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Before you use all that energy being outraged, though, don't worry. The clock won't last. It will be taken down in the spirit of "unity", "anti-divisiveness", "hope", "good will", and "teamwork" as we try to smother the next great depression and any chance at free trade and capitalism in a gigantic pile of extorted (via taxes) and borrowed (via China), mass printed money. Don't be glum though, it is your proud patriotic duty to participate in the permanent expansion of government while graciously "sacrificing" via Oval Office instructions.

Now get your head right and remember your duty to maintain your audacity of hope in Uncle Obama and his plan to save you from circumstances you could never overcome on your own, without him and the "new" government deal, or new deal government or whatever they end up calling it. After all it isn't about right and wrong or your narrow interpretation of some value system, it is about all of us coming together towards the center (which is actually to the left because you are starting out so far to the right, it's science, don't worry about it I will tell you when to stop) and being inclusive.

Sour grapes?

Lolwut?

I'm not worried. I have faith that Obama will stop time.

I'm not worried. I have faith that Obama will stop time.

http://www.makesmelol.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/stop-time.jpg

Sour grapes?

Ignore the OP. He hates the President. Which means he hates the public who elected him and the institutional framework which allowed Obama to progress through his career and be elected. Which means he hates the constitution, and ultimately freedom itself.

In short, he's a terrorist.

so what happens when obama wins again?

Lame.

In short, he's a terrorist.

Burn the Terrorist!
He turned me into a newt!

Ignore the OP. He hates the President. Which means he hates the public who elected him and the institutional framework which allowed Obama to progress through his career and be elected. Which means he hates the constitution, and ultimately freedom itself.

In short, he's a terrorist.

Understanding fail.

Correlation is not causation. Just because a terrorist may have this point of view, it doesn't mean that all people that have this point of view are terrorists.

Mostly it's the part where they commit a crime which terrifies the general populace, that's what he's missing out on.

Burn the Terrorist!
He turned me into a newt!

You'll get better. But burn him anyway!

Understanding fail.

Correlation is not causation. Just because a terrorist may have this point of view, it doesn't mean that all people that have this point of view are terrorists.

Mostly it's the part where they commit a crime which terrifies the general populace, that's what he's missing out on.

He's committed thoughtcrime by posting a thread critical of the sexy, well-hung black man who is going to lead the world into a new era of extraordinary peace and harmony. So I repeat, he's a terrorist.

Understanding fail.
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Don't look now...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/DrkHelmet/Demotivational%20Posters/Obama.jpg

Understanding fail.

Correlation is not causation. Just because a terrorist may have this point of view, it doesn't mean that all people that have this point of view are terrorists.

Mostly it's the part where they commit a crime which terrifies the general populace, that's what he's missing out on.

Understanding understanding fail.

For christ sake, really? I mean.....really?




Fucking really?

He's committed thoughtcrime by posting a thread critical of the sexy, well-hung black man who is going to lead the world into a new era of extraordinary peace and harmony. So I repeat, he's a terrorist.

Understanding fail.

We have no proof that the President is well hung.

And I apply this rebuttal in utmost seriousness. Utmost.

Oh, and there's no way to know he'll lead us into a new era. And I'm smart for pointing that out. I understand things. I refute you, because I understand and am smart.

Understanding fail.

We have no proof that the President is well hung.

And I apply this rebuttal in utmost seriousness. Utmost.

Oh, and there's no way to know he'll lead us into a new era. And I'm smart for pointing that out. I understand things. I refute you, because I understand and am smart.

"Aha!", I proclaim with a winning air.

"But we have no proof you are smart. Indeed, ghosts don't even have brains, so I'd wager there's a substantial chance you're a bit of a thicky. With no evidence that you are capable of understanding things, we can thus rationally dismiss all your opinions".

"Aha!", I proclaim with a winning air.

"But we have no proof you are smart. Indeed, ghosts don't even have brains, so I'd wager there's a substantial chance you're a bit of a thicky. With no evidence that you are capable of understanding things, we can thus rationally dismiss all your opinions".

You laugh, dude, but somebody actually felt the need to actually argue that ghosts didn't exist, and even if they did, etc etc....

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Before you use all that energy being outraged, though, don't worry. The clock won't last. It will be taken down in the spirit of "unity", "anti-divisiveness", "hope", "good will", and "teamwork" as we try to smother the next great depression and any chance at free trade and capitalism in a gigantic pile of extorted (via taxes) and borrowed (via China), mass printed money. Don't be glum though, it is your proud patriotic duty to participate in the permanent expansion of government while graciously "sacrificing" via Oval Office instructions.

Now get your head right and remember your duty to maintain your audacity of hope in Uncle Obama and his plan to save you from circumstances you could never overcome on your own, without him and the "new" government deal, or new deal government or whatever they end up calling it. After all it isn't about right and wrong or your narrow interpretation of some value system, it is about all of us coming together towards the center (which is actually to the left because you are starting out so far to the right, it's science, don't worry about it I will tell you when to stop) and being inclusive.

You Sir, Win.

"Aha!", I proclaim with a winning air.

"But we have no proof you are smart. Indeed, ghosts don't even have brains, so I'd wager there's a substantial chance you're a bit of a thicky. With no evidence that you are capable of understanding things, we can thus rationally dismiss all your opinions".

If you wanna do that homo roleplaying whathaveyou, don't do it here. We don't take well to your kind round these parts.

Hurray. Can't wait till he's gone.

Trust me. You'll be begging for him to come back a few weeks into the term of President Skeletor.

Make sure when you cry yourself to sleep tonight to catch your tears into a wine glass. It will make it much easier for me to drink them.

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Before you use all that energy being outraged, though, don't worry. The clock won't last. It will be taken down in the spirit of "unity", "anti-divisiveness", "hope", "good will", and "teamwork" as we try to smother the next great depression and any chance at free trade and capitalism in a gigantic pile of extorted (via taxes) and borrowed (via China), mass printed money. Don't be glum though, it is your proud patriotic duty to participate in the permanent expansion of government while graciously "sacrificing" via Oval Office instructions.

Now get your head right and remember your duty to maintain your audacity of hope in Uncle Obama and his plan to save you from circumstances you could never overcome on your own, without him and the "new" government deal, or new deal government or whatever they end up calling it. After all it isn't about right and wrong or your narrow interpretation of some value system, it is about all of us coming together towards the center (which is actually to the left because you are starting out so far to the right, it's science, don't worry about it I will tell you when to stop) and being inclusive.

Change we can all believe in huh, what a big lie Obama told. Since the fact is change you can believe in means alot of different things to many persons., The President who will never lie to you, how honest of President Obama.

Change we can all believe in huh, what a big Obama told. Since the fact is change you can believe in means alot of different things to many persons., The President who will never lie to you, how honest of President Obama.

Do you have this post saved in word format to just copy paste at will?

Trust me. You'll be begging for him to come back a few weeks into the term of President Skeletor.

Who? Obama? I will never beg for him to come back. I want him gone now. George Bush is still my President.

If you wanna do that homo roleplaying whathaveyou, don't do it here. We don't take well to your kind round these parts.

That was not even faintly roleplay, my dear, unless I was roleplaying as myself. If you wanna do that "being a total tool" thing, don't do it here. We don't take well to your kind round these parts. Unless they're funny. Which you, seemingly, aren't. kthxbai

Who? Obama? I will never beg for him to come back. I want him gone now. George Bush is still my President.

You and the three people who agree can go drink beers in Cheney's "undisclosed location", shooting pool and bitching about how Obama stole your thunder.

Who? Obama? I will never beg for him to come back. I want him gone now. George Bush is still my President.

