. A scary legal future awaits.

It's not their fault.

Oh, good book.

Otherwise...

I don't think it's possible for me to have a favourite serial killer, what am I to admire or favour, their technique?

However, slightly related...



It's not their fault.
yes but even if you start before you decide you continue after you are aware of what you are doing.

you are responsible for that.

It's not their fault.

You could make that argument, but even assuming that strict determinism is true, it wouldn't mean you couldn't hold people accountable for their actions. We take steps to limit the effects of natural disasters, after all (an example of something no one canbe blamed for); even if you could find a reason for someone's horrific behavior, you'd still have to act to incapacitate the person to prevent future incidents.

You could make that argument, but even assuming that strict determinism is true, it wouldn't mean you couldn't hold people accountable for their actions. We take steps to limit the effects of natural disasters, after all (an example of something no one canbe blamed for); even if you could find a reason for someone's horrific behavior, you'd still have to act to incapacitate the person to prevent future incidents.
Or rehabilitate them, but obviously no one is suggesting that serial killers just be allowed to roam the streets because they can't help it.

Although, what the article he quoted sounds like it is suggesting is an old idea that was rejected during the Victorian era. I forget what it is called, but basically, not only free will, but consciousness also is an illusion generated by the bodies actions. So one's thoughts and desires are regarded just like engine exhaust, useless and ineffectual.

It amazes me how often dumb luck plays a role in the Serial killers capture. Just being in the right place at the right time.

I like BTK because he was so dumb it made him look smart to police. they viewed his mistakes as attempts to mislead them. took em years to catch him because of that.

Or rehabilitate them, but obviously no one is suggesting that serial killers just be allowed to roam the streets because they can't help it.

Although, what the article he quoted sounds like it is suggesting is an old idea that was rejected during the Victorian era. I forget what it is called, but basically, not only free will, but consciousness also is an illusion generated by the bodies actions. So one's thoughts and desires are regarded just like engine exhaust, useless and ineffectual.

The article I quoted is just a fluff piece on 5 scientific mysteries, I'll link out of duty...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/feb/02/science-mysteries

It's not their fault.

Let's turn this around then. Rather than it "being their fault" they are the fault. Defective, dangerous human beings. For the sake of security for the rest of society, they are to be culled immediately.

No more therapy and rehabilitation for these "not my fault" criminals since if they can't control it, therapy and rehabilitation is a waste. A bullet will suffice instead.

I never did like those insanity claims, temporary or not.

So I'm the only one who likes Zodiac? :(

Dick Cheeny. Blast's a guy with a shotgun and gets away with it.

Dick Cheeny. Blast's a guy with a shotgun and gets away with it.

Too bad he's not a serial killer....or else that joke would've made sense.

I think I find Theives more interesting, Dillinger, and Bonnie and Clyde are fascinating, lol....

I like thinking of the Strategy involved in doing it without being caught...and movies like the Ocean's series, and Resevoir Dogs are just awesome...

Too bad he's not a serial killer....or else that joke would've made sense.

He's killed thousands of people....








(indirectly through the US army)

He's killed thousands of people....








(indirectly through the US army)

*puts hand on shoulder* It's time to put the Bush/Cheney jokes away, their Presidency is over.....move on.

*puts hand on shoulder* It's time to put the Bush/Cheney jokes away, their Presidency is over.....move on.

But you can't make Obama jokes as easily! He's too..... cool. Plus people just end up calling you racist. It's not fair.

But you can't make Obama jokes as easily! He's too..... cool. Plus people just end up calling you racist. It's not fair.

Speaking of which.....I hear that the Superman Image has changed recently....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kng9nNTclfs/SPjHDHIePJI/AAAAAAAAAJA/7jjoD_hJEsg/s320/obama_superman.jpg

No one has mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer, who liked to drug his prey, normally young gay men, and then eat them and keep their bones and skulls in his refrigerator. He is dead now (killed in prison), but he was a pretty weird and strangely normal looking and sounding dude--like BTK looked and appeared normal. The Zodiac killer, on the other hand, looks as nutty as he is, and it amazes me that women were attracted to him and one even married him. YIKES!

But you can't make Obama jokes as easily!
So Obama and an armadillo walk into a bar. The bartender says, "We don't serve armadillos here."
Obama says, "That just shows the need for change. I want a country where every American can be served, regardless of species."

I got a million of 'em!

So I'm the only one who likes Zodiac? :(
No, I found him rather fascinating, but I just like Jack better, that's all.

No one has mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer, who liked to drug his prey, normally young gay men, and then eat them and keep their bones and skulls in his refrigerator. He is dead now (killed in prison), but he was a pretty weird and strangely normal looking and sounding dude--like BTK looked and appeared normal. The Zodiac killer, on the other hand, looks as nutty as he is, and it amazes me that women were attracted to him and one even married him. YIKES!
Uh... unless there's been a news article I missed, no one knows who the Zodiac is.

