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Reading FOXNews I found this tidbit of info humorous.

Zombies Ahead (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484326,00.html)

That is possibly the single most awesome thing ever! XD

Wow.
The epicness of this win is almost blinding.

Damn hackers crying wolf! Causing chaos all over the place. Now if in the near future there are zombies ahead motorists will assume its a prank and get their brains eaten.

lmao, on the one hand thats funny as shit...Although it could be bad if it had been a serious problem...

Maybe stick to the pointless flashing ones on New Years warning against drunk driving....I mean, DD is a problem, but are flashing signs really going to make a difference?...

Makes me think of this sign near one of my friend's house...Its one of those blue information signs...But, its weird as hell, it just has a "?" and an Arrow pointing to a Vacant lot...Its a real DOT sign too, lol...

We're always like there's the sign to nothingness, to the Twilight Zone, lol...

EDIT: also, Im prepared with my Crossbow, and we all know the Crossbow is the best weapon for a Zombie Apocalypse...

Pretty awesome.

EDIT: also, Im prepared with my Crossbow, and we all know the Crossbow is the best weapon for any situation...

Fixed :D.

Fixed :D.

lol, Indeed...

Although, me and a friend of mine after playing Left4Dead came up with a sort of WMD for Zombies....

Just need Several Car alarms, and noisy devices, several Stadium Lights and an Industrial Meat Grinder...

Problem Solved, lol...

Fixed :D.
Not at all true. What if you're fighting an army of sentient lawn furniture? Or robotic combat drones?
What is a crossbow going to do against that?

Not at all true. What if you're fighting an army of sentient lawn furniture? Or robotic combat drones?
What is a crossbow going to do against that?

My Adamantium tipped Arrows should take care of that, lol...

They warned us. When zombies rule the world, don't say we were never warned!

Fixed :D.

Actually, the Crossbow is not really the best anti-zombie weapon. It's not horrible, but a reliable bolt-action rifle would be a bit better for most situations (especially because you can carry rather more ammunition, which could be vital if this is anything more than a dozen zombies). Though, in a group, it might be wise to have at least one crossbow user, for situations in which silence is needed.

Not at all true. What if you're fighting an army of sentient lawn furniture? Or robotic combat drones?
What is a crossbow going to do against that?

Depends if the lawn furniture is plastic or wooden. If it's wooden, you only have to light the bolts on fire. If it's plastic, it'll snap when the bolt hits.:D

And robotic combat drones, well, just hit the internal fans. They'll burn themselves out.:p

Actually, the Crossbow is not really the best anti-zombie weapon. It's not horrible, but a reliable bolt-action rifle would be a bit better for most situations (especially because you can carry rather more ammunition, which could be vital if this is anything more than a dozen zombies). Though, in a group, it might be wise to have at least one crossbow user, for situations in which silence is needed.

I'm saying it's the overall best for all situations, not just zombie attacks. Try to think of just ONE situation that can't be improved with a crossbow.:tongue:

Need to change out my hand for the chainsaw again...

Actually, the Crossbow is not really the best anti-zombie weapon. It's not horrible, but a reliable bolt-action rifle would be a bit better for most situations (especially because you can carry rather more ammunition, which could be vital if this is anything more than a dozen zombies). Though, in a group, it might be wise to have at least one crossbow user, for situations in which silence is needed.

I would imagine in most scenarios, silence is preferred when dealing with zombies. Select fire weapons with suppressors might be better in that regard. Or maybe even a coilgun.

Problem is, In a Zombie apocalypse, besides the aforementioned Noise, and Light from Muzzle flash, where are you going to keep getting Ammo? A crossbow you can continue making Arrows almost indefinitely, one of the main reasons Native Americans stuck with the Bow so long...

Damn hackers crying wolf! Causing chaos all over the place. Now if in the near future there are zombies ahead motorists will assume its a prank and get their brains eaten.

Exactly. When the real zombie apocalypse hits, we will no longer be able to use digital road signs to warn of their presence. People will die! I mean, un-die, or whatever.

If I were paranoid I'd suspect this was the work of not merely hackers, but traitors who are already collaborating with the undead menace.

Exactly. When the real zombie apocalypse hits, we will no longer be able to use digital road signs to warn of their presence. People will die! I mean, un-die, or whatever.

If I were paranoid I'd suspect this was the work of not merely hackers, but traitors who are already collaborating with the undead menace.

Or maybe theyre trying to distract us from the REAL threat...

http://editthis.info/images/superdickery/5/5c/CrabPeople.jpg

I'm saying it's the overall best for all situations, not just zombie attacks. Try to think of just ONE situation that can't be improved with a crossbow.:tongue:

Quality time.

