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Link (http://www.rr.com/home/home/article/9000/6706380/NJ_police_Womans_ex-friends_used_cold_as_weapon)

So far, my money is on that it's about a guy, because honestly, who'd do this over an insurance claim? Also, I'm going to start being a Hell lot nicer to my female friends. >.> <.< One of them could probably already kick my ass.

Revenge is a dish best serve cold. That's why I kill my enemies by locking them in industrial freezers.

Eet eez vairy cohhhhld...in spaaaace.

The women planned the attack for more than a month, Cannella said. The suspects wanted revenge after the 19-year-old sued Crespo's auto insurance carrier after a car accident, he said, adding that he didn't have details about the accident or claim.

So...not only did the victim get hit by this Crespo bitch, but had to sue the insurance company to get compensated, AND suffer frostbite from the bitch and her pals who apparently don't understand how insurance, let alone life, works. Nice.

Interesting headline, but 'cold' can't be a 'weapon'.

Wouldn't in no way have to be over a guy. It's surely a bitch thing to do tho.

Interesting headline, but 'cold' can't be a 'weapon'.

Yes my freind, it can. They dragged her into the woods and left her to freeze to death; that could possibly be construed as attempted murder, they were using cold as the weapon.

Yes my freind, it can. They dragged her into the woods and left her to freeze to death; that could possibly be construed as attempted murder, they were using cold as the weapon.

You pick the dictionary.

Give me the definition of a weapon that would allow 'cold' to fit it.

You pick the dictionary.

Give me the definition of a weapon that would allow 'cold' to fit it.

1. any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon.
2. anything used against an opponent, adversary, or victim: the deadly weapon of satire.
3. Zoology. any part or organ serving for attack or defense, as claws, horns, teeth, or stings.

By the second definition, the cold can be used as a weapon.

1. any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon.
2. anything used against an opponent, adversary, or victim: the deadly weapon of satire.
3. Zoology. any part or organ serving for attack or defense, as claws, horns, teeth, or stings.

By the second definition, the cold can be used as a weapon.

Wrong context, though. The sentence uses the word 'cold' as if it were an actual thing, an object.

"The robbers burst into the bank, armed to the teeth with cold" wouldn't really be an acceptable sentence, now, would it?

Wrong context, though. The sentence uses the word 'cold' as if it were an actual thing, an object.

"The robbers burst into the bank, armed to the teeth with cold" wouldn't really be an acceptable sentence, now, would it?

How often do news agencies use anything in the proper context in a headline, and what bearing does that have on the cold not qualifying as a type of weapon?

How often do news agencies use anything in the proper context in a headline, and what bearing does that have on the cold not qualifying as a type of weapon?

It's not a weapon. Was I just talking to myself?

It's not a weapon. Was I just talking to myself?

Just because it's not something you can physically hold in your hand to assault someone with on a battlefield does not disqualify it from being a weapon. Anything can be used as a weapon when you use it against someone else, words can be a weapon as surely as a shotgun.

Am I talking to myself?

Yes my freind, it can. They dragged her into the woods and left her to freeze to death; that could possibly be construed as attempted murder, they were using cold as the weapon.

actually, not just "construed" but actual attempted murder.

In a situation wherein a person knowingly puts another person in physical danger, when that danger can lead to death - if the person dies, it is considered either manslaughter murder, depending on how the death occurred.

actually, not just "construed" but actual attempted murder.

In a situation wherein a person knowingly puts another person in physical danger, when that danger can lead to death - if the person dies, it is considered either manslaughter murder, depending on how the death occurred.

There are times when for some reason the prosecution goes with something else, so I used the word construed.

I'm just trying to explain to Philosophy how cold was indeed used as a weapon.

Just because it's not something you can physically hold in your hand to assault someone with on a battlefield does not disqualify it from being a weapon. Anything can be used as a weapon when you use it against someone else, words can be a weapon as surely as a shotgun.

Am I talking to myself?

A weapon is a tool. 'Cold' is a state.

I've just been out for a walk in the snow. If I had known that doing so would render me liable to a charge of possession of an offensive weapon, I would have stayed indoors.

A weapon is a tool. 'Cold' is a state.

I've just been out for a walk in the snow. If I had known that doing so would render me liable to a charge of possession of an offensive weapon, I would have stayed indoors.

Yes, yes I am talking to myself.

Yes, yes I am talking to myself.

So you do believe that these people should face an additional count of possessing an offensive weapon?

So you do believe that these people should face an additional count of possessing an offensive weapon?

