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Bad is a matter of opinion; especially when a group like the cato institute is giving it.

My Granddad lived through the great depression and he would tell you FDR did a fine job.

The shrub's tax cuts were bad and didn't accomplish much.

When a person needs a job; he isn't going to believe that the free market faeries are going to wave their magic wands and everything will be good.
Well, hours worked never did reach the 1929 levels during the entire decade of the 1930s. Not before, nor after FDR's New Deal. I guess your Granddad had one of those jobs that kept the recovery from coming. I suspect, I'd see things his way in that case, too.

As far as Bush's tax cuts... The economy did grow. Tax revenue did increase. He just spent it too fast, with the Congress as a willing accomplice. Don't believe everything you read at MoveOn.org.

Can you prove that this is bad legislation?
Probably, but I don't feel like looking up the facts and figures. It's enough for me to see that most of the legislation doesn't take effect immediately, will probably cause great inflation, and is mostly pork.

What I will do is come back when the economy really sucks(Carter years) and say I told you so.

Probably, but I don't feel like looking up the facts and figures. It's enough for me to see that most of the legislation doesn't take effect immediately, will probably cause great inflation, and is mostly pork.

What I will do is come back when the economy really sucks(Carter years) and say I told you so.
In other words, no you can't show that it's bad legislation, but the fact that you don't like it is good enough for you. Well, that's nice for you. We, however, need a little more than your say-so.

I do have plenty to base it on.

Milton Friedman.

Milton Friedman concluded that New Deal programs "hampered recovery from the contraction, prolonged and added to unemployment and set the stage for ever more intrusive and costly government."

No economics course in the West would seriously teach otherwise.

Most economic courses in the west, including those taught by Milton Friedman, concluded that the Depression was ended by WWII, a great show of fiscal stimulus(ie Keynesianism). Beforehand FDR didn't go far enough to change expectations. He was a half-hearted Keynesian at most.

What I will do is come back when the economy really sucks(Carter years) and say I told you so.

*Looks at the Bush years and the threads on the Bush elections*

That's MY line.

As far as Bush's tax cuts... The economy did grow. Tax revenue did increase. He just spent it too fast, with the Congress as a willing accomplice. Don't believe everything you read at MoveOn.org.

Yeah, I prefer to trust factcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/have_tax_cuts_always_resulted_in_higher.html), NeuLeonstein's comments that the Laffer Curve only kicks in at incredibly high tax rates(I believe it was 75%-85%), and the Tax Foundation (http://www.nysun.com/business/bush-tax-cuts-increased-tax-base-study-says/84823/).

So is blatantly lying about what your "source" says, even when everyone can read it themselves and see the lie.

Not that that has ever stopped Hotwife.

Lying about a source isn't a logical fallacy. Its just a lie.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, right.

Democrats can trash everything President Bush did for eight years and that's OK. Republicans oppose the Dark Lord's transparent attempt to send the 63 million lemmings in this country over the cliff in support of his scheme to pay off every libtard constituency that has ever existed, destroy free enterprise capitalism and create the United Socialist States of America, and that's "naysaying" and "partisanship."

Rubbish.

And btw: if Tim Geithner, the Dark Lord's first tax-cheat cabinet appointment, was just "sloppy", and Puff Daschle is his second tax-cheat cabinet appointment, does that make Daschle the Dark Lord's "sloppy seconds?" Just wondering.

Don't blame Obama, blame the Congress.

Also, before you do that, make sure your Republican representatives aren't milking the teat too. Wouldn't want you to sound hypocritical.

Meh, that's what I'd expect out of a loyal opposition, after all. You know, to oppose and stuff like that ;)

Rubbish.

How kind of you to qualify what you wrote above.

Barack Hussein Obama: Arabic for "shit-shoveling socialist son-of-a-bitch."
"Blessed" "attractive" Obama.

Obama isn't Arabic, its Dhoulou.

I know its silly of me to expect this, but at least your signature could be factual and accurate.

"Blessed" "attractive" Obama.

