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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/politics/29whitehouse.html?_r=2

WASHINGTON — The capital flew into a bit of a tizzy when, on his first full day in the White House, President Obama was photographed in the Oval Office without his suit jacket. There was, however, a logical explanation: Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat.

“He’s from Hawaii, O.K.?” said Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.”

Wait a minute... I thought he told us back during the election:

Pitching his message to Oregon’s environmentally-conscious voters, Obama called on the United States to “lead by example” on global warming, and develop new technologies at home which could be exported to developing countries.

“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said.

“That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added.

Well, he got that last part right. It isn't leadership.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/politics/29whitehouse.html?_r=2



Wait a minute... I thought he told us back during the election:



Well, he got that last part right. It isn't leadership.
And this is what? Unexpected? Unusual? Unprecedented? Obama is a fraud and has demonstrated it time and time again.

Although, considering the audience, this is probably just an "honest mistake". Kind of like not doing your taxes, or employing illegal aliens...

He is the President now if he wants it boiling hot he can have it boiling hot he isnt paying for the energy anyway.

*Grabs popcorn*

The guy turns up the heater and the conservatives jump all over it.

Obama has heating on high when he supports saving energy? THE HYPOCRISY! HOW CAN WE TRUST SUCH A MAN TO LEAD OUR NATION!

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c360/amydelune/Sigs/omg_onoz.gif

Really this is just pitiful tbh.

The president decides the temperature in the white house? Do they not have custodial staff or something?

The guy turns up the heater and the conservatives jump all over it.
But Jimmy Carter put on a sweater and installed a wood furnace, and conservatives jumped all over that.
You just can't win, can you?

Obama still requires body heat for effective biological functions, just like every OTHER president!

WHERE'S THE CHANGE OBAMA?

Omigod!

The US president is a failure!

He likes to keep warm at work.

You guys shoulda voted for the other guy.

But Jimmy Carter put on a sweater and installed a wood furnace, and conservatives jumped all over that.
You just can't win, can you?

I suppose not. If its any consolation I turned mine down to 50, he can keep his at 72.

The president decides the temperature in the white house? Do they not have custodial staff or something?
I would be very surprised to learn that the President's comfort is subjected to the whims of Groundskeeper Willy. Even I control the temperature in my room, and I'm a lower-than-mud Undergraduate.

Well, he got that last part right. It isn't leadership.

Didn't Virginia vote for Obama? That was funny. Did you think it was funny? I did.

The president decides the temperature in the white house? Do they not have custodial staff or something?

Well he may have said he wanted it warmer, I certainly hope he isn't going around taking control of it completely next he will be drawing up rosters for the White House tennis courts himself.

Obama still requires body heat for effective biological functions, just like every OTHER president!

WHERE'S THE CHANGE OBAMA?

The change is in his appetite for human flesh!!!!!!!!!!

The change is in his appetite for human flesh!!!!!!!!!!

pft please, that's nothing new. Just look at Zombie Lincoln.

That makes no sense. If Obama was a zombie, he would want the temperature to be reduced to preserve his flesh.

If Obama were Satan in disguise on the other hand...

If Obama were Satan in disguise on the other hand...

Well he is the Anti-Christ.

If Obama were Satan in disguise on the other hand...

it is a well known fact that Muslims are cold blooded.

It's true, I read it in the writings of emminent Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand

Honestly, I'm quite happy. If the best the conservatives can come up with is "zomg, he turns the heat up," we're in for a smooth 4-8 years.

Honestly, I'm quite happy. If the best the conservatives can come up with is "zomg, he turns the heat up," we're in for a smooth 4-8 years.

you know, I was just thinking that. Seriously, it's a fantastic transition from bad president to good one.

"Bush used his office for political gain, manipulated the system, awarded cronyism in ways that endangered human health and safety, compromised the judicial systems, took actions that have been presumptively determined to be unconstitutional, lied to the american public, and quite possibly committed war crimes"

"yeah, well, Obama turned the thermostat up. Suck on THAT ONE liberals!"

Didn't Virginia vote for Obama? That was funny. Did you think it was funny? I did.

It would have been just as bad to vote for McCain. Don't you think that's funny?

It would have been just as bad to vote for McCain.

No, no that would have been much, much worse.

I though heaven had been shown to be hotter than hell? ,)

joking aside, I too like to not freeze my buttocks off.
I do not think he will jeopardize the climate on his own,
but saying they should lead by example and then do this is actually somewhat morally ambiguous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/politics/29whitehouse.html?_r=2



Wait a minute... I thought he told us back during the election:



Well, he got that last part right. It isn't leadership.

Lol. Troll.

Well, I for one am glad we're out of the honeymoon period of ridiculous fluff stories and on to having well informed objective debates on the real substance of the Barrack presidency.

That makes no sense. If Obama was a zombie, he would want the temperature to be reduced to preserve his flesh.

If Obama were Satan in disguise on the other hand...
Most of Hell is very cold, and Satan is buried up to his waste in ice.
Obama's predilections indicate, rather, that he is Heatmiser in disguise. I hope all you Obama voters are going to be happy when he melts the north pole, raising the temperature to 110 degrees, and melts all our digging tools.

So the room is kept at 22°C, which is around about the average for room temperature...


That inhumane bastard!

Doesn't this mean he probably won't be cranking the AC come summer? Also don't most houses heat with natural gas rather than electricity? Fairly sure natural gas burns cleaner than coal.

So the room is kept at 22°C, which is around about the average for room temperature...
Well, actually 18-20C is "more" normal, 22 sounds a degree or two too warm.


Though, personally I prefer lower rather than higher temperatures myself...so much so that friends visiting oft carry wool socks along. :tongue:


edit:
Also don't most houses heat with natural gas rather than electricity? Fairly sure natural gas burns cleaner than coal.
Archaic, so archaic. :p

Teleheating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating) and geothermal heat pumps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump) ftw.

Why do you hate freedom?
:(

Well, actually 18-20C is "more" normal, 22 sounds a degree or two too warm.


