NationStates Jolt Archive

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His post 9/11 actions up until he started talking about Iraq were effective at keeping the country strong and getting other nations to support us. He was good at that.

A second thing he did that I agree with was this interview:

Q. "Do we all worship the same God, Christian and Muslim?"
A. "I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty."

Q. "Do Christians and non-Christians and Muslims go to heaven in your mind?"
A. "Yes they do. We have different routes of getting there."

This was a nice slap in the face for the Fundis who elected him. And something I would never expect him to say.

Lasty, he didn't pardon Libby, or any of his adminstration. He left his "Buddies" open to be charged with crimes.

That's all I have at the top of my head.

I like the concept of 'no child left behind'.

I like that he invested in AIDS relief in Africa, even if a lot of it went to a failed policy abstinence-only sex education. I hope President Obama can build on that and implement more comprehensive education ideas so we can combat this horrible disease.

He provided a lot of fodder for comedians world-wide. Does that count?

i liked the way he supported the pretzel industry

I guess Afghanistan needed to happen and I hear he did allot in terms of helping small businesses get set up

Ducking that shoe. Good reflexes for a man his age, and the "wtf?" grin was priceless.

I guess he helped make people vote for Obama instead of Clinton or Maccain(or whoever) because where they were sick of Bush and his Cronnies.

I guess he helped make people vote for Obama instead of Clinton or Maccain(or whoever) because where they were sick of Bush and his Cronnies.

well it remains to be seen if that was a good thing isn't it :p

Afghanistan, and No Child Left Behind. Those are pretty big and important. Also, I don't like it when people get to hard on that man. Not many can handle the stress you could imagine having to handle a nation left in panic and helplessness after the vicious 9/11 attacks.

He quietly stepped out of the spotlight and let everyone focus on Obama on this day.

AIDS funding in Africa and (to a degree) his restructuring of the fractious US Intelligence Community to be more homogeneous.

Oh, and his fantastic handling of the transition on his side.

i support him commuting the sentences of those border guard guys.

i support him commuting the sentences of those border guard guys.

The border guard guys who shot and killed a fleeing and unarmed criminal in "self-defence" and then attempted to cover it up? Mind if I ask why?

Also, I don't like it when people get to hard on that man. Not many can handle the stress you could imagine having to handle a nation left in panic and helplessness after the vicious 9/11 attacks.

I don't like it when people say not to be so hard on him. He was the President of the United States. The leader of an entire nation. The leader of one of the most powerful nations in the world. You can't assume a role like that and then, when the going gets tough, whine about it.

Of course, no one could've known just how bad it could get. But he should've been prepared for damn near anything. I can say that I'd never want to be President because I know I wouldn't be able to handle the responsibility and pressure.

If he couldn't handle it, then he shouldn't have been President. Simple as that.


And I think the best thing he did was provide us all [well, most of us at least] with a mutual target for our anger and hatred. Who will we hate on now?

Aid to Africa

well it remains to be seen if that was a good thing isn't it :p

Yeah, what were we thinking? McCain was the right choice!;)

As for Afghanistan. I disagree with how he handled the invasion afterwards. Perhaps the U.S shouldn't had gone in if they weren't commited. Because Afghanistan is winnable and I hope Obama knows or figures this out.

1. Due to the deepening recession after the dot-com bubble burst, Bush cut taxes. Because he is a nice guy, he agreed to phase them in and provided an expiration date.

2. As the recession continued, he cut taxes again, but this time immediately and without expiration dates.

The border guard guys who shot and killed a fleeing and unarmed criminal in "self-defence" and then attempted to cover it up? Mind if I ask why?

because he wasnt killed and they werent pardonned.

He made fun of himself occasionally, laughed at his own gaffes and slip-ups in speeches, rather than always taking himself too seriously. The trouble with this, of course, was that these slip-ups were a symptom of a much deeper ailment. Namely, being a complete fucking idiot, utterly incompetent and incapable of leadership. Its easy to laugh at the small mistakes, the mess he made of foreign policy, rather less so. What with thousands dying because of them and all that.

CAFTA, Sarbanes-Oxley and the 2001 tax cut.

There has to be at least something he did that everyone would agree with.
He ran out of time!! :D

Yeah, what were we thinking? McCain was the right choice!;)

you say that now but wait till he pushes that big red button!

I disagree with how he handled the invasion afterwards.

how so?

He made fun of himself occasionally, laughed at his own gaffes and slip-ups in speeches, rather than always taking himself too seriously.

can you imagine if he didn't have a sense of humour? *cue internet being shut down*

CAFTA, Sarbanes-Oxley and the 2001 tax cut.
Sarbanes-Oxley was not a good thing.