I guess it sucks to be you then...

Who? Obama? I will never beg for him to come back. I want him gone now. George Bush is still my President.

Bob Dole is my President... The media lies, Bob Dole won in '96!

BOB DOLE!

Who? Obama? I will never beg for him to come back. I want him gone now. George Bush is still my President.

You can travel back in time to January 19th 2009?:eek:

Who? Obama? I will never beg for him to come back. I want him gone now. George Bush is still my President.

Yes, that is totally what DI meant. Obama as Skeletor.

George Bush is still your President, and clearly your mentor of contextual analysis of information.

Do you have this post saved in word format to just copy paste at will?

Yes and no, I add to it now and then like I did now.

You can travel back in time to January 19th 2009?:eek:

Yes. I iz magicz.

Trust me. You'll be begging for him to come back a few weeks into the term of President Skeletor.

I can't believe I have to keep saying this, but Skeletor is for a better Eternia.

Credit for the germ of this realization comes from a friend named Frank who asked, "Eternia is a shit hole, why is Skeletor so adamant about taking it over?"

He has a point, think back to the old He-Man cartoons-the land is barren, craggy, under-developed. Farms and population is largely sparse. And yet, what does 'Prince' Adam spend his time on? I mean, when not acting like a moron to reassure those around him? War. Look at those around him, Man at Arms (and the nepotistic appointment of his daughter), Ram-Man. War mongers all. And Man-e-Faces? I wouldn't be surprised if he is used as a kind of press secretary. And who is He-Man loyal to? Eternia or Grayskull and its secretive 'Sorceress'?

Does He-Man work to build infrastructure? Irrigation, aqueducts, bridges? No. He build Dragon Walkers.

Is that helping Eternia's farmers get their product to market? No, it's helping Eternia's playboy whip around the land in possibly the most destructive way possible.

But what of Skeletor? Surely all of these ridiculous excesses are forgivable in the light of such a threat? Right?

I submit that we've been lied to. Look at the people Skeletor surrounds himself with-Beast Man, Mer-Man, Moss-Man...this is an environmentalist cabinet if there ever was one. These are people connected to nature in a way that He-Man all but ignores. Hell, Skeletor even makes his home in the swamp to be close to the only growth that Eternia has.

It's clear-we've been lied to. The He-Man cartoons were nothing more than He-Man propaganda to support the corrupt and war mongering He-Man regime. Take a look at this last half of an episode from the 'new' series- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GQL2Ljdry8&eurl=http://thesandwichmachine.blogspot.com/2008/06/skeletor-for-better-eternia.html)

What's the moral at the end, "Well always need He-Man." Adam 'foolishly' decides that maybe Eternia should break its dependence on Grayskull, perhaps even try a little diplomacy. That leads only to him having to be rescued by his war buddies.

Even worse, the power of organization and co-operation that Skeletor proposes is personified in terms of war (using the slogan 'behold the Power of One' from the US Army) and characterized as a massive skeleton demon that has to be defeated by, you guessed it, He-Man. Eternia will always need He-Man because they need him to put down collectivity in Eternia when the masses get together and say, "Give us bridges, not Dragon Walkers!"

It's clear. Skeletor has a better plan for Eternia. He stands for the environment, for the collected masses. He stands against He-Man's military extravagances, and his loyalty to the mysterious 'Sorceress'. Don't believe the lies fed to us by the He-Man propaganda machine through those deceptive cartoons! Viva Skeletor! Viva la Revolution!

Brought to you be the Friends of Skeletor or a Better Eternia, "Build Bridges, Not Dragon Walkers."

Change we can all believe in huh, what a big lie Obama told. Since the fact is change you can believe in means alot of different things to many persons., The President who will never lie to you, how honest of President Obama.

Your complaint, now... is that Obama has made at least one claim he can satisfy?

What a bastard!

It's clear. Skeletor has a better plan for Eternia. He stands for the environment, for the collected masses. He stands against He-Man's military extravagances, and his loyalty to the mysterious 'Sorceress'. Don't believe the lies fed to us by the He-Man propaganda machine through those deceptive cartoons! Viva Skeletor! Viva la Revolution!


Wow. This is brilliant news. I can finally stop building that secret underground bunker to hide in for when he comes to power. Now what I can use all these redundant bricks for? Aha! Throw them at the white house...oh no, wait, a nice man lives there now :(

*snip*

Jesus Christ!

The amount of nerdieness in that post almost caused my head to asplode!

Jesus Christ!

The amount of nerdieness in that post almost caused my head to asplode!

Your not getting my lunch money.

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Before you use all that energy being outraged, though, don't worry. The clock won't last. It will be taken down in the spirit of "unity", "anti-divisiveness", "hope", "good will", and "teamwork" as we try to smother the next great depression and any chance at free trade and capitalism in a gigantic pile of extorted (via taxes) and borrowed (via China), mass printed money. Don't be glum though, it is your proud patriotic duty to participate in the permanent expansion of government while graciously "sacrificing" via Oval Office instructions.

Now get your head right and remember your duty to maintain your audacity of hope in Uncle Obama and his plan to save you from circumstances you could never overcome on your own, without him and the "new" government deal, or new deal government or whatever they end up calling it. After all it isn't about right and wrong or your narrow interpretation of some value system, it is about all of us coming together towards the center (which is actually to the left because you are starting out so far to the right, it's science, don't worry about it I will tell you when to stop) and being inclusive.

I don't think I've fallen on my head enough for that post to make sense to me...

Explain?

The website you linked to is a bit... well, boring, isn't it? Whoever made it has had since November the 4th of certainty... and a lot longer than that to speculate. And all they came up with was that?

And it doesn't have a dual counter for a possible second term (not THAT unlikely, if even Bush could get two).

A bit lame really.

Who? Obama? I will never beg for him to come back. I want him gone now. George Bush is still my President.
awww sucks to be you, eh?

bush can never come back.

YAY!

I don't think I've fallen on my head enough for that post to make sense to me...

Explain?

The website you linked to is a bit... well, boring, isn't it? Whoever made it has had since November the 4th of certainty... and a lot longer than that to speculate. And all they came up with was that?

And it doesn't have a dual counter for a possible second term (not THAT unlikely, if even Bush could get two).

A bit lame really.
There was a version of this website for Bush, though I suspect it's finished counting by now.

It was probably made as a counter to that.

awww sucks to be you, eh?

bush can never come back.

YAY!

Jeb Bush 2016.

There was a version of this website for Bush, though I suspect it's finished counting by now.

It was probably made as a counter to that.

Its a little whiny to make this moments after he is sworn in. At least with Bush we have ample reason to want him gone.

There was a version of this website for Bush, though I suspect it's finished counting by now.

It was probably made as a counter to that.

Which, given Bush's 8 year reign of terror, at least four of which made it absolutely clear that SOMEONE in a 'not-the-Republicans' party was going to be President come 2008/9...

...makes it pretty inexcusable that the best they could do was that sorry effort.

Jeb Bush 2016.

That wont happen. After Dubya, another Bush will never win a federal office ever again.

lol.

but jeb is not his brother. he would never be the pathetic failure that george has been.

Jeb Bush 2016.

If we're going to elect based on name recognition, there are still Clintons and even Kennedys eligible.

My new favorite flavor:

http://www.stclaires.com/images/GFCF-Grape-Tarts.jpg

If we're going to elect based on name recognition, there are still Clintons and even Kennedys eligible.

Yeah, it got one of them a Senate seat, even.

My new favorite flavor:

http://www.stclaires.com/images/GFCF-Grape-Tarts.jpg

lol what?

lol what?
Just my reaction to the whole phenomenon of weeping rightwingers. It's like candy to me.

