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I guess not.

http://www.youtube.com/v/opxuUj6vFa4&hl=en&fs=1

Apparently, Reich is making the recommendation (and he seems to assume that the people he's talking to are of the same mind) that none of the stimulus go to white people.

I also love the part where he says that he doesn't have anything against white construction workers.

So how would this work? Would they insist, for example, that a construction firm hired to work on a new bridge deliberately fire all of their white employees, and hire only non-whites?

Would this even be remotely legal?

The best part of the video:

I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers. … I have nothing against white male construction workers. I’m just saying that there are a lot of other people who have needs as well. … Criteria can be set so that the money does go to others, the long term unemployed minorities, women, people who are not necessarily construction workers or high-skilled professionals.

Unfortunately racism is something deeply entrenched in many humans and it won't be erased any time soon.

That video didn't work for me, but I get the idea of it. The sad part is that people think reverse racism is alright, as long as white people are on the receiving end.

I always wonder if there really is a way to get people to view each other as equals. I think gen Y (most of us on here) does a decent job of it, as we grew up being taught that everyone is equal, but on the other hand there's still a lot of racism among us.

Does anyone think there's a way to end it?

Does anyone think there's a way to end it?

Paint everyone purple. *nods*

Call me naive, but I took that part about "not going to white construction workers" as meaning that the economic stimulus not simply be a bunch of heavy construction projects, which is often what governments do to pump money into the economy.

I understood it to mean that he doesn't want the money to go solely to professionals and highly paid construction workers, who he identifies as white males. Rather, he'd like to see some of the stimulus to go to unskilled laborers, who he identifies as minorities and women. Not quite what you were going for Hotwife, I'm sure, but seems like racism nonetheless.

I understood it to mean that he doesn't want the money to go solely to professionals and highly paid construction workers, who he identifies as white males. Rather, he'd like to see some of the stimulus to go to unskilled laborers, who he identifies as minorities and women. Not quite what you were going for Hotwife, I'm sure, but seems like racism nonetheless.

I was going for the racism.

But not to worry! I'm sure some of Reich's best friends are white males.

I was going for the racism.

But not to worry! I'm sure some of Reich's best friends are white males.

No, you were going for the "LOOK WHITES BEING DISCRIMINATED!" Let's not pretend.

No, you were going for the "LOOK WHITES BEING DISCRIMINATED!" Let's not pretend.

Well it does happen, and just to prove the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I was once offered a job in a Jamacian cafe as a cook!:D

I Thought Racism Was Over

Then that was pretty stupid of you, wasn't it?

Or do you have some lame strawman about Obama.

No, you were going for the "LOOK WHITES BEING DISCRIMINATED!" Let's not pretend.

What is the title of this thread?

What is the title of this thread?

"I Thought Racism Was Over"

I'm sure you think you have an argument in pointing that out, but in reality, you don't. You see, your post consists of more than the title.

White men are the real oppressed group.

"I Thought Racism Was Over"

I'm sure you think you have an argument in pointing that out, but in reality, you don't. You see, your post consists of more than the title.

Yes, I do. It's apparent that Robert Reich believes that racism is ok, as long as it's against white males. He also appears to believe that his audience agrees with that notion.

Can we have an original video? This sounds too cherrypicked.

Racism will never disappear unless we all bang each other until all our kids are all the same color.

The best part of the video:


As far as I'm concerned people are people regardless of race. I just wish that everyone could see that.

Weak, you are just playing into the author's fear mongering.

White Male Construction workers are the status quo, im sure we can all agree on that. If the representative chose to omit "White Male Contruction workers" and say "Spread around" instead of "Go to others", then this thread would not exist.

This video stinks like a republican smear campaign...

Well it does happen, and just to prove the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I was once offered a job in a Jamacian cafe as a cook!:D

The turban must have helped. :p

I wish people could let go of racism.

Yes, I do. It's apparent that Robert Reich believes that racism is ok, as long as it's against white males. He also appears to believe that his audience agrees with that notion.

