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Why do you the job (or study) that you do? Do you really feel passionately about your work, and regard it as a cause? Is it something you just found yourself doing? Is it because of actual or potential rewards, or just a way to pay the mortgage/rent?

If it is a cause, why? Do you wish it were just a job/course you didn't care about so you feel less pressure?

If it is a job for money (either high or low pay) or study leading to that, do you wish you had some other element to it as well?

I enjoy it, I'm good at it and it pays well.

Why do you the job (or study) that you do? Do you really feel passionately about your work, and regard it as a cause? I love flying. Something about being up in the air with nothing but a few moving parts and pieces of metal between myself and a couple thousand foot fall is...fun/exciting. :)

Currently unemployed, seeking a job to pay rent,food and other necessity´s of life,
and ultimately hoping to find a job that can become my cause in life.

What I do I simply do because it gives me money to pay the bills and my pleasures. I am only doing this job till I get something I want to do plus it gives me some more experience which will help with the jobs I want to do.

I enjoy it, I'm good at it and it pays well.

^^ This.

I also like the company and the way it does business.

I'm volunteering at the minute, and I do it because I believe in the work of humanitarian agencies. I'm also on the job hunt for a wage, but that's just to save up to be able to go and get a qualification in something that'll help me help out with more potency.

I'm volunteering at the minute, and I do it because I believe in the work of humanitarian agencies. I'm also on the job hunt for a wage, but that's just to save up to be able to go and get a qualification in something that'll help me help out with more potency.

Feel free to take my place... My wage-slave job to pay for uni is for a humanitarian charity :D

I sort of fell ass-backwards into it....my usual MO.

I've got to do something to take up time between now and when I die. My current job/education are more enjoyable than many of the alternatives.
I also do some volunteer work (tonight I'm counting homeless people! YAY!). I have no idea why I volunteer, though, and I try not to think about it too much.

A series of unfortunate events led me to my current career in libraries, though I enjoy it and I am good at it.

There are two kinds of things I "do." There's what I do, my career, the work that's meaningful and satisfying to me. And then there's how I get money, my "day jobs." Unfortunately, they are not the same thing.

I do art and writing because I love them and they make me happy and they make other people happy, too. But the fine art market is too small to support me with the kind of work I do (not huge projects that get public or corporate money) and until recently I never thought about commercializing what I do. And I never even tried to write for publication.

I have marketable skills that make me very, very good at secretarial, office support and retail work, and that's what I've normally done for money, on and off, from year to year, but I can't even express how much I hate those jobs. Hate to the point of depression if I stay in one too long. It used to be okay to bounce from one low-level job to another, but nowadays people expect every store clerk to have high level educational training in cash register management or some such bullshit, and demand a near religious-vocation-level of (pretend) dedication to the company. My resume isn't BS-y enough for a lot of hirers.

So now, in the middle of the worst economic conditions of my life, I'm considering finally merging life's work with money work and turning my art work into a business off some kind. Why not? I have no day job right now and I'm not getting any calls for interviews. What else have I got to do while I wait for my savings to run out?

I enjoy chemical engineering, and it has the added benefit of paying the bills.

I like money and wouldn't know what to do with myself otherwise...I just work to get drunk enough to feel happy :/

most depressing thread evar!

I have no idea why I volunteer, though, and I try not to think about it too much.

its because once they get your details you can never get rid of them :mad:

I'm pretty good at quite a few things, but being silly is the only thing I'm really great at. :)

I'm pretty good at quite a few things, but being silly is the only thing I'm really great at. :)

bet you get good mileage on the company car

bet you get good mileage on the company car

Yep. :)

basically working to keep afloat, pay off the family debts from the family business. my parents believe in what they do. i believe in them, and that they should be able to retire and be happy one day. that's my goal. then i can work on getting my own life/job sorted and (hopefully) do something i actually enjoy

I do what I do, protocol/curator/translator because there's nothing that moves me more than being knee-deep in old archives, touching history first hand and providing translations for old documets. There's nothing more rewarding for me than prepare the exhibit of the different rooms, to manage their threasures, their paintings, their sculptures. I do what I do because its my passion and I see myself doing nothing else. It makes me happy.

I study Journalism and English Lit. Behind all the tabloid journalism, there are actual journalists who want to seek out the actual truth about problems that matter in the world. I wish to be one of them. If that doesn't work out, then I can always go into radio production. I also like reading books, plus in Eng Lit you gain important analytical skills.