What if it is made of concrete?
And robotic combat drones, well, just hit the internal fans. They'll burn themselves out.:p
Today's modern robotic combat drones don't need internal fans. Their energy-saving internal mechanism produce very little heat, which is easily dispersed by the air moving over the robot's external surface area.
They are light-weight, durable and environmentally friendly. Behold, the remorseless, unstoppable army of tomorrow of ... tomorrow.

Today's modern robotic combat drones don't need internal fans. Their energy-saving internal mechanism produce very little heat, which is easily dispersed by the air moving over the robot's external surface area.
They are light-weight, durable and environmentally friendly. Behold, the remorseless, unstoppable army of tomorrow of ... tomorrow.

Dont worry, Im sure the Zombie'sll take care of em, lol

I would imagine in most scenarios, silence is preferred when dealing with zombies. Select fire weapons with suppressors might be better in that regard. Or maybe even a coilgun.

Well... if you haven't yet been detected, it's often better to avoid combat in the first place. The goal is to stay alive, not to be a big damn hero. Also, you can probably get rather better range with a solid rifle, and given that you have to crank the crossbow to fire again, you can probably get your next shot off sooner too with the rifle. But yeah, having some form of silenced weapon is always a good idea.

Problem is, In a Zombie apocalypse, besides the aforementioned Noise, and Light from Muzzle flash, where are you going to keep getting Ammo? A crossbow you can continue making Arrows almost indefinitely, one of the main reasons Native Americans stuck with the Bow so long...

Actually, as far as I know (and this is not my area of specialization, so I might be wrong), it has nothing to do with that. The thing is, at that point, the main reason the musket was "better" than the bow was a matter of training: it was much easier to train somebody to shoot a musket than to shoot a bow accurately. So you could, for the same amount of investment, get a lot of guys with guns than archers. So even though archery still had many advantages (such as rate of fire), the typical army mostly used muskets. Many native cultures, however, still used the bow extensively for hunting purposes, so they were already good with them. (Not to mention the picture of the primitive natives unwilling to use firearms isn't accurate. They were quite fond of them when they could get them)

Also, it's not so easy to just make a crossbow bolt (or even an arrow) as you might think. Also, you very well might have to replace bowstrings (quite often in fact, if you're going to keep it strung even outside of combat situations), along with other maintenance (not that firearms don't need maintenance as well). Really, if you're preparing for a zombie outbreak, then you should have enough ammunition to last you until you can get to a more remote place. More, in fact-- you'll need some for the initial stages where you still needing to just stay on the defense before you find your way to a safer place or the zombies are eliminated.


(Yes, I have recently re-read the Zombie Survival Guide and World War Z, why do you ask? :p)

Today's modern robotic combat drones don't need internal fans. Their energy-saving internal mechanism produce very little heat, which is easily dispersed by the air moving over the robot's external surface area.
They are light-weight, durable and environmentally friendly. Behold, the remorseless, unstoppable army of tomorrow of ... tomorrow.

I'll need a structural drawing before I can decide how the crossbow can best disable those darn hippie robots.:D

Problem is, In a Zombie apocalypse, besides the aforementioned Noise, and Light from Muzzle flash, where are you going to keep getting Ammo? A crossbow you can continue making Arrows almost indefinitely, one of the main reasons Native Americans stuck with the Bow so long...

Suppressors Skallvia. I mentioned suppressors. That means noise and light level suppression. Making decent bolts for a crossbow isn't exactly something you can do on the move either though I will admit they're easier to make.

You might be better off trading power and range of a heavy crossbow like an arbalest for a repeating crossbow though, since classical zombies require single headshots.

Really, if you're preparing for a zombie outbreak, then you should have enough ammunition to last you until you can get to a more remote place. More, in fact-- you'll need some for the initial stages where you still needing to just stay on the defense before you find your way to a safer place or the zombies are eliminated.

Of course, starting in a remote place with a stash of ammo helps. The key thing would be to hit up the local gun stores before heading out of town. I'm sure there are several thousand rounds of ammo around town. Of course, there's the issue of having the right ammo. I have a gun that fires 5.45x39mm, which isn't exactly common, so acquiring something that fires a more common round like the .30-06 would be a good idea.

Problem is, In a Zombie apocalypse, besides the aforementioned Noise, and Light from Muzzle flash, where are you going to keep getting Ammo? A crossbow you can continue making Arrows almost indefinitely, one of the main reasons Native Americans stuck with the Bow so long...
And you are a trained flintknapper, wood carver, feathery thingy that goes on the back of the bolt, and leather/rope maker? Because unless you're one of a handful of traditionalists in the world, you have roughly the same chance of making an arrow that works worth a damn as you have of spontaneously starting to crap shotgun shells.

wonders if someone at this site (http://ww2.zombieinitiative.org/) hacked the sign.

