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NEW YORK - A woman who wanted a job as a bikini-clad barmaid at a New York City eatery said managers rejected her because she has a "Latin accent."

Melody Morales sued seeking unspecified damages and saying she applied 15 times for a job at the Hawaiian Tropic Zone restaurant and bar. She said managers always denied there were any openings even though other employees said there were.

Woah, this could get ugly. According to this article Melody Morales was rejected from working as a bikini clad waitress at a New York City restaurant because of her accent.

Is this legal? Do businesses have the right to hire and fire people based on their accent? Should they have that right? What if they didn't want to say she was too ugly?

I'll keep my nose to the Google to see if I can sniff up any more on this and in the meantime let the debate begin!

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/01/28/amd_melodym.jpg

I'd say she meets all the qualifications!

Here is a better article (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/01/27/2009-01-27_former_hooters_girl_melody_morales_sues_.html) too.

I was hoping the article would have pics. Way to disappoint. :(

But seriously, that sucks. To hell with that restaurant, discrimination sucks. Besides, I find such accents rather attractive. :)

EDIT: Way to pull through with the second post!

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/01/28/amd_melodym.jpg

I'd say she meets all the qualifications!

Here is a better article (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/01/27/2009-01-27_former_hooters_girl_melody_morales_sues_.html) too.

Blerg. /b/ has more attractive pictures.

I say we all go up to this restaurant for lunch and see for ourselves if this is true. Who's with me?:D

Is this legal? Do businesses have the right to hire and fire people based on their accent? Should they have that right?

Sure. Would you want a newsreader noone can comprehend due to the thick accent ? Someone on the phone unable to speak properly ?

Of course, if the voice is completely irrelevant to the job it becomes a different matter.

What if they didn't want to say she was too ugly?

Which IMO is a valid reason to not hire someone for a nudie bar*.
It is of course not a valid reason to not hire someone to manage the finances of all employees.

*And I admit not considering her attractive either.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/01/28/amd_melodym.jpg

I'd say she meets all the qualifications!

Here is a better article (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/01/27/2009-01-27_former_hooters_girl_melody_morales_sues_.html) too.

This picture has been photoshopped.

Blerg. /b/ has more attractive pictures.

Oh, I dunno, her body is pretty nice, I think.

EDIT: Way to pull through with the second post!

No problem, I felt this warranted a more detailed article and lo and behold... the bright light shining off my monitor almost blinded me.

Well do we have a clip on how she sounds?

If a company feels that customers will not understand one of their employers why should they hire them?

Her lawsuit said one manager told her that her "Latin accent" would ruin his business. She said another told her "You don't speak white."

If this actually happened, those managers are morons.

This picture has been photoshopped.

Yeah, it has hasn't it? Perhaps it was a poor quality photo that got scanned and then sharpened. I get that grainy quality a lot when I sharpen an image, it helps to apply some other filters.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/01/21/2009-01-21_hawaiian_tropic_zone_bosses_bribed_me_no.html

The plot thickens o.o

Yeah, it has hasn't it? Perhaps it was a poor quality photo that got scanned and then sharpened. I get that grainy quality a lot when I sharpen an image, it helps to apply some other filters.

I dunno, man... if you look at her thighs (A horrible chore, I know ;) ) the boundary is pretty smooth with the darker background. Around her waist however, blocky and jagged. Methinks somebody wanted her to look more hourglass shapely than she is ;)

This picture has been photoshopped.

badly, unless her skin naturally has 45 degree angles.

I dunno, man... if you look at her thighs (A horrible chore, I know ;) ) the boundary is pretty smooth with the darker background. Around her waist however, blocky and jagged. Methinks somebody wanted her to look more hourglass shapely than she is ;)

Well, I see the same jaggedness in a couple places, but I wouldn't rule out you're theory either.

Well, I see the same jaggedness in a couple places, but I wouldn't rule out you're theory either.

Me too. Part of me wonders if that's even the original background for the pic, based on the area between her hair and the gear behind her.

Me too. Part of me wonders if that's even the original background for the pic, based on the area between her hair and the gear behind her.

I could tear this pic apart in photoshop and play detective but I don't feel like it right now; I'm interested in people's opinions.

I could tear this pic apart in photoshop and play detective but I don't feel like it right now; I'm interested in people's opinions.

I'm interested in the bikini clad woman... But you're right... this is too sidebar-ish.

The waist has obviously been photoshopped.

I wonder what would have happened if they said it was because of her looks,
which would make sense in such a job,
instead of her accent.

(did not find her attractive myself either)

I guess I hesitate to form an opinion because I don't feel confident that I know all the facts. I mean, if she really were denied employment based solely on her accent then that's one thing, but do we know for absolute fact that was the reason?

The article said she applied over a dozen times. Is it possible that she's just really annoying and troublesome and that's why they won't hire her? As I recall, employers are required to keep applications on file for something like 3 months... If she applied 15 times then she's either spamming them with applications or she's been trying to get in there for almost 4 years...