Also, if I get the job I have an interview for, I'll have money in my pocket again and I'll be able to see gigs and shows for free.

I do it because I want a decent job in later life. That's about it.

I have a love of history and how it affects the present.

SNIP

so your buying lots of lottery tickets? :tongue:

there's nothing that moves me more than being knee-deep in old archives, touching history first hand and providing translations for old documets.

so for a job you write word for word translations all day of impossible to read manuscripts >.>

I do it because I want a decent job in later life. That's about it.

aren't you doing like social studies or something?

I'm just putting tools into my toolkit. Studying the law has given me tremendous insight into political process, as well as allowing me to tackle problems in a very tangible way. I don't intend to work myself into an early grave in order to pursue material zen...mostly it's about 'are you SURE you want to fuck with me?'

so for a job you write word for word translations all day of impossible to read manuscripts >.>

That's only part of my job. I also recieve diplomatics, I curate works of art and get to interact with a lot of interesting people. I get tired, I won't lie there, but it's so rewarding all the time.

Because I love mutilating bodies.

Because I love mutilating bodies.

Oh! You make lingerie for Victoria Secret (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6225503&page=1)!

Oh! You make lingerie for Victoria Secret (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6225503&page=1)!

Shit! She's onto me! *Kills and mutilates Neesika*

aren't you doing like social studies or something?
History, with a German free elective this year and I'll be doing a French one next year to keep my languages up.

so your buying lots of lottery tickets? :tongue:



i do, lol! that would be just magic... pay off all the debts in one and get to actually live again. work to live rather than live to work. that would be nice.

since i've come onboard, though, we're slowly turning the boat around. they've been slowly bashing the debts, and i've been trying to inject a somewhat more... realistic approach to their business. they've lost sight of what's commerical, largely because they love what they do (but not having to do it 12-16 hours a day, 7 days a week, just to pay the bills and still worry like fuck). my overall aim: turn their 25+ years' experience in the sector we work with into branded, packaged, commercial products with genunie intellectual property value.

this recession isn't helping much, though :rolleyes:

I like being me, would you like to be me too?

I do what I do because the economy has given me no choice.

I got laid off from my dream job last month, yay.

I like being me, would you like to be me too?

No one can be or do you, MHiJ.:wink:

I do what I do because the economy has given me no choice.

I got laid off from my dream job last month, yay.
i take it you have plans for the future in a similar area of work whatever that may be?
No one can be or do you, MHiJ.:wink:
thanks...i think.:$

thanks...i think.:$

It's true. Who can emulate or be you if not you? You're unique, and no one can repeat who you are.

i take it you have plans for the future in a similar area of work whatever that may be?Hotel management, and yes absolutely.

Pays a lot, and I love(d) doing it.

Now I'm in a dead end job that won't give me more than 12 hours a week, at nearly minimum wage. I barely break $400 a month in income. :eek:

Back to the parents, I go...

Hotel management, and yes absolutely.

Pays a lot, and I love(d) doing it.

Now I'm in a dead end job that won't give me more than 12 hours a week, at nearly minimum wage. I barely break $400 a month in income. :eek:

Back to the parents, I go...

why not get the band back together? and give the proceeds to a nunnery you used to go to? you could say you're on a mission from God.:wink:

Hotel management, and yes absolutely.

Pays a lot, and I love(d) doing it.

Now I'm in a dead end job that won't give me more than 12 hours a week, at nearly minimum wage. I barely break $400 a month in income. :eek:

Back to the parents, I go...


Look to the silver lining bit, you only have to spent 12 hours a week there :D

I couldn't hack more than the 14 hrs/wk I do at work (which is the minimum they let me get away with), even if I didn't have to cram it in around study. Even charitable work can be soul destroying, paticularly if you don't give a shit about said charitable cause.

Look to the silver lining bit, you only have to spent 12 hours a week there :D

I couldn't hack more than the 14 hrs/wk I do at work (which is the minimum they let me get away with), even if I didn't have to cram it in around study. Even charitable work can be soul destroying, paticularly if you don't give a shit about said charitable cause.

i hear that, i worked for a charity looking after youths at a centre, but they didn't give a shit so i thought why bother going if the people you're trying to help think you're just trash?