I like the concept of 'no child left behind'.

:eek:

:eek:

Concept. not how it was actually worded so that people could take advantage of the program.

He lived and kept Cheney from being president proper even if he didn't keep Cheney from fucking things up.

There weren't any new weapons regulations. It's perfect where it is right now.

All I can think of is the war with Afghanistan...

Sarbanes-Oxley was not a good thing.

Some aspects of it were absolutely necessary. While I believe it does put undue burden on many small firms, especially ones considering IPOs, the increased liability for CEOs and CFOs in regards to their financial statements and restrictions on conflicts of interest were sorely needed.

"It's patriotic to buy" (words to that effect). That spin helped usher in a sweet 2 1/2 years of sales for me.

Now I want some Obama speechwriter to find a way to say that without the "(C) Bush, 2001" part being detectable to the average Joe. Also I'll take that without planes and buildings being involved, please.

Maybe he can say, "We all need to do our part to help the economy, BY BUYING LOADS OF CRAP, which will raise demand, thereby causing MORE JOBS to exist!"

And, Obama needs to keep on rolling that spin until I sell enough stuff to retire comfortably. None of this stopping talking about it when the economy looks decent!

After 9/11, he rose to the challenge beautifully - too bad he couldn't continue on that high note (although I doubt many could have).

He's a genuinely nice person (this has nothing to do with his abilities as President).

He was gracious to the Obamas when they visited the White House.

I'm glad he managed to keep his extramarital affairs secret. That would have been all we needed.

His tax cuts.

He made fun of himself occasionally, laughed at his own gaffes and slip-ups in speeches, rather than always taking himself too seriously. The trouble with this, of course, was that these slip-ups were a symptom of a much deeper ailment. Namely, being a complete fucking idiot, utterly incompetent and incapable of leadership. Its easy to laugh at the small mistakes, the mess he made of foreign policy, rather less so. What with thousands dying because of them and all that.
That's easy to say if you're not in his position. I don't like Bush either, but how can you be so sure he's a "complete idiot"? In terms of speeches, sure he's inarticulate, but that in itself doesn't inherently mean complete stupidity; and in terms of policies, sure they tended not to work well, but they weren't entirely his fault; other members of his administration were involved as well, and who's to say some other administration in their position at the time wouldn't have done similarily, if not perhaps even worse?

I'm glad he managed to keep his extramarital affairs secret. That would have been all we needed.

so he paid you that money in the end?

Fergi America;14421263']"It's patriotic to buy" (words to that effect). That spin helped usher in a sweet 2 1/2 years of sales for me.

Doubling the yearly US trade deficit from around $350 billion to around $700 billion. A fact that is closely related to private debt, and hence the credit crisis.

Funny kind of patriotism you have there.

The Afghanistan War, The Iraq War (He Liberated a County, I like that concept, I do not however, like how he handled it), The AIDS Program in Africa, all he has done for our troops, his two tax cuts, his ability to take anything thrown at him unfazed. The Bush humor and the great honor he had in his blood. The man was able to run two successful Presidential Campaigns. All in All I give Former President Bush an Average Approval Rating of 85% (This is my View. His actual Average is around 50.)

That's easy to say if you're not in his position. I don't like Bush either, but how can you be so sure he's a "complete idiot"? In terms of speeches, sure he's inarticulate, but that in itself doesn't inherently mean complete stupidity; and in terms of policies, sure they tended not to work well, but they weren't entirely his fault; other members of his administration were involved as well, and who's to say some other administration in their position at the time wouldn't have done similarily, if not perhaps even worse?

He got a 1206 on his SAT. That's not horrible. But mine was higher and to quote Bill Maher, "I want a President that's smarter than I am."

I like the concept of 'no child left behind'.
That's not something you can consider a "Success" either though.

It needs to be modified for people with severe learning disabillities.
Some people will NEVER read, they just aren't wired right for it.

You shouldn't cut funding for a school that has said students because they "Can't Read".

so he paid you that money in the end?

Yep, and that last-minute executive order. :D

you say that now but wait till he pushes that big red button!

And unleashes a shower of cookies upon us! OH NOES!!!!1


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how so?

They only went in special forces, and not nearly enoughground troops to actually hold onto their captured land, they hadn't forces other NATO countires(beside Canada,UK and the Netherlands) to do their part instead of hiding in their bases, not setting down a clear policy on wheather their fighting the drug trade or the Talbian( you can't fight both at the same time) and not doing enough to stop the ISI from causing mass violence in the country.