Am I the only who thinks the right part (our right) of the bra looks like it's been drawn in Paint?

Am I the only who thinks the right part (our right) of the bra looks like it's been drawn in Paint?

Methinks posting the photo might have been a bad idea so was wearing an electric blue T-Shirt.

i have no idea whether or not its illegal to discriminate on the basis of accent or speech impediment.

i dont recall that being mentioned on the list of things you cant discriminate for.

maybe ethnic or national origin implies that you cant discriminate against someone for an accent since they would obviously usually have one (few people born in non english speaking countries have a perfect american accent)

When readying the 2nd article I see a manager who is Hispanic. I am thinking the girl from the first article was not hired because she was not comprehensible.Might have even been the Hispanic manager telling her that.

i have no idea whether or not its illegal to discriminate on the basis of accent or speech impediment.

i dont recall that being mentioned on the list of things you cant discriminate for.

maybe ethnic or national origin implies that you cant discriminate against someone for an accent since they would obviously usually have one (few people born in non english speaking countries have a perfect american accent)

Assuming the way she talks really is the issue... What if her English is just so awful that she would genuinely have difficulty performing her job adequately?

"No, I said I wanted honey mustard sauce."
<smile>
"Did u understand me?"
<nod>
"Ok I'd also like a bacon cheeseburger - plain - but with mushrooms and onion rings."
<scribble scribble>.. "santing to drink?"
"huh"
"santing to drink?"
"Oh yes... um.. iced tea... unsweetened."
<bounces away, having recorded roughly 50% of the order>

Yeah not a good way to run a restaurant. If she had no accent and still botched half her orders, she'd eventually be dismissed. Would her accent be an excuse to mess up half the orders she takes from customers?

Assuming the way she talks really is the issue... What if her English is just so awful that she would genuinely have difficulty performing her job adequately?

"No, I said I wanted honey mustard sauce."
<smile>
"Did u understand me?"
<nod>
"Ok I'd also like a bacon cheeseburger - plain - but with mushrooms and onion rings."
<scribble scribble>.. "santing to drink?"
"huh"
"santing to drink?"
"Oh yes... um.. iced tea... unsweetened."
<bounces away, having recorded roughly 50% of the order>

Yeah not a good way to run a restaurant. If she had no accent and still botched half her orders, she'd eventually be dismissed. Would her accent be an excuse to mess up half the orders she takes from customers?
it seems to me that there are jobs where you are required to speak in a certain way and that that standard is up to the employer.

she may be perfectly understandable but sound "ghetto", for example.

as long as no one else has an accent (allowing her to claim that that wasnt the real reason) can it be illegal to set whatever standard for speech you want?

it seems to me that there are jobs where you are required to speak in a certain way and that that standard is up to the employer.

she may be perfectly understandable but sound "ghetto", for example.

as long as no one else has an accent (allowing her to claim that that wasnt the real reason) can it be illegal to set whatever standard for speech you want?

I would say yes.

it seems to me that there are jobs where you are required to speak in a certain way and that that standard is up to the employer.

she may be perfectly understandable but sound "ghetto", for example.

as long as no one else has an accent (allowing her to claim that that wasnt the real reason) can it be illegal to set whatever standard for speech you want?

I dunno I'm just engaging in speculation here :)

I'm still not over the oddity of her spamming them with 15 applications. If I ran a business and somebody was doing that, it would weird me out...

Assuming the way she talks really is the issue... What if her English is just so awful that she would genuinely have difficulty performing her job adequately?

"No, I said I wanted honey mustard sauce."
<smile>
"Did u understand me?"
<nod>
"Ok I'd also like a bacon cheeseburger - plain - but with mushrooms and onion rings."
<scribble scribble>.. "santing to drink?"
"huh"
"santing to drink?"
"Oh yes... um.. iced tea... unsweetened."
<bounces away, having recorded roughly 50% of the order>

That kind of reminds me of the waitress at one of my favorite haunts, only she never messes up an order.

Her dream job is to pour drinks while strutting in a bikini... That really says a lot about her. Nobel Prize winner material right there.

I do think that if she's being discriminated at for being Latina and having an accent, that's horrible. The US claims to have companies with equal opportunity for employment.

I'm still trying to form an opinion...

I dunno I'm just engaging in speculation here :)

I'm still not over the oddity of her spamming them with 15 applications. If I ran a business and somebody was doing that, it would weird me out...
well me too.

and, agreeing with nanastu, i find it odd that it would be anyone's dream job.

maybe the hawaiian tropic waitresses earn far more than other servers do? maybe they can afford to pick and choose between lovely and well spoken women.

well me too.

and, agreeing with nanastu, i find it odd that it would be anyone's dream job.

maybe the hawaiian tropic waitresses earn far more than other servers do? maybe they can afford to pick and choose between lovely and well spoken women.

Well it is a tourist trap. According to another article I found on them (and posted) this place has a history of harassing employees too; possibly even covers up rapes by high level male employees. I'm not so sure why someone would want to work there, and I don't think I'm too likely to be a patron.

