NationStates Jolt Archive


Snuff.

Ferrous Oxide
27-01-2009, 01:27
Have you ever used the stuff? What's it like?

Here in Australia it's banned, which I find hilarious, considering it's so, so much more healthy than smoking or chewing. If it were legal, I'd probably give it a try.
Trollgaard
27-01-2009, 01:29
Umm no.

I'll stick to cigarettes.
Wilgrove
27-01-2009, 01:30
Aww, I thought this was going to be a thread about snuff films. :(
Fassitude
27-01-2009, 01:33
Snus. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus)

Illegal in the EU, except for Sweden, as we're special that way. Appearance-wise it's quite vile and some people's inability to discard the packets in the trash instead of spitting them out randomly is irksome, but it's far, far more preferable to smoking, as the filthy habit affects no one else but the user.
Trollgaard
27-01-2009, 01:36
Snus. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus)

Illegal in the EU, except for Sweden, as we're special that way. Appearance-wise it's quite vile and some people's inability to discard the packets in the trash instead of spitting them out randomly is irksome, but it's far, far more preferable than smoking, as the filthy habit affects no one else but the user.

*smokes by Fass*
Knights of Liberty
27-01-2009, 01:37
Its pretty fail.
Turaan
27-01-2009, 01:38
Have you ever used the stuff? What's it like?

Here in Australia it's banned, which I find hilarious, considering it's so, so much more healthy than smoking or chewing. If it were legal, I'd probably give it a try.

There's the nordic type, which you put under your lips. Don't like it, don't use it.

Then there's the divine blessing from England called McChrystal's:
http://www.wellig.ch/mediac/400_0/media/mcchrystals_gross.gif

It's the best European dry snuff there is. I consume a large box in 2-3 weeks (sometimes less) and don't smoke.
Fassitude
27-01-2009, 01:38
*smokes by Fass*

Oh, just try to.
Neo Art
27-01-2009, 01:39
Aww, I thought this was going to be a thread about snuff films. :(

and you're....disappointed that it's not?
Trollgaard
27-01-2009, 01:40
Oh, just try to.

Why try when I did?

:wink:

*continues smoking near Fass*

Hey fass want a cigarette?
VirginiaCooper
27-01-2009, 01:42
What's the difference between snuff and chew? I always thought they were the same.
Fassitude
27-01-2009, 01:43
Why try when I did?

In Swedish, the word for "figment of the imagination" is "fantasifoster". It literally means "imagination fetus". Yours, I have to state, is an aborted one.
Trollgaard
27-01-2009, 01:44
I thought snuff was the powder tobacco you snort like coke.
Wilgrove
27-01-2009, 01:44
and you're....disappointed that it's not?

I like BDSM and the SAW franchise, think about it.
Fassitude
27-01-2009, 01:45
I like BDSM and the SAW franchise, think about it.

I think everyone would rather not.
Trollgaard
27-01-2009, 01:45
In Swedish, the word for "figment of the imagination" is "fantasifoster". It literally means "imagination fetus". Yours, I have to state, is an aborted one.

Haha!

Okay, okay. I smoked near you on this thread.

If I was smoking near you in real life, what would you do?

And you can still have a cigarette if you want.
Knights of Liberty
27-01-2009, 01:47
In Swedish, the word for "figment of the imagination" is "fantasifoster". It literally means "imagination fetus".

Thats pretty awesome.
Fassitude
27-01-2009, 01:47
If I was smoking near you in real life

You wouldn't be.
Neo Art
27-01-2009, 01:47
I like BDSM and the SAW franchise, think about it.

I'd honestly rather not. The image of you and BDSM is bad enough...
Turaan
27-01-2009, 01:48
I thought snuff was the powder tobacco you snort like coke.

Ye, that's the better one. ;)
Fassitude
27-01-2009, 01:48
Thats pretty awesome.

It's Swedish.
Trollgaard
27-01-2009, 01:49
You wouldn't be.

Why not?

What if I smoking in a restaurant? In my car next to your car? In a park? Outside of a building? Walking down the sidewalk? at a house party? etc
Knights of Liberty
27-01-2009, 01:49
Ye, that's the better one. ;)

This I must try.
Neo Art
27-01-2009, 01:50
This I must try.