And you are a trained flintknapper, wood carver, feathery thingy that goes on the back of the bolt, and leather/rope maker? Because unless you're one of a handful of traditionalists in the world, you have roughly the same chance of making an arrow that works worth a damn as you have of spontaneously starting to crap shotgun shells.

I can make a pretty crap crossbow, and you only need lots and lots of fishing line.:D

There's no need to make good bolts, just ones that work.

It's probably a government conspiracy. There probably are Zombies ahead but THEY don't want you to know. FOX news is all lies and disinformation after all - so it kind makes sense.

I can make a pretty crap crossbow, and you only need lots and lots of fishing line.:D

There's no need to make good bolts, just ones that work.

Not to mention, after a good few decades or so, You simply wont be able to continue using a Rifle, lack of ammo, upkeep, etc...

At the very least you could, with enough time and trial and error, make a passable Bow and Spear...

I can make a pretty crap crossbow, and you only need lots and lots of fishing line.:D

There's no need to make good bolts, just ones that work.
It took mankind thousands of years to develop working bolts. Somehow, I don't think anyone is going to trip over the secret in their spare time while running like Hell from the zombie hordes.
Better to just use guns.

Not to mention, after a good few decades or so, You simply wont be able to continue using a Rifle, lack of ammo, upkeep, etc...

At the very least you could, with enough time and trial and error, make a passable Bow and Spear...

Yeah, a crossbow can be remade, time and time again without any expert skills or fancy tools. It takes quite a bit to make a gun from scratch.

It took mankind thousands of years to develop working bolts. Somehow, I don't think anyone is going to trip over the secret in their spare time while running like Hell from the zombie hordes.
Better to just use guns.

The secret? What secret? It's a freaking crossbow! It took mankind thousands of years to figure out how to make windmills, does this mean no one will know how to make them in the zombie Apocalypse?

Edit: Also, crossbows can be fitted to shoot stones, although that might take a bit more time to kill a zombie with...

The secret? What secret? It's a freaking crossbow! It took mankind thousands of years to figure out how to make windmills, does this mean no one will know how to make them in the zombie Apocalypse?


Or wheels and Fire for that matter, lol...

Not to mention, after a good few decades or so, You simply wont be able to continue using a Rifle, lack of ammo, upkeep, etc...

At the very least you could, with enough time and trial and error, make a passable Bow and Spear...

I'd think that, one way or the other, a potential zombiepocalypse would be over before it really became a concern.

I'd think that, one way or the other, a potential zombiepocalypse would be over before it really became a concern.

Idk, Resident Evil is still going......and its showing no signs of slowing, lol

Yeah, a crossbow can be remade, time and time again without any expert skills or fancy tools. It takes quite a bit to make a gun from scratch.

It's not that hard. A friend of mine made a working miniature cannon out of brass. The real trick is you need a lathe. And gunpowder isn't all that hard to make it's charcoal, saltpeter and sulfur. The trick there is finding saltpeter.

I'd think that, one way or the other, a potential zombiepocalypse would be over before it really became a concern.

How so? If one in every hundred-thousand people around the world is infected, that still poses a major threat. Entire cities would be overrun, by their own ex-living, in a slow matter of months. Governments will refuse to bomb the city because of the living still there until it's too late. Even bombing won't do the trick, because of the headshot needed to kill them.

I'd think that, one way or the other, a potential zombiepocalypse would be over before it really became a concern.

Well the zombie apocalypse might be, but no one is suggesting we use crossbows to stop it... just to survive. So it's entirely conceivable that these could be problems. Better to plan ahead.

That said, I think crossbows are a retarded weapon to employ against zombies. You have to remove the head or destroy the brain to kill them, and a bolt does neither.

The secret? What secret? It's a freaking crossbow! It took mankind thousands of years to figure out how to make windmills, does this mean no one will know how to make them in the zombie Apocalypse?
Yeah. It is a matter of making an aerodynamic, light-weight object that won't completely screw up your crossbow, and which can be made relatively cheaply (meaning without devoting your whole day to finding supplies and creating).
Or wheels and Fire for that matter, lol...
Those things were simply a matter of finding them out. Making crossbows and bolts are skills which people once devoted their careers to.

It's not that hard. A friend of mine made a working miniature cannon out of brass. The real trick is you need a lathe. And gunpowder isn't all that hard to make it's charcoal, saltpeter and sulfur. The trick there is finding saltpeter.