Obama isn't Arabic, its Dhoulou.

I know its silly of me to expect this, but at least your signature could be factual and accurate.
No, actually, it really couldn't.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, right.

Democrats can trash everything President Bush did for eight years and that's OK. Republicans oppose the Dark Lord's transparent attempt to send the 63 million lemmings in this country over the cliff in support of his scheme to pay off every libtard constituency that has ever existed, destroy free enterprise capitalism and create the United Socialist States of America, and that's "naysaying" and "partisanship."

You can't call him the Dark Lord. Its racist.;)

Also, and more seriously, it is not hypocritical to attack Bush and defend Obama. Not all criticisms are of equal validity. Some carry more weight than others.

Lastly, Obama is not planning to destroy capitalism. He is not going to outlaw private property or business. However, he's hopefully going to regulate in order to protect the public and uphold the rule of law, and make sure people have basic rights like health care (ie, the right to life) protected.

McCarthyism was discredited a long time ago. Start living in the real world.

And btw: if Tim Geithner, the Dark Lord's first tax-cheat cabinet appointment, was just "sloppy", and Puff Daschle is his second tax-cheat cabinet appointment, does that make Daschle the Dark Lord's "sloppy seconds?" Just wondering.

You know, I'm starting to think this "Dark Lord" crap is just another piece of Republican "and oh, by the way, he's black" fearmongering.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, right.

Democrats can trash everything President Bush did for eight years and that's OK. Republicans oppose the Dark Lord's transparent attempt to send the 63 million lemmings in this country over the cliff in support of his scheme to pay off every libtard constituency that has ever existed, destroy free enterprise capitalism and create the United Socialist States of America, and that's "naysaying" and "partisanship."

Rubbish.

Because everything Bush did- or more accurately, didn't do has undeniably fucked up the nation's economy, its military and its international reputation. People elected an incompetent business manager to run the nation twice and they reaped what they sown.

Don't worry though, I'm sure part of the economic stimulus package will be spent on renovating and maintaining

FORT SUMTER

And btw: if Tim Geithner, the Dark Lord's first tax-cheat cabinet appointment, was just "sloppy", and Puff Daschle is his second tax-cheat cabinet appointment, does that make Daschle the Dark Lord's "sloppy seconds?" Just wondering.

As opposed to John Ashcroft the right wing fundie nut being placed in charge of Homeland Security after losing the Missouri Governor's race to a dead man, Donald "My Way or the Highway" Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense, John "Wally Walrus" Bolton as UN Ambassador, or Albert "This Is My Definition of Torture" Gonzalez as Attorney General.

Hey, since you're so vehemently opposed to Obama he might actually give you a position in his administration. Say... Secretary of

FORT SUMTER

"Blessed" "attractive" Obama.

Obama isn't Arabic, its Dhoulou.

I know its silly of me to expect this, but at least your signature could be factual and accurate.

You're right, it IS silly of you to expect this. :D

You can't call him the Dark Lord. Its racist.;)

Also, and more seriously, it is not hypocritical to attack Bush and defend Obama. Not all criticisms are of equal validity. Some carry more weight than others.

Lastly, Obama is not planning to destroy capitalism. He is not going to outlaw private property or business. However, he's hopefully going to regulate in order to protect the public and uphold the rule of law, and make sure people have basic rights like health care (ie, the right to life) protected.

McCarthyism was discredited a long time ago. Start living in the real world.



You know, I'm starting to think this "Dark Lord" crap is just another piece of Republican "and oh, by the way, he's black" fearmongering.

Loyal NationStates Bushevik New Mitanni is fixated on Lord of the Rings symbolism. Barack Obama is Sauron, his supporters are the Orcs of Mordor, etc. etc.

You know, I'm starting to think this "Dark Lord" crap is just another piece of Republican "and oh, by the way, he's black" fearmongering.
Don't blame the Republicans for that one. That's all New Mitanni. He brought us that, and he's the only one who uses it, as far as I know.