Though, personally I prefer lower rather than higher temperatures myself...so much so that friends visiting oft carry wool socks along. :tongue:


edit:

Archaic, so archaic. :p

Teleheating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating) and geothermal heat pumps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump) ftw.

Gotta remember the white house is fucking old. Not sure it could support something like that.

No, it isn't freedom any more. It's, "Why do you hate hope?" :tongue:

No, it isn't freedom any more. It's, "Why do you hate hope?" :tongue:

Nah that got replaced by:

"Where's the change?!"

Gotta remember the white house is fucking old. Not sure it could support something like that.
:eek:
you're a dirty poster.
No, it isn't freedom any more. It's, "Why do you hate hope?" :tongue:
Clearly i'm behind the times already, and it's only been a week
Nah that got replaced by:

"Where's the change?!"
in the Chinese Banks loaning monies to US banks, because the US banks got greedy, and then the wonders of the world had a race, but they couldn't finish it because the banks stole all the money so the Wonders of the world chased them, but the banks escaped to the moon. But it's okay because the banks can't spend the money on the moon.
yah that's where your change is.

When you are reduced to looking through the President's old speeches looking for minor contradictions to nitpick, and then attacking him for daring to turn his thermostat up during the winter as proof that he is a fraud, maybe its time to admit your political movement is dead.

Jesus Christ, the Republicans got a royal ass-kicking last November. They pulled out all the cheap shots, the race-baiting, the mob-raising, the slander, and they simply crashed and burned faster. Sadly, if shit like this is anything to go by, many on the Right have learned absolutely nothing.

I look forward to 2012. :D

Gotta remember the white house is fucking old. Not sure it could support something like that.

Well, if the heating system already has pipes - that is, heating is based on some sort of water circulation system, aka central heating - you can replace the "heater" - be it oil, electric or gas boiler - with any energy source.

Teleheating using excess heat from power plants is very common here and can be applied to various power sources, from coal to nuclear power. The heat pump system is OTOH a local alternative which would require a rather big investment but would be very cheap to use and very green alternative in the long run.

As for current system the other alternatives I can think of are...
- Fireplaces: White house may be old but heating system is probably not that archaic :tongue:
- Direct electric heating: Inefficient and unlikely.
- Air circulation using air vents: Umm...No?
- What else? I'm not an HVAC engineer dammit!


btw. Quick googling came across with this (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE2DF113BF937A1575BC0A960948260):
White House Will Not Replace Solar Water-Heating System

Published: August 24, 1986

The Reagan Administration says it will not replace a solar water-heating system that was installed in the White House in the Carter Administration.

The panels of the system had been dismantled to fix the roof underneath. Dale A. Petroskey, a White House spokesman, said Friday, ''Putting them back up would be very unwise, based on cost.''

you know, I was just thinking that. Seriously, it's a fantastic transition from bad president to good one.

"Bush used his office for political gain, manipulated the system, awarded cronyism in ways that endangered human health and safety, compromised the judicial systems, took actions that have been presumptively determined to be unconstitutional, lied to the american public, and quite possibly committed war crimes"

"yeah, well, Obama turned the thermostat up. Suck on THAT ONE liberals!"

I'm fairly confident that unless Obama screws up massively and/or something else quite big and unexpected happens, the GOP will crash and burn again in 4 years. And if demographic shifts keep going the way the are, its not impossible that the GOP will be relegated to permanent and shrinking minority status.

The only downside is that eventually a large portion of the GOP will probably realize that they have no legitimate political future, and will turn to less acceptable means of pushing their cartoonish stupidity on the rest of the world. Of course, we already got a taste of that with the shouts of things like "n****r" and "kill him" at Palin rallies.

I'm fairly confident that unless Obama screws up massively and/or something else quite big and unexpected happens, the GOP will crash and burn again in 4 years. And if demographic shifts keep going the way the are, its not impossible that the GOP will be relegated to permanent and shrinking minority status.

The only downside is that eventually a large portion of the GOP will probably realize that they have no legitimate political future, and will turn to less acceptable means of pushing their cartoonish stupidity on the rest of the world. Of course, we already got a taste of that with the shouts of things like "n****r" and "kill him" at Palin rallies.

A single party, or even two parties where one is laughably weak isn't a good thing for the country. We need more parties, not less. Maybe the Republicans will split in two and we'll get three decent parties.

Democrats
Fiscal Conservatives
Fucking Whackjob Religious nutters

A single party, or even two parties where one is laughably weak isn't a good thing for the country. We need more parties, not less. Maybe the Republicans will split in two and we'll get three decent parties.

Democrats
Fiscal Conservatives
Fucking Whackjob Religious nutters

I agree that this is about the best resolution we can hope for in the near future. In fact, its probably the only one which does not ultimately lead to civil war. It is my opinion that the Democrat's long term game should revolve specifically around engineering such a split in the GOP. Frankly though, probably the only way that's going to happen is to smash the GOP in every election until some of its saner members get tired of losing and force a change or break in the Party leadership.

I wish a libertarian like Ron Paul would run as an Independent/third party candidate, and split off a chunk of the Republican base. Who knows, they might split off a fair few democrats as well, especially if Obama falls short of people's absurdly high expectations. Result: a defunct wack-job GOP, a strong Democratic Party, and a viable and perhaps at least marginally sane alternative Party.

Though your senario is not three decent parties; its two good parties and the Klan Party.

waitwaitwait...

"He's from Hawaii" is no excuse!

Didn't he live for several years in Il? and elsewhere for years before that? I mean yeah, he lived in Hawaii till he graduated from High School, but he attened Columbia and Harvard, both much colder and lived in Il.

I would think he should be used to the cold by now. :p

waitwaitwait...

"He's from Hawaii" is no excuse!

Didn't he live for several years in Il? and elsewhere for years before that? I mean yeah, he lived in Hawaii till he graduated from High School, but he attened Columbia and Harvard, both much colder and lived in Il.

I would think he should be used to the cold by now. :p

i bet he kept the heat jacked when he lived in chicago. most of the natives can barely take the weather.

Does anyone know how the whitehouse gets its power?

My google fu seems a little lacking today. :(

Hypocrisy much? Also, if McCain had said something like that in the election, I wonder if there would be this very thread on NSG, with tons of posters banging on about how he's not doing what he said he'd do.

