NationStates Jolt Archive

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?

No, you just think we're obsessed, but really you're obsessed with the fact that we think you're obsessed with what obsesses us. *Explodes*

Because we rule and theyre jealous. They figure if they study our obsessions enough, they can maybe be more like us. Discover our secret, if you will. :p

because almost all they see of us is our obsessions so they think that is all we have

Because we rule and theyre jealous.

Yeah... It's what THEY want you to think...

>.>

<.<

brb, fbi

Psh, you even have to ask? Everyone knows we're the shit, lol...

Why are NSGers obsessed with making threads about obsessions?

Why are NSGers obsessed with making threads about obsessions?

For the Curiosity..

For the Passion....

For the.....Obsession....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KejsnEO4b0E/SKMrgasyjtI/AAAAAAAABK4/gjjrY-skQ7Y/s400/Secret-Obsession-Klein.jpg

After decades of shipping our culture worldwide, it is no surprise.

After decades of shipping our culture worldwide, it is no surprise.

Hey, we only shipped it cause they kept Buying it, lol...

Hey, we only shipped it cause they kept Buying it, lol...

True, and we can't invade everybody. Either way, the world will be ours!

Between love and madness lies obsession.

Between love and madness lies obsession.

I prefer love and madness. :)

Why are Americans so obsessed with why foreigners are so obsessed with America's obsessions?

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?
Thank you, Zilam. You've made my day.
Clearly we're not that cool, so I don't know why everyone is so interested. Maybe next we'll be asked how many times a week we defecate?

Thank you, Zilam. You've made my day.
Clearly we're not that cool, so I don't know why everyone is so interested. Maybe next we'll be asked how many times a week we defecate?

Well, it depends on my diet form week to we----Oh, I see what your doing there, lol...

because almost all they see of us is our obsessions so they think that is all we have
My goodness, are we to be reasonable in here?

*kicks the ground and goes to stand in the corner*

Thank you, Zilam. You've made my day.
Clearly we're not that cool, so I don't know why everyone is so interested. Maybe next we'll be asked how many times a week we defecate?
now if there were ever an american obsession....at least in the old folks homes!

My goodness, are we to be reasonable in here?

*kicks the ground and goes to stand in the corner*

Don't worry aout it Kat, you know reasonableness has a half life measured in seconds around here.;)

It's because we don't like the idea of people as nutty as you all being in charge of the world.

It's because we don't like the idea of people as nutty as you all being in charge of the world.

You heard about that, did you?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012301397.html

Realistically? It's because most of the Western world's media is saturated by American imports.

Obnoxiously? Because we like to think we're superior and snobbishly say, "look what those Americans are up to now, fools!"

because almost all they see of us is our obsessions so they think that is all we have

Or because it's more interesting to ask about obsessions we see as strange than things we see as normal?

Really, foreigners obsess about us?

And I always though that many Americans were obsessed with stuff that comes from Europe and/or Japan (thinking that they are inherently of better quality).

Really, foreigners obsess about us?

And I always though that many Americans were obsessed with stuff that comes from Europe and/or Japan (thinking that they are inherently of better quality).
we are mostly over our european obsession but there is a significant subculture that is quite obsessed with japan.

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?

because it makes "them" feel better about their own country's shortcomings.

Does it really matter when you get down to it?
Some people are interested in America, some are interested in Europe and some are interested in other countries, they know the reasons why, and i think they'l all be different reasons, so why don't you stop asking obvious questions and just relax. (to OP)

Does it really matter when you get down to it?
Some people are interested in America, some are interested in Europe and some are interested in other countries, they know the reasons why, and i think they'l all be different reasons, so why don't you stop asking obvious questions and just relax. (to OP)

I see youve been here a little over a year.....And you havent yet figured out how NSG Works :confused:


lol:p

I don't know and I get a headache from trying to figure it out.

Presumably because, as global military, economic and political hegemon, in the west at any rate, the cultural idiosyncrasies and illogicalities that condition US policy,a nd polict itself, are of as much concern to the average NSGer as is their domestic politics.

we are mostly over our european obsession but there is a significant subculture that is quite obsessed with japan.

I don't know-New York is very Euro-obsessed, but most of the country doesn't really care about Europe or New York much.

The Japanese thing is just a melding of our two cultures-once Japan moves from occupied nation to free statehood, that'll fade into a local thing, like Southerners and the Confederacy.

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?

I didn't realise anyone cared? Why are we assuming they do?

The Japanese thing is just a melding of our two cultures-once Japan moves from occupied nation to free statehood, that'll fade into a local thing, like Southerners and the Confederacy.
Uh... You do know the occupation of Japan ended in the 50's, don't you?

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?

I think its because America is like the really really dumb kid in school, if you don't watch him you know he's just gonna sit stapling his fingers to the desk.

The British obsession might be based around feeling kinda responsible for you damn colonials and all your horrible mistakes.:D

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?

they want to be American.

they want to be American.

No they laugh and say thank god I'm NOT American.

No, you just think we're obsessed, but really you're obsessed with the fact that we think you're obsessed with what obsesses us. *Explodes*

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

:)

now if there were ever an american obsession....at least in the old folks homes!
LOL true.
But there is prune juice....

*ducks*

I don't know and I get a headache from trying to figure it out.
Now the question is, NERVUN, as an American living in Japan -- how much curiosity do you tend to raise?

LOL true.
But there is prune juice....

*ducks*

A warriors drink (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=LgzbKe6_DN4).

A warriors drink (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=LgzbKe6_DN4).
:D I saw Michael Dorn at a con -- where he begged people not to give him any more. He said his mother had come over, opened his fridge, and then interrogated him on the state of his bowels.

He's an awesome convention guest, must say.

Now the question is, NERVUN, as an American living in Japan -- how much curiosity do you tend to raise?Me, personally? Depends on the area and what I'm trying to do.

I have gotten more people coming up to talk to me just because I'm a foreigner that I ever did in the US, same with news interviews and random people taking my picture.

That said, there is a love of Americana here in Japan that just defies explanation (As in walking into a store and finding toys that you recognize from a Happy Meal for sale for around $10, cars with Support Our Troops magnetic ribbons on them, and people wearing clothing with the Stars and Stripes on it) and currently the best selling book in Japan is The Speeches of Barack Obama, including CD and translations.

Uh... You do know the occupation of Japan ended in the 50's, don't you?

They still can't have anything but a defensive military force though.

Japan is the bad dog being punished for crapping on the nice carpet with that sour apple spray stuff.

It's because we don't like the idea of people as nutty as you all being in charge of the world.

Dude. Youre Australian:p

No they laugh and say thank god I'm NOT American.

Whatever you tell yourself to help you sleep at night:p

They still can't have anything but a defensive military force though.

Japan is the bad dog being punished for crapping on the nice carpet with that sour apple spray stuff.

Whether they need one is a different matter. The only states either capable, or conceivably willing, to attack Japan would China or Russia, in which case I suspect the USA would intervene, whilst Sino-Russo-Japanese power has held the Orient in something of an equilibrium for half a century, precluding expansion.

They still can't have anything but a defensive military force though.

Japan is the bad dog being punished for crapping on the nice carpet with that sour apple spray stuff.
You mean Article 9 which America has been pressuring Japan to change almost since the ink was dry and of which the Japanese population itself is very protective of?