So, we're back to the square one. You post about omg white oppression, I say that the guy looks like he's actually bigotted against blacks and women, you make some vague reference to the title of your thread, and we dance once more. Please, make a real point or go away.

White men are the real oppressed group.
*sniff* you have no idea how hard it is for us. just no idea at all.


Racism will never disappear unless we all bang each other until all our kids are all the same color.

I volunteer to participate in this endeavor. Entirely for the good of humanity, of course. It will be a herculean task, but if it means the end of racism, I suppose I'll have to do my part. *sigh*

Weak, you are just playing into the author's fear mongering.

White Male Construction workers are the status quo, im sure we can all agree on that. If the representative chose to omit "White Male Contruction workers" and say "Spread around" instead of "Go to others", then this thread would not exist.

This video stinks like a republican smear campaign...

Obviously, Robert Reich is a Republican operative trying to make Democrats look bad...

So, we're back to the square one. You post about omg white oppression, I say that the guy looks like he's actually bigotted against blacks and women, you make some vague reference to the title of your thread, and we dance once more. Please, make a real point or go away.

Obviously, he believes that reverse racism is ok.

I guess not.

http://www.youtube.com/v/opxuUj6vFa4&hl=en&fs=1

Apparently, Reich is making the recommendation (and he seems to assume that the people he's talking to are of the same mind) that none of the stimulus go to white people.

I also love the part where he says that he doesn't have anything against white construction workers.

So how would this work? Would they insist, for example, that a construction firm hired to work on a new bridge deliberately fire all of their white employees, and hire only non-whites?

Would this even be remotely legal?

Thats hilarious, especially coming from someone whose name is Reich. He doesnt look German tho.

Anyway, he is a racist and should be fired pronto.

The video won't run for me. Do you have a better link?

While I wait, let me ask this: What made you think racism was over?

Obviously, Robert Reich is a Republican operative trying to make Democrats look bad...

Oh, I get it. This guy being racist means Democrats are racist. Pages of trolling fun for everyone!

The video won't run for me. Do you have a better link?

While I wait, let me ask this: What made you think racism was over?

That's easy, Mura-chan. He thought that because now there's an African-American president, racism is a thing of the past. Obviously not.

That's easy, Mura-chan. He thought that because now there's an African-American president.

They said so on TV :p

How many articles have been written about this "post racial era"?

That's easy, Mura-chan. He thought that because now there's an African-American president, racism is a thing of the past. Obviously not.
Yeah, but his complaint is that white men are being discriminated against, so how would a black man having power stop that? ;) :D

That's easy, Mura-chan. He thought that because now there's an African-American president, racism is a thing of the past. Obviously not.

That's not the change we were looking for. Obama has thrown civil rights advocates under the bus!

They said so on TV :p

How many articles have been written about this "post racial era"?
"Post-racial" is as meaningless a phrase as "racism is over." I'm going to echo Sdaeriji and ask you if there actually is anything you're talking about here.

And your video -- when I click the link it goes directly to a full screen display that will not play. Can you link to the original youtube page? I would like to view it before I pass judgment on what you are accusing Robert Reich of.

They said so on TV :p

How many articles have been written about this "post racial era"?

Kimchi, you know better than that. You don't need me, a non-US resident or native to tell you that.

Let's take it globally. Just because there's an African-American president in the US doesn't mean racism is over. Is racism over in South Africa? And you know Mandela, ethnicity black, was president of that country. The apartheid is over, but you can still see some obvious segregation. For racism to completely disappear from a society, it can take many years.

They said so on TV :p

How many articles have been written about this "post racial era"?

Conservative mouthpieces pretending that racism is over so they can call Obama a "******" does not mean that racism is over. It means the opposite.

Yeah, but his complaint is that white men are being discriminated against, so how would a black man having power stop that? ;) :D

He answered. They said so on TV. :tongue:

That's not the change we were looking for. Obama has thrown civil rights advocates under the bus!

Which is a pity. I hope things do change. Your country needs that.