Which is alot like Iraq, expect this was winnable and they wouldn't become allies with Iran afterwards.

The Iraq War (He Liberated a County, I like that concept, I do not however, like how he handled it)

all he has done for our troops,

These two would seem to be mutually exclusive.

That's easy to say if you're not in his position. I don't like Bush either, but how can you be so sure he's a "complete idiot"? In terms of speeches, sure he's inarticulate, but that in itself doesn't inherently mean complete stupidity; and in terms of policies, sure they tended not to work well, but they weren't entirely his fault; other members of his administration were involved as well, and who's to say some other administration in their position at the time wouldn't have done similarily, if not perhaps even worse?

In truth, I can't blame him for much, you're right. His administration's policy was probably dictated to a substantial degree by experienced hawk old-timers like Cheney. Maybe he just got dragged along, possessing less intellect and arguing skills than those around him. I'm pretty sure Al Gore wouldn't have taken the US into Iraq, but probably Afghanistan yes, as there were legitimate reasons for that campaign. Many things would have been the same, but the things that wouldn't have, I'm willing to stick my neck out and say, speaking in general terms, yeh, they'd probably have been dealt with better by pretty much any other administration.

You shouldn't cut funding for a school that has said students because they "Can't Read".

but surely to make it have a large impact you would have to have like 100 kids who can't read?

Yep, and that last-minute executive order. :D

I wondered what those men in black suites holding pies wanted...

not obama i hope

In truth, I can't blame him for much, you're right. His administration's policy was probably dictated to a substantial degree by experienced hawk old-timers like Cheney. Maybe he just got dragged along, possessing less intellect and arguing skills than those around him. I'm pretty sure Al Gore wouldn't have taken us into Iraq, but probably Afghanistan yes, as there were legitimate reasons for that campaign. Many things would have been the same, but the things that wouldn't have, I'm willing to stick my neck out and say, speaking in general terms, yeh, they'd probably have been dealt with better by pretty much any other administration.

I don't know, considering how close we came to war with Iraq in 1998, I wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility.

He got a 1206 on his SAT. That's not horrible. But mine was higher and to quote Bill Maher, "I want a President that's smarter than I am."
Hmm? I don't think they use the SAT where I live; (got into MUN based on my high school grades) care to explain what the equivalent of that is in terms of percentages on a test?

Hmm? I don't think they use the SAT where I live; (got into MUN based on my high school grades) care to explain what the equivalent of that is in terms of percentages on a test?

The SAT (until recently) consisted of 2 tests a Math and Verbal test both scored out of a maximum score of 800. So for instance in Bush's case, a 640( of 800) math and 566(of 800) verbal add up to 1206. The current average is about 1017.

but surely to make it have a large impact you would have to have like 100 kids who can't read?
No just enough to bring down the average.
The Government sets aside 2% of a school's population that can be set aside for alternative testing. But if it's more than 2% the school fails.

So if in a 400 student school. If 9 students are below level, the school gets counted off.

On average 12% of a school is in the specail ed range. Of that a quarter falls into the very low IQ range.

So of the 400 Student school. 48 are in special ed and of that 12 are at the level where they cannot read at all.

The limit is 8 however. So those last 4 causes the school to fail.

Hmm? I don't think they use the SAT where I live; (got into MUN based on my high school grades) care to explain what the equivalent of that is in terms of percentages on a test?

There's 1600 points possible in the old test (which is what Bush would have taken), and 2400 possible on the new version.

There's a handy chart on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT

Look under the Raw Scores, Scaled Scores, and Percentiles section.

They only went in special forces, and not nearly enoughground troops to actually hold onto their captured land

the idea was to use the Northern Alliance to win the war so that it doesn't become another Soviet invasion cluster fuck and as you can see it worked well :wink:

they hadn't forces other NATO countires(beside Canada,UK and the Netherlands) to do th:confused:eir part instead of hiding in their bases

only really came about after the invasion though and was hard to foresee

not setting down a clear policy on wheather their fighting the drug trade or the Talbian( you can't fight both at the same time)

since when did we fight the drug trade? hell we are putting warlords into place now

I recall him recently doing something that makes certain parts of the ocean off-limits to drilling (which were not off-limit before).

I recall him recently doing something that makes certain parts of the ocean off-limits to drilling (which were not off-limit before).
That's right; he has set away more sea for protection than any other president, in fact. Interesting considering an otherwise weak environmental record.

That's right; he has set away more sea for protection than any other president, in fact. Interesting considering an otherwise weak environmental record.