I do both my jobs because I enjoy them. I do graphic art on commission because I like the challenge, I love to create and draw. HTML is a better paint brush for me than a real paint brush.

I work in radio for the money, but also because I like working in a job that allows me to do a bit of travel, meet people, and touch people's lives.

*snip*

Damn you for being so sexy and out of reach! ;)

i hear that, i worked for a charity looking after youths at a centre, but they didn't give a shit so i thought why bother going if the people you're trying to help think you're just trash?

If it's not your cause, no reason at all... Just because something is charitable, doesn't mean that everyone should feel obliged to give heart and soul to it, and some charities to act like that.

"We SAVE THE CHILDREN... do YOU?"
"Actually...No... Just, no"

I got lucky with my current job, managed to impress a few people enough for them to give me a job - although I'm in an employment agency I've convinced my client to try and secure me a permanent job with them as I want more financial security than I have at the moment and also like the company very, very much for its ethics and conduct.

I know that I'm a damn good worker but due to past experience I now hate and wouldn't touch with a barge pole - sales roles and the retail sector. I am neutral with regards to my actual job though... it's not good but it pays ok considering what I do.

Admittedley though I do miss my old lower-paid job, I loved interacting with so many different people and giving them a hand when I could, used to work helping people get back into work heh.

History, with a German free elective this year and I'll be doing a French one next year to keep my languages up.

I do it because I want a decent job in later life. That's about it.

:tongue: *hands some pamphlets for infantry officer*

i do, lol! that would be just magic... pay off all the debts in one and get to actually live again. work to live rather than live to work. that would be nice.

why waste a once in a lifetime opportunity on something silly like debt when you could buy a solid gold plane...or Rolf Harris!

plus I think the bank might suddenly become your new best friend :wink:

this recession isn't helping much, though :rolleyes:

isn't the government throwing money at small businesses right now?

Back to the parents, I go...

don't say that I just found out my shitty factory job I took because there is nothing else is "downsizing" soon *takes note to steal everything....more than usual*

I enjoy it, I'm good at it and it pays well.

^^^ This.

Plus, I'm not very good at anything else, so I was more or less bound to end up where I am now.

Ideals that match the profession I'm pursuing, which lead to a job that keeps me fed.

isn't the government throwing money at small businesses right now?


we're not seeing any of it, largely cos the banks are keeping it all for themselves, just like how they're not passing on interest rate cuts. tossers. :mad:

Basically, I'm a kid with no formal education in a failing economy. So I bend over everyday and tell capitalism to have at it.

I tried selling homemade jewelry, but it's just not enough to eat and put gas in the car.

So, I sold my soul and I work at Mc Donalds.

we're not seeing any of it, largely cos the banks are keeping it all for themselves, just like how they're not passing on interest rate cuts. tossers. :mad:

Basically, I'm a kid with no formal education in a failing economy. So I bend over everyday and tell capitalism to have at it.

I tried selling homemade jewelry, but it's just not enough to eat and put gas in the car.

So, I sold my soul and I work at Mc Donalds.


The rich harvest of free market fanatacism, I'm not lovin' it :(

Combo of what you mentioned really. In many ways I sort of feel into the path of being on my way to being a lawyer. But I also do believe in it. Justice, the protection of rights and all that jazz. And if I'm good and make smart moves, the money side of it doesn't hurt either. So that where I'm at, not the worse place.

:tongue: *hands some pamphlets for infantry officer*

He said "good job" not "job where I spend my time making elaborate and useless powerpoint presentations for the Colonel as a staff officer or spend every waking moment making my sergeants' lives hell with an endless stream of stupid ideas".

Unless, of course, British officers are completely different from ours.

I'm a self employed mechanic, so I'm content. I work when I want, I'm good at what I do, and it's finally starting to pay the bills.

For the benefits. I could possibly get a job that pays more money, but there really aren't any that would provide me with benefits (not at first, anyway).

I was doing something else that I was okay at and marking time before I could move on, I started to do the other thing which I won more awards for in a short period of time than I had the entire time I spent doing the other thing. Since all I ever did was tell stories anyway, and I spent so much of my life watching movies, I thought I'd get off the fence and dive in.

Why do you the job (or study) that you do? Do you really feel passionately about your work, and regard it as a cause? Is it something you just found yourself doing? Is it because of actual or potential rewards, or just a way to pay the mortgage/rent?