Yeah, but his complaint is that white men are being discriminated against, so how would a black man having power stop that? ;) :D

LOL.

His mom is white.

LOL.

His mom is white.

I feel like Kimchi is a bit intimidated by Barrack Obama.

They said so on TV :p

How many articles have been written about this "post racial era"?

OMG RACISM ISN'T 155% GONE!!! OBAMA LIED!!!

Do we really have this to look forward to for the next four years, Hot Deep Whispering Kimchi Wife Legs? Because I might take a four year sabbatical from NSG.

LOL.

His mom is white.
We're talking about the vicious perpetuation of discrimination against white MEN. So, obviously, his mom doesn't help because she only gives him girl genes. :p

We're talking about the vicious perpetuation of discrimination against white MEN. So, obviously, his mom doesn't help because she only gives him girl genes. :p

Oh gods! Oh gods! Teh lulz have attacked me.:D

I feel like Kimchi is a bit intimidated by Barrack Obama.

Is he? I know he was in the military and has lots of guns :p

Is he? I know he was in the military and has lots of guns :p

Well, you know what they say about men with guns... :p

Racism became history when the Martians destoyed humanity.

That hasn't happened yet? What is this madness?

Actually, he's more saying that wage slaves are going to get it in the ass.

Actually, he's more saying that wage slaves are going to get it in the ass.
A) No shit, Sherlock. Getting it in unpleasant ways is one of the defining features of being a "wage slave."

B) I am not aware that he is saying anything. Does anyone have a link to this thing that actually works?

B) I am not aware that he is saying anything. Does anyone have a link to this thing that actually works?

Link works fine for me.

A) No shit, Sherlock. Getting it in unpleasant ways is one of the defining features of being a "wage slave."

B) I am not aware that he is saying anything. Does anyone have a link to this thing that actually works?

Mura-chan, I think your computer has an aversion to anything Kimchi-related. That's why the link doesn't work for you.:tongue:

A) No shit, Sherlock. Getting it in unpleasant ways is one of the defining features of being a "wage slave."

B) I am not aware that he is saying anything. Does anyone have a link to this thing that actually works?

I don't have a link. But I heard the testimony. It was agreed that moneys could be taken from the middle class - wage slaves - and redistributed to welfare constituencies and the very rich without much problem because the middle class is having such a difficult time keeping things together they'll be too busy/desperate to complain or even understand what is going on.

The important point is that the very rich are actually going to get the bulk of this.

Mura-chan, I think your computer has an aversion to anything Kimchi-related. That's why the link doesn't work for you.:tongue:
That must be the case. Normally I have no problem with youtube links.

I don't have a link. But I heard the testimony. It was agreed that moneys could be taken from the middle class - wage slaves - and redistributed to welfare constituencies and the very rich without much problem because the middle class is having such a difficult time keeping things together they'll be too busy/desperate to complain or even understand what is going on.

The important point is that the very rich are actually going to get the bulk of this.
I think you are editorializing, which is fine, but until I can see or read Reich's remarks myself, I cannot reach any conclusions. In any event, I am more interested in judging whether his remarks are racist, as the OP says, than in whether this is just another money plan that isn't going to help anyone.

I think you are editorializing, which is fine, but until I can see or read Reich's remarks myself, I cannot reach any conclusions. In any event, I am more interested in judging whether his remarks are racist, as the OP says, than in whether this is just another money plan that isn't going to help anyone.

I do tend to editorialize. I'm like that. Never let the facts get in the way is my motto. :p

Wow, feels all misrepresentivey, who would of imagined. Also, the full testimony without the text framing whats said would be better. But even without that, Reich isn't saying that white construction workers not get the jobs, as the text implies. He starts off saying that infrastructure jobs are the best way to get a works program going, but that just infrastructure projects employ a disproportionate amount of highly skilled construction workers who happen to be predominantly white males and other projects that can employ the chronically unemployed, minorities, and women should be part of the stimulus as well. You know what? Show me he's wrong. Do it. Show me that the workers that build a bridge are not highly skilled and predominantly white males. Show me that a stimulus package that focuses primarily on public works like that would not help those construction workers disproportionate to the rest of the struggling population.