When Bush got elected the first time, I was not pleased, but I didn't go around shouting that he would destroy the country and that everyone who voted for him would be sorry, nyah-nyah. Why not? Because in 2000, I didn't know how bad a president he would be. I gave him his chance to surprise me pleasantly.

And when he got elected the second time, I was really pissed off, because I had had a chance to see how bad a president he was, but I didn't go around posting countdown clocks and whatnot.

This kind of acting out amuses me.

Just my reaction to the whole phenomenon of weeping rightwingers. It's like candy to me.

When Bush got elected the first time, I was not pleased, but I didn't go around shouting that he would destroy the country and that everyone who voted for him would be sorry, nyah-nyah. Why not? Because in 2000, I didn't know how bad a president he would be. I gave him his chance to surprise me pleasantly.

And when he got elected the second time, I was really pissed off, because I had had a chance to see how bad a president he was, but I didn't go around posting countdown clocks and whatnot.

This kind of acting out amuses me.



Its amusing that the "true patriots" only love America when their guy is in charge.

It's threads like this that give me hope in Obama.

His meaningless nonsense about unity and non-partisanship aside, the fact that he pisses off people like the OP means that he actually stands for something.

the clock is fast by 1462 days. :p

My new favorite flavor:

http://www.stclaires.com/images/GFCF-Grape-Tarts.jpg

shouldn't that say "Naturally sour candy"? :confused:

so what happens when obama wins again?
That's why alarms have snooze buttons.

Change we can all believe in huh, what a big lie Obama told. Since the fact is change you can believe in means alot of different things to many persons., The President who will never lie to you, how honest of President Obama.

Yeah! I mean, look at all the totally non changing things he's done in the time he's been president.

I mean...he was sworn in, just like every other president. And he did it in Washington, how typical! And with a chief justice of the supreme court doing it! Seen that one before.

Oh, and after his swearing in, how he was all "I'm going to give a speech!" Yeah, that's really breaking the mold Obama. :rolleyes:

And see how he hugged his wife? Yeah, like Bush and Clinton and Bush and Regan and all the other presidents with wives didn't do that. In fact, having a wife, so NOT change at all!

And see how drove away, in a car? He promised change! Driving in a car isn't change!

In his ENTIRE time in office I haven't seen him do ONE thing differently. No swearing ceremony conducted in iambic pentameter. No trained gorillas. No taking the podium in a cape and leopard print thongs while reciting the lyrics to "I like big butts and I can not lie"

WHERE'S THE CHANGE OBAMA? HUH? WHERE'S THE CHANGE?

Out of curiosity, is the title of this thread getting Bananaphone stuck in anyone else's head? Tick tick tick tick tick tick tick, Obama clock! :p

Out of curiosity, is the title of this thread getting Bananaphone stuck in anyone else's head? Tick tick tick tick tick tick tick, Obama clock! :p

It is, now!

awww sucks to be you, eh?

bush can never come back.

YAY!
He could come back......as a Vice President!! :eek2:

He could come back......as a Vice President!! :eek2:

Nah, to be VP you have to be eligible to be P.

He could come back......as a Vice President!! :eek2:

No, he can't.

He's served two full terms, that exempts him from running as VP, which would require him to be eligible to fulfill ALL the offices of President, should the need arise.

Unless term-limits get changed, that's it for Dubya.

He could come back......as a Vice President!! :eek2:
not even sarah palin is so clueless as to try that.

It is, now!

You're welcome! :p

He could come back......as a Vice President!! :eek2:

The 22nd amendment states bars Bush from ever being President again. the 12th amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Since Bush is constitutionally ineligible from serving as President, he is likewise unable to serve as Vice President.

No, he can't.

He's served two full terms, that exempts him from running as VP, which would require him to be eligible to fulfill ALL the offices of President, should the need arise.

Unless term-limits get changed, that's it for Dubya.
Ummm I was told before when I asked a similar question, that an ex President indeed could be a VP.

This following article seems to support that proposition, in a round about way:

Could Bill Clinton be vice president (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23254868/page/2/)?

I can't believe I have to keep saying this, but Skeletor is for a better Eternia.

Credit for the germ of this realization comes from a friend named Frank who asked, "Eternia is a shit hole, why is Skeletor so adamant about taking it over?"

He has a point, think back to the old He-Man cartoons-the land is barren, craggy, under-developed. Farms and population is largely sparse. And yet, what does 'Prince' Adam spend his time on? I mean, when not acting like a moron to reassure those around him? War. Look at those around him, Man at Arms (and the nepotistic appointment of his daughter), Ram-Man. War mongers all. And Man-e-Faces? I wouldn't be surprised if he is used as a kind of press secretary. And who is He-Man loyal to? Eternia or Grayskull and its secretive 'Sorceress'?

Does He-Man work to build infrastructure? Irrigation, aqueducts, bridges? No. He build Dragon Walkers.

Is that helping Eternia's farmers get their product to market? No, it's helping Eternia's playboy whip around the land in possibly the most destructive way possible.

But what of Skeletor? Surely all of these ridiculous excesses are forgivable in the light of such a threat? Right?

I submit that we've been lied to. Look at the people Skeletor surrounds himself with-Beast Man, Mer-Man, Moss-Man...this is an environmentalist cabinet if there ever was one. These are people connected to nature in a way that He-Man all but ignores. Hell, Skeletor even makes his home in the swamp to be close to the only growth that Eternia has.

It's clear-we've been lied to. The He-Man cartoons were nothing more than He-Man propaganda to support the corrupt and war mongering He-Man regime. Take a look at this last half of an episode from the 'new' series- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GQL2Ljdry8&eurl=http://thesandwichmachine.blogspot.com/2008/06/skeletor-for-better-eternia.html)

What's the moral at the end, "Well always need He-Man." Adam 'foolishly' decides that maybe Eternia should break its dependence on Grayskull, perhaps even try a little diplomacy. That leads only to him having to be rescued by his war buddies.

Even worse, the power of organization and co-operation that Skeletor proposes is personified in terms of war (using the slogan 'behold the Power of One' from the US Army) and characterized as a massive skeleton demon that has to be defeated by, you guessed it, He-Man. Eternia will always need He-Man because they need him to put down collectivity in Eternia when the masses get together and say, "Give us bridges, not Dragon Walkers!"

It's clear. Skeletor has a better plan for Eternia. He stands for the environment, for the collected masses. He stands against He-Man's military extravagances, and his loyalty to the mysterious 'Sorceress'. Don't believe the lies fed to us by the He-Man propaganda machine through those deceptive cartoons! Viva Skeletor! Viva la Revolution!

Brought to you be the Friends of Skeletor or a Better Eternia, "Build Bridges, Not Dragon Walkers."

*gives you tacos* :)

Who? Obama? I will never beg for him to come back. I want him gone now. George Bush is still my President.

One evidence of how Bushevism is not dead.

Ummm I was told before when I asked a similar question, that an ex President indeed could be a VP.

This following article seems to support that proposition, in a round about way:

Could Bill Clinton be vice president (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23254868/page/2/)?

They're wrong.

Admittedly, they largely focused on other details - but they missed the key one that exempts him - the 22nd.

(There IS a loophole, but Dubya and SLick Willy have both already served too long. Theoretically, if you had a VP candidate that constantly served just under HALF of presidential terms, due to the death of a president, you could theoretically serve more than 8 years.)

Its amusing that the "true patriots" only love America when their guy is in charge.

Fort Sumter!! Fort Sumter!!

They're wrong.

Admittedly, they largely focused on other details - but they missed the key one that exempts him - the 22nd.