If it is a cause, why? Do you wish it were just a job/course you didn't care about so you feel less pressure?

If it is a job for money (either high or low pay) or study leading to that, do you wish you had some other element to it as well?

I do the job because I like that sort of stuff (I'm a soundie at my uni), I study my course because I like the subject (economics).

I've always loved the industry I work in but the reason I do the specific job I do is because people think I'm good at it.

Is it a cause? No. I would love to create a product that I'm really proud of but I'm victim to circumstance and circumstance dictates that I can't help but be party to bad products.

I'm hopefully moving into an area where I can start to make great products but I'm getting less optimistic as time goes on.

It's a pretty easy job that pays well.

I enjoy it, I find it interesting, it keeps me as a student until i'm 24 and once the oil/ mining commodity prices go back up it's likely to result in a pretty well paid job as well.

we're not seeing any of it, largely cos the banks are keeping it all for themselves, just like how they're not passing on interest rate cuts. tossers. :mad:

:eek2: time to accidentally set that sinking ship on fire and claim the insurance

bullshit public bureaucrat jobs ftw!

Basically, I'm a kid with no formal education in a failing economy. So I bend over everyday and tell capitalism to have at it.

me too we should set up a fan club and trade pogs

So, I sold my soul and I work at Mc Donalds.

apply for receptionist-esque jobs at the NHS as long as you actually wear clothes to the interview you will outshine most :wink:

He said "good job" not "job where I spend my time making elaborate and useless powerpoint presentations for the Colonel as a staff officer or spend every waking moment making my sergeants' lives hell with an endless stream of stupid ideas".

my reasoning is the fact that shit rolls downhill and they can get away with stupid shit like bringing a camo umbrella into the field with them :p

Unless, of course, British officers are completely different from ours.

our ones steal big jars of jelly belly's :mad:

it keeps me as a student until i'm 24

this is a good thing?

Note to everyone, if you do one of the what I do's never accept a 1-800 number as a contact number for someone who owes you $500.

Note to everyone, if you do one of the what I do's never accept a 1-800 number as a contact number for someone who owes you $500.

you gave someone $500 dollars and you didn't expect them to make you work for it back?

you gave someone $500 dollars and you didn't expect them to make you work for it back?

I didn't give them anything, they owe me for services rendered.

my reasoning is the fact that shit rolls downhill and they can get away with stupid shit like bringing a camo umbrella into the field with them :p

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our ones steal big jars of jelly belly's :mad:

My lieutenant tried to steal my Reese's peanut butter cups but I threatened to ruin his career by implicating him in a prostitution ring.

this is a good thing?

Yes, and this is why.

http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1077

I didn't give them anything, they owe me for services rendered.

what service is that?

what service is that?

Web work, dating back from December last year.

Web work, dating back from December last year.

ouch. I take it this is some friend or co-worker who needed a hand and now can't afford to pay you back.
Solicitor time maybe?

ouch. I take it this is some friend or co-worker who needed a hand and now can't afford to pay you back.
Solicitor time maybe?

A lawyer. -_- Was $250 down, $500 afterward.

ouch. I take it this is some friend or co-worker who needed a hand and now can't afford to pay you back.
Solicitor time maybe?

I didn't give them anything, they owe me for services rendered.

I swear to you that cheque is in the mail >_>

My lieutenant tried to steal my Reese's peanut butter cups but I threatened to ruin his career by implicating him in a prostitution ring.

hmm I just <.< stole his ceremonial sword >.>

Yes, and this is why.

what ever happened to the days of getting all your education free off the OU and claiming JSA?!

I swear to you that cheque is in the mail >_>


That's the problem :mad: I told you I only take direct deposit!

I dunno. 0_0

Ideals. This is what I believe in goddammit!
'Tis money that makes the world go round, and lots of it.
I have a real need to eat this month, this job ensures that, more or less.
Don't know really, I just kinda found myself here. Next please...

How's about the "I found a job I like that pays the bills" catagory you forgot in the poll?

I'm not persuing anything ideological, I'm not getting payed big bucks, but I'm payed fair enough that bthe hand-mouth catagory doesn't fit me, but I know why...

(In short, the yur poll sux answer...)

That's the problem :mad: I told you I only take direct deposit!

what are you gonna do? hack my website to pieces and give Call to Power all my credit card details :wink:

fell into it by acciendent, it pays well, I have children!