Hypocrisy much? Also, if McCain had said something like that in the election, I wonder if there would be this very thread on NSG, with tons of posters banging on about how he's not doing what he said he'd do.

Probably, and it would be just as unjustified. Fortunately, we liberals don't need to resort to such cheap shots. The GOP, on the other hand, has little left. It comes with being a morally, intellectually, and politically bankrupt party.

Seriously, this kind of attack just reeks of political desperation.

i bet he kept the heat jacked when he lived in chicago. most of the natives can barely take the weather.

That still doesn't make the excuse "He's from Hawaii." plausible.

just be honest. "He's cold and he doesn't like sweaters." :p

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/politics/29whitehouse.html?_r=2



Wait a minute... I thought he told us back during the election:



Well, he got that last part right. It isn't leadership.

Change you can believe in huh? Change everyone can believe in.

The guy turns up the heater and the conservatives jump all over it.

lol.

And if he didn't? Well the response would be, "But he promised CHANGE, and the temperature is STAYING THE SAME. This makes him a FRAUD as we, the trolls of NSG, have always claimed! LOL DARK LORD OF MORDORRRRR!"

lol.

And if he didn't? Well the response would be, "But he promised CHANGE, and the temperature is STAYING THE SAME. This makes him a FRAUD as we, the trolls of NSG, have always claimed! LOL DARK LORD OF MORDORRRRR!"

fort sumpter, fort sumpter!

Does anyone know how the whitehouse gets its power?

My google fu seems a little lacking today. :(

I highly doubt that you will get accurate information about the energy sources of the White House freely available on the internet. Think security measures.

It's probably isolated from the public grid, has redundancy features, and can be sustained with on-site fuel for a long time. Several options fit this criteria. Some are environmentally friendlier than others. But security will be the important thing.

Wait a minute... I thought he told us back during the election:


Well, he got that last part right. It isn't leadership.

The fuck? This isn't leadership? As compared to Bush I guess?

And the fuck? Seriously? Fucking seriously? Is that all you've got?

Wow.

Pathetic.

I highly doubt that you will get accurate information about the energy sources of the White House freely available on the internet. Think security measures.

It's probably isolated from the public grid, has redundancy features, and can be sustained with on-site fuel for a long time. Several options fit this criteria. Some are environmentally friendlier than others. But security will be the important thing.

It is at least partially solar powered.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990DE3D7153CF934A15751C0A9659C8B63

WHERE'S THE-

Obama still requires body heat for effective biological functions, just like every OTHER president!

WHERE'S THE CHANGE OBAMA?

You are my Everest.

Seriously though, this is it? No questions of constitutional violation? No war crimes? Not even an accusation of terrorist sympathy?

This is shitty effort by the Right. I'm giving them an "Incomplete" on this assignment.

And this is what? Unexpected? Unusual? Unprecedented? Obama is a fraud and has demonstrated it time and time again.

Why given the man's track record during these long ten days in office... I mean, how many chances are we supposed to give him? The US has been fighting two wars on his watch, and he hasn't created peace in the middle east as he indicated that he would try to do! He's never even left Washington DC during his presidency so far! And damn, the fact is that 50,000 jobs have been lost during every monday of the Obama presidency!

Where's the change?? WE DON'T SEE IT!! FRAUD! FARUD! FNORD!

He's really a white muslim woman, the anti-christ, and he never said the oath of office properly so Bush is still president!

Mind you, he's be a better president if he'd familiarized himself with the writings of the eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher-for-more-than-two-weeks Ayn Rand.

WHERE'S THE-



You are my Everest.

If it helps, just consider me more the slacker than you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/politics/29whitehouse.html?_r=2



Wait a minute... I thought he told us back during the election:



Well, he got that last part right. It isn't leadership.
And this is what? Unexpected? Unusual? Unprecedented? Obama is a fraud and has demonstrated it time and time again.

Although, considering the audience, this is probably just an "honest mistake". Kind of like not doing your taxes, or employing illegal aliens...


When you are both ready to stop acting like children and actually engage in real discussion, rather then constant bitching and whining about how you go your asses kicked in November because your party fucked up so badly, Ill take you seriously.

Until then, your opinions are worthless. This is just trolling. Neither of you are interested in discussion about this, or anything Obama will probably ever do.

You know, when I first read this story yesterday I actually did think, "Now c'mon man...", especially after he was saying something about Chicago toughness in regards to the cold weather. I'll grant it's a check against. A small one, like how you're still friends with that guy who has Britney Spears first album but otherwise is an okay guy. Every once in while you just have to give him a "Dude...really?" Hardly a 'failed presidency, total fraud!" kind of thing...but them, I'm not desperately grasping at straws, so I got that going on...

If it helps, just consider me more the slacker than you.

It helps a little bit.

:
Pitching his message to Oregon’s environmentally-conscious voters, Obama called on the United States to “lead by example” on global warming, and develop new technologies at home which could be exported to developing countries.

“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said.

“That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added.
Well, he got that last part right. It isn't leadership.


Way to miss the disclaimer.

It helps a little bit.

besides, you have a fallout avatar, which automatically makes you far more awesome than I.

Let's, for one moment, assume Obama's a hypocrite.

Now let's list the flaws shown by him, Bush and McCain so far:

Obama:

Hypocrite.

Bush:

Warmonger.
Torturer.
Criminal.
Stupid.
Unethical.
Careless.
Malicious.
True Believer.
Etc.

McCain:

Panderer.
Short-tempered.
Bush clone.
Violent.
Warmonger.
Unprincipled.
Senile.
Etc.

Even assuming this piece of straw-grasping has a point, I'm still taking Obama.

The Right's desperation and powerlessness, however? Delicious. You have no idea how much I'm enjoying this. Your turn is over. Now it's OUR TURN.

besides, you have a fallout avatar, which automatically makes you far more awesome than I.

I...I have a confession to make. I've been living a lie, you see. I got this Fallout avatar off of Bethesda's website when they were promoting Fallout 3. I--I know it was wrong, but it just seemed a higher-quality image than any of the old Interplay versions that I found, but that doesn't make it right!