(There IS a loophole, but Dubya and SLick Willy have both already served too long. Theoretically, if you had a VP candidate that constantly served just under HALF of presidential terms, due to the death of a president, you could theoretically serve more than 8 years.)
FactChecks' take on the situation:

Could former President Bill Clinton be vice president?

Probably not, but it's an untested constitutional conundrum (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/could_former_president_bill_clinton_be_vice.html).

BTW, for clarification......I am not supporting any kind of Bush here.

Just my reaction to the whole phenomenon of weeping rightwingers. It's like candy to me.

When Bush got elected the first time, I was not pleased, but I didn't go around shouting that he would destroy the country and that everyone who voted for him would be sorry, nyah-nyah. Why not? Because in 2000, I didn't know how bad a president he would be. I gave him his chance to surprise me pleasantly.

And when he got elected the second time, I was really pissed off, because I had had a chance to see how bad a president he was, but I didn't go around posting countdown clocks and whatnot.

This kind of acting out amuses me.

Here's the thing. I've noticed some noise on the right wing about things like this, the idea of "well liberals counted the days, and blamed things on Bush, now it's OUR TURN".

Yes, we did. Yes, we blamed things on Bush. Yes, we counted the days until he was out on his ass. Yes, all of that is true. But we had our reasons.

September 11th demonstrated a complete failure of the intelligence community to do its job. In the months and years afterwards, it's become patently obvious that during the first months of the Bush presidency, there was a total failure of the intelligence communities to speak with each other. And while there is evidence that this circumstance extended back before Bush took office, as the saying goes, the buck stopped with him. The fact that problems might have existed when he got there does not excuse his failure to rectify them.

Moreover, the whole nonsense regarding the Nigerian Yellow Cake, the "mobile WMD factories", and the outting of Valerie Plame demonstrate that Bush did absolutely nothing to correct these faults. Rather than treat our intelligence agencies as organizations of unbiased intel, he used them in order to filter out information that did not serve to accomplish his goals, and used biased, subjective, and utterly unreliable information, information it now appears was known by the White House to be unreliable, to justify a war. Information that has now been demonstrably proven to have been false.

His "mission accomplished" speech demonstrated a profound ignorance as to the actual conditions on the ground, and a total unwillingness to recognize that this war would involve more than simply ousting Sadam Hussein, and watch Iraq magically spring into a stable democracy. It demonstrated that we were, as a nation, as a military, utterly unprepared for what was to come. Likewise, it has been revealed, that every single voice that attempted to tell the administration what was actually going to occur, was either discredited, insulted, or removed from their office. Every single attempt that was made to either derail the efforts for war, or demonstrate that the situation would be harder than we as a people were told, was specifically, forcibly, silenced.

His efforts to cut funding for legitimate areas of research, as well as his monstrously disastrous "no child left behind" has done manifest harm to America's position as an educated and technologically advanced nation, while his support of demonstrably worthless abstience only programs (literally worthless, studies have shown that, at best they accomplish nothing and, at worst, actually increase rates of teen pregnancy and STD infection) demonstrate that he has been less concerned with actually fixing legitimate problems, and more concerned with pushing his own moralistic agenda.

He has shown that he was willing to treat such fundamentally important institutions as the Supreme Court of the United States and the Federal Emergency Management Agency as bastions of political cronyism. The pardoning of Libby, the firing of the US attorneys, and the attempts to place Michael Brown and Harriet Miers into positions of extreme power and importance, positions that they were vastly unqualified for, demonstrate a complete disrespect for the fundamental importance of our justice system and, worst of all, total and utter disregard for the health, safety and lives of American citizens, and a willingness to promote favoritism and party politics over people's lives, and the fundamentals of our justice system.

Moreover, his recent press conference, in which he deflected criticisms about his handling of Katrina, suggests that he believes that America is mad because he personally didn't visit the disaster area earlier. Not only has he refused to apologize for his own failures, failures that directly manifested in the preventable death of hundreds of people, he refuses to even recognize them as failures.

His willingness to engage and authorize activities that we as a people had already legally defined as crimes against humanity, and the attempts to circumvent, and force out, individuals in his administration that he appointed who spoke out against it, shows a profound disregard for the sanctity of basic human liberties. Rights that he, as president, swore to uphold.

Many presidents have good areas and bad. Sometimes they make mistakes. Sometimes events happen beyond their control. But rare it is that we have a president where we can conclusively say that we, as a people, as a nation, are demonstrably worse off as a direct consequence of his presidency. Bush was one of those presidents. Yes, we counted the days. Yes, we said he would be a bad president.

And he turned out to be one of the worst in our history.

So yeah, us liberals did that. And if you wish, sure, feel free to do the same with Obama. And when we point out that you're full of it, you can point out how you said the same thing when we did it to Bush. But the unmistakable, inescapable fact should not elude you.

We were right.

FactChecks' take on the situation:

Could former President Bill Clinton be vice president?

Probably not, but it's an untested constitutional conundrum (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/could_former_president_bill_clinton_be_vice.html).

BTW, for clarification......I am not supporting any kind of Bush here.

Oh, well then, I can take the word of a lawyer, or you. And youve been so reliable in the past...

Here's the thing. I've noticed some noise on the right wing about things like this, the idea of "well liberals counted the days, and blamed things on Bush, now it's OUR TURN".

Yes, we did. Yes, we blamed things on Bush. Yes, we counted the days until he was out on his ass. Yes, all of that is true. But we had our reasons.

September 11th demonstrated a complete failure of the intelligence community to do its job. In the months and years afterwards, it's become patently obvious that during the first months of the Bush presidency, there was a total failure of the intelligence communities to speak with each other. And while there is evidence that this circumstance extended back before Bush took office, as the saying goes, the buck stopped with him. The fact that problems might have existed when he got there does not excuse his failure to rectify them.

Moreover, the whole nonsense regarding the Nigerian Yellow Cake, the "mobile WMD factories", and the outting of Valerie Plame demonstrate that Bush did absolutely nothing to correct these faults. Rather than treat our intelligence agencies as organizations of unbiased intel, he used them in order to filter out information that did not serve to accomplish his goals, and used biased, subjective, and utterly unreliable information, information it now appears was known by the White House to be unreliable, to justify a war. Information that has now been demonstrably proven to have been false.

His "mission accomplished" speech demonstrated a profound ignorance as to the actual conditions on the ground, and a total unwillingness to recognize that this war would involve more than simply ousting Sadam Hussein, and watch Iraq magically spring into a stable democracy. It demonstrated that we were, as a nation, as a military, utterly unprepared for what was to come. Likewise, it has been revealed, that every single voice that attempted to tell the administration what was actually going to occur, was either discredited, insulted, or removed from their office. Every single attempt that was made to either derail the efforts for war, or demonstrate that the situation would be harder than we as a people were told, was specifically, forcibly, silenced.

His efforts to cut funding for legitimate areas of research, as well as his monstrously disastrous "no child left behind" has done manifest harm to America's position as an educated and technologically advanced nation, while his support of demonstrably worthless abstience only programs (literally worthless, studies have shown that, at best they accomplish nothing and, at worst, actually increase rates of teen pregnancy and STD infection) demonstrate that he has been less concerned with actually fixing legitimate problems, and more concerned with pushing his own moralistic agenda.

He has shown that he was willing to treat such fundamentally important institutions as the Supreme Court of the United States and the Federal Emergency Management Agency as bastions of political cronyism. The pardoning of Libby, the firing of the US attorneys, and the attempts to place Michael Brown and Harriet Miers into positions of extreme power and importance, positions that they were vastly unqualified for, demonstrate a complete disrespect for the fundamental importance of our justice system and, worst of all, total and utter disregard for the health, safety and lives of American citizens, and a willingness to promote favoritism and party politics over people's lives, and the fundamentals of our justice system.