Because I must, for those that are still alive.

hmm I just <.< stole his ceremonial sword >.>

My lieutenant comes from a family of politicians, so I think my threat was proportional. I wish we had ceremonial swords

what ever happened to the days of getting all your education free off the OU and claiming JSA?!

The Guard pays all of my school and between the GI Bill and my drill pay I get roughly $2,000 per month, $1,500 of that being tax free.

fell into it by acciendent, it pays well, I have children!

good lord thats either the worst or the best job ever

Because I must, for those that are still alive.

You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

My lieutenant comes from a family of politicians, so I think my threat was proportional. I wish we had ceremonial swords

your lieutenant is a Kennedy? you should be glad you don't have officers with pointy swords doing drill close enough to shave you >.<

The Guard pays all of my school

dammit if I ever owed the army money they would send my pasty arse to live in Iraq...oh wait nevermind :tongue:

I get roughly $2,000 per month, $1,500 of that being tax free.

you get paid that for 8 hours of drill?

this is a good thing?

Yes

http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1077

This

On a more long winded note. It gives me time to wait until economies start picking up again and the oil price rises, meaning that oil/mining companies will be more willing to hire graduates on salaries like they were offering before everything went tits up. Aside from that I'm still fairly indecisive as to what I actually want to do.

I'm a student at the moment but I'm hoping that by the time I have my degree I'll be able to get a job I like that pays well enough....I hope

your lieutenant is a Kennedy? you should be glad you don't have officers with pointy swords doing drill close enough to shave you >.<

Nah, such accusations would have no effect on a being of such power. Fair point

dammit if I ever owed the army money they would send my pasty arse to live in Iraq...oh wait nevermind :tongue:

Luckily, I don't have to pay any of it back. Of course, there are drawbacks as you've so politely pointed out :p

you get paid that for 8 hours of drill?

For about 16 hours. This chart (http://militarytimes.com/projects/money/pay_charts/2009/proposed/drill/0_20/) assumes drilling for two works days a month. I'm an E-5 with over 8, so I make 354.40 per month. Of course, sometimes we do drill on Friday evening, Saturday and Sunday so I'd get closer to that $400 mark. The rest of the money comes from the GI Bill, which counts as education benefits and thus is not taxable and does not count as income on my tax forms.

Obviously money is a big motivation for working but ideals come into the choice of job. I really enjoy teaching.

Yes sometimes the naughtiest kids can be some of the most stimulating...God! Just imagine a class with Ferrous and Happy L throwing dogmatic red herrings, Nanatsu happily flirting at everyone, Luntaic Golfballs tossing irrevereant wisecracks at you and Neu Leonstein raising his hand and saying, "Can we get back to the lasson now, Sir?

Web work, dating back from December last year.

a client owes me £600 for web work and photography from back in... *thinks*... october. she seems to think some minor teething problems with the site (which were promptly fixed), and her inability to use a CMS, mean she doesn't have to pay.

another hint: never work with farmers. they think everything's fucking free, and have no concept of how much real commercial work costs. we run a conference every year and charge maybe £100 a day for full admission and (proper) food. we've been, ourselves, to many a conference where they charge you over £350 per day for admission, with food and specific workshops on top again. that's pretty ordinary. but for us, £100 barely breaks even, but still they complain, en masse, and raising it does just lead to big falls in numbers. grump.

I am a human services major concentrating on children and families. I do this because children mean alot to me, they inspire me to be a better adult. I also am going to school, quite honestly to get my academic professorial parents off my back about it and because I know that for the most part people with a degree of any description do get paid more and generally have a better chance of getting jobs. I chose human services because child care just does not pay enough and here in the states it is not yet treated as the profession (with the professional requirements and pay) that it should be. I generally like most people and enjoy helping others so I figured human services would be good for that and a concentration in children and families would be using my experience in child care and community outreach.

I'm in accounting because I really like keeping track of stuff. That and the fact that accounting is like a gigantic logic puzzle, except you can't really win and cheating on it sends you off to pound-me-in-the-ass prison for a while.