Having worked as a waitress, it is a pain to have someone on the floor w/ a thick accent. It's difficult for the cooks to understand them, it can be difficult for the customers to understand them, and if the bartender is busy (depending on how the service area is set up), a thickly-accented voice, or a very soft one, is a definite source of annoyance.

combine her complaint, however, w/ the second article, I'm inclined to think the manager just wasn't attracted to her personally, and didn't have the backbone to tell her.

Well it is a tourist trap. According to another article I found on them (and posted) this place has a history of harassing employees too; possibly even covers up rapes by high level male employees. I'm not so sure why someone would want to work there, and I don't think I'm too likely to be a patron.

I think I do know why this particular girl wants to work at this place. It's her dream job. And honestly, if your aspirations are only to strut around on a bikini, serving drinks to tourists, you may be lacking in the brain department. What else can she do or work at? Not much gray matter in that head of hers.

Of course, she is legally entitled to sue this place for discriminating her on account of her looks and accent.

I think I do know why this particular girl wants to work at this place. It's her dream job. And honestly, if your aspirations are only to strut around on a bikini, serving drinks to tourists, you may be lacking in the brain department. What else can she do or work at? Not much gray matter in that head of hers.

Of course, she is legally entitled to sue this place for discriminating her on account of her looks and accent.

Maybe not, either that or she likes being looked at; there are other industries she could go in in either case.

Maybe not, either that or she likes being looked at; there are other industries she could go in in either case.

Indeed. Industries that could make a lot of people happy, if you get my meaning.:wink:

Indeed. Industries that could make a lot of people happy, if you get my meaning.:wink:

The obligatory: Bow chicka wow-wow!

The obligatory: Bow chicka wow-wow!

Exactly. :D

I think I do know why this particular girl wants to work at this place. It's her dream job. And honestly, if your aspirations are only to strut around on a bikini, serving drinks to tourists, you may be lacking in the brain department. What else can she do or work at? Not much gray matter in that head of hers.

Of course, she is legally entitled to sue this place for discriminating her on account of her looks and accent.
there isnt legal protection from being discriminated due to your looks. accent... i dont know.

there isnt legal protection from being discriminated due to your looks. accent... i dont know.

Well, if not looks, at least she has case because the manager told her she had an accent when speaking English. Of course, provided that what she's saying is true.

She could be fabricating parts of the story to make money. Like maybe the dream job thing.

Well, if not looks, at least she has case because the manager told her she had an accent when speaking English. Of course, provided that what she's saying is true.

Depends on how thick her accent is. Thick accents can be hard to understand and result in frustrated customers. Communication is vital for waiters and waitresses. Why should restaurants hire people that make communication more difficult?

few people born in non english speaking countries have a perfect american accent

Especially because there is no such thing.

I wonder if they'd fire a girl from backwoods Mississippi because of her accent. We had a guy in my first unit from Mississippi and I could understand a Puerto Rican who had learned English at the language school before basic better than I could understand him.

I say we all go up to this restaurant for lunch and see for ourselves if this is true. Who's with me?:D

^this.

Depends on how thick her accent is. Thick accents can be hard to understand and result in frustrated customers. Communication is vital for waiters and waitresses. Why should restaurants hire people that make communication more difficult?

Oh, I totally understand. What's funny is that she has an English name, Melody. She also seems to have been born in the US, because of her looks and the way she dresses (I could be mistaken). Of course, she's a mix of Puerto Rican and Dominican, and Dominicans themselves are hard to understand when they speak Spanish, let alone English. If she just arrived on the US maybe her English is garbbled and her accent too thick. That, as you say, may prevent her from communicating correctly with costumers. Of course, as I already posted, she could be making this all up. Who knows.

Especially because there is no such thing.

I wonder if they'd fire a girl from backwoods Mississippi because of her accent. We had a guy in my first unit from Mississippi and I could understand a Puerto Rican who had learned English at the language school before basic better than I could understand him.

I was born and raised in Spain. Virtually accent-free when I speak English.

I speak Purple *nod*

I was born and raised in Spain. Virtually accent-free when I speak English.
he meant that there is no "perfect" american accent.

I was born and raised in Spain. Virtually accent-free when I speak English.

The closest thing to "accent free" in English is RP in the UK and General American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_american) in the States. These two accents are similar in that very few people actually speak in them, although General American is actually used in a small geographic area.

In before the irony of a New York City restaurant not hiring someone because of their accent sinks in.

The closest thing to "accent free" in English is RP in the UK and General American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_american) in the States. These two accents are similar in that very few people actually speak in them, although General American is actually used in a small geographic area.

I understand. Accents are inherent to langauges. All languages have accents. Even in the US, English is spoken with a variety of accents that distinguish the speakers according to regions.

I understand. Accents are inherent to langauges. All languages have accents. Even in the US, English is spoken with a variety of accents that distinguish the speakers according to regions.

Indeed. A lot of my friends (many of whom have never left the state for more than a week or two at a time) are convinced that they have no accent, and having lived in Michigan I'm sure you're well aware of just how funny a statement that is.