Of course, its probably illegal in the US.

nah, snuff is perfectly legal in the US
Knights of Liberty
27-01-2009, 01:51
nah, snuff is perfectly legal in the US

Hmmm.
Fassitude
27-01-2009, 01:53
Why not?

Because you would never be an acquaintance of mine.

What if I smoking in a restaurant?

Banned.

In my car next to your car?

You don't seem to understand the barrier function of windows. Just because they're translucent doesn't mean they're permeable.

In a park? Outside of a building? Walking down the sidewalk? etc

You would not be in my vicinity in any instance of those.
Ashmoria
27-01-2009, 01:54
Snus. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus)

Illegal in the EU, except for Sweden, as we're special that way. Appearance-wise it's quite vile and some people's inability to discard the packets in the trash instead of spitting them out randomly is irksome, but it's far, far more preferable to smoking, as the filthy habit affects no one else but the user.
i saw something like that in the convenience store last week. the literature on it claimed that its not snuff but is tobacco. i was at a loss as to how it differed from snuff--not that i know for sure what is in snuff.
Trollgaard
27-01-2009, 01:55
Because you would never be an acquaintance of mine.



Banned.



You don't seem to understand the barrier function of windows. Just because they're translucent doesn't mean they're permeable.



You would not be in my vicinity in any instance of those.

Hmmph.

How would I not be in your vicinity? What if I lit up a cigarette when you were near me?

Ok.

What if someone, anyone, was smoking near you? What would you do?

About the cars...the windows are rolled down. You pull up next to me at a stoplight and your windows are down. Wutcha gonna do? (probably just roll your windows up)
Zilam
27-01-2009, 02:50
I like BDSM and the SAW franchise, think about it.

So you get off on people killing each other on film?

....
Bouitazia
27-01-2009, 02:57
I use the under-the-lip kind of snuff that comes in portion packs (called just portion snuff in swedish).
As Fass said, it is much more preferable to smoking,
and healthier as well.
FreeSatania
27-01-2009, 03:14
Yuck, I don't like snuff ... either kind.

As for BDSM... :p
Cannot think of a name
27-01-2009, 03:21
It's a little strange, and the sensation of something going up your nose is trippy (well, for me, having never done methamphetamine or cocaine.)

It's a bit like shoving a mint sprig straight up your nose.
Yootopia
27-01-2009, 03:25
Snus I've done. Other than that I stick to roll-ups and cigars.
FreeSatania
27-01-2009, 03:25
Yeah but at least there is a point to doing coke.
New Wallonochia
27-01-2009, 04:21
and healthier as well.

In the same way that getting stabbed in the hand is healthier than getting stabbed in the lung.

Is snuff similar to dipping tobacco? Tons of my military friends do it (it's not a big "hey shoot me" target at night like cigarettes) but it certainly isn't my thing. I stick to coffee and tea for my stimulants.
Ferrous Oxide
27-01-2009, 05:01
Is snuff similar to dipping tobacco? Tons of my military friends do it (it's not a big "hey shoot me" target at night like cigarettes) but it certainly isn't my thing. I stick to coffee and tea for my stimulants.

It's addictive like tobacco, but it's safe to use. There's been one case of cancer from snuff in three centuries.
greed and death
27-01-2009, 05:13
Have you ever used the stuff? What's it like?

Here in Australia it's banned, which I find hilarious, considering it's so, so much more healthy than smoking or chewing. If it were legal, I'd probably give it a try.

i tried snuff back in high school. My dad caught me and made me eat the can. I spent 3 hours vomiting and after that i could never look at a can of snuff with out feeling nauseous
Todsboro
27-01-2009, 06:01
Is snuff similar to dipping tobacco? Tons of my military friends do it (it's not a big "hey shoot me" target at night like cigarettes) but it certainly isn't my thing. I stick to coffee and tea for my stimulants.

There are two types of snuff: dry and wet. The wet stuff is basically 'dip'. The dry stuff is what you snort.

IIRC, the wet snuff just tends to be cut a bit finer than normal 'dip', so it hits the bloodstream a bit faster. Which may (or may not) explain its popularity.

Just sent a roll (ten cans) of Copenhagen Snuff to my brother in Afghanistan. It's the wet kind.
Todsboro
27-01-2009, 06:01
It's addictive like tobacco, but it's safe to use. There's been one case of cancer from snuff in three centuries.

Yeah, I'm not believing that.
Ferrous Oxide
27-01-2009, 06:09
Yeah, I'm not believing that.