He's hiding something. Nyarlathahotep, dba Karl Rove, told him to make sure certain parts of the ocean were not disturbed. We're not sure why.

I'm guessing some kind of back door deal with the fishing industry.

He went eight years without starting WWIII.

He's hiding something. Nyarlathahotep, dba Karl Rove, told him to make sure certain parts of the ocean were not disturbed. We're not sure why.

I'm guessing some kind of back door deal with the fishing industry.

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He's hiding something. Nyarlathahotep, dba Karl Rove, told him to make sure certain parts of the ocean were not disturbed. We're not sure why.

I'm guessing some kind of back door deal with the fishing industry.

For some reason, the ocean within a hundred mile radius of 47°9′S 126°43′W is off-limits to not only drilling, but fishing and even sailing.

For some reason, the ocean within a hundred mile radius of 47°9′S 126°43′W is off-limits to not only drilling, but fishing and even sailing.

Oh, Ry'leh?

I wonder why.

He went eight years without starting WWIII.

Have we really sunk so low that this is the standard we use?

Oh, Ry'leh?

I wonder why.

Okay, that does it. Somebody go find a picture of Cthulhu, tilting its head slightly, with "Oh, Ry'leh?" for the caption.

If you can't find it make it.

Then post it.

Holy Cheese and Shoes, I love your craft!

Not bombing Iran. Telling Israel not to bomb Iran.

1. Deposed Iraq's Dictator Saddam Hussein.

2. Has kept you and I and others safe from another attack on USA soil.

Left office.

1. Deposed Iraq's Dictator Saddam Hussein.

2. Has kept you and I and others safe from another attack on USA soil.

Instead we have 3000+ more dead American soldiers. And thousands more Iraqis.

2. Has kept you and I and others safe from another attack on USA soil.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/terrorchart.png

A second thing he did that I agree with was this interview:

Q. "Do we all worship the same God, Christian and Muslim?"
A. "I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty."

Q. "Do Christians and non-Christians and Muslims go to heaven in your mind?"
A. "Yes they do. We have different routes of getting there."


Hurray for George Bush the Heretic! That's kind of a catchy title, don't you think?

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/terrorchart.png

You win a series of tubes.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/terrorchart.png

What about the other World Trade Center bombing? Or the Oklahoma City bombing?

Left office.



Instead we have 3000+ more dead American soldiers. And thousands more Iraqis.

You and I are safe, yes its not nice for anyone to die in war. The dictator for life Saddam Hussein is gone. If there are ungreatfull Iraquis who take their stinking shoes off at President Bush there are also greatful Iraquis who dont.

Oh, Ry'leh?

I wonder why.

Secret Submarine Base I bet.

You and I are safe, yes its not nice for anyone to die in war. The dictator for life Saddam Hussein is gone. If there are ungreatfull Iraquis who take their stinking shoes off at President Bush there are also greatful Iraquis who dont.

lulz.

What about the other World Trade Center bombing? Or the Oklahoma City bombing?

you'll note that the graph is measured in 9/11 units. okc amounted to .056 9/11s, and so was rounded off of the graph.

you'll note that the graph is measured in 9/11 units. okc amounted to .056 9/11s, and so was rounded off of the graph.

My y-axis isn't labeled. Who taught you to make graphs?

1. Deposed Iraq's Dictator Saddam Hussein.
And that has helped the U.S. how?
2. Has kept you and I and others safe from another attack on USA soil.
By making more enemies than we had before 9/11 :rolleyes:

That's not something you can consider a "Success" either though.
Read that quote again. I never called it a sucess. I said I liked the concept, not the execution. ;)

I liked that last part when he waved goodbye

*Doesn't read any other posts except title*

Choking on a pretzel!

Good thing Bush did and I supported?

Got on that helicopter and left. Good riddance.

He made a speech in support of the space program.

Pity the actual plan sucked and the follow-up seems to have fallen short.

Good thing Bush did and I supported?

Got on that helicopter and left. Good riddance.
You stole my line! The only thing he could have done better with respect to that was board the space shuttle and head for the moon.

He lived and kept Cheney from being president proper even if he didn't keep Cheney from fucking things up.

Sure this has been mentioned, but my favorite comment of the morning had to be when someone on CNN said that Cheney was "one of the few who never aspired to be president" and that he wasn't focused on "politics", he was focused on "policy and doing the right thing for the country."

He reversed a quite a bit of institutionalized anti-Indian policies (the pro-Pak tilt, the dual-use tech denial regime etc). After Kennedy, he is the first US president who is genuinely friendly to India.