Indeed. A lot of my friends (many of whom have never left the state for more than a week or two at a time) are convinced that they have no accent, and having lived in Michigan I'm sure you're well aware of just how funny a statement that is.

No matter where I go people tell me I do not have an accent. I try to tell them that I do (there are some regional peculiarities) but nobody believes me.

No matter where I go people tell me I do not have an accent. I try to tell them that I do (there are some regional peculiarities) but nobody believes me.

Have you ever been somewhere very far from where you live, like Texas or Minnesota or something?

Oh, I totally understand. What's funny is that she has an English name, Melody. She also seems to have been born in the US, because of her looks and the way she dresses (I could be mistaken). Of course, she's a mix of Puerto Rican and Dominican, and Dominicans themselves are hard to understand when they speak Spanish, let alone English. If she just arrived on the US maybe her English is garbbled and her accent too thick. That, as you say, may prevent her from communicating correctly with costumers. Of course, as I already posted, she could be making this all up. Who knows.
I would not be surprised to find that she was born in the US, but grew up in a more insular part of the ethnic community. Hence perfectly fluent, but with a very heavy accent.

There are plenty of native English speakers with heavy accents that are difficult for others to understand.

Have you ever been somewhere very far from where you live, like Texas or Minnesota or something?

Yep Texas, Florida, New Hampshire. Even people from other countries...

I got the whole game show host thing going on.

I speak Purple *nod*

There there Londim it's okay, *pats head* you just stay quiet while i give you a little happy injection....:)

Wow! She has really big accents!

Wow! She has really big accents!

Yeah seriously, with an accent like that how can you understand her?

Her dream job is to pour drinks while strutting in a bikini... That really says a lot about her. Nobel Prize winner material right there.


/threadwin

I speak Purple *nod*

There there Londim it's okay, *pats head* you just stay quiet while i give you a little happy injection....:)

:eek:

Run! It's a trap!!!

Her dream job is to pour drinks while strutting in a bikini... That really says a lot about her. Nobel Prize winner material right there.

Indeed. How many wars were started by bikiniclad girls pouring drinks ?
Peace prize nomination coming right up.

:eek:

Run! It's a trap!!!
:eek:I knew he was lying when he said he spoke purple.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*is running fast*aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yep Texas, Florida, New Hampshire. Even people from other countries...

I got the whole game show host thing going on.

Perhaps you do just speak with a very General American accent. This blurb from the wiki article on General American may be why people think you don't have an accent. It's specifically about Michiganders and our bizarre insistence we don't haven accent, but I think it applies in varying degrees to most dialects, especially the bolded.

"The fact that the NCS is well established in Michigan is particularly interesting in light of the dominant beliefs about local speech. As research by Dennis Preston has shown, Michiganders believe they are “blessed” with a high degree of linguistic security; when surveyed, they rate their own speech as more correct and more pleasant than that of even their fellow Mid-westerners. By contrast Indianans tend to rate the speech of their state on par with that Illinois, Ohio, and Michigan. Indeed, it is not uncommon to find Michiganders who will claim that the speech of national broadcasters is modeled on their dialect. Even a cursory comparison of the speech of the network news anchors with that of the local news anchors in Detroit will reveal the fallacy of such claims.

Nevertheless, the Michiganders’ faith that they speak an accentless variety is just an extreme version of the general stereotype of Midwestern English."

This picture has been photoshopped.

I can tell from some of the pixels and having seen quite a few shops in my time

Indeed. A lot of my friends (many of whom have never left the state for more than a week or two at a time) are convinced that they have no accent, and having lived in Michigan I'm sure you're well aware of just how funny a statement that is.

Yes. Many of the people I met while in Lansing spoke with what I would a pretty standard accent. But when I visited the Upper Peninsula, people there spoke with something I can say was a very similar cadence, like the anglophones in Canada.

Of course, also, if you compare the accents with the social stratta, people of lower income in Lansing also had, while I was there, a kind of drawl in their speech that always reminded me of Texas.

Wow! She has really big accents!

Id like to "listen" to those accents.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/01/28/amd_melodym.jpg

I'd say she meets all the qualifications!

Here is a better article (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/01/27/2009-01-27_former_hooters_girl_melody_morales_sues_.html) too.

Meh, I don't like her lips. Plus she gives off that "stuck up" vibe.

Meh, I don't like her lips. Plus she gives off that "stuck up" vibe.

Ill stuck her up...

Plus she gives off that "stuck up" vibe.

Amazing what you can tell from a picture :rolleyes:

Amazing what you can tell from a picture :rolleyes:

Eh I mainly look at the face of the person and pretty much tell what kind of personality they have. Her screams "stuck up".

Eh I mainly look at the face of the person and pretty much tell what kind of personality they have.

Yeah, I've observed your, um...ability to discern personality...

Amazing what you can tell from a picture :rolleyes:

I think hes mistaking "trying to look sexy" for "stuck up". Bear in mind this is the same person who claimed that girls masterbating with a vibrater was cheating.

