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HUNTLEY, Ill. (Jan. 21) - An Illinois school bus driver has been found guilty of intentionally slamming on the brakes to throw misbehaving children from their seats.
A judge in Huntley, Ill., found Julieta Clinton guilty on Tuesday of reckless conduct and child endangerment as part of a plea deal in which Clinton did not admit guilt.
McHenry County prosecutors say Clinton was driving 54 youngsters to school last April when she became frustrated with their unruly behavior and braked hard twice.
Her attorney says it was an accident.
One youngster was treated at a hospital and 18 others were treated at the scene.
The children ranged in age from 5 to 10.
Clinton is scheduled to be sentenced on April 3. She could face up to a year in prison.

I know, I know. Nanatsu, do not laugh!:mad: This is no laughing matter. But I just can't help it. Gomen asai.

On a serious note, would you use extreme messures like the bus driver to treat unruly kids? Should Clinton go to jail or is the McHenry County police overreacting? Comments.

I can understand why she did it. I used to ride a bus when I was a kid.

I can understand why she did it. I used to ride a bus when I was a kid.

But, I mean. Is it ok to use methods like that?

doesn't she look at little young to be a bus driver?

doesn't she look at little young to be a bus driver?

Yeah, actually now that you mention it, she does.

It's probably not OK. I mean, she is entrusted with the safety of the passengers and she knowingly endangered them by braking like that. But, it might almost be worth the conviction just to teach the little snots a lesson, I'll give her that. Also, a child was treated for injuries at a hospital? Really?!

If it was deliberately done as a form of punishment and not an accident, take her driver's license and toss her from her job. As to jail, I'm unsure. She should at the very least have to take counciling for anger management.

But, I mean. Is it ok to use methods like that?

Probably not, but here's the deal:

If those kids were seated in their seats, properly, facing forward, they would not have been injured. The way bus seats are designed is to work in such a way that seat belts are not necessary. This is why school buses in the US do not have seat belts.

The only reason that kid would have gone to the hospital is that he was standing up either in the aisle or on the seat, or kneeling on the seat, facing backwards, or some such. Ergo, the kids wouldn't have been injured if they were doing what they were told.

That doesn't make it OK, but she doesn't have all of the blame here if a couple kids got injured.

It's probably not OK. I mean, she is entrusted with the safety of the passengers and she knowingly endangered them by braking like that. But, it might almost be worth the conviction just to teach the little snots a lesson, I'll give her that. Also, a child was treated for injuries at a hospital? Really?!

I think this has to do with an irate parent too.

Why has this even made the news.

I recall my school bus drivers doing the same very very often.

Why has this even made the news.

I recall my school bus drivers doing the same very very often.

I'm sure the prents of the kid that was taken to the hospital must have call the authorities.

Yeah, actually now that you mention it, she does.

I wonder if she will soon be in some sort of bus porno?

a child was treated for injuries at a hospital? Really?!

prolly wasn't wearing his seatbelt:cool:

That doesn't make it OK, but she doesn't have all of the blame here if a couple kids got injured.

children are stupid and cannot be held responsible for their actions though

prolly wasn't wearing his seatbelt:cool:

Do those school buses even have those?:eek2:

Do those school buses even have those?:eek2:

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Do those school buses even have those?:eek2:

some of life's lessons have to be taught the hard way >.>

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I see. Thanks.

some of life's lessons have to be taught the hard way >.>

By falling down and fucking up your noggin'? Lol!:D

I see. Thanks.

Sorry I had to add some content. :)

Epic bus driver is epic.

Sorry I had to add some content. :)

That's always appreciated.

Epic bus driver is epic.

Agreed. Hey, if you don't want to get hurt on the bus, then sit down and shut up.

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I know, I know. Nanatsu, do not laugh!:mad: This is no laughing matter. But I just can't help it. Gomen asai.

On a serious note, would you use extreme messures like the bus driver to treat unruly kids? Should Clinton go to jail or is the McHenry County police overreacting? Comments.

no. heck, our public transportation did that (and it was to avoid an accident) the police are called to investigate.

while I can understand her fustration, to purposely do that is wrong.