It's like when you see a retarded kid on the street. You can't not look.

It's like when you see a retarded kid on the street. You can't not look.

We are more like a really bad accident, thank you.

We are more like a really bad accident, thank you.We're a repeating train-wreck. :p

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?

No. You USAmericans are really that invasive, forcing yourselves on the whole world as world policeman, world holier-than-thou-paragon-of-sainthood, world makers-of-all-arts, world example-of-being-happy-and-powerful-and-the-only-one-real-democracy.

No wonder people like to watch and gloat every time the US fail at something. That's what happens to bullies, usually. And there's no denying that the US have played the world bully for a long time now.

No. You USAmericans are really that invasive, forcing yourselves on the whole world as world policeman, world holier-than-thou-paragon-of-sainthood, world makers-of-all-arts, world example-of-being-happy-and-powerful-and-the-only-one-real-democracy.

No wonder people like to watch and gloat every time the US fail at something. That's what happens to bullies, usually. And there's no denying that the US have played the world bully for a long time now.
Hey now I fence sit as much as any other when it comes to the US of A but they've done some good for the world

Hey now I fence sit as much as any other when it comes to the US of A but they've done some good for the world

Yes they did. Also many other countries did, but don't play the world bully, at least not now, not anymore. The US should grow out of it.

The US should grow out of it.What's going to make us grow out of it? (As in, outside stimulus that would make us grow out of it.) I'm honestly curious.

Yes they did. Also many other countries did, but don't play the world bully, at least not now, not anymore. The US should grow out of it.

they are . . . they are young for a nation though and have only really been a military to be reckoned with for about 60 years. . . takes em some getting used to. anyway, I don't see em as a world class bully.

What's going to make us grow out of it? (As in, outside stimulus that would make us grow out of it.) I'm honestly curious.

Sadly, societies DON'T grow out of being a bully only on outside stimuli alone - they have to compare with other societies, re-read the history of their previous interaction with said other societies, and decide a change in attitude.

That thing with stopping with Gitmo could be a step in the right direction. Let's see what's next.

What's going to make us grow out of it? (As in, outside stimulus that would make us grow out of it.) I'm honestly curious.

Prolly China in the end. Or russia maybe if they manage to reorganize. the EU could be another contender but they'd need a lot more union. ANyway financial pressure from one of those three will eventually force a change in the US of A

Yes they did. Also many other countries did, but don't play the world bully, at least not now, not anymore. The US should grow out of it.

But, If we dont Bully, who will? China? You think China's gonna bully? Cause...Cause....I dont think he will!

And the world still needs its Bully, maybe the World should grow out of its need for one! lol

Sadly, societies DON'T grow out of being a bully only on outside stimuli alone - they have to compare with other societies, re-read the history of their previous interaction with said other societies, and decide a change in attitude. ...Right. You mean never. Gotcha. (Yes, I really know what you mean, but I don't see that happening with the US. Especially with the generation of which I am a part.)

they are . . . they are young for a nation though and have only really been a military to be reckoned with for about 60 years. . . takes em some getting used to. anyway, I don't see em as a world class bully.

What about:
Vietnam
right-wing coups supported by CIA: Greece,Chile,Argentina,Iraq (yes, Saddam, back in the '70s)
the "Stay Behind" in Europe, q.v.
supporting the Talibans till 2000
supporting Musharraf (dictator of Pakistan) even when Pakistan got the nuke
supporting the Islamist militias in the Balkan wars
invading Iraq
...

If the US isn't currently THE world bully, who else is?

...Right. You mean never. Gotcha. (Yes, I really know what you mean, but I don't see that happening with the US. Especially with the generation of which I am a part.)

Wait... it COULD happen. Maybe not soon, but it could happen. (And no, I'm not basing all hopes on Obama: more on the vast partecipation to politics which led to Obama's election).

But, If we dont Bully, who will? China? You think China's gonna bully? Cause...Cause....I dont think he will!
China? Bully who? Just Tibet maybe... they tried bullying Vietnam and got their fingers slapped.

And the world still needs its Bully, maybe the World should grow out of its need for one! lol
Who ever needed a bully?

Who ever needed a bully?

Um....Germany, Italy, the USSR, Japan, Korea...just to name a few...

But, I was joking anyway, lol...

Wait... it COULD happen. Maybe not soon, but it could happen. (And no, I'm not basing all hopes on Obama: more on the vast partecipation to politics which led to Obama's election).My generation is the one that was mostly unable to vote this time around.

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?

You're different, and omnipresent. Why is that such a surprise that people start wondering about you?

We're jealous of the freedom *nods*

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?

I guess so. :tongue:

If the US isn't currently THE world bully, who else is?

Well, based on their policy of "Convert to out religion or we'll blow you up", I'd have to say it'd be the Muslims.

Well, based on their policy of "Convert to out religion or we'll blow you up", I'd have to say it'd be the Muslims.

By which of course you mean the radical wing of political Islam, which enjoys the support of only a tiny minority of Muslims. Of course, you've shown yourself on numerous occasions to be very willing to engage in the disingenuous logic of 'since most terrorists are Muslims, most Muslims are terrorists.'

Well, based on their policy of "Convert to out religion or we'll blow you up", I'd have to say it'd be the Muslims.

Not this again... So all Muslims are terrorists?!!! You might want to reconsider making such broad generalizing racist comments like that.

I wont deny that there aren't plenty of Islamic extremists to go around but they hardly constitute the majority of Muslims.

By which of course you mean the radical wing of political Islam, which enjoys the support of only a tiny minority of Muslims. Of course, you've shown yourself on numerous occasions to be very willing to engage in the disingenuous logic of 'since most terrorists are Muslims, most Muslims are terrorists.'

That excuse has been used a few too many times.

I bought-
1. Oh, 90% of muslims aren't arab, so you can't blame us...
2. Oh, Al Qaeda is just a bunch of fringe radicals. You have crazy christians too!
3. Oh, the Taliban is just one theocratic government that hates the west and jews...
4. Oh, Iran is just one theocratic government that hates the west and jews...
5. Oh, that hostage crisis was ages ago, and Iran had a whole different government...
6. Oh, those schools that preech hate for the west in Saudi Arabia aren't that bad...

and so on, and so on...

The facts are piling up. Lets ignore the middle east, Russia, and China for the moment. I just want to key in on two little things.

-Non-arab muslims in the U.S. and europe, who enjoy freedom of speech and have the right to bitch as much as the rest of us- are now advocating violence, in large numbers.
-Don't forget, muslim students in the U.S., getting free education on student visas (in particular the University of South Florida, but widespread), HAD PARTIES AND CELEBRATED ON 9/11. Police were called out to protect them.

So, I am now saying it straight out.

Although there is a sizeable portion of the muslim world that is peaceful, evidence suggests that Islam is predominantly a zenophobic religion which preaches hate of all other religions, and encourages its members to act violently in the name of God.

I'm sorry, but if it walks like a duck, acts like a duck, and looks like a duck...then it's a fucking duck.

...

Well, based on their policy of "Convert to out religion or we'll blow you up", I'd have to say it'd be the Muslims.