*weeps openly*

I...I have a confession to make. I've been living a lie, you see. I got this Fallout avatar off of Bethesda's website when they were promoting Fallout 3. I--I know it was wrong, but it just seemed a higher-quality image than any of the old Interplay versions that I found, but that doesn't make it right!

*weeps openly*

Please tell me this is a joke.

Why given the man's track record during these long ten days in office... I mean, how many chances are we supposed to give him? The US has been fighting two wars on his watch, and he hasn't created peace in the middle east as he indicated that he would try to do! He's never even left Washington DC during his presidency so far! And damn, the fact is that 50,000 jobs have been lost during every monday of the Obama presidency!

Where's the change?? WE DON'T SEE IT!! FRAUD! FARUD! FNORD!

Been watching Colbert, I see?;)

I highly doubt that you will get accurate information about the energy sources of the White House freely available on the internet. Think security measures.

It's probably isolated from the public grid, has redundancy features, and can be sustained with on-site fuel for a long time. Several options fit this criteria. Some are environmentally friendlier than others. But security will be the important thing.

I can't see why they would be fully isolated form the grid. Backups in case power is lost would make sense.

I...I have a confession to make. I've been living a lie, you see. I got this Fallout avatar off of Bethesda's website when they were promoting Fallout 3. I--I know it was wrong, but it just seemed a higher-quality image than any of the old Interplay versions that I found, but that doesn't make it right!

*weeps openly*

Oh come now. Fallout 3 is different from the otehrs, yes, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a fun game on its own merits. (Even if the ending was... dumb. Why can't Fawkes do it?!)

I...I have a confession to make. I've been living a lie, you see. I got this Fallout avatar off of Bethesda's website when they were promoting Fallout 3. I--I know it was wrong, but it just seemed a higher-quality image than any of the old Interplay versions that I found, but that doesn't make it right!

*weeps openly*
I'll weep because Fallout 3 keeps crashing on my computer, and I don't know why :(

Been watching Colbert, I see?;)
Jon Oliver with Jon Stewart on the Daily Show, actually :tongue:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=216996&title=Obama%27s-Smug-Little-Bubble

I'll weep because Fallout 3 keeps crashing on my computer, and I don't know why :(


Jon Oliver with Jon Stewart on the Daily Show, actually :tongue:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=216996&title=Obama%27s-Smug-Little-Bubble

Damn it.:headbang:

Jon Oliver with Jon Stewart on the Daily Show, actually :tongue:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=216996&title=Obama%27s-Smug-Little-Bubble

I can only see the Daily Show online. Why won't some Finnish network buy it from Comedy Central?

I'll weep because Fallout 3 keeps crashing on my computer, and I don't know why :(

Because it's too good for shitty computers, and must be played in its full majesty on Xbox.

Because it's too good for shitty computers, and must be played in its full majesty on Xbox.

360s graphics are inferior to the graphics of a high end PC or a PS3. 360 is the top of the bottom shelf, but its still the bottom shelf.

Please tell me this is a joke.

Which part?

Oh come now. Fallout 3 is different from the otehrs, yes, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a fun game on its own merits. (Even if the ending was... dumb. Why can't Fawkes do it?!)

Oh Heavens, yes. I absolutely <3 Fallout 3--even if FO1&2 were essentially scripture from on High.

But they're fixing the ending in the Broken Steel DLC in March. Also Fawkes couldn't do it because companions came in last after everything else was done. They know it makes no sense.

360s graphics are inferior to the graphics of a high end PC or a PS3. 360 is the top of the bottom shelf, but its still the bottom shelf.

The PS3 version is the shittiest looking version. I don't know why, the PS3 should be looking the best, right? It doesn't.

The PS3 version is the shittiest looking version. I don't know why, the PS3 should be looking the best, right? It doesn't.

It looks the second best if you play it on an LCD-TV/HD-TV.

And a high end PC will blow them all out of the water. The graphics capabilities of them are higher then a counsel will ever be able to achieve.

But when I say 'high end' Im talking a 3 grand minimum here :p

Which part?



Oh Heavens, yes. I absolutely <3 Fallout 3--even if FO1&2 were essentially scripture from on High.

But they're fixing the ending in the Broken Steel DLC in March. Also Fawkes couldn't do it because companions came in last after everything else was done. They know it makes no sense.

Doesn't matter, I already got my answer. Damn I gotta get MS points and buy Operation:Anchorage.

360s graphics are inferior to the graphics of a high end PC or a PS3. 360 is the top of the bottom shelf, but its still the bottom shelf.

Oh well, I settle for the 360 because I don't have a good enough PC.

Oh well, I settle for the 360 because I don't have a good enough PC.

Dont get me wrong. The 360 is a great platform with merits of its own. However, if we're talking sheer graphic capability and hardware power, it ranks in at number 3.


Thats not to say its graphics are bad. Theyre not. Theyre phenominal. They just have the lower potential.

I can only see the Daily Show online. Why won't some Finnish network buy it from Comedy Central?
Because it's better for you to watch it online, and spend less time in front of the telly :wink:

Because it's too good for shitty computers, and must be played in its full majesty on Xbox.

But I have a computer with better hardware than a mere Xbox. :/

you know, I was just thinking that. Seriously, it's a fantastic transition from bad president to good one.

"Bush used his office for political gain, manipulated the system, awarded cronyism in ways that endangered human health and safety, compromised the judicial systems, took actions that have been presumptively determined to be unconstitutional, lied to the american public, and quite possibly committed war crimes"

"yeah, well, Obama turned the thermostat up. Suck on THAT ONE liberals!"

So... wait a minute... you're comparing the criticism of a President who's been in office for ten days to a President that had served for two full terms? Do you think there were many valid criticism's of Bush Presidential conduct after ten days? Doubtful.

Way to miss the scale of reasonable comparison completely though....

So... wait a minute... you're comparing the criticism of a President who's been in office for ten days to a President that had served for two full terms? Do you think there were many valid criticism's of Bush Presidential conduct after ten days? Doubtful.