I'm a student. I study history and politics. I do it because my painfully shy personality, lack of common sense [not entirely my own fault, its tied up with problems I've always had organizing my thoughts in a coherent manner and understanding what people mean (which in turn at school led me to be diagnosed with basically any learning difficult they could think of, from Dyspraxia to Aspergers, before giving up because they couldn't work out what it was)]. This combined with other personal stuff combines to makes me almost unemployable, despite me currently being on course for a first or high 2:1.

So after I've finished, I'm probably going to do a Masters in social research methods, then, if I think I can hack it after the Masters, maybe a PhD in something-or-other. Not that I'm vaguely cut out for academia, either, but essays seem to be about the only thing I can do decently, so I'm just buying time before my inevitable failure in life, indebtedness, bankruptcy and eventual permanent incarceration in a mental asylum. Happy days.

It doesn't bother me too much anymore, I know where my life is heading, no sense in worrying unduly before the event and ruining my current life.

what are you gonna do? hack my website to pieces and give Call to Power all my credit card details :wink:

That's one idea...

Obviously money is a big motivation for working but ideals come into the choice of job. I really enjoy teaching.

Yes sometimes the naughtiest kids can be some of the most stimulating...God! Just imagine a class with Ferrous and Happy L throwing dogmatic red herrings, Nanatsu happily flirting at everyone, Luntaic Golfballs tossing irrevereant wisecracks at you and Neu Leonstein raising his hand and saying, "Can we get back to the lasson now, Sir?

Does that make me student teacher?

I wasn't going to respond to this discussion, cuz I thought the question was being asked as something of a farce. But after reading some of the answers, I realized that there are some people who have answered who are very passionate about their beliefs.

subsequently, I'm throwing my 2 cents in - and encourage anyone else to ante up to discuss my point of view.

I do what I do - because it is the RIGHT thing to do.

I determine whether it is the RIGHT thing to do by evaluating the best and worst long-term effects for the people involved. While obviously I cannot ascertain all outcomes, I can logically evaluate whether my actions will have a positive or negative long-term effect on my environment, the people in my life, and the people in their lives.

Through out this discussion, that is one of the dividing factors I've seen: some people are motivated by what they think is right for them, or for what they think is right in a very general, vague way.

How many of you do what is right because you have analyzed/evaluated the potential long-term effects and how your actions will impact the lives of those around you?

Yes sometimes the naughtiest kids can be some of the most stimulating...God! Just imagine a class with Ferrous and Happy L throwing dogmatic red herrings, Nanatsu happily flirting at everyone, Luntaic Golfballs tossing irrevereant wisecracks at you and Neu Leonstein raising his hand and saying, "Can we get back to the lasson now, Sir?

I rather like the integrants of that class.:D

I'm in accounting because I really like keeping track of stuff. That and the fact that accounting is like a gigantic logic puzzle, except you can't really win and cheating on it sends you off to pound-me-in-the-ass prison for a while.

nothing at all to do with the money then? :tongue:

It doesn't bother me too much anymore, I know where my life is heading, no sense in worrying unduly before the event and ruining my current life.

thats the spirit!

I do what I do - because it is the RIGHT thing to do.

you do things because it seems okay by your moral compass O_o

getting up with no sleep and going to work everyday in a bullshit job you hate for years on end is not right by any standard

Money, money and money are my main reasons.

I do software QA. I like it and it pays the bills, best of both worlds. Everything is a balancing act.

Money, money and money

must be funny

In a rich mans world.

In a rich mans world.

Money, money, money = Always sunny?

I dream about having a job I don't hate.

I love music, and if I have to support myself through monetary means, its the only thing I can think of doing as a proffesion. I'm only studying it, at the moment, but if I am going to college will major in Bass (maybe jazz or something) and take lots of music classes in highschool

Money, money, money = Always sunny?
in a rich womans world
I dream about having a job I don't hate.

ah the eternal dilemma of millions of people. can't really help out there i've had similar experience with employment

I'm hoping to go to college in the near future, attain a degree, and in roughly about five years be a happier person with a job I can enjoy.