Moreover, his recent press conference, in which he deflected criticisms about his handling of Katrina, suggests that he believes that America is mad because he personally didn't visit the disaster area earlier. Not only has he refused to apologize for his own failures, failures that directly manifested in the preventable death of hundreds of people, he refuses to even recognize them as failures.

His willingness to engage and authorize activities that we as a people had already legally defined as crimes against humanity, and the attempts to circumvent, and force out, individuals in his administration that he appointed who spoke out against it, shows a profound disregard for the sanctity of basic human liberties. Rights that he, as president, swore to uphold.

Many presidents have good areas and bad. Sometimes they make mistakes. Sometimes events happen beyond their control. But rare it is that we have a president where we can conclusively say that we, as a people, as a nation, are demonstrably worse off as a direct consequence of his presidency. Bush was one of those presidents. Yes, we counted the days. Yes, we said he would be a bad president.

And he turned out to be one of the worst in our history.

So yeah, us liberals did that. And if you wish, sure, feel free to do the same with Obama. And when we point out that you're full of it, you can point out how you said the same thing when we did it to Bush. But the unmistakable, inescapable fact should not elude you.

We were right.

Amen.

Moreover, his recent press conference, in which he deflected criticisms about his handling of Katrina, suggests that he believes that America is mad because he personally didn't visit the disaster area earlier. Not only has he refused to apologize for his own failures, failures that directly manifested in the preventable death of hundreds of people, he refuses to even recognize them as failures.


Whats the Jon Stewart bit? "Thats like your wife catching you nailing her sister, and you think shes mad at you for not telling her you were coming home early" or something like that.

EDIT: Oh, as to the rest...ebil libruhl, fort sumter, why do you hate freedom, familiarize yourself with the eminent Russian-Americn philosopher Ayn Rand, and all that.

Oh, well then, I can take the word of a lawyer, or you. And youve been so reliable in the past...
If you don't want to debate then just don't push that post button. :D

Amen.
Ditto.

And I'll say it again, just because three times is the charm, we waited for him to actually commit all those failings, errors, and betrayals before we blamed him for them.

If you don't want to debate then just don't push that post button. :D

Debate what? We have the words of fact check vs the words of the Consitution and lawyers. Thats not a debate.

Here's the thing. I've noticed some noise on the right wing about things like this, the idea of "well liberals counted the days, and blamed things on Bush, now it's OUR TURN".

Yes, we did. Yes, we blamed things on Bush. Yes, we counted the days until he was out on his ass. Yes, all of that is true. But we had our reasons.

September 11th demonstrated a complete failure of the intelligence community to do its job. In the months and years afterwards, it's become patently obvious that during the first months of the Bush presidency, there was a total failure of the intelligence communities to speak with each other. And while there is evidence that this circumstance extended back before Bush took office, as the saying goes, the buck stopped with him. The fact that problems might have existed when he got there does not excuse his failure to rectify them.

Moreover, the whole nonsense regarding the Nigerian Yellow Cake, the "mobile WMD factories", and the outting of Valerie Plame demonstrate that Bush did absolutely nothing to correct these faults. Rather than treat our intelligence agencies as organizations of unbiased intel, he used them in order to filter out information that did not serve to accomplish his goals, and used biased, subjective, and utterly unreliable information, information it now appears was known by the White House to be unreliable, to justify a war. Information that has now been demonstrably proven to have been false.

His "mission accomplished" speech demonstrated a profound ignorance as to the actual conditions on the ground, and a total unwillingness to recognize that this war would involve more than simply ousting Sadam Hussein, and watch Iraq magically spring into a stable democracy. It demonstrated that we were, as a nation, as a military, utterly unprepared for what was to come. Likewise, it has been revealed, that every single voice that attempted to tell the administration what was actually going to occur, was either discredited, insulted, or removed from their office. Every single attempt that was made to either derail the efforts for war, or demonstrate that the situation would be harder than we as a people were told, was specifically, forcibly, silenced.

His efforts to cut funding for legitimate areas of research, as well as his monstrously disastrous "no child left behind" has done manifest harm to America's position as an educated and technologically advanced nation, while his support of demonstrably worthless abstience only programs (literally worthless, studies have shown that, at best they accomplish nothing and, at worst, actually increase rates of teen pregnancy and STD infection) demonstrate that he has been less concerned with actually fixing legitimate problems, and more concerned with pushing his own moralistic agenda.

He has shown that he was willing to treat such fundamentally important institutions as the Supreme Court of the United States and the Federal Emergency Management Agency as bastions of political cronyism. The pardoning of Libby, the firing of the US attorneys, and the attempts to place Michael Brown and Harriet Miers into positions of extreme power and importance, positions that they were vastly unqualified for, demonstrate a complete disrespect for the fundamental importance of our justice system and, worst of all, total and utter disregard for the health, safety and lives of American citizens, and a willingness to promote favoritism and party politics over people's lives, and the fundamentals of our justice system.

Moreover, his recent press conference, in which he deflected criticisms about his handling of Katrina, suggests that he believes that America is mad because he personally didn't visit the disaster area earlier. Not only has he refused to apologize for his own failures, failures that directly manifested in the preventable death of hundreds of people, he refuses to even recognize them as failures.

His willingness to engage and authorize activities that we as a people had already legally defined as crimes against humanity, and the attempts to circumvent, and force out, individuals in his administration that he appointed who spoke out against it, shows a profound disregard for the sanctity of basic human liberties. Rights that he, as president, swore to uphold.

Many presidents have good areas and bad. Sometimes they make mistakes. Sometimes events happen beyond their control. But rare it is that we have a president where we can conclusively say that we, as a people, as a nation, are demonstrably worse off as a direct consequence of his presidency. Bush was one of those presidents. Yes, we counted the days. Yes, we said he would be a bad president.

And he turned out to be one of the worst in our history.

So yeah, us liberals did that. And if you wish, sure, feel free to do the same with Obama. And when we point out that you're full of it, you can point out how you said the same thing when we did it to Bush. But the unmistakable, inescapable fact should not elude you.

We were right.

More to the point, he HAD our approval. Maybe there were still some people raw of the way he won in 2000, but after september 11th, his approval rate was through the roof. We were fuckin' behind him in our time of crisis. Now we're in a time of crisis again and people are pulling this countdown clock shit? Wow. That's pretty messed up. Bunch of unpatriotic bastards. Maybe they ought to move to Canada. :p

FactChecks' take on the situation:

Could former President Bill Clinton be vice president?

Probably not, but it's an untested constitutional conundrum (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/could_former_president_bill_clinton_be_vice.html).

BTW, for clarification......I am not supporting any kind of Bush here.

pointless nitpicking over the technical wording of "well, the 22nd amendment says nobody can be ELECTED to president more than twice, but if we take Bush (or Clinton) and make him VP, and the President steps down/dies, he would then be APPOINTED president, so the 22nd amendment doesn't apply!"

The purpose and intent of the 22nd amendment is clear, to enforce term limits. even though the wording says "elected to the office" not "sworn in as president", nobody seriously contends that such a back door to the office would fly in front of any court.

If it did, all any highly popular president would have to do to circumvent it would be to find some joe schmoe to run for president under the promise that, if elected, would immediately resign, and get in highly popular president again.

While it's a fun little thought experiment, by all sensible interpretation, two term presidents are barred from being vice president.