Yeah, I've observed your, um...ability to discern personality...

Hey the way people present themselves, whether in person or on a photo can tell you alot about their personalities.

Hey the way people present themselves, whether in person or on a photo can tell you alot about their personalities.

to some. Those who are good at understanding human psychology and physiology, and reading social cues and body language.

That..um..that hasn't really appeared to be you.

We all judge people on how they look, unconsciously.
The problem would be if you continued to adhere to that,
even when faced with opposing evidence.
Just like with everything else one can be called ignorant of.

More importantly, who cares if she looks stuck up? It doesnt matter how stuck up she is when you tie her up...

to some. Those who are good at understanding human psychology and physiology, and reading social cues and body language.

That..um..that hasn't really appeared to be you.

You're in Boston right? Fine, I can catch a flight there, find you and you and I will go sit at a restaurant, and I'll observe people and share with you what I think about their personality, we'll go talk to a few of them, and see if I even hit close.

I am willing to put up $100 on this.

You're in Boston right? Fine, I can catch a flight there, find you and you and I will go sit at a restaurant, and I'll observe people and share with you what I think about their personality, we'll go talk to a few of them, and see if I even hit close.

I am willing to put up $100 on this.

You...realize the round trip to Boston will probably cost more then $100, right?:p

You're in Boston right? Fine, I can catch a flight there, find you and you and I will go sit at a restaurant, and I'll observe people and share with you what I think about their personality, we'll go talk to a few of them, and see if I even hit close.

I am willing to put up $100 on this.

if you're so good at picking up personality cues, one wonders if you've realized which ones you demonstrate about yourself.

A heightened sense of mysoginy that seems to color your every opinion and interaction with women would be a big one...

if you're so good at picking up personality cues, one wonders if you've realized which ones you demonstrate about yourself.

A heightened sense of mysoginy that seems to color your every opinion and interaction with women would be a big one...

throw in a pinch of racial prejudice...

You...realize the round trip to Boston will probably cost more then $100, right?:p

It's the Principal. Plus, I need to travel more, learn how to stalk.

if you're so good at picking up personality cues, one wonders if you've realized which ones you demonstrate about yourself.

A heightened sense of mysoginy that seems to color your every opinion and interaction with women would be a big one...

I am mysoginy, I can come off as conceited, I push people away when I really need them most, I'm sure most women are put off by me. The few that do stick around are either just like me, or they don't know any better. *laughs* So yes, I have noticed my own personality, one thing I don't have is a delusion of self.

throw in a pinch of racial prejudice...

Jeez, you find one Christmas decoration funny and people want to paint you a racist. I would say I have black friends, but I know how well that works here. :p

As for my own physical posture, I have noticed that I come across as angry, and closed off.

I can come off as conceitet
As for my own physical posture, I have noticed that I come across as angry, and closed off.

I noticed that all your comments about what your outwards appearance would tell another person are preceded by a modifier such as "come off as..", which basically says "I may look like X, but of course I'm Y on closer inspection - thus rendering your very hypothesis about "Looking at people will give you an impression of what they're like - and that impression will be true" unsupportable.

I'm disappointed that there's all this about her body and appearance and I have no idea how her accent actually sounds. What if it's really obnoxious gangsta-chic? It could be! So really the fact that her picture seems to be photoshopped, or with just incredibly unlucky anti-aliased, is a moot point.

I noticed that all your comments about what your outwards appearance would tell another person are preceded by a modifier such as "come off as..", which basically says "I may look like X, but of course I'm Y on closer inspection - thus rendering your very hypothesis about "Looking at people will give you an impression of what they're like - and that impression will be true" unsupportable.

your avatar makes me sad and want to give it a hug.

your avatar makes me sad and want to give it a hug.

Her name's Shecky, and she's the cutest and most loveable thing ever. She sleeps in my bed, she gets regular quality time, and I even got her a comfortable transportation box for when she needs to come with me sleep at the boyfriend's.

Yes, I'm projecting, and completely freaky. So?

Her name's Shecky, and she's the cutest and most loveable thing ever. She sleeps in my bed, she gets regular quality time, and I even got her a comfortable transportation box for when she needs to come with me sleep at the boyfriend's.

Yes, I'm projecting, and completely freaky. So?

I happen to like freaks.

And read your damned TGs!

Meh, I don't like her lips. Plus she gives off that "stuck up" vibe.

I would say cheap, but then again, I may very well be mistaken.:tongue:

I happen to like freaks.

And read your damned TGs!

Birds of a feather....

No. Follow the instructions in my reply, damnit.

I would say cheap, but then again, I may very well be mistaken.:tongue:

There's a difference?

Birds of a feather....

No. Follow the instructions in my reply, damnit.

replied. I hope you realize it's 3pm here and I'm at my office.

There's a difference?

You alone can answer that, Willy-kun.:wink:

replied. I hope you realize it's 3pm here and I'm at my office.