Don't blame the Republicans for that one. That's all New Mitanni. He brought us that, and he's the only one who uses it, as far as I know.

What I mean is that it appears to be a typical example of the Republican's election-season race baiting, regardless of who came up with this specific example.

Loyal NationStates Bushevik New Mitanni is fixated on Lord of the Rings symbolism. Barack Obama is Sauron, his supporters are the Orcs of Mordor, etc. etc.

God damn it, don't ruin LotR for me.:D

Loyal NationStates Bushevik New Mitanni is fixated on Lord of the Rings symbolism. Barack Obama is Sauron, his supporters are the Orcs of Mordor, etc. etc.

I'm a caster. Can I be Saruman?

What I mean is that it appears to be a typical example of the Republican's election-season race baiting, regardless of who came up with this specific example.

God damn it, don't ruin LotR for me.:D
Oh, no, I'm certain it never once occurred to NM that calling a black man "The Dark Lord" could in any way appear to be racebaiting. Oh, perish the thought. Sauron has not been co-opted by the racist contingent.

Just the troll contingent.

I'm a caster. Can I be Saruman?

And NM can be a troll.:)

As far as Bush's tax cuts... The economy did grow.


No it didnt.

Don't believe everything you read at MoveOn.org.

Ill believe them over you any day of the week.

Probably, but I don't feel like looking up the facts and figures. It's enough for me to see that most of the legislation doesn't take effect immediately, will probably cause great inflation, and is mostly pork.

Probably good you arent going to, because if your history is any indication, your "facts and figures" would most likely disprove your own point. You and DK are good at finding our sources for us.



Yeah, right.

Glad you agree.

Democrats can trash everything President Bush did for eight years and that's OK.


Agreed.
Rubbish.

You shouldnt say such things about your own arguements.

And btw: if Tim Geithner, the Dark Lord's first tax-cheat cabinet appointment, was just "sloppy", and Puff Daschle is his second tax-cheat cabinet appointment, does that make Daschle the Dark Lord's "sloppy seconds?" Just wondering.

Do we want to play Whose Party Has More Tax Dodgers? Because I dont think thats a game you want to play.

Oh, and

[Leroy Jenkins]FOOOOOOOORT SUMMMMMMTER!!!!!![/Leroy Jenkins]

And NM can be a troll.:)

Actually, Grishnakh, I envision myself as more like Beregond. :p

Actually, Grishnakh, I envision myself as more like Beregond. :p

Meh, I'm done feeding this troll. It was good for a quick laugh though.

Actually, Grishnakh, I envision myself as more like Beregond. :p

You remind me more of this guy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/Cave_troll.jpg

Actually, Grishnakh, I envision myself as more like Beregond. :p

In which case you might want to either re-read the books or re-assess your place in the situation.

Because everything Bush did- or more accurately, didn't do has undeniably fucked up the nation's economy, its military and its international reputation. People elected an incompetent business manager to run the nation twice and they reaped what they sown.

Don't worry though, I'm sure part of the economic stimulus package will be spent on renovating and maintaining

FORT SUMTER

Usually I value your posts only slightly less than I value the flatus of homeless bums. The foregoing comment is one example of why.


As opposed to John Ashcroft the right wing fundie nut being placed in charge of Homeland Security after losing the Missouri Governor's race to a dead man, Donald "My Way or the Highway" Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense, John "Wally Walrus" Bolton as UN Ambassador, or Albert "This Is My Definition of Torture" Gonzalez as Attorney General.

Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Bolton and Gonzalez were all public servants of towering stature compared to the drones, tools, cheats and left-libtard party hacks your president has imposed on this country -- not to mention lobbyists, as the Dark Lord lied about not appointing to his regime.

Hey, since you're so vehemently opposed to Obama he might actually give you a position in his administration. Say... Secretary of

FORT SUMTER

If I ever decide to cheat on my taxes I'll give that full consideration. It'd be like a Get Out of Jail Free card. :rolleyes:

Usually I value your posts only slightly less than I value the flatus of homeless bums. The foregoing comment is one example of why.