Where are you going to find brass in a zombie apocalypse? Or the lead/stone you're going to use to shoot at the zombies? Accuracy? The noise? The flash? Don't forget wet weather. Where are you going to find large amounts of sulfur and saltpeter?

Not to mention, after a good few decades or so, You simply wont be able to continue using a Rifle, lack of ammo, upkeep, etc...


Not a quality rifle, no. But AK-47s are one of the sturdiest rifles around.

And making black powder is not that hard once you've had time to settle down and the right knowledge.

Yeah. It is a matter of making an aerodynamic, light-weight object that won't completely screw up your crossbow, and which can be made relatively cheaply (meaning without devoting your whole day to finding supplies and creating).

I can do that. You assume that a crossbow needs a top-notch projectile. Not even close. I've seen people shoot stones out of crossbows. (Admittedly hunting birds, and not zombies, but still. :tongue:)

Those things were simply a matter of finding them out. Making crossbows and bolts are skills which people once devoted their careers to.
Because those were needed to pierce thick metal armor, and have a range of hundreds of yards.

Might as well make guns. You'll need something which can explode a zombies scull remember. Only a well made bolt is going to do that anyway. And it's not as though you can't have a workshop with a lathe - zombies can't go thought walls. We need a whole fortress to wage war against the zombies from. We'll only leave the fortress for resuply missions and for zombie killing fun.

I can do that. You assume that a crossbow needs a top-notch projectile. Not even close. I've seen people shoot stones out of crossbows. (Admittedly hunting birds, and not zombies, but still. :tongue:)

You can shoot anything out of a crossbow that would fit in the groove. Whether that thing would punch through a human skull and mess up the brain, is another thing entirely.

Not a quality rifle, no. But AK-47s are one of the sturdiest rifles around.Leave it a water/mud puddle for a month, come back, pick it up, clean it relatively quickly and easily, and fire it. AK-47s just last, and last.

Might as well make guns. You'll need something which can explode a zombies scull remember. Only a well made bolt is going to do that anyway. And it's not as though you can't have a workshop with a lathe - zombies can't go thought walls. We need a whole fortress to wage war against the zombies from. We'll only leave the fortress for resuply missions and for zombie killing fun.

*sigh* And when the local supplies run out? You really think people are going to leave without taking their food? You don't need a well-made bolt to go through a zombies head, just a well-made crossbow, and while you're at it, a well made gun. Although the gunpowder provides sufficient power, a poorly made gun lacks the accuracy of a poorly-made crossbow.

Not a quality rifle, no. But AK-47s are one of the sturdiest rifles around.

I was thinking more along the lines of like, A true apocalypse, as in complete breakdown of any and all societies...like Caveman days, lol...

After 20 or thirty years, even an AK cant stand up to eventual wear and tear Id think...


And making black powder is not that hard once you've had time to settle down and the right knowledge.

Easier, and more accessible than carving Tree limbs and Rocks?

Where are you going to find brass in a zombie apocalypse? Or the lead/stone you're going to use to shoot at the zombies? Accuracy? The noise? The flash? Don't forget wet weather. Where are you going to find large amounts of sulfur and saltpeter?

The same places we find those things now. Besides we have bullets for now right ... we only need to make more in the future when we start running low. First things first we need a fortress to build all these anti zombie weapons from.

And sulfur isn't hard to find. It's the saltpeter your going to have trouble with.

I can make a pretty crap crossbow, and you only need lots and lots of fishing line.:D

There's no need to make good bolts, just ones that work.

Actually, considering the circumstances, you absolutely need good equipment. It's all that's between you and infection. Remember, your weapon needs to be able to penetrate the skull. Can your fishing line crossbow do that? I doubt it. And if it can, from how far? Against zombies, you always want to be as far as possible. Your close-range weapons should be used as a last resort, not out of choice.


Not to mention, after a good few decades or so, You simply wont be able to continue using a Rifle, lack of ammo, upkeep, etc...

At the very least you could, with enough time and trial and error, make a passable Bow and Spear...

If the outbreak lasts longer than a few years (over more than a contained area) then you're doing it wrong if you continue to remain in any area populated enough to have to fight any more than the occasional zombie.

Well the zombie apocalypse might be, but no one is suggesting we use crossbows to stop it... just to survive. So it's entirely conceivable that these could be problems. Better to plan ahead.

That said, I think crossbows are a retarded weapon to employ against zombies. You have to remove the head or destroy the brain to kill them, and a bolt does neither.
Well, a crossbow bolt can damage the brain enough to take out a zombie. "destroy the brain" does not mean make it explode or anything.