Wait. Radical muslims WOULD LIKE to be the world bully... but they lack something like nukes, aircraft, tanks and ships (luckily).

If it talks like a racist, act like a racist, and looks like a racist ... the it's a fucking racist.

If it talks like a racist, act like a racist, and looks like a racist ... the it's a fucking racist.


And you are not racist. You are exceptional!

Explain what you mean by 'racist'. You sure you aren't meaning prejudice? Anyone that claims to not being prejudice is self deluded grown up in a box or a liar.


What was it I read about a couple days ago that stated ppl who vehemently claimed they weren't racist ... well were!

Explain what you mean by 'racist'. You sure you aren't meaning prejudice? Anyone that claims to not being prejudice is self deluded grown up in a box or a liar.

So far, that argument is accepted by you, me, and Avenue Q.

I'm not the one who said this:

Well, based on their policy of "Convert to out religion or we'll blow you up", I'd have to say it'd be the Muslims.

And I dont give a f*ck what your opinion of people who say they aren't racist. This is racist:

Well, based on their policy of "Convert to out religion or we'll blow you up", I'd have to say it'd be the Muslims.

And I dont give a f*ck what your opinion of people who say they aren't racist.

"Muslim" is not a race. One of the biggest fucktards I've seen was actually originally Jewish, but converted to Islam.

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Lovely bunch of unsupported assertions and anecdotal evidence there.

Until you provide some statistical survey evidence from a respected source suggesting that the majority of Muslims support terrorism and the forced conversion of the world to Islam, I'm just going to laugh at you as the pathetic deluded racist/prejudiced individual that you are. Come back with that (tricky, since it doesn't exist) then we'll talk.

"Muslim" is not a race.

So your not racist because 'Muslim' is not a race. Can't argue with that logic.


One of the biggest fucktards I've seen was actually originally Jewish, but converted to Islam.

Holy sh** a kosher sand ni**** that makes him different++ !!! Get him!!!

Well, based on their policy of "Convert to out religion or we'll blow you up", I'd have to say it'd be the Christians.

Fixed. Here's why.


We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

Fixed. Here's why.

She's an American. Don't try to pawn your problems off on the rest of the world.

Besides, at least there's only one of her.

To gloat... it's as simple as that!

She's an American. Don't try to pawn your problems off on the rest of the world.

Besides, at least there's only one of her.

What, so because she's American, she can't be Christian? How come?

She's an American. Don't try to pawn your problems off on the rest of the world.


Doesn't matter. She's a Christian. Doesn't matter that she's a tiny percentage of all Christians either. She is a Christian, thereby she represents all Christians, including Australian Christians. Just like radical Muslims represents all Muslims in your world view. Thereby Christians, with their current superior firepower, are the biggest world bullies. You're just trying to lull the rest of us non-Christians into lowering our guard before you try to kill us all.


Besides, at least there's only one of her.

Oh really? (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/04/25/islamic_group_seeks_firing_of_radio_host/)

Seems to me you Christians (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/), yes all of you, are just itching for a genocidal fight.

What, so because she's American, she can't be Christian? How come?

American Christians aren't like everybody else's Christians.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.


It's really a minority of Christian extremists which feel that way. You wouldn't know it because their vocal and always making problems. The teachings of Christ do not include invading countries, killing their leaders, etc.

Originally Posted by AllCoolNamesAreTaken
-Non-arab muslims in the U.S. and europe, who enjoy freedom of speech and have the right to bitch as much as the rest of us- are now advocating violence, in large numbers.

Source with data or it's a lie.

-Don't forget, muslim students in the U.S., getting free education on student visas (in particular the University of South Florida, but widespread), HAD PARTIES AND CELEBRATED ON 9/11. Police were called out to protect them.

Source?

Although there is a sizeable portion of the muslim world that is peaceful, evidence suggests that Islam is predominantly a zenophobic religion which preaches hate of all other religions, and encourages its members to act violently in the name of God.

Zenophobic?:confused:

They fear what? Zeno's paradoxes? Zeno Cosini from "La coscienza di Zeno"? St.Zeno of Verona? The Zeno programming language? Or the Zeno watches?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno

American Christians aren't like everybody else's Christians.

Has it ever occured to you that that might very well also be true about Muslims?
Or just about any religion you can think of?

Doesn't matter. She's a Christian. Doesn't matter that she's a tiny percentage of all Christians either. She is a Christian, thereby she represents all Christians, including Australian Christians like you. Just like radical Muslims represents all Muslims in your world view. Thereby Christians, with their current superior firepower, are the biggest world bullies.

The difference is, I don't remember Christians blowing up towers, blowing up subways, blowing up holidaymakers, protesting against freedom of speech, protesting and telling Europe that the real Holocaust is coming, sentencing rape victims to prison and lashes, putting out a bounty on writers, jailing a woman for allowing her students to give a teddy bear the name "Mohammed", giving sermons telling students that raping your wife is ok and that the laws of the religion supercede the laws of the state...

Should I go on?

Doesn't matter. She's a Christian. Doesn't matter that she's a tiny percentage of all Christians either. She is a Christian, thereby she represents all Christians, including Australian Christians. Just like radical Muslims represents all Muslims in your world view. Thereby Christians, with their current superior firepower, are the biggest world bullies. You're just trying to lull the rest of us non-Christians into lowering our guard before you try to kill us all.

Even better.

Doesn't matter. She's a believer. Doesn't atter that she's a tiny percentage of all believers either. She is a believer, thereby she represents all believers, including african buddhists...

*snip*

Your just as bad as FO. Christians aren't the problem and neither are Muslims. Assholes Muslim / Christian / Whatever are. Asshole is universal.

The difference is, I don't remember Christians blowing up towers, blowing up subways, blowing up holidaymakers, protesting against freedom of speech, protesting and telling Europe that the real Holocaust is coming, sentencing rape victims to prison and lashes, putting out a bounty on writers, jailing a woman for allowing her students to give a teddy bear the name "Mohammed", giving sermons telling students that raping your wife is ok and that the laws of the religion supercede the laws of the state...
Should I go on?

Maybe you should read more about the history of the Western culture. Just because you have a short memory doesn't mean that the Christians didn't commit their fair share of massacres and atrocities.
Also, just three days ago Cardinal Bagnasco, leader of the Italian Bishops' Conference (CEI), released an interview to "La Repbblica" telling exactly that the law of the Church supercedes the law of the State. Also you might want to read about the official positions of the Church before Vatican Council II about marriage and rights within the couple.

Maybe you should read more about the history of the Western culture. Just because you have a short memory doesn't mean that the Christians didn't commit their fair share of massacres and atrocities.
Also, just three days ago Cardinal Bagnasco, leader of the Italian Bishops' Conference (CEI), released an interview to "La Repbblica" telling exactly that the law of the Church supercedes the law of the State. Also you might want to read about the official positions of the Church before Vatican Council II about marriage and rights within the couple.

I might add that the pope just revoked the excommunication of 4 prominent holocaust-deniers...

Maybe you should read more about the history of the Western culture. Just because you have a short memory doesn't mean that the Christians didn't commit their fair share of massacres and atrocities.
Also, just three days ago Cardinal Bagnasco, leader of the Italian Bishops' Conference (CEI), released an interview to "La Repbblica" telling exactly that the law of the Church supercedes the law of the State. Also you might want to read about the official positions of the Church before Vatican Council II about marriage and rights within the couple.