Funny. I feel the same about you.

Care to explain what exactly you think is so great about Bush? I'm just wondering what this man has done to make you follow him into the abyss.

Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Bolton and Gonzalez were all public servants of towering stature compared to the drones, tools, cheats and left-libtard party hacks your president has imposed on this country -- not to mention lobbyists, as the Dark Lord lied about not appointing to his regime.


[Leroy Jenkins]FOOOOOOOORT SUMMMMMMTER!!!!!![/Leroy Jenkins]

In which case you might want to either re-read the books or re-assess your place in the situation.

No, Beregond did what was right and defended a true patriot even after the ruler of Gondor had fallen under the influence of the Dark Lord.

Not a perfect analogy but workable.

No, Beregond did what was right and defended a true patriot even after the ruler of Gondor had fallen under the influence of the Dark Lord.

Not a perfect analogy but workable.

True Patriot = Only caring about your country when the people vote your way.

[Leroy Jenkins]FOOOOOOOORT SUMMMMMMTER!!!!!![/Leroy Jenkins]

No, Beregond did what was right and defended a true patriot even after the ruler of Gondor had fallen under the influence of the Dark Lord.

Not a perfect analogy but workable.

Oh, so I'M Beregond.

Toodles.

Funny. I feel the same about you.

I couldn't be happier. :tongue:

As for how I value your posts, let's just say that they don't quite rise to that level.

True Patriot = Only caring about your country when the people vote your way.


Don't forget -- when your guy is in charge, then it's treason to criticize the president, but when the Bla-- I mean, Dark Lord is in charge, then it's true patriotism to do nothing but bitch against the president. Incessantly. With really stupid catchphrases.

Don't forget -- when your guy is in charge, then it's treason to criticize the president, but when the Bla-- I mean, Dark Lord is in charge, then it's true patriotism to do nothing but bitch about the president. Incessantly. With really stupid catchphrases.

A true patriot would never support a n*gger.

Unless he is the chairmen of the GOP. Then I guess its ok.

[Leroy Jenkins]FOOOOOOOORT SUMMMMMMTER!!!!!![/Leroy Jenkins]

Don't forget -- when your guy is in charge, then it's treason to criticize the president, but when the Bla-- I mean, Dark Lord is in charge, then it's true patriotism to do nothing but bitch about the president. Incessantly. With really stupid catchphrases.

seriously, it kills me...I think maybe the Dark Lord should tell them this...

http://ui30.gamespot.com/2397/vaderfail_2.jpg

Don't forget -- when your guy is in charge, then it's treason to criticize the president, but when the Bla-- I mean, Dark Lord is in charge, then it's true patriotism to do nothing but bitch against the president. Incessantly. With really stupid catchphrases.

Which is why I propose we give them a taste of their own medicine...

I'm a caster. Can I be Saruman?
I'm a castrato. Can i be ... of service?

Warhammer totally owns Lord of the Rings anyway.....

I couldn't be happier. :tongue:

As for how I value your posts, let's just say that they don't quite rise to that level.

Oh please say you value my posts New Mitanni! Please please please!

Warhammer totally owns Lord of the Rings anyway.....

Booo!

;)

Ok, I'm getting spammy now. I guess this thread is rubbing off on me.

Booo!

;)

No no no no...I meant Literally, Games Workshop owns the Rights to both brands, lol :p

Which is why I propose we give them a taste of their own medicine...
Don't. You know how I feel about that.

Which is why I propose we give them a taste of their own medicine...

No. I do not believe that the appropriate response to such repulsive behavior is to emulate it. I don't endure the GOP to become like them.

Don't. You know how I feel about that.

Listen to your mother Heikoku! ;)

Which is why I propose we give them a taste of their own medicine...Sink to their level? Never.

Oh please say you value my posts New Mitanni! Please please please!