Where are you going to find brass in a zombie apocalypse? Or the lead/stone you're going to use to shoot at the zombies? Accuracy? The noise? The flash? Don't forget wet weather. Where are you going to find large amounts of sulfur and saltpeter?

Certainly, these are all problems. But they apply just as well to Crossbows, if not more so. Where will you find materials to make bolts that will be accurate enough to be worth using? Do you know what to do with them once you find them? Do you have the tools needed? And wet weather will fuck your crossbow up far worse than it will a firearm.

lacks the accuracy of a poorly-made crossbow.Yes, because whatever you use as the drawstring on the crossbow will obviously not snap when you use it.

The same places we find those things now. Besides we have bullets for now right ... we only need to make more in the future when we start running low. First things first we need a fortress to build all these anti zombie weapons from.

And sulfur isn't hard to find. It's the saltpeter your going to have trouble with.

A fortress. Right. Because, as we all know, fortresses are a dime a dozen nowadays, right? Wood can be knocked down by zombies, given time. Stone and brick... Well, who uses those anymore?;)

And how much ammo are you going to be carrying around? What about cleaning the guns? Finding an already made house near everything you need would be a hard enough task, let alone one that will be able to protect you from zombies. You have bullets right now true, but you'll need to be near massive amounts of lead, saltpeter, sulfur, a well-made house, and animals/fertile land.

Good luck.

How so? If one in every hundred-thousand people around the world is infected, that still poses a major threat. Entire cities would be overrun, by their own ex-living, in a slow matter of months. Governments will refuse to bomb the city because of the living still there until it's too late. Even bombing won't do the trick, because of the headshot needed to kill them.

It'd be over with either us killing all of them or them killing all of us before we ran out of ammo. There's a hell of a lot of ammo out there.

Also, how would bombing not do the trick? Just an 82mm mortar (which is really small as far as ordnance goes) has a kill radius of about 60m. With bigger things like 155mm rounds it's around 100m. And that's not even going into air dropped munitions, which are bigger.

While not every zombie in those 100m of an impact would die many would from concussion (which fucks up squishy internal organs like brains) and shrapnel, which makes hamburger out of normal people thus would likely cause sufficient damage to the heads of lots of the zombies. Of the rest they'd likely be crippled, limbs and such ripped off making them easier to get away from and easier to kill later. Bombing buildings full of zombies would kill lots of them under tons of rubble and concrete.

Unless we're talking about magical zombies that take no damage from anything but something hitting their head, of course.

Unless we're talking about magical zombies that take no damage from anything but something hitting their head, of course.No, I doubt that, seriously. Hell, just drop a few MOABs, pretty epic damage, right there. :p

Well, a crossbow bolt can damage the brain enough to take out a zombie. "destroy the brain" does not mean make it explode or anything.

It could, but its pretty iffy. People have survived having similar objects pierce their brain - Phineas comes to mind. I'd be a lot more confident with something more powerful and destructive.

Also reload time is a factor. If my experiences during Bioshock are to be taken seriously (and of course they are), I've learned two significant and relevant facts: 1, the crossbow is good for sniping but that's about it. And 2, if you find Splicers in the water, hit them with the Electrobolt.

I'd be a lot more confident with something more powerful and destructive. M107 and 1,400+ meter range, please.

Fine CM you take your lame little cross bow and I'll take my stone and brick fortress with my cannons, guns, bombs and piles of home made ammo. Well see who survives the zombie apocalypse.

BTW all you heavy Armourment people are welcome to stay in my fortress - only CM is not.

Fine CM you take your lame little cross bow and I'll take my stone and brick fortress with my cannons, guns, bombs and piles of home made ammo. Well see who survives the zombie apocalypse.

BTW all you heavy Armourment people are welcome to stay in my fortress - only CM is not.

Did I already miss out on the Fortress opportunity? lol...

If we can get the materials and organization, Im totally with this, I remember the Three Little Pigs, lol...

I was thinking more along the lines of like, A true apocalypse, as in complete breakdown of any and all societies...like Caveman days, lol...

After 20 or thirty years, even an AK cant stand up to eventual wear and tear Id think...

You can pretty much pick up an early model AK from back in the late 1940s and with a bit of cleaning, still fire them. And they are the most common assault rifle ever made in the entire world. Finding spare parts and components won't be a problem for a century following the zombie apocalypse if you live in conflict zones or where they're military issue.