I dream about having a job I don't hate.

they wouldn't pay you for that :(

I love music, and if I have to support myself through monetary means, its the only thing I can think of doing as a proffesion. I'm only studying it, at the moment, but if I am going to college will major in Bass (maybe jazz or something) and take lots of music classes in highschool

a lifetime spent busking I presume?

in a rich womans world

Aha-ahaaa :D
...All the things I could do if I had a little money

they wouldn't pay you for that :(
a lifetime spent busking I presume?
Aha-ahaaa :D
...All the things I could do if I had a little money

myst be funny, money money money. that mantra of moorish multiple mad money makers is really mobbed...:confused:

I'm currently a high school senior, so my 'job' is to become as educated as possible. I'm pretty happy with it, but soon I'll have to join the real world.

you do things because it seems okay by your moral compass O_o

getting up with no sleep and going to work everyday in a bullshit job you hate for years on end is not right by any standard

There is a difference between what seems "right" and what is truly "moral".

What is more right - you working at a job you hate for 8 hours a day, or you sitting on your butt and living off welfare - which means, living off the effort of other people?

You may not like going to a lousy job - but if that is the ONLY job available, then it is right for you to go to that job and do the best you can, rather than do nothing, and expect to have someone else take care of you.

Morally right and enjoyable are not always the same thing.

Money, money, money = Always sunny?

Unless you are rich, but happen to live in Alaska.... :p

I'm currently a high school senior, so my 'job' is to become as educated as possible. I'm pretty happy with it, but soon I'll have to join the real world.

And that's why we have uni ;) Stretch it out a bit, go on to postgrad... Get a job with early retirement possibilities :D

Money, money and money are my main reasons.

Being in the same line of career as you, you're a terrible, terrible person.

*folds arms*

but yeah me too

I determine whether it is the RIGHT thing to do by evaluating the best and worst long-term effects for the people involved. While obviously I cannot ascertain all outcomes, I can logically evaluate whether my actions will have a positive or negative long-term effect on my environment, the people in my life, and the people in their lives.

Through out this discussion, that is one of the dividing factors I've seen: some people are motivated by what they think is right for them, or for what they think is right in a very general, vague way.

How many of you do what is right because you have analyzed/evaluated the potential long-term effects and how your actions will impact the lives of those around you?

Interesting post, if I may say so, though I think you are coming back to the "charity begins at home" view, which is admirable in it's own kind of way. However not everyone here has a family or semi-D home, and not everyone wants one, so I think to say some of us pursue ideological aims at the expense of others may be shortsighted. I don't have a family, and my s/o and I live independent lives most of the time, and we both pursue ideological work at least part of the time, and both understand that, and have never harboured any illusions otherwise. As such I don't see I'm screwing anyone over for a higher aim, or that my higher aim is in someway "bad" because it doesn't involve supporting 2.4 children.

Though, in all honesty, even for those with some dependents, you have to examine what you do. I'm sure there are some people in very dubious jobs indeed who have a family and need to pay their rent at the end of the month, but does that justify their work? (Algerian interrogators, N Korean police, anyone working in Gitmo, investment bankers, used car salesmen etc.) Looking after your own family is important, but if your job is causing tears, you have to look at the bigger picture too.

I'm a student. I study history and politics. I do it because my painfully shy personality, lack of common sense [not entirely my own fault, its tied up with problems I've always had organizing my thoughts in a coherent manner and understanding what people mean (which in turn at school led me to be diagnosed with basically any learning difficult they could think of, from Dyspraxia to Aspergers, before giving up because they couldn't work out what it was)]. This combined with other personal stuff combines to makes me almost unemployable, despite me currently being on course for a first or high 2:1.

So after I've finished, I'm probably going to do a Masters in social research methods, then, if I think I can hack it after the Masters, maybe a PhD in something-or-other. Not that I'm vaguely cut out for academia, either, but essays seem to be about the only thing I can do decently, so I'm just buying time before my inevitable failure in life, indebtedness, bankruptcy and eventual permanent incarceration in a mental asylum. Happy days.

It doesn't bother me too much anymore, I know where my life is heading, no sense in worrying unduly before the event and ruining my current life.


heh, I too am like that. A fairly good essay writer, got a 1st just about and did a masters. Felt like I was master of the universe in college, I was in my natural environment. But since then I've floundered a bit, I don't take to the world of regimented practicality at all and am pretty much indifferent to the corporate mentality. I wouldn't worry though, you sound like you've found your niche and I remember a saying that apparently the halls of oxford are staffed by academics with undiagnosed aspergers.

I'm doing what I worked for my whole life - nothing.

I'm retired and enjoying every minute of doing exacly as I damned well please.

I have to eat and by gas...Tis a job required to do these things...