I honestly couldn't give a fuck about the distant past.

I might add that the pope just revoked the excommunication of 4 prominent holocaust-deniers...
I thought of that group it was just one that was. :confused:

I honestly couldn't give a fuck about the distant past.
The 1960's are now the distant past?

I honestly couldn't give a fuck about the distant past.

Oh, good. If you only care about the presence, Muslims and Christians are just about equally violent currently.

I thought of that group it was just one that was. :confused:


Richard Williamson and 3 further bishops, is what spiegel.de said.

Oh, good. If you only care about the presence, Muslims and Christians are just about equally violent currently.

You don't seriously believe that, do you? When was the last time Christians bombed a subway?

I honestly couldn't give a fuck about the distant past.

Yeah, don't let facts of reason get in the way of your opinions.

Muzlims art teh ebilzitz!!!

I honestly couldn't give a fuck about the distant past.

So, I assume that according to you, Obama was elected in prehistory.

THREE BLOODY DAYS AGO!

Yeah, don't let facts of reason get in the way of your opinions.

Muzlims art teh ebilzitz!!!

How the hell is "Sure, Islam has a terrorism and fanatic problem, but LOOK AT PRE-VATICAN II CHRISTIANITY!" a legitimate argument?

So, I assume that according to you, Obama was elected in prehistory.

THREE BLOODY DAYS AGO!

That's not even the same topic.

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?

Ummmm maybe because you are currently the most powerfull nation, and your polictics does have an effect on the rest of the world?

Oh, good. If you only care about the presence, Muslims and Christians are just about equally violent currently.

Can we stop calling them 'Muslims' and 'Christians' when you clearly mean Muslim extremists and Christian extremists.

Do you know any Christians? Do you know any Muslims? Any try to kill you lately?

I'm Christian and I don't particularly want to kill anybody, so there one.

Can we stop calling them 'Muslims' and 'Christians' when you clearly mean Muslim extremists and Christian extremists.

Do you know any Christians? Do you know any Muslims? Any try to kill you lately?

I'm Christian and I don't particularly want to kill anybody, so there one.

I think you're completely misreading Cabra's post.

You don't seriously believe that, do you? When was the last time Christians bombed a subway?

Not strictly subways, but: what about the Srebrenica massacre? Aren't the Serbs Christian enough?

That's not even the same topic.

It is. Re-read the post of mine you quoted. It's TWO paragraphs, buddy.

Not strictly subways, but: what about the Srebrenica massacre? Aren't the Serbs Christian enough?

Or what about the things the Westboro Baptist Church preaches? That's violence personified too.

I think you're completely misreading Cabra's post.

Oh I get it equally violent meaning either not-very or very. Clever. I think that was to subtle to catch most peoples attention here.

You don't seriously believe that, do you? When was the last time Christians bombed a subway?

1995 I belive.

In Japan the Aum Shinrikyo cult which is a sorta twisted Christian sect, relased Sarin gas on the tube system, killing many. Anybody else remember that?

Oh I get it equally violent meaning either not-very or very. Clever. I think that was to subtle to catch most peoples attention here.

No, not at all. You're just reacting to something you THINK Cabra posted. Read her post again.

They still can't have anything but a defensive military force though.

I haven't read through the rest of this thread, and therefore I apologize if NERV already stomped this argument into the ground, but quite frankly Japan doesn't want to change Article 9. It's part of their identity these days.

Don't feel too bad for them, they just built a "helicopter destroyer" that screams "AIRCRAFT CARRIER" and the JMSDF could match any other navy in the region blow-for-blow in a slugging match. They choose not to procure TASMs and the like, but it's an exceedingly modern force.

I also believe that the JDA is now a proper Ministry of Defense, although I no longer have friends in the JSDF nor many in the American Forces in Japan, so I haven't bothered to keep up with the news lately.

Seriously though, it has been half a century since we occupied Japan. Today, it's just a bewildering love of many things American. It's at once hilarious and mind-boggling to see people so fascinated with African-American culture that they actually go as far as Blackface, not realizing the historical connotations of such an act.

Not strictly subways, but: what about the Srebrenica massacre? Aren't the Serbs Christian enough?

I live around people from the former Yugoslavia, and believe me, that conflict has nothing to do with religion.

Or what about the things the Westboro Baptist Church preaches? That's violence personified too.

Yeah, and I want them treated the same way radical Muslims should be treated.

No, not at all. You're just reacting to something you THINK Cabra posted. Read her post again.

I did. You better explain it to me otherwise I'll run into a combinatorial explosion processing all the different possible meanings.

1995 I belive.

In Japan the Aum Shinrikyo cult which is a sorta twisted Christian sect, relased Sarin gas on the tube system, killing many. Anybody else remember that?

Cult. Cult. The operative word there is "cult".

The difference is, I don't remember Christians blowing up towers, blowing up subways, blowing up holidaymakers,

Sure you did. Right here.

http://obrag.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/iraq_bombing_.jpg

Details here (http://www.u.arizona.edu/~sung/english100/images/bombing-iraq.jpg).

And just for another buzz. Down in Oklahoma 1995 this time.

http://www.katrinadisability.info/images/ok.jpg

You Christians sure are a violent, bomb loving, children killing lot.


protesting against freedom of speech,

No, you just want to take it away. Your Christian representative says so right here.


They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment.


sentencing rape victims to prison and lashes,

No, you just sentence people you don't like to prison and torture. Bush, another representative of the Christian overmind lived up to it, and so does your spokesperson.


I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.


putting out a bounty on writers,

Christians advocate total genocide of countries. Just for kicks.


Bill Clinton "was a very good rapist"; "I'm getting a little fed up with hearing about, oh, civilian casualties"; "I think we ought to nuke North Korea right now just to give the rest of the world a warning.


jailing a woman for allowing her students to give a teddy bear the name "Mohammed",


Or beating gays to death... oh wait, all Christians (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/11/29/national/a085833S80.DTL) do that too.


giving sermons telling students that raping your wife is ok and that


Just like Christianity. Now in pedophilia flavor (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/117018.html)! You Christians are a misogynistic lot.


the laws of the religion supercede the laws of the state...


Are you sure you aren't talking about Christians (http://www.faithofourfathers.net/)?


Should I go on?

Only if you agree that Ann Coulter is the representative of all Christians and that everything she says is in total accordance with all of them. Then the fun begins.

What's that? You don't agree that there is a Christian hive mind? Then what's this bollocks about the Islamic hive mind?

Or what about the things the Westboro Baptist Church preaches? That's violence personified too.It's a wonderful demonstration of stupidity and "insert face into palm"ification.

I live around people from the former Yugoslavia, and believe me, that conflict has nothing to do with religion.

Since post-war BiH is enforcing mandatory lesson of Islam in statal school (in the muslim part of BiH)... seeing what happened to Orthodox sites in Bosnia and Kosovo... maybe the motivations of the conflict wasn't strictly religious, but religion was one of the things that defined the identities and the rivalries of the ethnical groups.
Anyway, Serbs are Christians, aren't they?