What, and your co-workers are not to know you're undressing a sexy bitch somewhere in the heart of Europe? How disappointingly repressed you are.

What, and your co-workers are not to know you're undressing a sexy bitch somewhere in the heart of Europe? How disappointingly repressed you are.

we can't all be European.

to some. Those who are good at understanding human psychology and physiology, and reading social cues and body language.

That..um..that hasn't really appeared to be you.
Honestly, I thought she looked kinda stuck up on herself, too. To me it's all about the posture and facial expression. The choice of lipstick also rubs me wrong, too, but that's a fashion decision.

Of course, I'm too suave to advertise that was the impression I got from the photo. I'm well aware I could be wrong - an expression in a photograph is a product of the moment and easily misread.

we can't all be European.

Right. You'd never get the accents right.

*makes this nicely on-topic*

Sure. Would you want a newsreader noone can comprehend due to the thick accent ? Someone on the phone unable to speak properly ?

Of course, if the voice is completely irrelevant to the job it becomes a different matter.



^^^This...

If she's going to be a waitress it stands to reason she would need to be understandable to the restaurant's customers...Even if the primary attraction is the stripper aspect, lol, the skill would still be required of speaking understandably to the patrons...

replied. I hope you realize it's 3pm here and I'm at my office.

Hey! Get back to lawyering! :p

^^^This...

If she's going to be a waitress it stands to reason she would need to be understandable to the restaurant's customers...Even if the primary attraction is the stripper aspect, lol, the skill would still be required of speaking understandably to the patrons...

If she's taking orders and waiting tables, she needs to be understandable. If she wants to dress that way with no speech requirement, she can always apply at a true strip joint. :rolleyes: Maybe even better pay, if she doesn't mind carrying a lot of $1 bills :p

Hey! Get back to lawyering! :p

In a catsuit.:p

What, and your co-workers are not to know you're undressing a sexy bitch somewhere in the heart of Europe? How disappointingly repressed you are.

At some point you promised me naked pictures of yourself. Why hast thou not delivered? Is it my lack of a penis!?

At some point you promised me naked pictures of yourself. Why hast thou not delivered? Is it my lack of a penis!?

Actually no, it's the lack of quality of the camera I had, at the time of the promise, just known to arrive in a few days, and I was full of optimism concerning its performance.

Actually no, it's the lack of quality of the camera I had, at the time of the promise, just known to arrive in a few days, and I was full of optimism concerning its performance.

Why does everyone get promised naked pictures but me? Is it something given to the liscensed lawyers only?:p

Why does everyone get promised naked pictures but me? Is it something given to the liscensed lawyers only?:p
Unlike Neesika, I don't remember you to be one hell of a sexy, smart, cool, talented, lovely, plain old awesome bitch.

Unlike Neesika, I don't remember you to be one hell of a sexy, smart, cool, talented, lovely, plain old awesome bitch.

Ah yes, well, that might be because I am none of those things:p

Yes. Many of the people I met while in Lansing spoke with what I would a pretty standard accent. But when I visited the Upper Peninsula, people there spoke with something I can say was a very similar cadence, like the anglophones in Canada.

Yeah, Yoopers definitely have a strange accent. Of course, when I'm in the South people think I'm Canadian, so perception of accents is relative. This (http://www.michigannative.com/ma_idiosyncrasies.shtml) should show you some of the things that you don't notice people say, but they do say them and they're strange.

Of course, also, if you compare the accents with the social stratta, people of lower income in Lansing also had, while I was there, a kind of drawl in their speech that always reminded me of Texas.

That's because a large number of poor people moved to Lansing from the South during WWII and on into the 60s to work in the factories. Detroit is the same way, while in the nonindustrial cities (such as there are in Michigan) the poor sound just like everyone else.

In before the irony of a New York City restaurant not hiring someone because of their accent sinks in.
Says the guy from Boston...


I am mysoginy,

Awesome.

Awesome.

Oh my god I just noticed that. Wilgrove with the unintentional win.

Not hiring someone over a Latin accent in NYC...

...

Unbelievable. 1/3 of the population is foreign-born, and many more from immigrant families. You'd be hard pressed to find someone without a foreign or unfamiliar accent in NYC. It's so commonplace I'd dare say there is no such thing as a foreign or unfamiliar accent in NYC.

I certainly didn't notice accents after a while when I lived there.

Two mangers in NYC snivelling about a foreign accent? I wonder if they've ever listened to themselves talk. I reckon it wouldn't be gentle on the ears.

Melody Morales
Superb pornstar name.

Ye'd need a sound sample to comment.

Otherwise, photoshop or not, shes qualified as far as I can see.

Well, I see the same jaggedness in a couple places, but I wouldn't rule out you're theory either.
Look at the angle of the inside of her left (our right) arm.

It's been painted black, because inner arms just don't have that awkwardly sharp an angle.

agreeing with nanastu, i find it odd that it would be anyone's dream job.

Well, at least she knows her limitations.

So, apparently, does the mother who escorted her to said interview.