[Deanna Troi] Captain, I sense... sarcasm. [/Deanna Troy]

Listen to your mother Heikoku! ;)

Well, she IS the Unohana to my Kurotsuchi, but I'd not say their relationship is a mother-son one. :p

(Wiki Bleach Characters to get the references)

Well, she IS the Unohana to my Kurotsuchi, but I'd not say their relationship is a mother-son one. :pThat made my head hurt just thinking about it.

That made my head hurt just thinking about it.

I did get into a "Kurotsuchi" position - my own fault. I'm the "SOB on our side" to many people here. ;)

I did get into a "Kurotsuchi" position - my own fault. I'm the "SOB on our side" to many people here. ;)I'll work with you, but you're just a little bit nuts. ;)

I'll work with you, but you're just a little bit nuts. ;)

Pretty much, maybe except for the "just a little bit". :p

Pretty much, maybe except for the "just a little bit". :pI was trying to be nice about it. :D

Well, hours worked never did reach the 1929 levels during the entire decade of the 1930s. Not before, nor after FDR's New Deal.

Hours worked? That's hardly a good measurement. Well for you the business man I guess is good. Nowawdays; many people work far more hours for less. Not exactly a great plan especially when you hear business leaders complaining about the loyalty of employees.

I guess your Granddad had one of those jobs that kept the recovery from coming. I suspect, I'd see things his way in that case, too.
Actually, he drove a truck for the rock quarry and he had his own farm so he did ok.

As far as Bush's tax cuts... The economy did grow. Tax revenue did increase. He just spent it too fast, with the Congress as a willing accomplice. Don't believe everything you read at MoveOn.org.

Matter of perception. I don't think it did as I saw budgets shrink and our sales guys says sales were declining. Our industry could be a measure of the economy. Sales are good when it's good and sales drop when it's bad. More so then others as the software is super expensive.

Moveon? Do you actually think all read that? I have been on that site probably 3 maybe 4 times....


:rolleyes:

Yeah, right.

Democrats can trash everything President Bush did for eight years and that's OK.


Yes he more then earned it.

Republicans oppose the Dark Lord's transparent attempt to send the 63 million lemmings in this country over the cliff in support of his scheme to pay off every libtard constituency that has ever existed, destroy free enterprise capitalism and create the United Socialist States of America, and that's "naysaying" and "partisanship."


Oh I think the contards have given way mroe to their constituents.

Rubbish.

And btw: if Tim Geithner, the Dark Lord's first tax-cheat cabinet appointment, was just "sloppy", and Puff Daschle is his second tax-cheat cabinet appointment, does that make Daschle the Dark Lord's "sloppy seconds?" Just wondering.

Hmm how many of the great God Regans staff were convicted?

But I understand your frustration. It's annoying to have supported the schmuck for the past 8 years.

But I understand your frustration.

Oh, there's frustration, all right, but there's also desperation and powerlessness, as we undo the dystopia Bush created and his kind liked so much. And that dystopia WILL be undone. It IS being undone as we speak. And Busheviks can do NOTHING about it. Isn't that delightful?

Let's see here:

Gitmo is being closed.
The President is someone that recognized the mistake in the Iraq war from the beginning.
An amendment against gay marriage is NOT going to pass.
Health-care and other public services will be restored.
Torture ceased to be policy.
Church and State will be further apart.
Etc.
Etc.
E t c.

Watashitachi no kachi da yo. A vitória é nossa. Victory is ours.

Victory is ours.
Ours? You're not even an American! :P

Ours? You're not even an American! :P

I'm a liberal nonetheless.

i think obama means "he is with us" i read that some where and what's Dhoulou anyway? is it what that luo tribe of kenya speaks?

i think obama means "he is with us" i read that some where and what's Dhoulou anyway? is it what that luo tribe of kenya speaks?

Yes that's the Luo language, and from what I read it has no meaning, its just a common surname.

Yes that's the Luo language, and from what I read it has no meaning, its just a common surname.
ok just don't know much about kenya, but i read his dad was from the luo tribe, so i guessed if his last name was said to be Dhoulou, that would be the tribe's language. i read a lot when not playing online.