He reversed a quite a bit of institutionalized anti-Indian policies (the pro-Pak tilt, the dual-use tech denial regime etc). After Kennedy, he is the first US president who is genuinely friendly to India.

He only really did that after his lacky Musharraf was removed from Pakistahn, and I have a feeling it was kind of a "Oh yeah? You wont reelect my puppet? Well FUCK YOU!"

Defeated Pat Buchanan in 2000.

Some of his policies toward ending homelessness.

Nothing else comes to mind at the moment. :wink:

Some of his policies toward ending homelessness.


Bombing them?


Oh wait, he did things to end homelessness in this country?

He only really did that after his lacky Musharraf was removed from Pakistahn, and I have a feeling it was kind of a "Oh yeah? You wont reelect my puppet? Well FUCK YOU!"Dude, that's how politics always works. ;)
"Oh, you won't do this and this to get my bill passed? That's fine." -Random Congressman.
"That's correct." -Other Random Congressman.
*month later*
"Will you support my bill?" Second Random Congressman.
"FUCK YOU!" First Random Congressman.
:D

Bush made it easy to be a nihilist. Not that I've been personally changed by Obama's inauguration, but four years ago bitterness was in style.

Bombing them?

:D


Oh wait, he did things to end homelessness in this country?

I made a whole thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=406045) about it. I admit I haven't followed up on how these programs have gone in the last few years.

I like that he invested in AIDS relief in Africa, even if a lot of it went to a failed policy abstinence-only sex education. I hope President Obama can build on that and implement more comprehensive education ideas so we can combat this horrible disease.

on the aid in Africa the 2008 renewal removed the abstinence education requirement. Seems that was more a product of the republican congress. Even so the abstinence program was only 6.67% of the aid to Africa.

Got to say the aid to Africa was perhaps a good thing he did.

:D




I made a whole thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=406045) about it. I admit I haven't followed up on how these programs have gone in the last few years.

Well, that was made...3 years before my join date, so:p


Now that you mention it though, I do recall this. It just got buried in my memory of the last eight years by all the suck.

Has kept you and I and others safe from another attack on USA soil.
Kept you safe from tiger attacks as well. And from the subterranean Mole men.
And stopped the Moon mice from stealing all your cheese.

What a guy.


That said, one good thing he did do was increase aid-funding to Africa. More than doubled under his presidency.

And stopped the Moon mice from stealing all your cheese.



So that is what that going to the moon again thing was about we had to put up new mouse traps.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/terrorchart.png

this...is the greatest thing...ever

this...is the greatest thing...ever

But it doesnt show you John Quency Adam's presidency, which suffered the worst terrorist attack in histroy.

So its clearly libruhl smears.

Afghanistan, and No Child Left Behind. Those are pretty big and important. Also, I don't like it when people get to hard on that man. Not many can handle the stress you could imagine having to handle a nation left in panic and helplessness after the vicious 9/11 attacks.

Yes. Few people can handle the stress that comes with being president of the most powerful nation on Earth.

That's why most of us don't run for office.
Most of us can't do brain surgery. Most of us don't stab strangers in the skull and hope for the best.
Most of us can't fly airliners. Those of us who try and can't are called hijackers.
Most of us can't sing. Karaoke bars don't let you bring in your own over-ripe tomatoes.

Every election season there are legions of lunatics who run for office and when aware of them at all we laugh at them. The only difference between Bush and them is that he had the money and the name to make it happen.

The result was an unmitigated disaster.

The one good thing Bush has done since taking office? Leaving it. The one bad thing he didn't do... Pardon Cheney.

1. Deposed Iraq's Dictator Saddam Hussein.

And replaced him with nutcase mullahs who kiss Iran's ass, Yay Democracy!!

2. Has kept you and I and others safe from another attack on USA soil.

And as long as that dirty little terrorist Elian Gonzalez never sets foot on American soil again, America will continue to be safe.

http://www.granitegrok.com/pix/Elian%20Raid.jpg

The border guard guys who shot and killed a fleeing and unarmed criminal in "self-defence" and then attempted to cover it up? Mind if I ask why?
An illegal drug runner alien. If border guards aren't allowed to shoot someone like that then how are they supposed to keep him out of the country or prevent him from re entering? Ask nicely?

An illegal drug runner alien. If border guards aren't allowed to shoot someone like that then how are they supposed to keep him out of the country or prevent him from re entering? Ask nicely?