One reported case in the UK, anyway. It was from a guy who put it in his ear for some reason.
New Illuve
27-01-2009, 06:19
The EU is gently examining the ban on wet snuff and chew, as a possible alternative to smoking, for those that want to continue to get their nicotine fix without the associated cancer risks of smoking (both active and passive smoking). While smokeless tobacco *does* have a cancer risk, it's much less than for smoking.

Maybe I'll finally get to enjoy my Redman again! Or I'll finally learn to dip properly....
Blouman Empire
28-01-2009, 14:42
Oh, just try to.

What are you going to do?
FreeSatania
28-01-2009, 17:05
There's nothing pleasant or satisfying about snuff or chewing tobbaco. I like to hold the cigatette, stare at the little burning ember and *feel* the smoke going into my lungs as I take each drag. IMHO the act of smoking is just as pleasurable as the nicotine itself.
Ashmoria
28-01-2009, 17:11
There's nothing pleasant or satisfying about snuff or chewing tobbaco. I like to hold the cigatette, stare at the little burning ember and *feel* the smoke going into my lungs as I take each drag. IMHO the act of smoking is just as pleasurable as the nicotine itself.
yeah

smoking has the benefit of being cool. no habit is cooler (except perhaps martini drinking but you cant do that all day)

chewing tobacco and snuff is pathetic. if you are reduced to chewing to get a nicotine fix, its time to quit. or at least move on to nicotine gum.
FreeSatania
28-01-2009, 17:17
... perhaps martini drinking but you cant do that all day ...


I think you just inspired my new plan for the day. :)
New Texoma Land
28-01-2009, 17:28
It's addictive like tobacco, but it's safe to use. There's been one case of cancer from snuff in three centuries.

That smokeless tobacco is safe is a common misconception.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070809130018.htm

ScienceDaily (Aug. 10, 2007) — It may not be inhaled into the lungs, but smokeless tobacco exposes users to some of the same potent carcinogens as cigarettes. In the August issue of Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention, a journal of the American Association for Cancer Research, researchers at the University of Minnesota Cancer Center report that users of smokeless tobacco are exposed to higher amounts of tobacco-specific nitrosamines -- molecules that are known to be carcinogenic -- than smokers.

"Smokeless tobacco products have been proposed by some as safer alternatives to cigarettes, but they are not safe," said author Stephen S. Hecht, Ph.D., professor of cancer prevention at the University of Minnesota Cancer Center. "The only likely safe alternative to smoking is the long term use of nicotine replacement therapy as a means to reduce dependence."

"In fact, this study lends evidence to support the notion that the oral use of tobacco actually provides a more efficient means for delivering certain carcinogens into the body through the bloodstream, although cigarette smoke includes a host of carcinogenic products that aren't a major factor in smokeless tobacco," Hecht said.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/tobacco/smokeless

#3 What cancers are caused by or associated with smokeless tobacco use?

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Smokeless tobacco users increase their risk for cancer of the oral cavity. Oral cancer can include cancer of the lip, tongue, cheeks, gums, and the floor and roof of the mouth.
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People who use oral snuff for a long time have a much greater risk for cancer of the cheek and gum than people who do not use smokeless tobacco.
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The possible increased risk for other types of cancer from smokeless tobacco is being studied.

#4 What are some of the other ways smokeless tobacco can harm users' health?

Some of the other effects of smokeless tobacco use include addiction to nicotine, oral leukoplakia (white mouth lesions that can become cancerous), gum disease, and gum recession (when the gum pulls away from the teeth). Possible increased risks for heart disease, diabetes, and reproductive problems are being studied.

#5 Is smokeless tobacco a good substitute for cigarettes?

In 1986, the Surgeon General concluded that the use of smokeless tobacco "is not a safe substitute for smoking cigarettes. It can cause cancer and a number of noncancerous conditions and can lead to nicotine addiction and dependence." Since 1991, the National Cancer Institute (NCI), a part of the National Institutes of Health, has officially recommended that the public avoid and discontinue the use of all tobacco products, including smokeless tobacco. NCI also recognizes that nitrosamines, found in tobacco products, are not safe at any level. The accumulated scientific evidence does not support changing this position.
Peepelonia
28-01-2009, 18:32
Yep tried that, it's fine, certianly clears the old sinuses.
Daistallia 2104
28-01-2009, 19:15
i saw something like that in the convenience store last week. the literature on it claimed that its not snuff but is tobacco. i was at a loss as to how it differed from snuff--not that i know for sure what is in snuff.