Unfortunately, I may be laid off soon if we dont start makin more money, :(

Being in the same line of career as you, you're a terrible, terrible person.

*folds arms*

but yeah me too

Better to be an honest doc I guess ;)

I'm good at it, it pays well and I can do it at home. (Translation)

What is more right - you working at a job you hate for 8 hours a day, or you sitting on your butt and living off welfare - which means, living off the effort of other people?

*shrug* I probably would if it wouldn't lead to the poor life of a pikey, I mean look at all the students

also one of my jobs is paid by the taxpayer and I can assure you that it all goes on Port for the very little work I do >.>

You may not like going to a lousy job - but if that is the ONLY job available, then it is right for you to go to that job and do the best you can, rather than do nothing, and expect to have someone else take care of you.

bah your making some pretty big assumptions on me being considerate of other people here

Unless you are rich, but happen to live in Alaska.... :p

contradiction.

I'm retired and enjoying every minute of doing exacly as I damned well please.

yeah but I bet your bored :p

Interesting post, if I may say so, though I think you are coming back to the "charity begins at home" view, which is admirable in it's own kind of way. However not everyone here has a family or semi-D home, and not everyone wants one, so I think to say some of us pursue ideological aims at the expense of others may be shortsighted. I don't have a family, and my s/o and I live independent lives most of the time, and we both pursue ideological work at least part of the time, and both understand that, and have never harboured any illusions otherwise. As such I don't see I'm screwing anyone over for a higher aim, or that my higher aim is in someway "bad" because it doesn't involve supporting 2.4 children.

Though, in all honesty, even for those with some dependents, you have to examine what you do. I'm sure there are some people in very dubious jobs indeed who have a family and need to pay their rent at the end of the month, but does that justify their work? (Algerian interrogators, N Korean police, anyone working in Gitmo, investment bankers, used car salesmen etc.) Looking after your own family is important, but if your job is causing tears, you have to look at the bigger picture too.

I was only using the kids' thing as an example. You don't have to have children in order to operate in this same, "because I love this person, I'll make personal sacrifices" mindset. You can do it for friends, s/o, sibs, parents, whomever.

One really decent pieces of advice I ever received was "think carefully about what you want to do - cuz the next day, you'll have to look at that person in the mirror, and you'll have to do that every day for the rest of your life." While my mum said that to me in regards to dating and my personal relationships, it is true in every area of my life.

I don't like going "the extra mile" many times. But I've gotten to a point in my head that my perception of myself is that I expect the best of myself, then I feel I am obligated to do that, not for anyone else's benefit, but only for my own (with the understanding that "my best" is dependent on my actual physical strength for the day. If I've got a fever, then I'm not going to jump through hoops to go "above and beyond." I'm not a martyr.)

Whether one is a student, a professional, or even (gasp!) a used-car salesman, a person who respects him/herself should want to do the best job they can - just so they can say, "hey, this may be a crap job, but at least I can respect myself. (see my comment below to another poster)

*shrug* I probably would if it wouldn't lead to the poor life of a pikey, I mean look at all the students

also one of my jobs is paid by the taxpayer and I can assure you that it all goes on Port for the very little work I do >.>

Does the fact that the taxpayer effectively pays your salary somehow justify you doing a lousy job at your place of employ?

Why would you WANT to live off the work of others? Seems to me that if you accept a sub-par perception of yourself, then you're only cheating yourself. A person doesn't have to be wealthy to be the best morally they can be.



bah your making some pretty big assumptions on me being considerate of other people here


Yeah, it does have a little to do w/ your attitude towards others. But it also has to do w/ what you think of yourself.

Yes, living above a personal standard of mediocrity means making an extra effort - but why wouldn't you want to be the best person you can be? Not for other people - but because YOU want it?

I always wonder why someone argues that they are not obligated to be the best they can be (within realistic framework of what they can actually do). Ok great - you don't have to. Why don't you want to?

Does the fact that the taxpayer effectively pays your salary somehow justify you doing a lousy job at your place of employ?

who said anything about lousy? :mad:

Why would you WANT to live off the work of others?

nobody says anything about wanting though

Yeah, it does have a little to do w/ your attitude towards others. But it also has to do w/ what you think of yourself.

I think of myself as a God among men so no :)

but why wouldn't you want to be the best person you can be? Not for other people - but because YOU want it?

define "best person" for me

Because I'm not a bourgeois yet.