So, apparently, does the mother who escorted her to said interview.

Eh, we can't all be lawyers and doctors, apparently the mother and the gal know this.

Eh, we can't all be lawyers and doctors, apparently the mother and the gal know this.

Unfortunately for them, they didnt know that you cant be a Waitress just anywhere, you have to speak the language intelligibly, lol


EDIT: although, its in NYC, not Biloxi, so Id think there'd be a larger number of Accented people there anyway...

Meh, I don't like her lips. Plus she gives off that "stuck up" vibe.
its the lip liner.

a trend that should have been dead 5 years ago but still lingers on in some areas.

So she's applied for this job 15 times..... Mindy, sweetheart, set your bar a little higher you can do more with your life then serve people in a bikini. (I would hope so anyway).

In all seriousness, yes there may be a discrimination afoot here, but there is a point being missed. That is, the point of overkill. I have a real world position where I hire people. When the same person applies over and over and over this is not really seen as positively as they may think. Now, if I am hiring in a business that obviously wants flirtatious women I would really have to ask myself, "Why does this person want this job SO badly?" Here I would have to wonder if this applicant wanted the job to goof off and excessively flirt with my customers to the point where as she messes around with two tables of "hotties", are my tables of older people being ignored? Because at the end of the day I am in business to serve all of my customers, and I want employees who are serious about providing that for everyone. Someone this desperate to work at my "fun" restaurant doesn't give me that impression. It just wouldn't seem right to me. I wouldn't give her an interview regardless of her race.

Why does everyone get promised naked pictures but me? Is it something given to the liscensed lawyers only?:p

That's because they know you will get those pictures yourself. :)

The closest thing to "accent free" in English is RP in the UK and General American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_american) in the States. These two accents are similar in that very few people actually speak in them, although General American is actually used in a small geographic area.

I have a Pacific Northwest accent, myself.

The Pacific Northwest English accent is considered to be "very neutral" to most Americans. It does, however, possess the low back vowel merger, or the Cot-caught merger. Pacific Northwest English is one of the closest living accents to conservative General American English. It lacks the Northern Cities Vowel Shift, and does not participate as strongly in the California Vowel Shift or the Canadian raising as do other regional accents. Because of its lack of any distinguishing vowel shift, the accent is very similar to and hard to distinguish from conservative speakers in other dialect regions especially the Northern Midlands, California, and the prairies.

I am mysoginy

That's really hardcore.

In before the irony of a New York City restaurant not hiring someone because of their accent sinks in.
Eh, whaddaya talkin boud? New Yawkahs don' have accents!

the weirdest thing about living in New York state is that there are actually a ton of accents just from the New York city area like people who move here from Long Island sound totally different than those who move here from Brooklyn and they sound different then those from the bronx and then those of us upstaters also have accents, it is just bizarre.

Eh, whaddaya talkin boud? New Yawkahs don' have accents!

lol, I read that with a New Orleans accent in mind...

Eh, whaddaya talkin boud? New Yawkahs don' have accents!Oh, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew! I tried saying it like that, and it came out awful.

the weirdest thing about living in New York state is that there are actually a ton of accents just from the New York city area like people who move here from Long Island sound totally different than those who move here from Brooklyn and they sound different then those from the bronx and then those of us upstaters also have accents, it is just bizarre.Some Upstaters that come down here to Long Island sound so funny. :)

I've actually been accused of having a British accent (I don't). Recently some folks in the math help lab were trying to track it down and decided I didn't have a traceable accent.

I disagree, but it's quite hard to track it down, especially since I'm something of a verbal chameleon.

lol, I read that with a New Orleans accent in mind...

Oh, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew! I tried saying it like that, and it came out awful.

Fuggedaboud it! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Xu9UcOdj0)

You New Yahkahs have wicked strange accents.


Unlike New Englandahs.

You New Yahkahs have wicked strange accents.


Unlike New Englandahs.
Ah, go pahk the cah in Hahvad Yahd.

I've actually been accused of having a British accent (I don't). Recently some folks in the math help lab were trying to track it down and decided I didn't have a traceable accent.

I disagree, but it's quite hard to track it down, especially since I'm something of a verbal chameleon.

Yeah, I've been asked if I'm from Canada multiple times, despite living in New Zealand my whole life.

Yeah, Yoopers definitely have a strange accent. Of course, when I'm in the South people think I'm Canadian, so perception of accents is relative.

When I visited Canada 2 months ago, I felt I was in Iron Mountain. And while in Toronto, I thought I was right in Escanaba. :p

This (http://www.michigannative.com/ma_idiosyncrasies.shtml) should show you some of the things that you don't notice people say, but they do say them and they're strange.

Oh gods! LOL! That's so true, about the Meijer and Kroger thing. The Lansing CATA Bus service, on its buses, had the voice of a man announcing your stops and when they mentioned either Kroger or Meijer, the 's' was added immediately.

That's because a large number of poor people moved to Lansing from the South during WWII and on into the 60s to work in the factories. Detroit is the same way, while in the nonindustrial cities (such as there are in Michigan) the poor sound just like everyone else.