And you won't get caveman days. Not unless every major city was nuked. Quite a few of them may burn to the ground from unchecked fires, but most will survive relatively intact. People will want to salvage tech and more importantly, manufacturing tools. Eventually, you'll see homemade firearms becoming more standard, with emphasis on durability and ease of maintenance.


Easier, and more accessible than carving Tree limbs and Rocks?

Depends on your location. Making bullets might be a little hard in say, the Amazon, but decent crossbow bolts will be harder to make than bullets if you're sitting in the middle of a city, even one overrun by zombies.

Reading FOXNews I found this tidbit of info humorous.

Zombies Ahead (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484326,00.html)

I approve of this.

You can pretty much pick up an early model AK from back in the late 1940s and with a bit of cleaning, still fire them. And they are the most common assault rifle ever made in the entire world. Finding spare parts and components won't be a problem for a century following the zombie apocalypse if you live in conflict zones or where they're military issue.

And you won't get caveman days. Not unless every major city was nuked. Quite a few of them may burn to the ground from unchecked fires, but most will survive relatively intact. People will want to salvage tech and more importantly, manufacturing tools. Eventually, you'll see homemade firearms becoming more standard, with emphasis on durability and ease of maintenance.



Depends on your location. Making bullets might be a little hard in say, the Amazon, but decent crossbow bolts will be harder to make than bullets if you're sitting in the middle of a city, even one overrun by zombies.

I could see your point I suppose, I was thinking a little local, We have more trees that you can shake a stick at, lol...

And, I admit at not having much knowledge of the workings of AKs, I knew they were extremely durable, but, that durable is surprising, lol...No wonder theyre still going strong...

Also, how would bombing not do the trick? Just an 82mm mortar (which is really small as far as ordnance goes) has a kill radius of about 60m. With bigger things like 155mm rounds it's around 100m. And that's not even going into air dropped munitions, which are bigger.

Given the basic state of most zombies in popular fiction, conventional kill wounds in living humans is insufficient. A man would die in short order if you ripped off his limbs or made a five inch hole in his torso. Zombies seem much better suited to living through such punishment, and can continue to operate so long as any of their limbs remain, if at reduced capability. Even incendiaries may not be as effective, since if they cannot feel pain and do not draw breath, they will keep moving until the muscle tissue is completely destroyed.

It's not that it won't work, it's likely that the effectiveness of the weapons will be much reduced. Of course, if you bring in heavy duty weapons like fuel air bombs, which will vaporize organic matter in short order, it's a totally different story.

Given the basic state of most zombies in popular fiction, conventional kill wounds in living humans is insufficient. A man would die in short order if you ripped off his limbs or made a five inch hole in his torso. Zombies seem much better suited to living through such punishment, and can continue to operate so long as any of their limbs remain, if at reduced capability. Even incendiaries may not be as effective, since if they cannot feel pain and do not draw breath, they will keep moving until the muscle tissue is completely destroyed.

It's not that it won't work, it's likely that the effectiveness of the weapons will be much reduced. Of course, if you bring in heavy duty weapons like fuel air bombs, which will vaporize organic matter in short order, it's a totally different story.What about the concussion from the blast?

We could go with this, you know, starve them out and all that jazz, lol...

http://www.freewebs.com/flood_master/Halo.jpg


Possible side effects include Armageddon, lol

Rifles last a long time too. My step dad still has an old 303 Enfield from WWII. Works like a charm and good for long distance shooting.

Given the basic state of most zombies in popular fiction, conventional kill wounds in living humans is insufficient. A man would die in short order if you ripped off his limbs or made a five inch hole in his torso. Zombies seem much better suited to living through such punishment, and can continue to operate so long as any of their limbs remain, if at reduced capability. Even incendiaries may not be as effective, since if they cannot feel pain and do not draw breath, they will keep moving until the muscle tissue is completely destroyed.

It's not that it won't work, it's likely that the effectiveness of the weapons will be much reduced. Of course, if you bring in heavy duty weapons like fuel air bombs, which will vaporize organic matter in short order, it's a totally different story.

Quite right, and I did go a bit into that. Still, even if they're not killed and just operating at reduced capacity (missing limbs, mostly) they would be much easier to avoid and kill at leisure.

I could see your point I suppose, I was thinking a little local, We have more trees that you can shake a stick at, lol...

And, I admit at not having much knowledge of the workings of AKs, I knew they were extremely durable, but, that durable is surprising, lol...No wonder theyre still going strong...

It's not nearly relevant since it's a bolt-action rifle, but its interesting enough to post. I present you with Hiroo Onoda. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroo_Onoda).