I also, agree with, Galloism.

Her defense should be she was distracted by the unruly kids, and thought she was going to get into an accident thus had to break hard... twice...

Schools -- and by extention, schoolbuses -- are supposed to help children, not injuire them. She needs to go to jail.

Her defense should be she was distracted by the unruly kids, and thought she was going to get into an accident thus had to break hard... twice...

I think it's a bit too late for that.:tongue:

I think it's a bit too late for that.:tongue:

hence "Should have been". ;)

Drive the lession home that kids need to behave... Especially on a Bus.

What she did was wrong. However, the children on the bus were asking for it. There are rules on school buses for a reason, safety. Distracting the bus driver by acting like a jackass is not safe and may result in an accident. Not sitting in the seat of a school bus properly may result in injury during said accident. The children have now learned cause and effect.

I'd say she should be up for losing her bus driving license as well as a number of charges regarding the injuries of the children. I don't sympathize with any of the children who were acting up however.

It should be a regular practice. Not as a punishment, just as safety training.

She might well have saved the lives of some of these kids in the long term, as they will remember this deeply, and that memory will put some fear of car accidents into them. Maybe one time they'll decide NOT to overtake that one car for no other reason as to prove their virility.

Also, hard cornering in buses FTW.

Lol.

Those are the kind of methods my father used when he used to work with the highway patrol and was taking unruly drunks to jail.

Hilarious. Also, totally something I would do. Imagine how annoying those kids are?

We need to pay our bus drivers more!

Hilarious. Also, totally something I would do. Imagine how annoying those kids are?

We need to pay our bus drivers more!

Feed them our kids!!!

Hmm... not the best way to solve a problem.

That's entirely inappropriate, and she's damn lucky none of the kids got more seriously hurt. It is absolutely not her place to endanger other people's children because they're annoying her.

That's entirely inappropriate, and she's damn lucky none of the kids got more seriously hurt. It is absolutely not her place to endanger other people's children because they're annoying her.

She's only human and is thusly able to get distracted by unruly kids. The only way the kids could have been injured is if they violated the safety rules and were standing or sitting very improperly. The only ways to avoid situations like this are to get rid of buses (how can you get injured on a bus if there are no buses?) or to replace the drivers with robots and you don't want an unthinking, unfeeling machine running you down with a multi-ton vehicle travelling 60 mph (about 100 km/h for those living in the internet's metric tubes) as part of some plot for total world domination by our former mechanical slaves.

.....or do you?

I, for one, welcome our new robot-bus-driver overlords.

, unfeeling machine running you down with a multi-ton vehicle travelling 60 mph (about 100 km/h for those living in the internet's metric tubes) as part of some plot for total world domination by our former mechanical slaves.

.....or do you?

Where the Hell have you seen buses going 60mph? The fastest I've seen them go is 45mph.

I, for one, welcome our new robot-bus-driver overlords.

The only problem is, what will happen if The Second Renaissance actually plays out? Our children will be doomed in the hand of an AI pissed off at humanity! :eek:

Where the Hell have you seen buses going 60mph? The fastest I've seen them go is 45mph.

On interstates. They obey speed limits to the t, if I'm not mistaken.

Just a partisan prosecutor out to get Clinton.

On interstates. They obey speed limits to the t, if I'm not mistaken.

Then bus drivers in NC suck.

My co-driver damn near broke my spine "shotgunning" the brakes to wake me up for a shift once. I could've killed him. Point is, the road is no place for horseplay. Maybe the kids will get a few bucks out of it.

Rookie!

All she had to do was scream

"SIT DOWN OR THE BUNNY GET'S IT!"

Where the Hell have you seen buses going 60mph? The fastest I've seen them go is 45mph.

Do you fancy school buses are rigged so they don't go higher than 50 mph? Maybe that lady had her bus pimped or something.:tongue:

Where the Hell have you seen buses going 60mph? The fastest I've seen them go is 45mph.

My bus when I was in HS did 50+ quite often.