Snuff is very fine dry tobacco snorted nasally, dip is a fine cut moist tobacco tucked between the lip and gum, snus is a similar product to dip in a pouch.

The EU is gently examining the ban on wet snuff and chew, as a possible alternative to smoking, for those that want to continue to get their nicotine fix without the associated cancer risks of smoking (both active and passive smoking). While smokeless tobacco *does* have a cancer risk, it's much less than for smoking.

Maybe I'll finally get to enjoy my Redman again! Or I'll finally learn to dip properly....

Chew, dip, snus, snuff, and other smokeless tabacoo products don't poison others. Snus is supposedly set to take off in the US as it's not a spit product like dip or chew.
Daistallia 2104
28-01-2009, 19:18
yeah

smoking has the benefit of being cool. no habit is cooler (except perhaps martini drinking but you cant do that all day)

chewing tobacco and snuff is pathetic. if you are reduced to chewing to get a nicotine fix, its time to quit. or at least move on to nicotine gum.

Smoking tobacco has the "benefit" of passing on your intoxicant to others. Chew and dip are "old school" cool.
FreeSatania
28-01-2009, 19:24
Smoking tobacco has the "benefit" of passing on your intoxicant to others. Chew and dip are "old school" cool.

Know whats 'old school cool'? Not banning anything and letting people make up their own freakin' minds.
Daistallia 2104
28-01-2009, 19:42
Know whats 'old school cool'? Not banning anything and letting people make up their own freakin' minds.

I've no problems with that as long as the rule about "you've the right to swing your fist as lon as you don't hit anybody" applies...

Smoking in public forces others to inhale your drug, that's not cool.
FreeSatania
28-01-2009, 20:30
I'm hardly forcing you to breath. Thats *your* choice.
Knights of Liberty
28-01-2009, 20:32
Does it give you a buzz?
Daistallia 2104
28-01-2009, 20:55
I'm hardly forcing you to breath. Thats *your* choice.

I 'spect you're taking the piss. Hard to tell online sometimes, especially on NSG, where one's likely to encounter all sorts of nasty.

Does it give you a buzz?

Yep.

I dip or chew on occassion, usually when I've returned back from the states, as snuff and smokes are all that's available here.

Just an off note: As with any drug use, ritual plays a part. Caffine and alcohol users have regular rituals that are psycologically associated w/ the "high" just as much as a smoker, dipper, or smackhead.

Dip ritual: tap the tin to compact it, twist open tin, squeeze a pinch, and tuck it under my upper lip. Buzz/Chill hits pretty quick. More of a buzz when it's been a while, more of a chill after I've been using a few days. The dip lasts an hour or two, and I'll spit out around a half cup/150 ml.
Knights of Liberty
28-01-2009, 21:43
Yep.

I dip or chew on occassion, usually when I've returned back from the states, as snuff and smokes are all that's available here.

Just an off note: As with any drug use, ritual plays a part. Caffine and alcohol users have regular rituals that are psycologically associated w/ the "high" just as much as a smoker, dipper, or smackhead.

Dip ritual: tap the tin to compact it, twist open tin, squeeze a pinch, and tuck it under my upper lip. Buzz/Chill hits pretty quick. More of a buzz when it's been a while, more of a chill after I've been using a few days. The dip lasts an hour or two, and I'll spit out around a half cup/150 ml.

Ive never gotten a buzz from dipping. I keep being told Im doin' it wrong. Ive never chewed.
Ashmoria
28-01-2009, 22:18
Smoking tobacco has the "benefit" of passing on your intoxicant to others. Chew and dip are "old school" cool.
no they are just disgusting. no cool involved.

unless you are a member of the french aristocracy or something.
German Nightmare
28-01-2009, 22:18
I've used Redman chewing tobacco and Pöschl's Gletscherprise menthol snuff.

I enjoyed both as an alternative to smoking tobacco, but I can't get my hands on Redman over here and I've never completely gotten used to snuffing tobacco.
Yootopia
28-01-2009, 22:59
Smoking tobacco has the "benefit" of passing on your intoxicant to others.
Uhu.
Chew and dip are "old school" cool.
So "not cool in the slightest" then.