Way to miss the scale of reasonable comparison completely though....

You totally missed the point. The point is, its funny to watch the Busheviks critisize Obama, when really, at the moment, there is no comparison.

But, I understand why you felt the need to attack phantoms and defend Dear Leader and his Loyal Followers.

Dont get me wrong. The 360 is a great platform with merits of its own. However, if we're talking sheer graphic capability and hardware power, it ranks in at number 3.


Thats not to say its graphics are bad. Theyre not. Theyre phenominal.

Yeah, the worst part about it is Microsoft's money milking.

Because it's better for you to watch it online, and spend less time in front of the telly :wink:


I guess I'll just take what I can.

It looks the second best if you play it on an LCD-TV/HD-TV.

Nope. Check out the comparison screens online. The PS3 version is the buggiest and shittiest looking version. Period.

I can't see why they would be fully isolated form the grid. Backups in case power is lost would make sense.

Because it's a lot easier to knock out the grid, or attack the WH system through any connection to the grid. If you have two or three energy sources isolated from the grid, you have redundancy and security.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/politics/29whitehouse.html?_r=2

Wait a minute... I thought he told us back during the election:

Well, he got that last part right. It isn't leadership.

The Oval Office isn't his home.

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Because it's a lot easier to knock out the grid, or attack the WH system through any connection to the grid. If you have two or three energy sources isolated from the grid, you have redundancy and security.

An uninterrupted power supply if the grid is knocked out is easy, we have one at work and all you notice if power to the building is lost is a slight dimming of the lights for about 10 seconds while on the batteries until the generators come up to speed.

How does one attack a bulding/systems through a power supply?

The Oval Office isn't his home.

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no, it's not. it's ONE ROOM of his home.

He reads several papers, eats breakfast with his family and helps pack his daughters, Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7, off to school before making the 30-second commute downstairs

I like the looser atmosphere he's trying to create.
“Hey, Lisa,” Mr. Obama called out to his staff secretary, Lisa Brown, “does she get this pen?” :D

no, it's not. it's ONE ROOM of his home.


The Oval Office is his workplace, and probably counts as a government workplace. It also serves several 'non-home' political/business/conference type functions.

An uninterrupted power supply if the grid is knocked out is easy, we have one at work and all you notice if power to the building is lost is a slight dimming of the lights for about 10 seconds while on the batteries until the generators come up to speed.

How does one attack a bulding/systems through a power supply?

Haven't you ever seen a single horror movie ever? One of the first things they do is cut the power!

"What do you mean "THEY cut the power"? How could they cut the power, man? They're animals!"

Ten days in office, and no gold-farting unicorns yet. We DO have eight hundered billion in money that's about to be spent paying back contributors to the Party, though-with about five percent going to the economy...but hey, he's from Chicago.

This is a non-story.

An uninterrupted power supply if the grid is knocked out is easy, we have one at work and all you notice if power to the building is lost is a slight dimming of the lights for about 10 seconds while on the batteries until the generators come up to speed.

How does one attack a bulding/systems through a power supply?

I'm sure that there are several ways. The easiest way that I could thinkwould be to simply send a power surge into the building, or cut off the power supply. While it may not be fully isolated as technological measures probably exist to defend against power surges and other attacks, it would simply be easier to design a system that does not depend on an exterior supply.

The Oval Office is his workplace, and probably counts as a government workplace. It also serves several 'non-home' political/business/conference type functions.

but it's still part of his home. ;)

Ten days in office, and no gold-farting unicorns yet. We DO have eight hundered billion in money that's about to be spent paying back contributors to the Party, though-with about five percent going to the economy...but hey, he's from Chicago.

This is a non-story.

I say. thanks for the image of Smelly gold... :p

**giggles at the niggling, pathetic criticism to which opponents of Obama have descended**

but it's still part of his home. ;)

Only because he lives in the goldcard-member equivalent of the 'flat above the shop'.

But, seriously - the trollfest hinges on an apparent contradiction that the sources didn't support. Obama said something about homes at 72 degrees, and the article is talking about the temperature he currently keeps his workplace. There's no contradiction there.

I keep my home at 64 degrees, but my employers keep the workplace at 72. Does that make me a hipocrit about my home temperature?

If Obama had a walk-in freezer as one of the rooms he had to work in, would we be hearing bitching about the sub-zero temperature?

Only because he lives in the goldcard-member equivalent of the 'flat above the shop'.

But, seriously - the trollfest hinges on an apparent contradiction that the sources didn't support. Obama said something about homes at 72 degrees, and the article is talking about the temperature he currently keeps his workplace. There's no contradiction there.

I keep my home at 64 degrees, but my employers keep the workplace at 72. Does that make me a hipocrit about my home temperature?

If Obama had a walk-in freezer as one of the rooms he had to work in, would we be hearing bitching about the sub-zero temperature?

First, I think Obama should put on a sweater. I happen to agree he should turn down the temp.

Second, he specifically mentioned at all times. It's a frequent suggestion by those who wish for people to conserve energy that you turn down the heat slightly when you are not at home or are sleeping. I know a lot of people, including myself, who do so. Many office buildings are set to turn off the heat and air during weekends and evenings.

Now, if they tell me he's keeping it at 72 at night, then he's a friggin' hypocrite, albeit in a rather nonconcerning way.

It would have been just as bad to vote for McCain. Don't you think that's funny?

Fucken hilarious actually. I can see pick-ups spontaneously combusting with the sheer hellish dilemma of it....

Only because he lives in the goldcard-member equivalent of the 'flat above the shop'.
or more like those who work from home.

But, seriously - the trollfest hinges on an apparent contradiction that the sources didn't support. Obama said something about homes at 72 degrees, and the article is talking about the temperature he currently keeps his workplace. There's no contradiction there.and if you read the article... it was more about his style, not the tempurature.

I keep my home at 64 degrees, but my employers keep the workplace at 72. Does that make me a hipocrit about my home temperature?

If Obama had a walk-in freezer as one of the rooms he had to work in, would we be hearing bitching about the sub-zero temperature?

err... as the President, He IS the Boss! :tongue: So your statement would be...
I keep my home at 64 degrees, but I keep the workplace at my home at 72.

err... as the President, He IS the Boss! :tongue: So your statement would be...