We used to try and convince the driver to spike the breaks for fun.... <.<

This was a Illinois bus driver! Z0mg! Its all Obama's fault! [/annoying right wing response]

She's only human and is thusly able to get distracted by unruly kids. The only way the kids could have been injured is if they violated the safety rules and were standing or sitting very improperly. The only ways to avoid situations like this are to get rid of buses (how can you get injured on a bus if there are no buses?) or to replace the drivers with robots and you don't want an unthinking, unfeeling machine running you down with a multi-ton vehicle travelling 60 mph (about 100 km/h for those living in the internet's metric tubes) as part of some plot for total world domination by our former mechanical slaves.

.....or do you?

HHmmm......put someone in charge of getting kids safely to school if they are the type of person to get distracted by them.......hardly sounds like a professional driver.
As for sitting improperly - if the bus has no seat belts sharp breaking will knock you off your seat however you are sitting.
I cannot imagine every kid was playing up, so innocent kids could have been hurt (and if it was my kid, there would be a big law suit coming)
The best thing the driver could have done is stop the bus slowly and safely and said it was going no where until they calmed down

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I know, I know. Nanatsu, do not laugh!:mad: This is no laughing matter. But I just can't help it. Gomen asai.

On a serious note, would you use extreme messures like the bus driver to treat unruly kids? Should Clinton go to jail or is the McHenry County police overreacting? Comments.


Nope no forgivness from me. I have said it before, and I'll carry on until I die, All bus drivers are cunts!

Nope no forgivness from me. I have said it before, and I'll carry on until I die, All bus drivers are cunts!

Langauge, British gentleman!:eek:

Langauge, British gentleman!:eek:

Heh it's an everyday word over here. One that is certianly apt for the way bus drivers treat their customers.:D

Heh it's an everyday word over here. One that is certianly apt for the way bus drivers treat their customers.:D

Meh, you're right. Bus drivers are so ill-mannered.

Meh, you're right. Bus drivers are so ill-mannered.

They're paid sometimes with minimum, forced to clean up their own buses themselves, forced to deal with unruly kids, high school idiots and bad chanting during every football game. On top of that, they rarely get new buses until the damn thing breaks down entirely, and they provide a needed function for the public school system.

They have no need or motivation to be friendly.

They're paid sometimes with minimum, forced to clean up their own buses themselves, forced to deal with unruly kids, high school idiots and bad chanting during every football game. On top of that, they rarely get new buses until the damn thing breaks down entirely, and they provide a needed function for the public school system.

They have no need or motivation to be friendly.

Partly true and partly false. My dad's a bus driver and yes they do have to put up with a lot, but it is their job, don't like it leave it.

As to being freindly, they are told by their bosses what behaviour is expected of them. Rather like the irate soldier in the other thread, it is part of their job, they all know what it is like and what behviour is expected of them, if they can't do their jobs correctly then I have no sympathy for them.

Really, and belive me on this one, I use the bus service every day, and if it wasn't for my travel pass, I would hit the roof at the service they give for £2 per bus trip.

They are rude, inconsiderate, dangerous to other drivers, passangers, and cyclists(in fact we had yet another fatality down the road from me this weekend where a bully of a bus driver killed a cyclist), racist, overall cuntish.

Heh you can tell I don't like em huh!:D

Meh, you're right. Bus drivers are so ill-mannered.

Meh, I don't know. I don't use buses.

HHmmm......put someone in charge of getting kids safely to school if they are the type of person to get distracted by them.......hardly sounds like a professional driver.
As for sitting improperly - if the bus has no seat belts sharp breaking will knock you off your seat however you are sitting.
I cannot imagine every kid was playing up, so innocent kids could have been hurt (and if it was my kid, there would be a big law suit coming)
The best thing the driver could have done is stop the bus slowly and safely and said it was going no where until they calmed down

School buses are designed so that seat belts aren't really needed. If the bus has to suddenly stop, like say if a big vehicle rams into one full-speed, the kids that are sitting properly don't get seriously injured. If the kids are standing or running around, sure, you'll get injuries. Just like if you stick your hand outside the bus, you'll get an amputee. Rules are rules and God invented natural selection for a reason. But I guess we should let our dumbasses survive themselves. It's not like we'll get one in the White House, elected Commander-in-Chief of all the American armed forces.