And see how drove away, in a car? He promised change! Driving in a car isn't change!
He should have used a pogo stick, or a spaceball. That would have been ubercool.

He should have used a pogo stick, or a spaceball. That would have been ubercool.

Why not a combination of both? A hoppy ball!

snip.
So, feeling the need to pointless nitpick, does this mean ex-2-term-presidents can also not be Speaker?
Indeed does it mean they can no longer hold any form office which might, in some convoluted and highly unlikely yet possible way, end up with them being made president once more?

Here's the thing. I've noticed some noise on the right wing about things like this, the idea of "well liberals counted the days, and blamed things on Bush, now it's OUR TURN".

Yes, we did. Yes, we blamed things on Bush. Yes, we counted the days until he was out on his ass. Yes, all of that is true. But we had our reasons.


Like to add one more thing to your mighty fine rant: The Liberals counting down the days to the end of Bush's reign did so after he started screwing up, not before. They at least had the decency to give him a chance to prove himself.

So, feeling the need to pointless nitpick, does this mean ex-2-term-presidents can also not be Speaker?
Indeed does it mean they can no longer hold any form office which might, in some convoluted and highly unlikely yet possible way, end up with them being made president once more?

no, it doesn't, mainly because the constitution sets no limitations on who can be speaker. The constitution does not say "nboody who is ineligible for the office of the President can be in the line of succession". That's not there anywhere.

However the 12th amendment SPECIFICALLY states that nobody who is ineligible to be president can be vice president. It's specific to the office of vice president.

However the 22nd amendment SPECIFICALLY states that nobody who is ineligible to be president can be vice president. It's specific to the office of vice president.

<---- The winner.


;)

pointless nitpicking over the technical wording of "well, the 22nd amendment says nobody can be ELECTED to president more than twice, but if we take Bush (or Clinton) and make him VP, and the President steps down/dies, he would then be APPOINTED president, so the 22nd amendment doesn't apply!"

The purpose and intent of the 22nd amendment is clear, to enforce term limits. even though the wording says "elected to the office" not "sworn in as president", nobody seriously contends that such a back door to the office would fly in front of any court.

If it did, all any highly popular president would have to do to circumvent it would be to find some joe schmoe to run for president under the promise that, if elected, would immediately resign, and get in highly popular president again.

While it's a fun little thought experiment, by all sensible interpretation, two term presidents are barred from being vice president.

Given that a justice openly said that torture doesn't count as cruel and unusual punishment basing it on wordplay, I'm not as confident as you are.

<---- The winner.


;)

no :p

The 12th amendment sets for the qualifications of vice president. It states "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

The 22nd amendment states "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term"

the 12th amendment states that nobody who is ineligible for president can be vice president. The 22nd amendment further restricts the eligibility requirements for president.

Don't try to outlawyer me, bitch :p

no :p

The 12th amendment sets for the qualifications of vice president. It states "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

The 22nd amendment states "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term"

the 12th amendment states that nobody who is ineligible for president can be vice president. The 22nd amendment further restricts the eligibility requirements for president.

Don't try to outlawyer me, bitch :p

I got pumped and was like I GET TO CORRECT A NEO ART TYPE-O!

*bows* I stil have much to learn, sensi.

Like to add one more thing to your mighty fine rant: The Liberals counting down the days to the end of Bush's reign did so after he started screwing up, not before. They at least had the decency to give him a chance to prove himself.

I'll be honest, I thought he'd be a shit president before the inauguration. I just had no idea how bad, I thought that he'd be bad enough that punk rock would get its teeth back and comedy would get funnier, things like that that happen during regimes that abandon the lower classes.

Wow did I underestimate how bad he would be.

Why not a combination of both? A hoppy ball!
Obama on a pogostick, his security on spaceballs. That would have been sooo awesome.
I can totally envision it now.

Here's the thing. I've noticed some noise on the right wing about things like this, the idea of "well liberals counted the days, and blamed things on Bush, now it's OUR TURN".

Speaking as an Objectivist, it IS our turn to blame the president. That's how blame works, you say a bad thing about the other guy when he wins. Otherwise, it devolves into nothing more than a means of voicing sound critiques of public figures.


Yes, we did. Yes, we blamed things on Bush. Yes, we counted the days until he was out on his ass. Yes, all of that is true. But we had our reasons.

Yes, but you mostly blamed Bush for things he actually did, or failed to do. We had the initiative to blame Obama for being an awful President before he was elected. Efficiency like that is what this country needs.


September 11th demonstrated a complete failure of the intelligence community to do its job. In the months and years afterwards, it's become patently obvious that during the first months of the Bush presidency, there was a total failure of the intelligence communities to speak with each other. And while there is evidence that this circumstance extended back before Bush took office, as the saying goes, the buck stopped with him. The fact that problems might have existed when he got there does not excuse his failure to rectify them.

It does so. A president must never be blamed for problems that existed before he got there. Except Obama's utter failure to fix the economy.


Moreover, the whole nonsense regarding the Nigerian Yellow Cake, the "mobile WMD factories", and the outting of Valerie Plame demonstrate that Bush did absolutely nothing to correct these faults. Rather than treat our intelligence agencies as organizations of unbiased intel, he used them in order to filter out information that did not serve to accomplish his goals, and used biased, subjective, and utterly unreliable information, information it now appears was known by the White House to be unreliable, to justify a war. Information that has now been demonstrably proven to have been false.

We explained that. It was an unknown unknown. And if the intelligence was so bad, why did the guy responsible get Presidential Medal of Freedom?


His "mission accomplished" speech demonstrated a profound ignorance as to the actual conditions on the ground, and a total unwillingness to recognize that this war would involve more than simply ousting Sadam Hussein, and watch Iraq magically spring into a stable democracy. It demonstrated that we were, as a nation, as a military, utterly unprepared for what was to come. Likewise, it has been revealed, that every single voice that attempted to tell the administration what was actually going to occur, was either discredited, insulted, or removed from their office. Every single attempt that was made to either derail the efforts for war, or demonstrate that the situation would be harder than we as a people were told, was specifically, forcibly, silenced.

You write "Born to Kill" on your helmet and you wear a peace button. What's that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke? You'd better get your head and your ass wired together, or I will take a giant shit on you.
Now answer my question or you'll be standing tall before the man.
The what? The duality of man. The Jungian thing, sir.
Pogue Colonel: Whose side are you on, son? Don't you love your country?
Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?
Son, all I've ever asked of my marines is that they obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.


His efforts to cut funding for legitimate areas of research, as well as his monstrously disastrous "no child left behind" has done manifest harm to America's position as an educated and technologically advanced nation, while his support of demonstrably worthless abstience only programs (literally worthless, studies have shown that, at best they accomplish nothing and, at worst, actually increase rates of teen pregnancy and STD infection) demonstrate that he has been less concerned with actually fixing legitimate problems, and more concerned with pushing his own moralistic agenda.

You're just bitter because Harvard has failed to make Adequate Yearly Progress.


He has shown that he was willing to treat such fundamentally important institutions as the Supreme Court of the United States and the Federal Emergency Management Agency as bastions of political cronyism. The pardoning of Libby, the firing of the US attorneys, and the attempts to place Michael Brown and Harriet Miers into positions of extreme power and importance, positions that they were vastly unqualified for, demonstrate a complete disrespect for the fundamental importance of our justice system and, worst of all, total and utter disregard for the health, safety and lives of American citizens, and a willingness to promote favoritism and party politics over people's lives, and the fundamentals of our justice system.

Oh, yeah? Well, maybe Obama hasn't done all of that, yet, but he hasn't NOT done it yet.

That's right.