Lieutenant Onoda emerged from the jungle 29 years after the end of World War II, and accepted the commanding officer's order of surrender in his uniform and sword, with his Arisaka Type 99 rifle still in operating condition, 500 rounds of ammunition and several hand grenades

Yeah firearms can be pretty durable.

What about the concussion from the blast?

That depends on the state of the brain. Your normal brain would take concussion badly cause it's squishy and if you shake it too hard, it will slam it about inside your skull, more or less scrambling your thoughts. If the zombiefication hardens the brain, then the effects of concussion damage will be a lot less.

It's not nearly relevant since it's a bolt-action rifle, but its interesting enough to post. I present you with Hiroo Onoda. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroo_Onoda).



:eek: Damn! We should get him for the Fortress, lol...

Quite right, and I did go a bit into that. Still, even if they're not killed and just operating at reduced capacity (missing limbs, mostly) they would be much easier to avoid and kill at leisure.

As long as they remain incapable of learning and the slow shambling sort, I would agree. Zombie literature these days is branching out with new types that are rarer than the shamblers, but much nastier.

Soon they'll put them everywhere!!!

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Someone get a six-pack, I'll get a shot gun, and we'll have ourselves a MOTHER FUCKING ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE

A basic .22LR bolt action rifle: $100
5,000 rounds of ammunition: $100
4x scope with standard 30-30 reticle: $50-$200
silencer: can be built from found materials for a .22LR.

watching the guy with the crossbow get eaten while he tries to reload his cumbersome weapon: Priceless :p

Might as well make guns. You'll need something which can explode a zombies scull remember. Only a well made bolt is going to do that anyway. And it's not as though you can't have a workshop with a lathe - zombies can't go thought walls. We need a whole fortress to wage war against the zombies from. We'll only leave the fortress for resuply missions and for zombie killing fun.

You never hunt the undead for fun, that's asking to get un-killed. Its better to not hunt the undead and try to avoid them. If you have to fight them your best bet is to keep moving, they will outnumber you by the hundreds for each individual and swarm you if you stop moving. If you keep moving you can eventually outrun them if they behave in a manner consistent with typical consideration.

That is just made of so much win and awesome! :D

You never hunt the undead for fun, that's asking to get un-killed. Its better to not hunt the undead and try to avoid them. If you have to fight them your best bet is to keep moving, they will outnumber you by the hundreds for each individual and swarm you if you stop moving. If you keep moving you can eventually outrun them if they behave in a manner consistent with typical consideration.

The key to fighting undead is to never fight them on foot. It's usually best to fight them from the safe confines of an armored fighting vehicle or better, or better yet, from the air. Even your average armored van used in moving bank funds is fairly secure, since there are no openings big enough for the undead to stick their hands through.

And if for some reason your vehicle becomes immobile, don't pop the door and run off like a headless chicken. Classical undead are stupid, so just kill the engine and wait them out. Eventually someone else will screw up and draw the zombies away, leaving you well enough alone to crawl out and make your getaway.

The key to fighting undead is to never fight them on foot. It's usually best to fight them from the safe confines of an armored fighting vehicle or better, or better yet, from the air. Even your average armored van used in moving bank funds is fairly secure, since there are no openings big enough for the undead to stick their hands through.

And if for some reason your vehicle becomes immobile, don't pop the door and run off like a headless chicken. Classical undead are stupid, so just kill the engine and wait them out. Eventually someone else will screw up and draw the zombies away, leaving you well enough alone to crawl out and make your getaway.

But that could take days, and the sheer press of undead bodies could eventually overcome anything. From the air, or from an armored vehicle would be a virtual impossibility if there was an actual zombie apocalypse. On foot where you can run, jump, climb, and otherwise out maneuver/outpace the undead is a better idea, or a small light vehicle like a dirt bike.

Napalm. When all else fails, use Napalm

But that could take days, and the sheer press of undead bodies could eventually overcome anything. From the air, or from an armored vehicle would be a virtual impossibility if there was an actual zombie apocalypse. On foot where you can run, jump, climb, and otherwise out maneuver/outpace the undead is a better idea, or a small light vehicle like a dirt bike.

Here's the kicker though. You never see zombies destroy anything unless there was some sort of munchy (namely people) they could see behind it. And they never just stand around doing nothing. They're always moving, if at shuffle speeds. If you're inside an APC or similar, they'll muck around until you kill the engine, lose interest, and end up waltzing somewhere else. It wouldn't take long.

From the air, depends on what you're in and how long it can stay in the air. Investing in a high altitude capable helium blimp is good for fuel economy and payload might be one of the better choices.

The problem with small, light vehicles is that in the apocalypse, they'd be noisy, and likely to suffer immobilization in the event of some accident that a heavier vehicle can shrug off, and then you're stuck on foot.