Meh, I don't know. I don't use buses.

They are. So, be careful if you ever use a bus. I tend to not say anything to them, go in, pay fare and take a seat.

They are. So, be careful if you ever use a bus. I tend to not say anything to them, go in, pay fare and take a seat.

Maybe they're surly because no one ever talks to them.

Maybe they're surly because no one ever talks to them.

I tried. They're just too damn sulky.

I'm sure the prents of the kid that was taken to the hospital must have call the authorities.

In the old days, if the bus driver told the parents that their kids were little hellions, the parents would have punished the children.

Now it's all about protecting the kids' self-esteem, freedom to be jackasses, etc.

I tried. They're just too damn sulky.

You could always flash a boob.

In the old days, if the bus driver told the parents that their kids were little hellions, the parents would have punished the children.

Now it's all about protecting the kids' self-esteem, freedom to be jackasses, etc.

And that's why now we have kids who dare hit their parents or kill them.

You could always flash a boob.

Oh no. I only show my boobs to special people.

And that's why now we have kids who dare hit their parents or kill them.

Let's put it this way.

If you have a dog, and you're training him to be housebroken, would you do the following method?

Wait around, doing nothing, letting him crap in the house, and then, when he's three years old, beat the shit out of him with a stick when he craps in the house?

No. But that's the way many people raise their kids these days.

Let's put it this way.

If you have a dog, and you're training him to be housebroken, would you do the following method?

Wait around, doing nothing, letting him crap in the house, and then, when he's three years old, beat the shit out of him with a stick when he craps in the house?

No. But that's the way many people raise their kids these days.

Oh, I know. I have to deal with bratty kids on a daily basis if it so happens that a school comes to visit Parliament. I think that's partly the reason I won't have kids of my own.

You could always flash a boob.

I she won't flash me she won't flash a bus driver.

The driver's response was unfair and unjustified. Children who weren't misbehaving were placed in just as much danger as though who were. What she should have done is parked the bus, and smashed in the faces of the misbehaving children with a sledgehammer.

To ensure the other children suffered no long-term disturbance from what they'd seen (I'm not a monster) after torching the corpses of the misbehaving children and throwing their remains out at the local dump, she should buy all the other children a lollipop. The children learn the valuable lesson that good behaviour brings rewards, while bad behavour results in a painful and bloody death. Now they know. And knowing is half the battle!

The children learn the valuable lesson that good behaviour brings rewards, while bad behavour results in a painful and bloody death. Now they know. And knowing is half the battle!

In some real life situations, bad behavior does result in a painful and bloody death.

I feel the bus driver wasn't given any effective tools for handling childrens' behavior (no tools short of "Sit down and be quiet!" and slamming on the brakes).

That, and the kids were little hellions. Of course, the parents don't want to hear that their children are disrespectful little shits with sawdust for brains - they don't want to hear that they've been raising slope-headed, beady-eyed, mouthbreathing, egg-sucking, chicken-stealing gutter trash with zero respect for any kind of authority.

In some real life situations, bad behavior does result in a painful and bloody death.

I feel the bus driver wasn't given any effective tools for handling childrens' behavior (no tools short of "Sit down and be quiet!" and slamming on the brakes).

That, and the kids were little hellions. Of course, the parents don't want to hear that their children are disrespectful little shits with sawdust for brains - they don't want to hear that they've been raising slope-headed, beady-eyed, mouthbreathing, egg-sucking, chicken-stealing gutter trash with zero respect for any kind of authority.

Kimchi, try to keep the kid-insults to a minimum.

In some real life situations, bad behavior does result in a painful and bloody death.

I feel the bus driver wasn't given any effective tools for handling childrens' behavior (no tools short of "Sit down and be quiet!" and slamming on the brakes).

That, and the kids were little hellions. Of course, the parents don't want to hear that their children are disrespectful little shits with sawdust for brains - they don't want to hear that they've been raising slope-headed, beady-eyed, mouthbreathing, egg-sucking, chicken-stealing gutter trash with zero respect for any kind of authority.