Which is reasonable. Again - the walk-in freezer argument.

Assume I say I keep my home at 72 degrees.

Assume my job involves keeping a room at 0 degrees.

The room where I do my job isn't at 72 degrees. Does that make my initial statement wrong?

First, I think Obama should put on a sweater. I happen to agree he should turn down the temp.


I agree... kind of.

The Oval Office isn't just where Obama goes to hang out. It's where he does that thing he does. It might be where he meets-and-greets, so to speak... or bangs heads against other politicians. It might be where he conferences, takes meetings, hears briefings... etc.

As such - the workplace is designed to accomodate the function... and that's a different function to the function of his 'home'... even if the room is IN the building that houses him.

As a secondary thought, just occuring to me... I don't mind if Obama wants to keep the temperature at a level that lets him strip down to a shirt. If he'll work better without a jacket on, bring him cushions and cocoa if that's what he needs.

By the same token, I wouldn't have cared if Bush had worked in Bermuda shorts and a string vest, and sat heatlamps on the desk.


Now, if they tell me he's keeping it at 72 at night, then he's a friggin' hypocrite, albeit in a rather nonconcerning way.

Meh... the Oval Office is a 24/7 office.

I feel sorry for people so obsessive that they automatically declare that anyone they don't like is the Antigandhi and search for the most frivolous reasons to back it up.

And as for consolew ars, the PC version almost always wins due to mods. As a randomly picked example in Oblivion, PS3 and X360 owners are stuck with a loincloth on their character even if she's wearing nothing. But the PC has a version to remove that. :D (and then there are all the addons and better-graphics mods and...)

So the oval office is warmer then the rest of the Whitehouse?

Ok this complaint is rather pathetic.

Aand Bushevism proudly marches on in defiance of Sauron Obama and his ambitions to rule Middle America.

Aand Bushevism proudly marches on in defiance of Sauron Obama and his ambitions to rule Middle America.

Lol!:D
Sigged!

I say. thanks for the image of Smelly gold... :p

I only wish I'd thought of it first-I must blame the Denizens of Castle Aarrrgh for the Unicorn crack.

But seriously, dude's from Chicago, which makes Arkansas politics (hell, Louisiana's politics) look clean by comparison. How the Obamessiah heats his office during a cold snap in our "Warmest decade in global history" is really a non-starter, both politically (nobody cares, Hypocrisy is how Democrats roll and everyone already knew that), and in terms of "Human interest".

It's like Bush Senior's dislike of Broccoli-it's a non-story that isn't even useful as Satire bait. For political entertainment purposes, it's a lot more fun to poke at his tax-evading SecTreas appointment, or the way that his 'change' is more-of-the-same but with a bigger credit bill.

For political entertainment purposes, it's a lot more fun to poke at his tax-evading SecTreas appointment, or the way that his 'change' is more-of-the-same but with a bigger credit bill.

Wasn't the 'tax evasion' actually a discrepancy over state boundaries?

But seriously, dude's from Chicago, which makes Arkansas politics (hell, Louisiana's politics) look clean by comparison. How the Obamessiah heats his office during a cold snap in our "Warmest decade in global history" is really a non-starter, both politically (nobody cares, Hypocrisy is how Politicians roll and everyone already knew that), and in terms of "Human interest".
Corrected. :p

Which is reasonable. Again - the walk-in freezer argument.

Assume I say I keep my home at 72 degrees.

Assume my job involves keeping a room at 0 degrees.

The room where I do my job isn't at 72 degrees. Does that make my initial statement wrong?
yes. in the sense that the statement is wrong.
Does it make you a Hypocrite? no
Does it make any statement about keeping your home at 72 degrees to save money wrong? no. (I never said Obama was wrong at keeping his office at a higher temp. I just said it's wrong to say "it's ok because he's from Hawaii.")

So the oval office is warmer then the rest of the Whitehouse?

Ok this complaint is rather pathetic.

It's warmer because Obama is really Satan and he can't stand the cold.

It's warmer because Obama is really Satan and he can't stand the cold.

Wait, I thought Obama was really Sauron, Dark Atheist/Socialist Caliph of Mordor.

Wait, I thought Obama was really Sauron, Dark Atheist/Socialist Caliph of Mordor.

No, he's the combined soul of Hitler and Stalin reincarnated. Staller. Or Hitlin. Whichever you prefer.

No, he's the combined soul of Hitler and Stalin reincarnated. Staller. Or Hitlin. Whichever you prefer.Stitler?

No, he's the combined soul of Hitler and Stalin reincarnated. Staller. Or Hitlin. Whichever you prefer.

So he stalls people. And airplanes.

I dont see a problem with him warming up the whitehouse...I mean, id take my jacket off at 72 even, lol...

not to mention isnt he already going to be revamping the the utilities there to make them more efficient?

Stitler?

Everyone knows Stitler's Mom is hot.

Stitler?

I was thinkin Shitlin, lol

Stitler?

No, that's the combined soul of Hitler and Stiffler from the american pie movies. To unleash such a creature upon the mortal plane would be apocalyptic.

I just said it's wrong to say "it's ok because he's from Hawaii.")

Which he didn't say...

Everyone knows Stitler's Mom is hot.:p

No, that's the combined soul of Hitler and Stiffler from the american pie movies. To unleash such a creature upon the mortal plane would be apocalyptic.Wow, scary thought.

Which he didn't say...
niether did I.

Corrected. :p


yes. in the sense that the statement is wrong.
Does it make you a Hypocrite? no
Does it make any statement about keeping your home at 72 degrees to save money wrong? no. (I never said Obama was wrong at keeping his office at a higher temp. I just said it's wrong to say "it's ok because he's from Hawaii.")

“He’s from Hawaii, O.K.?” said Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.”

I suppose not. If its any consolation I turned mine down to 50, he can keep his at 72.

C'mon, guys, this one is easy. Follow the lead of Captain Carbontrading and ...

Drop a Degree for the Dude!