Richard Williamson and 3 further bishops, is what spiegel.de said.
Huh, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/ap_on_re_eu/eu_vatican_conservatives;_ylt=AlOvz8ce4267dZ7AsIiTbcZ0bBAF seems to make it as Williamson is the denier while the rest are not.

In Japan the Aum Shinrikyo cult which is a sorta twisted Christian sect, relased Sarin gas on the tube system, killing many. Anybody else remember that?
Aum Shinrikyo is NOT Christian. They are... a mishmash if anything.

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I'm not Christian.

What's that? You don't agree that there is a Christian hive mind? Then what's this bollocks about the Islamic hive mind?

I don't believe I said "Islamic hive mind". I said "majority of Muslims".

Of course not ALL Muslims are extremists. But too many are. The same way too many Germans were Nazis and too many Japanese were warmongers.

1995 I belive.

In Japan the Aum Shinrikyo cult which is a sorta twisted Christian sect, relased Sarin gas on the tube system, killing many. Anybody else remember that?Mmmm-hmmm. I was only 6 years old at the time, so I don't remember much except for where I was sitting in front of the television. It's kinda the same way for Princess Diana's death, President Clinton's strikes on Iraq and 9/11.

Aleph is about as Christian as Al-Qaeda, though.

I'm not Christian.


Proving my point. That Asshole is universal.

I don't believe I said "Islamic hive mind". I said "majority of Muslims".

No you said Muslims. You softened that to majority of... and you have yet to prove that the majority is responsible for what is done by what is clearly a small minority of Muslims.

Your just as bad as FO. Christians aren't the problem and neither are Muslims. Assholes Muslim / Christian / Whatever are. Asshole is universal.

Turnabout FS. If FO wants to play the game of hive minds that way, then he's clearly a tower bombing, war mongering, baby killing, pedophilia supporting, dictator loving Christian like the rest of Christianity.

Turnabout FS. If FO wants to play the game of hive minds that way, then he's clearly a tower bombing, war mongering, baby killing, pedophilia supporting, dictator loving Christian like the rest of Christianity.

I'm not Christian. But nice try anyway.

I'm not Christian. But nice try anyway.Psst: Hey Rusty, I think you protested the wrong part! :D

Psst: Hey Rusty, I think you protested the wrong part! :D

We all know his argument is asinine. I just threw that out there to show that it's invalid as well.

Turnabout FS. If FO wants to play the game of hive minds that way, then he's clearly a tower bombing, war mongering, baby killing, pedophilia supporting, dictator loving Christian like the rest of Christianity.

He's not Christian but I am. You not calling him a tower bombing, war mongering, baby killing, pedophilia supporting, dictator loving Christian your implying that the rest of us fun loving, easy going, peace loving Christians are everything which we despise. Something which isn't funny because unfortunately Christians get a bad name already because of all the idiots who call them selves that and enthusiastically misrepresent the bibles teachings and commit all manner of sin in the name of the lord.

Thats one reason I'm so ready to defend Muslims - they got the same freakin' problem only *worse*. Their actually getting killed because one guy (who isn't even local) decides to hide where they live just after exploding an IED.

Thats one reason I'm so ready to defend Muslims - they got the same freakin' problem only *worse*. Their actually getting killed because one guy (who isn't even local) decides to hide where they live just after exploding an IED.

Well, see, again, if it was ONE GUY, I'd be fine. I'd be ok with it if it was just al-Qaeda. But it's not. It's this:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Well, see, again, if it was ONE GUY, I'd be fine. I'd be ok with it if it was just al-Qaeda. But it's not. It's this:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

There is a word for this Islamophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia).

There is a word for this Islamophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia).

There's also a word for you. Apologist.

You don't seriously believe that, do you? When was the last time Christians bombed a subway?

Wasn't there something the other week, ETA in Spain?

Wasn't there something the other week, ETA in Spain?

ETA's ideology isn't Christianity, it's Basque separatism.

Well, see, again, if it was ONE GUY, I'd be fine. I'd be ok with it if it was just al-Qaeda. But it's not. It's this:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Lead

Total Killed: 1,330
Total Wounded: 5,300

LOL ALL JEWS ARE MURDERERS!

Get a new song and dance, rusty.

ETA's ideology isn't Christianity, it's Basque separatism.

So? Much of what Al-Qaida does can hardly be justified religiously, either.

You mean Article 9 which America has been pressuring Japan to change almost since the ink was dry and of which the Japanese population itself is very protective of?

I dunno. I'm not the one living in Japan, now am I?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Lead

Total Killed: 1,330
Total Wounded: 5,300

LOL ALL JEWS ARE MURDERERS!

Get a new song and dance, rusty.

See, again, you're making an inane point. The Israelis aren't fighting for religion's sake.

I'm not Christian.


But you are Australian. And this man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant) proves that all Australians are mentally unstable murderous lunatics who will one day go on a mass murdering rampage with illegal weapons and should be locked away for life.


I don't believe I said "Islamic hive mind". I said "majority of Muslims".


Of course not. You said "Muslims" with no qualifiers whatsoever, indicative of all Muslims. Now you're just changing the goalposts. But that's just one of your usual tricks, isn't it?

And even then, you are saying that there are +0.9 billion Muslim extremists? That's about half the total world population of Muslims by the way. Any evidence to prove this majority of yours now?

I did. You better explain it to me otherwise I'll run into a combinatorial explosion processing all the different possible meanings.

She's telling you that when it comes right down to it, both Christians and Muslims are capable of violent reactions, but not necessarily violent acts. In no way was she talkinbg about extremism. That part you brough on about yourself.

So? Much of what Al-Qaida does can hardly be justified religiously, either.

Indeed. Most of the time, Al-Qaeda hides behind the jihad (holy war) to push a political agenda. I do love it when some people here (not you Cabra), talk about something they truly do not understand.

A eso le llamamos en España llenarse la boca sin saber un coño.:rolleyes:

Of course not. You said "Muslims" with no qualifiers whatsoever, indicative of all Muslims. Now you're just changing the goalposts. But that's just one of your usual tricks, isn't it?

You don't need a qualifier when it's the majority. The same way the Americans said "Let's go bomb the the shit out of the Germans!".

And even then, you are saying that there are +0.9 billion Muslim extremists? That's about half the total world population of Muslims by the way. Any evidence to prove this majority of yours now?

Fortunately, yes.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

So? Much of what Al-Qaida does can hardly be justified religiously, either.

Yes it can. Kill infidels, conquer for Islam, all that crap is doctrine. Mohammed did it.

Oh I get it equally violent meaning either not-very or very. Clever. I think that was to subtle to catch most peoples attention here.

Equally violent can be any level of violence... they're all humans, after all. Some are violent, some are extremely violent, some couldn't hurt a fly. But that doesn't change just because some are Muslim and some are Christians. Being Muslim doesn't make anybody violent any more than being Christian does.

I never thought that post could cause so much confusion. ;)

See, again, you're making an inane point. The Israelis aren't fighting for religion's sake.

My point is your retarded generalizations about Muslims are retarded.

ETA's ideology isn't Christianity, it's Basque separatism.

By the very same standard, there's a difference between "islamist terrorist" and "generic muslim".
And yes, there is. Q.E.D.

Yes it can. Kill infidels, conquer for Islam, all that crap is doctrine. Mohammed did it.