I bet all those kids end up voting Democrat.

I bet all those kids end up voting Democrat.

And Republican. *nod*

In some real life situations, bad behavior does result in a painful and bloody death.

I feel the bus driver wasn't given any effective tools for handling childrens' behavior (no tools short of "Sit down and be quiet!" and slamming on the brakes).

That, and the kids were little hellions. Of course, the parents don't want to hear that their children are disrespectful little shits with sawdust for brains - they don't want to hear that they've been raising [ill-behaved] for any kind of authority.

but is it the bus driver's job to discipline those kids? she could've just pulled the bus off the road and wait till the kids settle down. then report those kids to her superiors as well as the school(s) itself so that word can reach their parents about proper bus riding behavior and safety.

I bet all those kids end up voting Democrat.

And Republican. *nod*

which is better than them growing up and *NOT* voting. :p

which is better than them growing up and *NOT* voting. :p

Indeed.

I tried. They're just too damn sulky. try smiling and saying "Hi" and "thank you" every now and then. that really cheers them up.

You could always flash a boob. are you kidding? I'm still awaiting on some pics from Nanatsu! ;)

Just a partisan prosecutor out to get Clinton. hehehe... and Clinton's going to jail! :D

but is it the bus driver's job to discipline those kids? she could've just pulled the bus off the road and wait till the kids settle down. then report those kids to her superiors as well as the school(s) itself so that word can reach their parents about proper bus riding behavior and safety.

A lot of parents don't give a damn what their kids do at school, as long as they aren't convicted of a felony.

A lot of parents don't give a damn what their kids do at school, as long as they aren't convicted of a felony.

but is it the bus driver's job to discipline the kids?

but is it the bus driver's job to discipline the kids?

Exactly, is not the bus driver's job. Discipline falls unto the parents.

The driver's response was unfair and unjustified.
And what if the driver actually had to brake? What if there was a vehicle crossing the road ahead, or an aggressive car driver on the road, or an accident somewhere in the front, or any other situation which is the reason road vehicles are equipped with brakes?

Would the bus driver be found guilty of injuring kids then, too?


Children who weren't misbehaving were
Sitting safely in their seats that are designed to let the occupants go through collisions, not just mere slap on the brakes. And I doubt the schoolbus is equipped with some eight-caliper 20-inch Porsche ceramics.

If the lazy bus brakes give you an injury, you're doing something very, very wrong.

Lmao, theyre late...

Man, we used to do the whole Aisle Surfing bit...and one time, one of my friends got this one kid to do it, and the he yelled out "Brake Check!!!" Bus driver slammed on the breaks and the kid went immediately flying into the dash board...

Funny as shit....First the Foam Dodge balls now theyre gonna stop the Busdriving antics...No wonder we have Emos....

Our bus driver did it all the time! People baby their kids too much in U.S. I think, which is why we end up with kids who don't listen or behave on buses etc. because they learn early that if they whine enough mommy or daddy will pitch a fit and they will get their way. That said, the bus driver probably should have been more responsible since it was such young kids. Maybe just pull over and stop the bus. tell the brats they wont be going home til they settle down.

And what if the driver actually had to brake? What if there was a vehicle crossing the road ahead, or an aggressive car driver on the road, or an accident somewhere in the front, or any other situation which is the reason road vehicles are equipped with brakes?

Would the bus driver be found guilty of injuring kids then, too? probably not, but since that scenario was NOT brought up but the fact that those were accidents on her part...

probably not, but since that scenario was NOT brought up but the fact that those were accidents on her part...
No, what I mean is.

What if there was a situation where the driver actually had to brake - who would be jailed, who would be lawsuited, who would we make the scapegoat?



Brakes are a normal function of a road vehicle. Complaining about your driver using brakes is like complaining about your beer tasting of hops.

No, what I mean is.

What if there was a situation where the driver actually had to brake - who would be jailed, who would be lawsuited, who would we make the scapegoat?

Brakes are a normal function of a road vehicle. Complaining about your driver using brakes is like complaining about your beer tasting of hops.

ah, my mistake.

who knows. that depends on the lawyers and the situation.