Racism became history when the Martians destoyed humanity.

That hasn't happened yet? What is this madness?

Madness? THIS IS SPARTAAAAA!!!

*kicks Londim down a conveniently placed well*

All right, I googled "robert reisch testimony white male" and from the results I conclude the following:

The OP's charge of racism is bullshit invented by rightwing extremist mouthpiece Michelle Malkin.

No reputable professional journalistic source is talking about this, but it is all over the rightwing blogs, and every single one of them is linking to and quoting Malkin. There is no other apparent source for the accusation that Reisch is racist.

Here is another obviously biased source, which is presented apparently with the sole purpose of accusing Reisch and another person of dishonesty and racism. This youtube clip shows a short part of the remarks in the committee session by Reisch and Charlie Rangel, and while they are speaking, the video makers superimpose their own comments that, in my opinion are not supported by the speakers' actual words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opxuUj6vFa4

I attempted to find the original, unedited video from c-span2 but could not.

Inasmuch as the only evidence we have for any "racism" in Robert Reisch's remarks is the cherrypicked bits selected by people with a clear and well documented interest in attacking the US left and the Democratic Party, as well as, in Ms. Malkin's case, a well documented history of making false accusations against public figures, I am prepared to dismiss the OP as BS.

Wow, feels all misrepresentivey, who would of imagined. Also, the full testimony without the text framing whats said would be better. But even without that, Reich isn't saying that white construction workers not get the jobs, as the text implies. He starts off saying that infrastructure jobs are the best way to get a works program going, but that just infrastructure projects employ a disproportionate amount of highly skilled construction workers who happen to be predominantly white males and other projects that can employ the chronically unemployed, minorities, and women should be part of the stimulus as well. You know what? Show me he's wrong. Do it. Show me that the workers that build a bridge are not highly skilled and predominantly white males. Show me that a stimulus package that focuses primarily on public works like that would not help those construction workers disproportionate to the rest of the struggling population.
That's how I understood his remarks as well. When I finally got to hear them, it seemed clear to me that, although his wording was awkward, he was clearly urging that any jobs stimulus ALSO make an effort to target minority and female workers and the long-term unemployed. He was making a plea for the stimulus package to be broad and inclusive.

Also, by his very wording, I will confidently call the accusation that he wants to deny stimulus money to white males as a flat-out lie.

Madness? THIS IS SPARTAAAAA!!!

*kicks Londim down a conveniently placed well*

I get the last laugh! I'll poison your water supply with my corpse!.

Inasmuch as the only evidence we have for any "racism" in Robert Reisch's remarks is the cherrypicked bits selected by people with a clear and well documented interest in attacking the US left and the Democratic Party, as well as, in Ms. Malkin's case, a well documented history of making false accusations against public figures, I am prepared to dismiss the OP as BS.

While Malkin is nothing but a waste of bandwith, and the video loses credibility by being heavily edited and having the sound out of sync (for me at least), maybe it's easier to understand what Reich is saying by actually reading his blog...

Thursday, January 08, 2009
The Stimulus: How to Create Jobs Without Them All Going to Skilled Professionals and White Male Construction Workers

The stimulus plan will create jobs repairing and upgrading the nation's roads, bridges, ports, levees, water and sewage system, public-transit systems, electricity grid, and schools. And it will kick-start alternative, non-fossil based sources of energy (wind, solar, geothermal, and so on); new health-care information systems; and universal broadband Internet access.

It's a two-fer: lots of new jobs, and investments in the nation's future productivity.

But if there aren't enough skilled professionals to do the jobs involving new technologies, the stimulus will just increase the wages of the professionals who already have the right skills rather than generate many new jobs in these fields. And if construction jobs go mainly to white males who already dominate the construction trades, many people who need jobs the most -- women, minorities, and the poor and long-term unemployed -- will be shut out.