You get the warm inner glow, he gets the warm outer glow.:tongue:

Whatever happened to 'Wait till the shine goes off, and he fucks up'.....

Has the American right so disentegrated it can't even indulge in basic point scoring and hurling from the ditch(or the american equivalent thereof)?

C'mon, guys, this one is easy. Follow the lead of Captain Carbontrading and ...

Drop a Degree for the Dude!

You get the warm inner glow, he gets the warm outer glow.:tongue:

HA! I don't have a heater. so he can take whatever energy I'm saving and use it!

but come summer....

when I looked at this the add right below it had the caption "Barack The Magic Negro. Offensive? discuss at www....

or more like those who work from home.

Oh, come on. Let's see, there is option A where you live over the store and people come into that store and the store is often occupied even when you're not there, because people are performing other functions or other employees are there.

Then there is option B, where I have an office in my spare bedroom and use that to work from home.

Let's see, which is the oval office closer to?

It is not uncommon to have home and office space in the same building. The White House does. The oval office is not the President's personal home. It's his office. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

I agree... kind of.

The Oval Office isn't just where Obama goes to hang out. It's where he does that thing he does. It might be where he meets-and-greets, so to speak... or bangs heads against other politicians. It might be where he conferences, takes meetings, hears briefings... etc.

As such - the workplace is designed to accomodate the function... and that's a different function to the function of his 'home'... even if the room is IN the building that houses him.

As a secondary thought, just occuring to me... I don't mind if Obama wants to keep the temperature at a level that lets him strip down to a shirt. If he'll work better without a jacket on, bring him cushions and cocoa if that's what he needs.

By the same token, I wouldn't have cared if Bush had worked in Bermuda shorts and a string vest, and sat heatlamps on the desk.

Meh... the Oval Office is a 24/7 office.

None of that addresses whether it is hypocritical. We aren't talking about whether we want our President to be effective. The issue here is that he said it's a leadership issue and I agree with him. He could put a sweater on and fulfill the statement he made that there should be leadership on this issue.

As to the last statement, I was referring to whether or not there are people there. The various rooms have seperate climate controls. It's quite likely that the oval office has times when it is not active.

Oh, come on. Let's see, there is option A where you live over the store and people come into that store and the store is often occupied even when you're not there, because people are performing other functions or other employees are there.

Then there is option B, where I have an office in my spare bedroom and use that to work from home.

Let's see, which is the oval office closer to?

It is not uncommon to have home and office space in the same building. The White House does. The oval office is not the President's personal home. It's his office. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

This reminds me of the time we were in Luxembourg playing naked paintball with Grand Duke Henri, and it was supposed to be King of the Hill with every man for himself, but those guys from L'Ecole de l'Armee kept protecting him from the dreaded "Jocabian Kibble-and-both-bits Hat Trick Triple Shot", and you got really pissed, saying that he was using his position as Commander in Chief to garner undue collaboration from other players, and he called you a frommage fucking foreigner, and he said he wouldn't be tolerating anymore paint balls to the crotch, so you said fine, and kicked him hard, in the crotch, and we wound up sitting in a Frankfurt bus station with a ziploc bag holding the cut remains of our passports.

waitwaitwait...

"He's from Hawaii" is no excuse!

Didn't he live for several years in Il? and elsewhere for years before that? I mean yeah, he lived in Hawaii till he graduated from High School, but he attened Columbia and Harvard, both much colder and lived in Il.

I would think he should be used to the cold by now. :p

There's more. On Wednesday, he poked fun at DC residents for closing his daughters' school for a little ice, when in Chicago, schools never close. To be fair, DC public schools were open, but running late. Seems odd to poke your new city for being pussies about cold weather when you're raising orchids.

Change you can believe in huh? Change everyone can believe in.

Glad you're on board.

This reminds me of the time we were in Luxembourg playing naked paintball with Grand Duke Henri, and it was supposed to be King of the Hill with every man for himself, but those guys from L'Ecole de l'Armee kept protecting him from the dreaded "Jocabian Kibble-and-both-bits Hat Trick Triple Shot", and you got really pissed, saying that he was using his position as Commander in Chief to garner undue collaboration from other players, and he called you a frommage fucking foreigner, and he said he wouldn't be tolerating anymore paint balls to the crotch, so you said fine, and kicked him hard, in the crotch, and we wound up sitting in a Frankfurt bus station with a ziploc bag holding the cut remains of our passports.

Whatever. I didn't like the picture on that passport anyway. It looked just like me.

None of that addresses whether it is hypocritical. We aren't talking about whether we want our President to be effective.


Oh I absolutely agree. As I said.. it was just a thought.


The issue here is that he said it's a leadership issue and I agree with him. He could put a sweater on and fulfill the statement he made that there should be leadership on this issue.


Which I'm not disagreeing with.

The OP started out with two 'conflicting' articles... that don't conflict. A presentation of a public statement about the thermostats in our homes.. and a description of, basically, what Obama wears to work.

That was my only angle on that - pointing out that the OP was intrinsic fail.


As to the last statement, I was referring to whether or not there are people there. The various rooms have seperate climate controls. It's quite likely that the oval office has times when it is not active.

I have to admit to knowing nothing about the climate controls in the whitehouse. I'd assume that different areas are controlled separately, because that's the way most large scale venues I've encountered are.

If there are independent climate controls.. we really need an article about what Obama is wearing 'at home' (so to speak) if we are (honestly?) going to discuss whether he's falling down on it.

Hmmm.... has anyone kept track yet of how many whines and complaints per day we're getting on average?

Aieeee!!!

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/emo-ahhh1gv.gif

Aieeeee!!!

Hmmm.... has anyone kept track yet of how many whines and complaints per day we're getting on average?

Maybe there's a counter for it somewhere online. That's the sort of thing that's apparently popular.

I have to say, I tend to keep a healthy level of skepticism.

For example, I think quite highly of Mike/GnI, but he knows I'm the first person to call him when I disagree.

That skepticism goes double when it's a politician, and triple for a politician who essentially sits above all others.

All that said, Obama really gives me hope that when the sh..stuff hits the fan, that we actually can find people who will actually make an effort to set things straight. Maybe he's got various alternate reasonings for why he's being the politician we elected him to be, but it's renews my hope about both our electorate and our potential politicians.