Moreover, his recent press conference, in which he deflected criticisms about his handling of Katrina, suggests that he believes that America is mad because he personally didn't visit the disaster area earlier. Not only has he refused to apologize for his own failures, failures that directly manifested in the preventable death of hundreds of people, he refuses to even recognize them as failures.

His willingness to engage and authorize activities that we as a people had already legally defined as crimes against humanity, and the attempts to circumvent, and force out, individuals in his administration that he appointed who spoke out against it, shows a profound disregard for the sanctity of basic human liberties. Rights that he, as president, swore to uphold.

Many presidents have good areas and bad. Sometimes they make mistakes. Sometimes events happen beyond their control. But rare it is that we have a president where we can conclusively say that we, as a people, as a nation, are demonstrably worse off as a direct consequence of his presidency. Bush was one of those presidents. Yes, we counted the days. Yes, we said he would be a bad president.

And he turned out to be one of the worst in our history.

So yeah, us liberals did that. And if you wish, sure, feel free to do the same with Obama. And when we point out that you're full of it, you can point out how you said the same thing when we did it to Bush. But the unmistakable, inescapable fact should not elude you.

We were right.

I can't believe that you, a Jew, are trying so hard to defend a Kenyan Muslim, especially against criticism leveled against things he hasn't actually done or failed to do yet.

The fact is, Obama has been President for some time now, and the economy is bad, Iraq is still bad, our schools still have massive problems...

Why SHOULDN'T we demand the resignation of a man who has failed to solve the country's problems by sitting on a train dining car and working out the Valenzetti equation on a napkin?

I'll be honest, I thought he'd be a shit president before the inauguration. I just had no idea how bad, I thought that he'd be bad enough that punk rock would get its teeth back and comedy would get funnier, things like that that happen during regimes that abandon the lower classes.

Wow did I underestimate how bad he would be.

seriously. Like when we lost that spy plane to china? I thought "hey, at least this is FUNNY!"

Given that a justice openly said that torture doesn't count as cruel and unusual punishment basing it on wordplay, I'm not as confident as you are.

Meh. Solo non-legal comments of one fucker of a Justice who is notorious for bending his interpretations of the Constitution to meet his political ideology does not throw doubt on the collective effect of the 12th and 22nd Amendment.

I got pumped and was like I GET TO CORRECT A NEO ART TYPE-O!


Pssh, he'll give you plenty more opportunities to do that.

Just usually not when it comes to the stuff that really matters. ;)

Understanding fail.

We have no proof that the President is well hung.

I don't want proof of that.:eek:

If you don't want to debate then just don't push that post button. :D

Saying "nuh uh, the Constitution may be clear but the intertubes say otherwise" isn't really debating.

Meh. Solo non-legal comments of one fucker of a Justice who is notorious for bending his interpretations of the Constitution to meet his political ideology does not throw doubt on the collective effect of the 12th and 22nd Amendment.

How is that an unreasonable interpretation?

I mean, torture isn't cruel, a priori. Its just the causation of severe anguish or pain.

Meh. Solo non-legal comments of one fucker of a Justice who is notorious for bending his interpretations of the Constitution to meet his political ideology does not throw doubt on the collective effect of the 12th and 22nd Amendment.

Oh, I'm not arguing he's right. At all. Obviously, the intent is clear. So is the intent of the cruel and unusual punishment bits. One would think neither would be open to question, but given some of the things that have been called into question in regards to the Constitution in the last eight, I don't have the faith you or NA do.

I certainly hope the non-legal comments will remain just that. Scalia is a loon.

Who? Obama? I will never beg for him to come back. I want him gone now. George Bush is still my President.

I'm insulted by this. The combination of your statement and your name.

I don't want proof of that.:eek:

You must be the only one. Rowr...

I'll be honest, I thought he'd be a shit president before the inauguration. I just had no idea how bad, I thought that he'd be bad enough that punk rock would get its teeth back and comedy would get funnier, things like that that happen during regimes that abandon the lower classes.

Wow did I underestimate how bad he would be.
Everyone did, did they not? No-one could have foreseen just how dreadful he was going to be.
I think most non-GWB supporters put him in the 'meh' category and figured his presidency would be equivalent to his Dad's. Can anyone remember anything positive or negative politically that came out of those 4 years? Bush snr was a holding pattern for the US between two powerful, society-changing, personalities and I think that's what most figured GWB would be. And he certainly did nothing to dispprove this the first 9 months on the job.

But we certainly did not, even before he was elected, run around joyfully shouting, "he'll be gone in 4 years", start making countdown clocks, start compiling lists of things to blame him for, carefully pick at everything he has said and done and enthusaistically point out any inconsistencies as if proof he's a total disaster for the country. We at least gave him a chance to prove himself. The rabid delusional right-wingers can't even bring themselves to do this with Obama.

Obama on a pogostick, his security on spaceballs. That would have been sooo awesome.
I can totally envision it now.

Done to the lounge version of The Imperial March (http://www.emusic.com/album/Evil-Genius-Orchestra-Coctails-In-The-Cantina-MP3-Download/11323624.html) (you have to find the track and play the sample, best I could do)...awesome.

I certainly hope the non-legal comments will remain just that. Scalia is a loon.

Justice Scalia is not a loon, he's a Reagan appointee.

And Reagan loved Middle Eastern people. Especially Iranians.

Snippity snip snip, reply to neo's post
I'm really warming to you GoAR, I really am. I tip my hat to you, good sir. Well I would do if I were wearing one.

pointless nitpicking over the technical wording of "well, the 22nd amendment says nobody can be ELECTED to president more than twice, but if we take Bush (or Clinton) and make him VP, and the President steps down/dies, he would then be APPOINTED president, so the 22nd amendment doesn't apply!"

The purpose and intent of the 22nd amendment is clear, to enforce term limits. even though the wording says "elected to the office" not "sworn in as president", nobody seriously contends that such a back door to the office would fly in front of any court.

If it did, all any highly popular president would have to do to circumvent it would be to find some joe schmoe to run for president under the promise that, if elected, would immediately resign, and get in highly popular president again.

While it's a fun little thought experiment, by all sensible interpretation, two term presidents are barred from being vice president.
It is funny that you actually contradicted your earlier testimony in an older thread, which is why I question your current position. You can call it nit-picking......I call it asking for clarification:

question? once you have served for 2 terms as president can you serve in any other office(vice,secretary, mayor, governor)

yes.

I don't believe that you can serve as Vice President after two Presidential terms.
So which is it?

It is funny that you actually contradicted your earlier testimony in an older thread, which is why I question your current position. You can call it nit-picking......I call it asking for clarification:






So which is it?

Can you fucking read?? Its in your own post. He said you can serve as other offices. He never said which ones.


He never said that you can be VP. No contradiction. Next!

I'm really warming to you GoAR, I really am. I tip my hat to you, good sir. Well I would do if I were wearing one.

Good, because with Obama in charge, the hat industry is doomed. He's going to cripple it with taxation, environmental regulations, immigrant haberdasherers, and since the Muslims will take over because of him, we're all going to be beheaded, which is the DEATH KNELL for America's hat makers.

Good, because with Obama in charge, the hat industry is doomed. He's going to cripple it with taxation, environmental regulations, immigrant haberdasherers, and since the Muslims will take over because of him, we're all going to be beheaded, which is the DEATH KNELL for America's hat makers.

On the plus side, Burka makers in the US will now see their industry boom.

Everyone did, did they not? No-one could have foreseen just how dreadful he was going to be.
I think most non-GWB supporters put him in the 'meh' category and figured his presidency would be equivalent to his Dad's. Can anyone remember anything positive or negative politically that came out of those 4 years? Bush snr was a holding pattern for the US between two powerful, society-changing, personalities and I think that's what most figured GWB would be. And he certainly did nothing to dispprove this the first 9 months on the job.