Wait, you're actually trying to justify shooting an unarmed man in the back and then covering it up?:mad:

Wait, you're actually trying to justify shooting an unarmed man in the back and then covering it up?:mad:

Unarmed doesn't necessarily mean dangerous.

this...is the greatest thing...ever
So Lebanon is not a terrorist attack against Americans? Or Yemen? How about the first Trade Center attack? Granted it wasn't massive casualties but it could have very easily been. Or is this attacks solely in the US? Because Mcveigh should count too.

Oh and I can make irrelevant propaganda too
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Wait, you're actually trying to justify shooting an unarmed man in the back and then covering it up?:mad:
Wait, you are trying to suggest that border guards shouldn't be able to shoot illegal drug running aliens attempting to flee justice in America and escape into Mexico just to return later?

So Lebanon is not a terrorist attack against Americans? Or Yemen? How about the first Trade Center attack? Granted it wasn't massive casualties but it could have very easily been. Or is this attacks solely in the US? Because Mcveigh should count too.
It is a cheap gag, as of this moment you have put more thought into it than Soviets or Neo Art, combined, ever will.

It is a cheap gag, as of this moment you have put more thought into it than Soviets or Neo Art, combined, ever will.
I was trying to make the point that a lot of people probably believe that graph

Oh and I can make irrelevant propaganda too
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Proof that Clinton was the best president before Obama, simply for being a player.

Proof that Clinton was the best president before Obama, simply for being a player.

Actually it'd be 3 if you include Gennifer Flowers and Paula Jones.

Oh and I can make irrelevant propaganda too
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Difference is, that one is blatantly false.

Oh and I can make irrelevant propaganda too
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fail on a massive scale. You have Kennedy ranking as 'zero' on the sex scandal-ometer? Kennedy?
Have you no idea about history?

And that's not even including Jefferson's daliances, Cleveland's fathering a child by a prostitute while serving as governor before becoming president, Harding's two mistresses - one of whom had a child to him or Roosevelt and Eisenhower, both of whom carried on illicit affairs with their long-term mistresses while in office.

Again, have you no idea about History?

Oh and I can make irrelevant propaganda too
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Aren't you just a bit embarassed to be equating mass casulties and sex scandals?

Clinton getting a blow job didn't cost any lives.

Aren't you just a bit embarassed to be equating mass casulties and sex scandals?

Clinton getting a blow job didn't cost any lives.

But...but...it showed a lack of Christian morals and didnt uphold teh dignity of the presidency!

Kept you safe from tiger attacks as well. And from the subterranean Mole men.
And stopped the Moon mice from stealing all your cheese.

What a guy.
.
hes done a far better job at that than at keeping us safe from terrorist attack inside the country.

we can only hope that obama will do as well at keeping the molemen at bay.


but, wait a minute...dont i remember a tiger attack and escape from the san francisco zoo? was that a tiger?


bush sucks!

Aren't you just a bit embarassed to be equating mass casulties and sex scandals?

Clinton getting a blow job didn't cost any lives.

But remember this is the Religious Right that thinks a blowjob is worse than a war started on deception. To the Pro-Life radicals, that hummer Clinton received from Monica Lewinski is basically a Holocaust.

Because after all, Every Sperm is Sacred (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8).

He kept me in Iraq while everyone else had to deal with buying expensive gas . ;)

His post 9/11 actions up until he started talking about Iraq were effective at keeping the country strong and getting other nations to support us. He was good at that.



Pretty much this...^^^

Everything "good" I can think of was tainted somehow. I can't think of anything truly 100% good that he's done.

But...but...it showed a lack of Christian morals and didnt uphold teh dignity of the presidency!The what now?

What the hell is that? o_0;

He kept me in Iraq while everyone else had to deal with buying expensive gas . ;)
youre so lucky!

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You forgot Oklahoma City and the '93 WTC attack...I mean, a thousand injured there and 800 injured at Oklahoma City, not to mention the nearly two hundred killed there is kind of a big thing to overlook. It's ridiculous to make a chart like that and forget the two other biggest domestic terrorist attacks in American history, unless of course there's some magical threshold for "mass casualty terrorist attacks" that conveniently keeps those below it.

Frankly, Bush did not respond in time to prevent Katrina back in 2004 until it was to late. Most folks would agree that the war in Iraq was his fault---besides finally catching Saddam in 06, but what to do about Bin Laden?

Frankly, Bush did not respond in time to prevent Katrina back in 2004 until it was to late.

Might I point out, he wasn't supposed to? FEMA is supposed to operate without the need for Executive micromanagement.

Because there is no way Bush was 100% wrong. There has to be at least something he did that everyone would agree with.