No, but I do beleive that they should be charged with attempted muder, it was a premeditated act that put the victim at risk to death from hypothermia, or frostbite, or exposure, etc. Despite your defination of the word, cold was indeed the weapon they used to achieve that goal. As I said, not all weapons have to be physically wielded to be used. The Russians used the cold as a weapon against every single army that tried to conquer them.

No, but I do beleive that they should be charged with attempted muder, it was a premeditated act that put the victim at risk to death from hypothermia, or frostbite, or exposure, etc. Despite your defination of the word, cold was indeed the weapon they used to achieve that goal. As I said, not all weapons have to be physically wielded to be used. The Russians used the cold as a weapon against every single army that tried to conquer them.

I didn't comment on whether or not this was attempted murder. I would simply say that cold was the 'means' to attain their goal, not the 'weapon'.

I didn't comment on whether or not this was attempted murder. I would simply say that cold was the 'means' to attain their goal, not the 'weapon'.

In the end it means the same thing, especially by the definition I provided. Cold is not a weapon you physically wield but it still has use as a weapon via a slightly different way.

I agree with the Saint on this. If you don't believe me come to Alaska. I will take you out in the woods and drop you off. The cold will kill you just as easily as any knife or gun, and by kicking you out of my warm car I am wielding it against you.

Interesting headline, but 'cold' can't be a 'weapon'.

Try telling that to a white dragon.

http://www.testriffic.com/resultfiles/14851white-dragon.jpg

It's not a weapon. Was I just talking to myself?

No, but you are talking as though you've never heard the word "metaphor".

A weapon is a tool. 'Cold' is a state.

I've just been out for a walk in the snow. If I had known that doing so would render me liable to a charge of possession of an offensive weapon, I would have stayed indoors.

You can't be this deliberately obtuse, can you? If "cold" can only be thought of as a state, that means you think that it has no physical properties whatsoever that would affect a human body. Next time you go out for a walk, do it in a pair of shorts and nothing else. Tell me -- what is it that's turning your skin purple? Now, imagine (though I'm starting to wonder if you can) that, instead of electing to walk nearly naked in that weather, that someone busted into your house, stripped you to your shorts, took you miles away into a relatively untraveled area and left you there to walk back, with the mercury at 8F. The woman in the OP had her cell phone, at least.

If the temperature were 80F, you'd have no problem walking back (well, some problem if the kidnapper didn't allow you shoes). So what's the difference between life and potential death? About 70F worth of ABSENCE OF WARMTH. Also known as COLD. Without the cold, it's a pain in the ass to get home and just a short kidnapping. WITH the cold, it's attempted murder. Therefore, the weapon of choice in this case was the weather.

Is it really all that hard to conceive of an attempted murderer COUNTING on that cold to kill someone without a conventional murder weapon?

What's next for you? Does a lake not count as a weapon in a deliberate drowning? Just because something is used out of its typical context to kill doesn't mean it can't be referred to as the "murder weapon". Out of curiosity, what would you have listed as the mode of assault in this case? Criminal negligence?

I can't believe the first motorist who went by didn't drive her to a hospital.

I can't believe the first motorist who went by didn't drive her to a hospital.

I can't believe that either. That's almost as amazing as her so called friends. Now I am curious can these women be tried for attempted murder? If one were to lock someone in a freezer of the same temperature it would be. Am I wrong here?

A weapon is a tool. 'Cold' is a state.

I've just been out for a walk in the snow. If I had known that doing so would render me liable to a charge of possession of an offensive weapon, I would have stayed indoors.
Did someone drive you out into the woods in a torn evening dress and high heeled shoe and dump you out sans coat and phone? No?

Then certainly it's not the same thing, and they were trying to use the cold to harm or kill her; hence "cold as a weapon".

I can't believe the first motorist who went by didn't drive her to a hospital.

I can't believe that either. That's almost as amazing as her so called friends. Now I am curious can these women be tried for attempted murder? If one were to lock someone in a freezer of the same temperature it would be. Am I wrong here?

Sadly, I can -- because someone staggering out in the middle of nowhere might have an accomplice waiting for you to stop and pick them up, then carjack you.

I hope I'd be a better person and risk it though. I certainly would pick up the cell and call the police, if nothing else. The first motorist who "let her use the cell phone" and drive away is just an irresponsible git. If you're going to stop and open the car to hand her a cell, let her in!

Interesting headline, but 'cold' can't be a 'weapon'.

[mad scientist] What about my freeze-ray??? [/mad scientist]

[mad scientist] What about my freeze-ray??? [/mad scientist]

Or my 9th level wizards cone of cold spell!?