But we certainly did not, even before he was elected, run around joyfully shouting, "he'll be gone in 4 years", start making countdown clocks, start compiling lists of things to blame him for, carefully pick at everything he has said and done and enthusaistically point out any inconsistencies as if proof he's a total disaster for the country. We at least gave him a chance to prove himself. The rabid delusional right-wingers can't even bring themselves to do this with Obama.
When Bush won in 2000, I totally expected he would at least try to start a war in Iraq. I held out hope that he would be blocked by Congress. Since I am neither the person who wrote the memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Within the US" nor the person who read it, I had no way to guess that 9/11 would happen, or that the Congress would react by pulling down the nation's pants and bending the nation over for Bush, Cheney, and the neocons. I expected sabre rattling and unauthorized bombing runs over Iraq. I had no expectation whatsoever that any US president would do to the law and legal system what he did, or any of the other outrageous things he did.

In 2000, I was willing to just suffer through what I expected to be a less than great administration. After 2001, I did count the days and minutes that I would have to put up with him.

But like you, I did not blame him for things he hadn't done yet, because, really, who could have guessed?

Saying "nuh uh, the Constitution may be clear but the intertubes say otherwise" isn't really debating.
Obviously I was seeking clarification on a point of interest. what is even more obvious is that you and KOL would prefer to attack the poster rather than provide relevant insight/input to the question at hand?

Obviously I was seeking clarification on a point of interest. what is even more obvious is that you and KOL would prefer to attack the poster rather than provide relevant insight/input to the question at hand?

I havent even started attacking you yet. And TCT is being far nicer then I am.

Good, because with Obama in charge, the hat industry is doomed. He's going to cripple it with taxation, environmental regulations, immigrant haberdasherers, and since the Muslims will take over because of him, we're all going to be beheaded, which is the DEATH KNELL for America's hat makers.
Thanks for the tip. I'd best start stocking up on hats then. I've always had a penchant towards trilbys, ever since watching the Avengers as a kid (the supercool 1960's version, not the naff 70s one).
Remember, "If you want to get ahead, get a hat!"

I havent even started attacking you yet. And TCT is being far nicer then I am.

Do hush, you. As has been explained, by choosing Obama over Hillary, the Democrats virtually ASSURED that McCain would be elected, and he was.

And vice == vice president, always. There are no other "vice" roles in any level of government.

Do hush, you. As has been explained, by choosing Obama over Hillary, the Democrats virtually ASSURED that McCain would be elected, and he was.

And vice == vice president, always. There are no other "vice" roles in any level of government.

lulz

Obviously I was seeking clarification on a point of interest. what is even more obvious is that you and KOL would prefer to attack the poster rather than provide relevant insight/input to the question at hand?

All the relevent insight has been given you. What exactly are you claiming they missed?

Obviously I was seeking clarification on a point of interest. what is even more obvious is that you and KOL would prefer to attack the poster rather than provide relevant insight/input to the question at hand?

Um.

1. My post very clearly attacked your post and not the poster.

2. The relevant insight/input has already been provided. Copiously. You just won't acknowledge the truth.

How is that an unreasonable interpretation?

I mean, torture isn't cruel, a priori. Its just the causation of severe anguish or pain.
as i understand from watching his 60 minutes interview the problem isnt that torture isnt cruel, its that its not punishment.

if we were to sentence a terrorist to be waterboarded as punishment for his crimes, that would be illegal.

thats not what we do. we torture to gain information. therefore it doesnt come under the "cruel and unusual punishment" rules.

as i understand from watching his 60 minutes interview the problem isnt that torture isnt cruel, its that its not punishment.

if we were to sentence a terrorist to be waterboarded as punishment for his crimes, that would be illegal.

thats not what we do. we torture to gain information. therefore it doesnt come under the "cruel and unusual punishment" rules.

yes, that's Scalia's argument. Because torture is used to gain information, and not as a punishment for any crime, it's not "cruel and unusual punishment"

Understanding fail.

We have no proof that the President is well hung.

Unfortunately, I've misplaced the picture. Ah well, I probably wouldn't be allowed to post it anyways.

Who? Obama? I will never beg for him to come back. I want him gone now. George Bush is still my President.

If you hurry, you can probably reach his family compound in Uruguay before his plane lands. Then he can be your President forever.

yes, that's Scalia's argument. Because torture is used to gain information, and not as a punishment for any crime, it's not "cruel and unusual punishment"
*shrug* i guess its a point but there would seem to be other legal reasons to disallow torture.

arent there?

yes, that's Scalia's argument. Because torture is used to gain information, and not as a punishment for any crime, it's not "cruel and unusual punishment"
But surely it's punishment for not telling the CIA what they want to know.
If the CIA tells said terrorist, "If you don't tell us now, we will torture you until you do" that's basically threatening to punish them for not complying with their demands, is it not?

yes, that's Scalia's argument. Because torture is used to gain information, and not as a punishment for any crime, it's not "cruel and unusual punishment"

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That's something Jhahannam would've said. In character.


Jesus Christ.

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That's something Jhahannam would've said. In character.


Jesus Christ.

Scalia is actually a satirical genius.

He just doesnt know it, and apperantly no one has had the courtesy to tell him.

Jeb Bush 2016.
In your dreams.
George's mismanagement of the country has destroyed any chance Jeb had.

In your dreams.
George's mismanagement of the country has destroyed any chance Jeb had.

you hope. You forget just what short memories the average person has.




Also, you forget just what short memories the average person has.

you hope. You forget just what short memories the average person has.




Also, you forget just what short memories the average person has.

Well, you know what they say, the memory is the first thing to go. Followed by the memory.

............


That's something Jhahannam would've said. In character.


Jesus Christ.
Insane how life imitates art, yes?

Insane how life imitates art, yes?
More like terrifying.

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That's something Jhahannam would've said. In character.


Jesus Christ.

It's also something the Onion might have come up with. Some of the things they've satired have more or less come true. Ohhh, I get it.

Now we have the whole of it. Jhahannam is actually a seer, or maybe a world class puppet master, and he works for the Onion.

Just my reaction to the whole phenomenon of weeping rightwingers. It's like candy to me.

When Bush got elected the first time, I was not pleased, but I didn't go around shouting that he would destroy the country and that everyone who voted for him would be sorry, nyah-nyah. Why not? Because in 2000, I didn't know how bad a president he would be. I gave him his chance to surprise me pleasantly.

And when he got elected the second time, I was really pissed off, because I had had a chance to see how bad a president he was, but I didn't go around posting countdown clocks and whatnot.

This kind of acting out amuses me.

THANK YOU. I was looking for the right terminology to express that combination of juvenility and petulance so endemic of the NeoCon right.

Sounds like the OP needs a nap and some graham crackers.

Now we have the whole of it. Jhahannam is actually a seer, or maybe a world class puppet master, and he works for the Onion.

Sadly, no, Jhahannam joined the French Foreign Legion, which was actually much more plausible then him having the talent to work for the Onion.

Sounds like the OP needs a nap and some graham crackers.

I want a nap and graham crackers...:(

I want a nap and graham crackers...:(

*lays out a soft mat for CToaN*

The grahams will be there when you wake up, sweetie. *kisses on forehead*

Sweet dreams.

*lays out a soft mat for CToaN*

The grahams will be there when you wake up, sweetie. *kisses on forehead*

Sweet dreams.

Yay! Sleep! That's where I'm a viking![/Ralph]