What to do? There's no easy solution to either dilemma. But there's no reason to think about "green jobs" as simply high-tech. Many low-income and low-skilled workers -- women as well as men -- could be put directly to work providing homes and businesses with more efficient and renewable heating, lighting, cooling, and refrigeration systems; installing solar panels and efficient photovoltaic systems; rehabilitating and renovating old properties, and improving recycling systems. "Green Jobs Corps" teams could be trained to evaluate and advise homeowners and businesses on these and other means of conserving energy.

People can be trained relatively quickly for these sorts of jobs, as well as many infrastructure j0bs generated by the stimulus -- installing new pipes for water and sewage systems, repairing and upgrading equipment, basic construction -- but contractors have to be nudged both to provide the training and to do the hiring.

I'd suggest that all contracts entered into with stimulus funds require contractors to provide at least 20 percent of jobs to the long-term unemployed and to people withincomes at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty level. And at least 2 percent of project funds should be allocated to such training. In addition, advantage should be taken of buildings trades apprenticeships -- wich must be fully available to women and minorities.
http://robertreich.blogspot.com/

Dear lord, he's got a blog... :eek2:

"I Thought Racism Was Over"

I'm sure you think you have an argument in pointing that out, but in reality, you don't. You see, your post consists of more than the title.

We liberals always complain about discrimination against minorities, while the conservatives always complain about discrimination against whites; there is probably plenty of both (even if anti-white discrimination is not so crippling), therefor all balances-out.

We liberals always complain about discrimination against minorities, while the conservatives always complain about discrimination against whites; there is probably plenty of both (even if anti-white discrimination is not so crippling), therefor all balances-out.

I'm saying there isn't white discrimination. I'm taking exception to Hot Deep Legs Kimchi Whispering Wife pretending like he's some sort of progressive, when all he's really doing is bitching about omg white discriminiation by taking some dumb comments out of context and, in my opinion, misinterpreting them.

While Malkin is nothing but a waste of bandwith, and the video loses credibility by being heavily edited and having the sound out of sync (for me at least), maybe it's easier to understand what Reich is saying by actually reading his blog...


http://robertreich.blogspot.com/

Dear lord, he's got a blog... :eek2:

Well look at that. That makes sense.

While Malkin is nothing but a waste of bandwith, and the video loses credibility by being heavily edited and having the sound out of sync (for me at least), maybe it's easier to understand what Reich is saying by actually reading his blog...


http://robertreich.blogspot.com/

Dear lord, he's got a blog... :eek2:
I deliberately did not refer to his blog to avoid a counter accusation of bias. :D

I'm saying there isn't white discrimination.

That is pure nonsense.

I'm taking exception to Hot Deep Legs Kimchi Whispering Wife pretending like he's some sort of progressive,

He is not; he probably thinks of constant anger over minority-discrimination as an attack on his race, and he felt obliged to point-out that whites are not exempt themselves from being discriminated against. I am sure the fellow is someone you would not like, but do not attack him via his complaints. I am sure, liek the rest of us, he says very obtuse things occasionally; this thread is not all that bad.

when all he's really doing is bitching about omg white discriminiation by taking some dumb comments out of context and, in my opinion, misinterpreting them.

It is discrimination; whether or not it is racist is another matter.

I agree. Total racism to suggest that non-whites can't also be highly skilled professionals. What an asshole.

That is pure nonsense.



He is not; he probably thinks of constant anger over minority-discrimination as an attack on his race, and he felt obliged to point-out that whites are not exempt themselves from being discriminated against. I am sure the fellow is someone you would not like, but do not attack him via his complaints. I am sure, liek the rest of us, he says very obtuse things occasionally; this thread is not all that bad.



It is discrimination; whether or not it is racist is another matter.

Oh, oops, there should have been a "not" in that first sentence. "I'm not saying there isn't white discriminiation."

Yeah....I heard about that on the radio...and at first it bothered me...then I heard the call ins....My god it may have been one of the most offensive things Ive heard...Like, Twenty old Rednecks in their 60's start callin in...It was so much bullshit...


Racism'll get a little better when their generation finally dies...