Well... I liked the fact that he didn't use nukes.

He only really did that after his lacky Musharraf was removed from Pakistahn, and I have a feeling it was kind of a "Oh yeah? You wont reelect my puppet? Well FUCK YOU!"

He was the first president to de-hyphenate India-Pak.

Most of the results (the removal of tech-denial regime and non-nuke trade regime etc) took years to come through. As soon as Bush assumed power, he started the engagement with India which has transformed the relationship from negative to positive.

He does deserve credit for this. Condi too as she did a lot of the legwork.

Leave office. Yup.

Aren't you just a bit embarassed to be equating mass casulties and sex scandals?

Clinton getting a blow job didn't cost any lives.

Can you speak to how fertile Billy is?

Well that depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

So Lebanon is not a terrorist attack against Americans? Or Yemen? How about the first Trade Center attack? Granted it wasn't massive casualties but it could have very easily been. Or is this attacks solely in the US? Because Mcveigh should count too.

Oh and I can make irrelevant propaganda too
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/New-Lexington/wttt.png

Too bad the person who made this really doesn't know anything.

Hell Harding once shagged a secretary in the broom closet while the secret service kept the first lady out.

Kennedy was legendary and Johnson used to get pissed and said he had more then Kennedy.

So Clinton got a BJ. Big deal. Your priorities are a tad scary or is that you are jealous?

The invasion of Afghanistan was amongst his more reasonable moments.

I liked the idea for No Child Left Behind, just the way it has been executed is terrible. Schools who rank poorly should be improved instead of penalized by it, and yeah exit exams from high school is a crappy idea. I'm lucky I can even get pre-algebra after years of barley able to do simple arithmetic. BTW the SAT doesn't prove anything other than you can scribble in some bubbles for two hours. Just like an IQ test doesn't really map how intelligent you are.

I think it was more the crude and thoughtless way he blundered over other cultures and didn't know what to do in certain occasions. but i think he meant to do the right thing, he just wasn't sure what the right thing was, definately not the right guy for the job.

After 9/11, he rose to the challenge beautifully
WHAT??? He disappeared completely, for days. Giuliani did OK (better than he's done at anything either before or since) but he was only forced to step up because we had an absolute void of leadership. OK, once he got prepped he made the right remarks, although it didn't take long to figure out he didn't mean a word of it.

He was the first president to de-hyphenate India-Pak.

Most of the results (the removal of tech-denial regime and non-nuke trade regime etc) took years to come through. As soon as Bush assumed power, he started the engagement with India which has transformed the relationship from negative to positive.

He does deserve credit for this. Condi too as she did a lot of the legwork.

I just saw "Slumdog Millionaire" where the hero's mother dies in a pogrom (in this cases, a Hindu mob killing a Moslem slum community. Apparently, Mumbai audiences were not happy with the depection of Mumbai in "Slumdog Millionaire" but I enjoyed the film and it might just get an Oscar. Your comments?
As for Bush's role in India Pakistan what about his bankrolling of Pakistan's Pevez Musharraf so that he would do Bush's bidding. Surely this strengthened the hand of Musharraf's Islamist opponents who could portray him as a tool of western imperialism? :confused:

As for Condi doing the legwork, that's because she had better legs!

Made me look like a professional when it comes to riding a Segway.

Has anyone mentioned the Marine wildlife reservations Bush set up off the coast of California? I liked that.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99036156

The things in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFKwFxDp660&feature=related

Frankly, Bush did not respond in time to prevent Katrina back in 2004 until it was to late.

Damn that a-hole. He/they could have prevented hurricanes and didn't?! Those bastards!

After 9/11, he rose to the challenge beautifully - too bad he couldn't continue on that high note (although I doubt many could have).

He's a genuinely nice person (this has nothing to do with his abilities as President).

He was gracious to the Obamas when they visited the White House.
Huh?

He showed up a week after 9/11/01, got up on the pile of burnt, steaming steel and made a lot of promises to the firemen and police that he never kept. Trust me, I was locked in here in NYC, watching aid come from the state troopers and local police from surrounding states long before Bush or any federales ever showed up. No one should have been surprised at how he responded in New Orleans when the levees broke.

I agree with your point #3 though--it does appear that he worked with Obama to make a smooth transition, but that is the least he could do after first creating the humongus mess he left Obama with. . . .

So I guess I'll thank him for the "transition."

Has anyone mentioned the Marine wildlife reservations Bush set up off the coast of California? I liked that.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99036156

It was referenced I think. Back when posters were discussing the mysterious seabed reservations here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14421379) here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14421393) here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14421430) and here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14421465).