If I recall correctly, there is nothing in the Q'ran commanding to kill infidels. There is one bit I think that can be interpreted that way, but you really, REALLY have to twist it hard.

Same as you can twist the bible to allow you to kill for your own goals.

I never thought that post could cause so much confusion. ;)

It really didn't. I think both FS and FO are seeing monsters where there aren't any.:wink:

A eso le llamamos en España llenarse la boca sin saber un coño.:rolleyes:

In Italia, "senza sapere un cazzo" (curioso, vero?). O anche "dare aria ai denti".

If I am obsessed with learning about obsession, then how do I become further obessed?

In Italia, "senza sapere un cazzo" (curioso, vero?). O anche "dare aria ai denti".

È molto curioso! Ma non è raro, spagnolo e italiano sono vicini cugini.:D

Same as you can twist the bible to allow you to kill for your own goals.

Actually Leviticus and Deuteronomy contain highly detailed instructions for what in our time would be called war crimes and genocide.

È molto curioso! Ma non è raro, spagnolo e italiano sono vicini cugini.:D

La cosa curiosa è che lo spagnolo usa "coño" (che, se non sbaglio, è l'organo femminile) mentre l'italiano usa "cazzo" (che è l'organo maschile).

L'ignoranza ha generi diversi in Italia e in Spagna!

Actually Leviticus and Deuteronomy contain highly detailed instructions for what in our time would be called war crimes and genocide.

Good thing that the Catholics generally regard OT as background. I can't say the same for the other sects.

Actually Leviticus and Deuteronomy contain highly detailed instructions for what in our time would be called war crimes and genocide.

Yes, but they do contain rather concrete divine orders and specifications... to extrapolate that to use it as justification of genocide today would require some theological squinting indeed. Not that this stopped theologians in the past, mind. ;)

La cosa curiosa è che lo spagnolo usa "coño" (che, se non sbaglio, è l'organo femminile) mentre l'italiano usa "cazzo" (che è l'organo maschile).

L'ignoranza ha generi diversi in Italia e in Spagna!

E 'vero. "Coño" è il corpo femminile e "cazzo" en italiano è l'organo maschile.

Ma penso che sia qualcosa di più volgare, e fare sapere qualcosa di ignoranza. Certo, lei sa meglio di me come è in Italia.:wink:

You don't need a qualifier when it's the majority. The same way the Americans said "Let's go bomb the the shit out of the Germans!".

Fair enough, then Australians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant#Port_Arthur_massacre_and_aftermath) are psychotic mass murderers and should be locked away for life or put down like dogs.

What do you mean it's not the majority? Everyone knows you only have to show a few instances or even just one, and it becomes the majority. Just like what you're doing.


Fortunately, yes.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Your website says nothing about there being +0.9 billion Muslim extremists and shows the sort of slant and lack of honesty one might expect from Ann Coulter, your favorite representative and mouthpiece. You may not be an American, but you worship at an American's altar when it comes to deceit and fear mongering.

Good thing that the Catholics generally regard OT as background. I can't say the same for the other sects.

Yes, good thing indeed. Though there is always the nutjob who forgets about Jesus' formulation of the Golden Rule, but hey, you get lunatics everywhere.

What do you mean it's not the majority? Everyone knows you only have to show a few instances or even just one, and it becomes the majority. Just like what you're doing.

Unfortunately that's a common misconception. And it's sad that a lot of people do this. It couldn't further from the truth. Not all Muslims are extremists who advocate terrorism and violence. Actually Islam is, when one studies it, a very peaceful religion.

Your website says nothing about there being +0.9 billion Muslim extremists and shows the sort of slant and lack of honesty one might expect from Ann Coulter, your favorite representative and mouthpiece. You may not be an American, but you worship at an American's altar when it comes to deceit and fear mongering.

I take it you have never encountered FO before.

Unfortunately that's a common misconception. And it's sad that a lot of people do this. It couldn't further from the truth. Not all Muslims are extremists who advocate terrorism and violence. Actually Islam is, when one studies it, a very peaceful religion.

Shhh, don't spoil the fun.


I take it you have never encountered FO before.

One doesn't spend 5 years on this forum without being acquainted with Potato boy and those of his ilk here.

Shhh, don't spoil the fun.

Ah, right.

One doesn't spend 5 years on this forum without being acquainted with Potato boy and those of his ilk here.

Oh I know. I've been here almost a year and I've seen the likes of him more than once.

What do you mean it's not the majority? Everyone knows you only have to show a few instances or even just one, and it becomes the majority. Just like what you're doing.

2204 deadly attack in one year is a few now?

2204 deadly attack in one year is a few now?

Compared to 0.9 billion? Oh, come on, you're better at maths than that, surely?

Compared to 0.9 billion? Oh, come on, you're better at maths than that, surely?

Math is to Potato boy what holy water is to the undead. Or maybe a lie detector to a politician.

Compared to 0.9 billion? Oh, come on, you're better at maths than that, surely?

Attacks don't just indicate one guy. You need lots of money and manpower, and you need popular support from somewhere.

Attacks don't just indicate one guy. You need lots of money and manpower, and you need popular support from somewhere.

Still waiting on that proof of +0.9 billion extremists. But I suppose I could watch you wriggle some more like a fish out of water.

Still waiting on that proof of +0.9 billion extremists. But I suppose I could watch you wriggle some more like a fish out of water.

Well, considering there are several Islamic states with popular support, countless terrorist groups, it's doesn't take a genius to see that Islamic fanaticism is widespread.

Attacks don't just indicate one guy. You need lots of money and manpower, and you need popular support from somewhere.

Money & manpower, yes. Popular support, no.

Still waiting on that proof of +0.9 billion extremists. But I suppose I could watch you wriggle some more like a fish out of water.

He has no proof. And we shouldn't expect any because this is just a lie.

Well, considering there are several Islamic states with popular support, countless terrorist group, it's doesn't take a genius to see that Islamic fanaticism is widespread.

I notice it's "widespread" now, no longer the majority... or even half.

I notice it's "widespread" now, no longer the majority... or even half.

Oh, and I suppose all the trouble coming from Islam is just the work of ten or twenty nutjobs, and every other Muslim denounces and is appalled by their actions?

Oh, and I suppose all the trouble coming from Islam is just the work of ten or twenty nutjobs, and every other Muslim denounces and is appalled by their actions?

Don't know about the rest of the world, but all the italian muslim organisations and leaders always condemn violence and say that violence is against the spirit of Islam.

Oh, and I suppose all the trouble coming from Islam is just the work of ten or twenty nutjobs, and every other Muslim denounces and is appalled by their actions?

A little more than 20, I'd say. I seem to recall that estimates are that 0.5% of Muslims are what you could call extremists.

Don't know about the rest of the world, but all the italian muslim organisations and leaders always condemn violence and say that violence is against the spirit of Islam.

Muslim leaders here just tell us that it's ok to rape your wife and that Muslims are better than everybody else in Australia because we're all a bunch of convicts.

A little more than 20, I'd say. I seem to recall that estimates are that 0.5% of Muslims are what you could call extremists.

And I'm sure the Nazis took over with the support of only 0.5% of Germans. :rolleyes:

And I'm sure the Nazis took over with the support of only 0.5% of Germans. :rolleyes:

37%

You're not all that good with numbers, are you?