Uh... unless there's been a news article I missed, no one knows who the Zodiac is.

Wasn't there a story about a guy wanting to marry a female comic book character though? Which kinda proves that the person doesn't even need to be real for you to marry it. :p

*puts hand on shoulder* It's time to put the Bush/Cheney jokes away, their Presidency is over.....move on.

not until they pay for their crimes.

But you can't make Obama jokes as easily! He's too..... cool. Plus people just end up calling you racist. It's not fair.

You get called racist for even mentioning it! Racist.

No, I found him rather fascinating, but I just like Jack better, that's all.


Uh... unless there's been a news article I missed, no one knows who the Zodiac is.
Yes, you are right, my mistake, I meant the "satanic" killer Richard Ramirez (to whom women were attracted and who married in prison).

Amazing how quickly Ted Bundy, that guy who dressed up like a clown and Aileen Warmous have gone into the realm of passe' due to BTK!

So Obama and an armadillo walk into a bar. The bartender says, "We don't serve armadillos here."
Obama says, "That just shows the need for change. I want a country where every American can be served, regardless of species."

I got a million of 'em!
Well, it isn't exactly funny. Or funny at all, really, but most George Bush jokes aren't. I give your effort a C.

They are indeed fascinating creatures.

Who was the one who killed all the women and drank soup from their skulls. He was my favourite, and clearly the best.

Well, it isn't exactly funny.
Which was the point.
I give your effort a C.
Drat. I was aiming for an F.

Bundy.
They are indeed fascinating creatures.

Who was the one who killed all the women and drank soup from their skulls. He was my favourite, and clearly the best.

Youre thinking of Ed Gein. But he only killed one person. Otherwise he was a grave robber.

Strange people to express admiration for.

Strange people to express admiration for.

Fascination is not admiration.

Fascination is not admiration.

Well looking at some of the things people have said maybe you can understand my confusion. Still, strange people to be fascinated by.

Enriqueta “The Vampire of Barcelona” Marti

Late 1800s-early 1900s, Barcelona.

Marti sold curatives for TB or syph to wealthy Spaniards. She also liked to lure young children to her home so she could kill them and use their rendered fat, bones, skin, and hair in her curatives.

Fun lady.

Which was the point.

Drat. I was aiming for an F.
The bar for political humor has been set really low over the past few years. You'd have better luck trying to limbo under a Japanese Dinner table.

So Barack Obama is trying to limbo under a Japanese dinner table, but falls and hits his head. "Obviously," he says, "I am disappointed at this result, and somewhat frustrated and angry with myself, but I will try to do better."

Bundy.


Youre thinking of Ed Gein. But he only killed one person. Otherwise he was a grave robber.

Lazy sod then. Not my favourite any more.

Youre thinking of Ed Gein. But he only killed one person. Otherwise he was a grave robber.
Ed Gein committed at least two murders (that's what he was convicted for, anyway). He also possibly killed his brother, which would qualify him as a serial killer (at least 3 murders over the course of at least 30 days).

No one can match good 'ol Jack, and no one ever will.

Wasn't there something recently about Jack possibly being a woman?

In 2006, an Australian scientist, Ian Findley used swabs from letters allegedly sent to London police from the Ripper to attempt to build a DNA profile of the killer. Findlay, a professor of molecular and forensic diagnostics, claims to have developed a process by which he could extract DNA up to 160 years old from a strand of hair or single cell.

Although the results were "inconclusive" and not forensically reliable, a partial DNA profile was constructed. This led Findlay to believe the Ripper may be female.

In fact, one female was suspected during the Ripper investigations. Mary Pearcey became a suspect after murdering her lover's wife with a similar modus operandi as the Ripper. Mary was convicted and hanged in 1890.


http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d17-Jack-the-Ripper-a-woman

Ed Gein committed at least two murders (that's what he was convicted for, anyway). He also possibly killed his brother, which would qualify him as a serial killer (at least 3 murders over the course of at least 30 days).

3 murders over the course of at least 30 days constitutes a serial killer? Really?

Didn't Ted Bundy do his 20 odd murders over the course of several years?

3 murders over the course of at least 30 days constitutes a serial killer? Really?
That's what is so magical about it, almost anyone can succeed!
Didn't Ted Bundy do his 20 odd murders over the course of several years?
He confessed to 30, but he possibly committed many more. It is also possible that he committed fewer, and simply padded his count by confessing to things he didn't do. Serial killers are tricky like that.
That's why, if I ever start killing people, I am going to keep detailed and exacting records. There will be no questions about my final score.