I see. I didn't know that.

Ah, go pahk the cah in Hahvad Yahd.

the funny thing is, you can't ACTUALLY park a car in Harvard Yard, given that it's a mostly grassy area with a few walkways.

There are some parking lots in the back end of the buildings on the perimeter, BEHIND the yard, and the Western Ave parking garage, but cars aren't allowed on the yard itself.

the funny thing is, you can't ACTUALLY park a car in Harvard Yard, given that it's a mostly grassy area with a few walkways.

There are some parking lots in the back end of the buildings on the perimeter, BEHIND the yard, and the Western Ave parking garage, but cars aren't allowed on the yard itself.

And that Neo Art, is exactly why I endeavor to park a car in Harvard Yard.

And that Neo Art, is exactly why I endeavor to park a car in Harvard Yard.

Don't do it man, cambridge police are bastards.

Throw up behind ONE Au Bon Pan.....

Her name's Shecky, and she's the cutest and most loveable thing ever. She sleeps in my bed, she gets regular quality time, and I even got her a comfortable transportation box for when she needs to come with me sleep at the boyfriend's.

Yes, I'm projecting, and completely freaky. So?

All my stuffed animals have names, and at least one of them travels with me whenever I'm away from home.

Also, your turtle is extremely cute. :)

the funny thing is, you can't ACTUALLY park a car in Harvard Yard, given that it's a mostly grassy area with a few walkways.

There are some parking lots in the back end of the buildings on the perimeter, BEHIND the yard, and the Western Ave parking garage, but cars aren't allowed on the yard itself.

Now I know how to spot an impostor. Thank you, this will come in handy.

Now I know how to spot an impostor. Thank you, this will come in handy.

of course, now that I reread that, I have NO idea why I said Western Ave. The closest lot to Harvard Yard is on Broadway, if I recall correctly.

All my stuffed animals have names, and at least one of them travels with me whenever I'm away from home.

Also, your turtle is extremely cute. :)

I like you. You may come and visit me and my stuffed animals whenever you like. Once you washed your hands, you may even pet Shecky. That's how much I like you.

Man, that's such a shame. :(

I like you. You may come and visit me and my stuffed animals whenever you like. Once you washed your hands, you may even pet Shecky. That's how much I like you.

Aw. If I ever did visit, I would even permit you to shake fins with Alfredo da Fishi, my tuxedo-wearing trout. :)

Aw. If I ever did visit, I would even permit you to shake fins with Alfredo da Fishi, my tuxedo-wearing trout. :)

One assumes you both enjoyed healing these abused cuddly toys ;) ?
http://www.parapluesch.de/

I think it is wrong and she should sue. Oh wait she is good for her. I doubt in the job description it says must fluent in English and have a perfect English accent.

Not to mention you could use this for a reason to hire people you do not like. Oh I'm sorry it is not because you are not good with tools. You can't assemble a car because you have an accent. Sorry, tough break but those are the rules.

The only thing is she did it in New York which is an "at will" based employment. The management do not need a reason to dismiss or not hire anyone. Her best bet is to settle out of court or drag their name through the mud. Oh wait ... too late.

One assumes you both enjoyed healing these abused cuddly toys ;) ?
http://www.parapluesch.de/

.....omg so cute I WANT THEM ALL.

You New Yahkahs have wicked strange accents.


Unlike New Englandahs.


Chowdah!!!!

Chowdah!!!!

Showder. ;)

the funny thing is, you can't ACTUALLY park a car in Harvard Yard, given that it's a mostly grassy area with a few walkways.

There are some parking lots in the back end of the buildings on the perimeter, BEHIND the yard, and the Western Ave parking garage, but cars aren't allowed on the yard itself.
Well thanks for destroying my incredibly stereotypical post! *sob*

*And I admit not considering her attractive either.

Exactly. I've known (in both meanings) more beautiful women.

Aw. If I ever did visit, I would even permit you to shake fins with Alfredo da Fishi, my tuxedo-wearing trout. :)

I'm honored. Maybe he and Shecky could go on playdates?

One assumes you both enjoyed healing these abused cuddly toys ;) ?
http://www.parapluesch.de/

Hehe. God, I've been playing that for ages when I was in my last year of school. I can heal them all by now - though I find the croc to be the coolest.

One assumes you both enjoyed healing these abused cuddly toys ;) ?
http://www.parapluesch.de/

man i forgot about this game. thxs

.....omg so cute I WANT THEM ALL.

I actually bought the croc and wolf/sheep/wolf/sheep/wolf/sheep/wolf/sheep.. eehm, right ;)

Oh, I dunno, her body is pretty nice, I think.
She's kinda a butterface. I wouldn't hire her either, but I'd come up with a reason other than "your accent isn't what we want at our workplace".

the funny thing is, you can't ACTUALLY park a car in Harvard Yard, given that it's a mostly grassy area with a few walkways.

The Southern New Englander in me says "So?".