Well, considering there are several Islamic states with popular support, countless terrorist groups, it's doesn't take a genius to see that Islamic fanaticism is widespread.

All Muslims -> Majority -> Widespread. Keep on trucking Potato boy. That goal post will eventually earn enough frequent flier miles to take a trip around the world.

Of course now you must show that those Islamic states have 100% support.

37%

You're not all that good with numbers, are you?

Well, that's at least the kind of numbers I'd expect from radical Muslims. You don't end up with all those Islamic states and terrorist organisations with just 0.5% support.

They're probably not counting people that they should count, too. I bet Abu "It's ok to rape your wife and disregard Australian law" Hamza doesn't fall under their definition of extremist.

Muslim leaders here just tell us that it's ok to rape your wife and that Muslims are better than everybody else in Australia because we're all a bunch of convicts.
Then maybe the problem is more with Australia not jailing those leaders for saying that.


And I'm sure the Nazis took over with the support of only 0.5% of Germans. :rolleyes:

Nazis = political party.
Muslim terrorist = terrorist organisation.

Maybe you should compare Al-Qaida to the italian Red Brigades. Popular support about 0% (all major parties invoked no-dealing even when Aldo Moro was abducted). Yet they had money and manpower.

Well, that's at least the kind of numbers I'd expect from radical Muslims. You don't end up with all those Islamic states and terrorist organisations with just 0.5% support.

They're probably not counting people that they should count, too. I bet Abu "It's ok to rape your wife and disregard Australian law" Hamza doesn't fall under their definition of extremist.

You mean to say they don't count everyone you would count?
Well, that's a bit circular, isn't it? You call half of the Muslim population extremists based on what you define as extremism... you just shouldn't be surprised if the rest of the world, using a more sensible definition, will not agree with you.

Nazis = political party.
Muslim terrorist = terrorist organisation.

Except Hamas and Hezbollah, right?

Well, that's at least the kind of numbers I'd expect from radical Muslims. You don't end up with all those Islamic states and terrorist organisations with just 0.5% support.

Islamic states =/= terrorist organisations.
The only islamic State actually created by muslims "terrorists" was Taliban Afghanistan, who enjoyed the support of many western States too.

You mean to say they don't count everyone you would count?
Well, that's a bit circular, isn't it? You call half of the Muslim population extremists based on what you define as extremism... you just shouldn't be surprised if the rest of the world, using a more sensible definition, will not agree with you.

Well, I count the people who are genuinely dangerous, while you wouldn't even count the Glasgow airport terrorists.

Islamic states =/= terrorist organisations.
The only islamic State actually created by muslims "terrorists" was Taliban Afghanistan, who enjoyed the support of many western States too.

Just because they don't use car bombs and guerrilla tactics, doesn't mean it's ok.

Well, I count the people who are genuinely dangerous, while you wouldn't even count the Glasgow airport terrorists.

I count those who are willing and ready to commit violent acts.
Who do you count?

Except Hamas and Hezbollah, right?

I tend to see Hamas and Hezbollah more like political parties who resort (or resorted) to terrorism as tactical choice. Quite different from Al-Qaida.

Hezbollah has been forced by the presence of UNIFIL2 to abandon terrorism and to convert into a -well let's say so- normal political party, normal for war-torn Lebanon I mean. Maybe something like that can be done with Hamas too - just like it was done with Fatah.

That is, they're not essentially terrorist organisations like Al-Qaida.

Well, I count the people who are genuinely dangerous, while you wouldn't even count the Glasgow airport terrorists.
The bams who drove their car into a door?

No, I wouldn't say they were that dangerous to anyone bar themselves.

... you wouldn't even count the Glasgow airport terrorists.

FO you can't even define your own opinions and your telling CW hers?

And FYI 0.5%, 37% ... does not constitute the majority of Muslims. FO - you couldn't count the number of pubes on a baby.

I count those who are willing and ready to commit violent acts.
Who do you count?

See, I count people who support those acts, people who disregard the norms and laws of countries, while living in those countries, based on their religion, and people who support Islamic theocracies and Sharia law.

obsession? I would not call it so.

It is more like fear. Considering America great power and influence people in other nations fear American obsessions, specially the most violent ones.

Nobody cares about Zimbabwe obsessions because they mostly only affect them and their neighbors.

The bams who drove their car into a door?

No, I wouldn't say they were that dangerous to anyone bar themselves.

"It's ok to be an Islamic terrorist if you fail."

See, I count people who support those acts, people who disregard the norms and laws of countries, while living in those countries, based on their religion, and people who support Islamic theocracies and Sharia law.

FO - people who disagree with you are not terrorists.

See, I count people who support those acts, people who disregard the norms and laws of countries, while living in those countries,

So you include yourself? Because, violent acts at the national scale is an American past time and Australia does seem to love being in on the action. And then there's that whole bit about torture and no legal recourse too.

And don't forget those 0.9 billion you talked about.

Nobody cares about Zimbabwe obsessions because they mostly only affect them and their neighbors.

Well, in fairness, most of Zimbabwe's obsessions mostly focus on "how will I eat today" and "will I be able to eat tomorrow".

It doesn't exactly go well as a headline on a gloss magazine next to "10 tips to drive your man wild in bed" and a picture of Lindsay Lohan.

"It's ok to be an Islamic terrorist if you fail."
"I am unable to comprehend the meaning of statements."

Well, in fairness, most of Zimbabwe's obsessions mostly focus on "how will I eat today" and "will I be able to eat tomorrow".

It doesn't exactly go well as a headline on a gloss magazine next to "10 tips to drive your man wild in bed" and a picture of Lindsay Lohan.

I was thinking in genitalia mutilation.

!ألّا ألأكْبَر

!ألّا ألأكْبَر


That's not fair!:mad:

Yo no sé nada de árabe. Qué mal!:(

That's not fair!:mad:

Yo no sé nada de árabe. Qué mal!:(

Y la mayoría de ese sitio no entienden el español.

Todo de mis comentarios no están para ti. Si si, eres bellisima y la mas guapa, pero alguno tiempo... ;)

Y la mayoría de ese sitio no entienden el español.

Todo de mis comentarios no están para ti. Si si, eres bellisima y la mas guapa, pero alguno tiempo... ;)

Vamos, no saques las cosas fuera de contexto. Yo sé que los comentarios no son todos para mi. Estaba respondiendo al tuyo sin ninguna otra intención. No malinterpretes.

Vamos, no saques las cosas fuera de contexto. Yo sé que los comentarios no son todos para mi. Estaba respondiendo al tuyo sin ninguna otra intención. No malinterpretes.

Ay, un chiste tía! Todos escribo es para ti. Por supuesto!

Maybe because of their size there's nothing else to look at :L :P (jk)

Ay, un chiste tía! Todos escribo es para ti. Por supuesto!

Aclara ese tipo de cosas, macho.:wink:

Pero déjame decirte que no es necesario que, cuandoe escribas comentarios, sean dirigidos a mi. Entiendo lo sabes, sólo lo digo para que no quepa duda razonable.