I think we need to accept the the convention of a conveniently located car that no one else has thought to steal, and some act of god is refueling, probably won't happen. My bet is fortress, and never let anyone in, even if the really hot but dumb bitch suddenly develop a conscience.

Napalm. When all else fails, use Napalm

Zombies don't feel pain, you do.

Think about it.

Here's the kicker though. You never see zombies destroy anything unless there was some sort of munchy (namely people) they could see behind it. And they never just stand around doing nothing. They're always moving, if at shuffle speeds. If you're inside an APC or similar, they'll muck around until you kill the engine, lose interest, and end up waltzing somewhere else. It wouldn't take long.

From the air, depends on what you're in and how long it can stay in the air. Investing in a high altitude capable helium blimp is good for fuel economy and payload might be one of the better choices.

The problem with small, light vehicles is that in the apocalypse, they'd be noisy, and likely to suffer immobilization in the event of some accident that a heavier vehicle can shrug off, and then you're stuck on foot.

Zombies hunt by smell and sound, you'd have to find a way to make them not smell or hear you, and to the original point where would you get an APC and enough fuel to make it drive for more than a couple days. If you can do it good for you but its not likely to be easy as most military installations will likely become their own little self included nations ruled by the highest ranking officers like a feudal kingdom.

Oh and no pet zombies, for research, torture, strapped to a kitchen table so you can pretend the world hasn't gone to shit, or birthing your undead son.

Oh and no pet zombies, for research, torture, strapped to a kitchen table so you can pretend the world hasn't gone to shit, or birthing your undead son.

Indeed, no pet zombies. That's just asking for it.

Zombies hunt by smell and sound, you'd have to find a way to make them not smell or hear you, and to the original point where would you get an APC and enough fuel to make it drive for more than a couple days. If you can do it good for you but its not likely to be easy as most military installations will likely become their own little self included nations ruled by the highest ranking officers like a feudal kingdom.

Sound and smell is easy to deal with, since you'd be inside an enclosed, reinforced, vehicle. Kill the engine, and you're good to go.

Getting one is rather difficult, I freely admit. Easier in my location to get my hands on a boat and make for the nearest offshore rigs. In general though, unless the military installation is housed in a building built back in the late 1800s, they're not likely to be very secure against zombie swarms. You need concrete walls, reinforced steel gates with strong back support and regular gun towers all along the parameter.

Most places I've seen usually go with chain link fences, alarms, watch towers and not much else aside from patrols.

A maximum security prison would be a much more secure place compared to a military base.

Sound and smell is easy to deal with, since you'd be inside an enclosed, reinforced, vehicle. Kill the engine, and you're good to go.

Getting one is rather difficult, I freely admit. Easier in my location to get my hands on a boat and make for the nearest offshore rigs. In general though, unless the military installation is housed in a building built back in the late 1800s, they're not likely to be very secure against zombie swarms. You need concrete walls, reinforced steel gates with strong back support and regular gun towers all along the parameter.

Most places I've seen usually go with chain link fences, alarms, watch towers and not much else aside from patrols.

A maximum security prison would be a much more secure place compared to a military base.

A good point but a military base is also full of highly trained soldiers who specialize in killing things and in securing a position when necessary. It would not take long for determined soldiers to virtually zombieproof an installation with what they have at hand. Land mines will obliterate an entire zombie for instance. Sure there will be casualties but when being attacked by the undead its expected if not accepted.

A good point but a military base is also full of highly trained soldiers who specialize in killing things and in securing a position when necessary. It would not take long for determined soldiers to virtually zombieproof an installation with what they have at hand. Land mines will obliterate an entire zombie for instance. Sure there will be casualties but when being attacked by the undead its expected if not accepted.

The difference being that zombies don't die from wounds that would otherwise put a man hopped up on amphetamines down permanently. The base perimeters would be constantly pulling back. Maybe they'll be able to make a holdout at some place like the armory, or wherever there's a secure shelter that can't be breached by the press of weight, but most of the complex would be lost. I do not put much stock in them holding out for very long. Once that happens, say hello to zombie soldiers in bulletproof vests.

Missile silos on the other hand, would fare much better actually. Most access points to the underground complex are very heavily reinforced by the nature of the installation.

That being said, land mines don't even destroy a normal human. At least the anti-personnel ones. They generally work by shredding the leg that's right above it to about the thigh, but they don't have enough power to go much further than that. Claymores might be better, but again, limited. You're better off strapping anti-tank mines to remote detonators.

Or if you have the time, deep spiked ditches will do just as well.