I have to say, I tend to keep a healthy level of skepticism.

For example, I think quite highly of Mike/GnI, but he knows I'm the first person to call him when I disagree.

That skepticism goes double when it's a politician, and triple for a politician who essentially sits above all others.

All that said, Obama really gives me hope that when the sh..stuff hits the fan, that we actually can find people who will actually make an effort to set things straight. Maybe he's got various alternate reasonings for why he's being the politician we elected him to be, but it's renews my hope about both our electorate and our potential politicians.

I think thats exactly what these kinds of people fear...

I have to say, I tend to keep a healthy level of skepticism.

For example, I think quite highly of Mike/GnI, but he knows I'm the first person to call him when I disagree.

That skepticism goes double when it's a politician, and triple for a politician who essentially sits above all others.

All that said, Obama really gives me hope that when the sh..stuff hits the fan, that we actually can find people who will actually make an effort to set things straight. Maybe he's got various alternate reasonings for why he's being the politician we elected him to be, but it's renews my hope about both our electorate and our potential politicians.

Similarly - I find the whole arena of American politics somewhat alien on several levels. I'm skeptical of Obama, but I didn't call Bush on stupid shit, I called him on illegal wars, torture, and blatant attempts to do things to the Constitution that not only sound unrealistic, but would be illegal if it could talk.

I called him on making America look stupid. On making America look blind. Violent. Like a bully.

I didn't call him on his winter wardrobe.

(Although, it has to be said, his dad has a really awesome hat).

WHERE'S THE-



You are my Everest.

Seriously though, this is it? No questions of constitutional violation? No war crimes? Not even an accusation of terrorist sympathy?

This is shitty effort by the Right. I'm giving them an "Incomplete" on this assignment.

Bush didn't do any of those thigns in his first fortnight either.

Bush didn't do any of those thigns in his first fortnight either.

There also wasn't a bunch of people who defended similar activities calling him a bad President, either. See how that works.

Bush didn't do any of those thigns in his first fortnight either.

That isn't the point, this was brought up by someone trying to criticise Obama, everyone is just saying wait until be messes up and you have something to bitch about.

You have no idea how much I'm enjoying this. Your turn is over. Now it's OUR TURN.

You're a spiteful little bastard aren't you? :)

There also wasn't a bunch of people who defended similar activities calling him a bad President, either. See how that works.

Yes but do you see my point?

That isn't the point, this was brought up by someone trying to criticise Obama, everyone is just saying wait until be messes up and you have something to bitch about.

I know what the point of the thread was.

I know what the point of the thread was.

But the point of the person you quoted was to wait until he actual messed up. She wasn't saying anything particularly good about Obama.

Wasn't the 'tax evasion' actually a discrepancy over state boundaries?
I think it was from him having done some consulting work for which he had to file his own tax returns on, and not rely on the company he did the work for to do it for him. I read in some paper that this is very common, affecting tens of thousands a year and the IRS doesn't take it seriously - they know it's a mistake in 99+% of cases. Hence them not doing anything other than just telling him he needed to pay.


As for this whole omghehasthethermostatsetonhigh! - at least GWB didn't do this. Of course, he didn't need to, as he did spend the entire winter - and spring and most of summer - in his texas ranch holidaying. How dare Obama spend his winter in Washington actually, y'know, working.

You're a spiteful little bastard aren't you? :)

Actually I'm sorta fat, so I'm not sure "little" would apply.

W. T. F.

Really? Are you really gonna criticize him over raising the heat? Really?

And this is what? Unexpected? Unusual? Unprecedented? Obama is a fraud and has demonstrated it time and time again.
Which is new, obviously, since his republican predecessors strayed not one iota from the true and righteous path.

Really? Are you really gonna criticize him over raising the heat? Really?As a party, the "little man syndrome".
All about the small victories, it is.

Actually I'm sorta fat, so I'm not sure "little" would apply.

Well from what the women have told me, you are little :D

W. T. F.

Really? Are you really gonna criticize him over raising the heat? Really?

Indeed. I'm forced to wonder what the reaction will be like when Obama actually does something bad. Which will happen, since he's: a) only human; and b) a politician.

I'm wondering if the inane rantings like this is a good thing for Obama, in the "boy who cried wolf" kind of way. If the loudmouths keep yapping on about trivial stupidities and constructed failures of policy, many will get tired and stop listening. They will make themselves be irrelevant. And when Obama actually does something that's worthy of criticism, nobody will care what the "whiners" and "whackjobs" have to say.

Well from what the women have told me, you are little :D

Considering I was never naked in the same room as a woman before, that can only mean one thing...

YOU'RE FROM THE FUTURE!!! :eek::eek2::eek::eek2::eek:

Considering I was never naked in the same room as a woman before, that can only mean one thing...

YOU'RE FROM THE FUTURE!!! :eek::eek2::eek::eek2::eek:

Yes, you have most certainly been naked in the same room as a woman. Unless you're a pod person. ... Hmm... *eyes narrow suspiciously*

Yes, you have most certainly been naked in the same room as a woman. Unless you're a pod person. ... Hmm... *eyes narrow suspiciously*

>.>

*A strange accident happens to LG. He comes back nodding along and agreeing with me that there's no such thing as a pod person.*

>.>

*A strange accident happens to LG. He comes back nodding along and agreeing with me that there's no such thing as a pod person.*

*emotionless voice* I am a clown. Honk Honk. Now you laugh.

*emotionless voice* I am a clown. Honk Honk. Now you laugh.

Good boy.

*emotionless voice* I am a clown. Honk Honk. Now you laugh.

Nice hat.

http://jayreding.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/futurama-brain-slug.jpg

Yes but do you see my point?



I know what the point of the thread was.

Yes, I see your point, which I was replying to you and telling you didn't understand what the person you replied to was saying.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/politics/29whitehouse.html?_r=2



Wait a minute... I thought he told us back during the election:



Well, he got that last part right. It isn't leadership.
I think the only one blowing hot air around here is you, Hotwife.