Aclara ese tipo de cosas, macho.:wink:

Pero déjame decirte que no es necesario que, cuandoe escribas comentarios, sean dirigidos a mi. Entiendo lo sabes, sólo lo digo para que no quepa duda razonable.

Nanatsu no tiene una fascinación con los americanos, solo con mi.

Nanatsu no tiene una fascinación con los americanos, solo con mi.

Presumido!:tongue:

Presumido!:tongue:

Y quien puede faltarse? Ella ha visto mis fotos, y soy un hombre guapo. Ella esta una mujer racional. Es natural!

Y quien puede faltarse? Ella ha visto mis fotos, y soy un hombre guapo. Ella esta una mujer racional. Es natural!

Bueno, ésto me sirve para tener más cuidado a quién le doy cumplidos en la internet.:tongue:

Bueno, ésto me sirve para tener más cuidado a quién le doy cumplidos en la internet.:tongue:

Pero chica, si conoces solo los feos, donde esta la divertida?

I thought this thread was locked?

Pero chica, si conoces solo los feos, donde esta la divertida?

Oh Dios! Eso me hizo reír muchísimo!!:D

Oh Dios! Eso me hizo reír muchísimo!!:D

Tenemos una hila para nuestros usos. Quieres planear la destrucción de todos los habladores sin español?

Tenemos una hila para nuestros usos. Quieres planear la destrucción de todos los habladores sin español?

No le soples mi plan maestro a NSG.:mad:

To the secret lair!!

We need to know what we can take the piss out of you for, basically.

No le soples mi plan maestro a NSG.:mad:

To the secret lair!!

Now this could definitely go places I might enjoy...

Um...because the US makes a concerted effort to export its 'likes and dislikes'? Occasionally at gunpoint?

Now this could definitely go places I might enjoy...

As long as you don't wear Robin-like briefs, we'll be fine...:eek2:

As long as you don't wear Robin-like briefs, we'll be fine...:eek2:

I'll leave my banana hammock at home.

I'll leave my banana hammock at home.

Arigatou gozaimasu!!:fluffle:

Arigatou gozaimasu!!:fluffle:

I wouldn't want to break anything, anyways.

I wouldn't want to break anything, anyways.

*flees*:eek:

Explain what you mean by 'racist'. You sure you aren't meaning prejudice? Anyone that claims to not being prejudice is self deluded grown up in a box or a liar.


Prejudiced... oh, and bullshit.

Prejudiced... oh, and bullshit.

I think he has a point. I believe that the society one grows up in will always instill prejudices. No matter how much we try to get rid of them they'll always be there at some level.

In my opinion the only way to totally without prejudice would be to grow up in a vacuum.

I think he has a point. I believe that the society one grows up in will always instill prejudices. No matter how much we try to get rid of them they'll always be there at some level.

In my opinion the only way to totally without prejudice would be to grow up in a vacuum.

And... that's your opinion. Enjoy it.

The problem is when people try to pass those 'opinions' off as though they have any meaning regarding other people.

And... that's your opinion. Enjoy it.

The problem is when people try to pass those 'opinions' off as though they have any meaning regarding other people.

Are you saying that you believe people exist (yourself, for instance) who do not have prejudices?

Are you saying that you believe people exist (yourself, for instance) who do not have prejudices?

Sure.

I think that's patently untrue. We are all a product of our environments more than we wish to admit.

Honestly, I've never heard someone say that before.

Sure.

How did you manage to get rid of all of yours?

I dunno. I'm not the one living in Japan, now am I?
The point being that no one other than the Japanese people themselves are holding Japan to keep just a (rather large) defensive force. In fact, the US, the authors of Article 9, have been applying pressure as of late to change it so to say that Japan is still under occupation or being punished for WWII is not correct.

How did you manage to get rid of all of yours?

Empathy, I suspect. Making friends with people of other races and religions, and finding out that they were the same as me. A lot of reading. Considering how I would feel in certain situations - i.e. reversing roles.

Empathy, I suspect. Making friends with people of other races and religions, and finding out that they were the same as me. A lot of reading. Considering how I would feel in certain situations - i.e. reversing roles.

Grave, normally I wouldn't presume to tell you about yourself, but when I say you have prejudices...

I'm right.

There are lesser and greater degrees of prejudice. GnI is right though a little bit of empathy and lot of self education goes a long way to diminishing its effect. People grow and change, hopefully for the better. You don't have to be a slave of your upbringing. You have a stupid racist thought and then realize 'hey thats stupid and racist - I disagree with myself!'

There are lesser and greater degrees of prejudice. GnI is right though a little bit of empathy and lot of self education goes a long way to diminishing its effect. People grow and change, hopefully for the better. You don't have to be a slave of your upbringing. You have a stupid racist thought and then realize 'hey thats stupid and racist - I disagree with myself!'

That's fine, but those thoughts are still going to crop up. That you disagree with them when they do is good of you, but prejudice is not a conscious thought, but rather a subconscious one. Which is how I am so certain that there exists no one who is not.

That's fine, but those thoughts are still going to crop up. That you disagree with them when they do is good of you, but prejudice is not a conscious thought, but rather a subconscious one. Which is how I am so certain that there exists no one who is not.

The subconscious mind is formed by our thoughts. It's made up of the same thoughts and feeling which we consciously manifest. By learning to control your behavior and then your conscious thoughts then over time you can influence your subconscious mind as well.

Prejudices aren't a binary equation. There is no one who has none at all, nor should they. But there is no excuse for behaving like a racist (or Islamaphobic as the case may be) bigot and I do believe that we all have the capacity to change.

Prejudices aren't a binary equation. There is no one who has none at all, nor should they. But there is no excuse for behaving like a racist (or Islamaphobic as the case may be) bigot and I do believe that we all have the capacity to change.
Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. I am not using prejudices as a crutch, merely doubtful that Grave has none at all.

I'm not sure I agree about the subconscious mind. What you say might be psychologically true (I am not a psychologist, so I wouldn't know) but if it is then I meant something other than the subconscious mind. I think there are learned behaviors that we acquire as children from our environment that we can never be rid of and cannot control initially.

I think there are learned behaviors that we acquire as children from our environment that we can never be rid of and cannot control initially.

Certainly. Your still potty trained aren't you? And where did you learn to speak?

A person may become ingrained with racist attitudes at an early age but that doesn't mean that they can't change those attitudes ( at least enough to act respectfully and in a civilized manner ) but they first have to realize those attitude are wrong. And then they have to actually do somthing in order to change their own wrong programming.

Certainly. Your still potty trained aren't you? And where did you learn to speak?
Why, when you agree with me, does it sound like you're disagreeing with me?

Basically yes, I agree with you. I just think GnI's previous statement while perhaps not technically correct... I think he has the right idea. He mentioned through empathy and education (and mabey self awareness?) one can change. I agree with him, thats all.

Well, the title is obviously the question. Why do so many people wonder about the likes and dislikes of American society? Are we really that cool?

no we're not really that cool. we have guns pointed at their heads.
hopefully now, the real change,
is we'll stop using them to shove our idiocity down everyone else's throats.

See, I count people who support those acts, people who disregard the norms and laws of countries, while living in those countries, based on their religion, and people who support Islamic theocracies and Sharia law.

Wow, I'm a terrorist!!!

There are a good few laws in this country I most certainly don't support, after all.