Cthulu's favourite president. ;)

Really, it was a good thing. I guess it didn't conflict with any existing commercial interests ...

For some reason, the ocean within a hundred mile radius of 47°9′S 126°43′W is off-limits to not only drilling, but fishing and even sailing.

The question would be if there was any oil there at all. I would bet there isn't or not enough to make it worthwhile so it was a publicity stunt.

The invasion of Afghanistan was amongst his more reasonable moments.

Meh. He didn't finish the job.

He did some decent stuff with creating parks and what not, led the nation well after 9/11, and is still standing after taking 8 years of abuse.

His presidency failed, but he did some good things, and I'm sure he's glad to be done. I don't blame him.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/terrorchart.pngYou forgot Oklahoma City and the '93 WTC attack...I mean, a thousand injured there and 800 injured at Oklahoma City, not to mention the nearly two hundred killed there is kind of a big thing to overlook. It's ridiculous to make a chart like that and forget the two other biggest domestic terrorist attacks in American history, unless of course there's some magical threshold for "mass casualty terrorist attacks" that conveniently keeps those below it.

You also forgot all the bombings of US embassies and military instillations. all of those are considered US soil.

How many casualties meet the requirements for 'mass' casualty terror attacks?

the best thing former president george w. bush did.........was leave!!!

He managed to stay in office for the full 2 terms and there for he must have done somethings right.

He managed to stay in office for the full 2 terms and there for he must have done somethings right.

He did. He stole the elections the right way.:D

the best thing former president george w. bush did.........was leave!!!

for all of you who only said this (or similar) I have news for you. He showed the people what happens if they don't vote... aka, he got re-elected.

How many casualties meet the requirements for 'mass' casualty terror attacks?
Obviously we draw the line at two thousand to make the chart come out the way we want. Don't you know how to cherrypick data?

for all of you who only said this (or similar) I have news for you. He showed the people what happens if they don't vote... aka, he got re-elected.

So you're saying the best idea is to vote for someone you don't approve of just so the other guy loses?

So you're saying the best idea is to vote for someone you don't approve of just so the other guy loses?

If your guy has no hope in hell of winning, probably best to make sure the screw up doesn't win.

Aren't you just a bit embarassed to be equating mass casulties and sex scandals?

Clinton getting a blow job didn't cost any lives.

Are you mad? It killed millions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8). It wasn't just mass casualty, it may well have been cannibalism.

Invaded Afghanistan, overthrew taliban regime.
Invaded Iraq, overthrew Saddamite regime.
Established path to eventual complete victory in Iraq.
Passed Patriot Act.
Ran SWIFT program.
Waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
Set up Gitmo.
Supported Israel.
Appointed John Bolton as UN Ambassador.
Cut taxes.
Prohibited funding foreign abortions.
Commuted sentences of Ramos and Campeon (but should have pardoned them).
Kept Algore out of the White House.
Kept Lurch out of the White House.

Invaded Afghanistan, overthrew taliban regime.
Invaded Iraq, overthrew Saddamite regime.
Established path to eventual complete victory in Iraq.
Passed Patriot Act.
Ran SWIFT program.
Waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
Set up Gitmo.
Supported Israel.
Appointed John Bolton as UN Ambassador.
Cut taxes.
Prohibited funding foreign abortions.
Commuted sentences of Ramos and Campeon (but should have pardoned them).
Kept Algore out of the White House.
Kept Lurch out of the White House.

Troll harder.

Troll harder.

The OP asked a question. I answered it. If you don't like my answers, I don't care.

Appointed John Bolton as UN Ambassador.
I thought this was hilarious when he did it. Its like a prank - the UN thinks they are getting a diplomat, but instead they get a total prick.

Classic Bush.

Invaded Afghanistan, overthrew taliban regime.
Invaded Iraq, overthrew Saddamite regime.
Established path to eventual complete victory in Iraq.
Passed Patriot Act.
Ran SWIFT program.
Waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
Set up Gitmo.
Supported Israel.
Appointed John Bolton as UN Ambassador.
Cut taxes.
Prohibited funding foreign abortions.
Commuted sentences of Ramos and Campeon (but should have pardoned them).
Kept Algore out of the White House.
Kept Lurch out of the White House.

It says name one Good thing Bush did.

Some aspects of it were absolutely necessary. While I believe it does put undue burden on many small firms, especially ones considering IPOs, the increased liability for CEOs and CFOs in regards to their financial statements and restrictions on conflicts of interest were sorely needed.

Why does any of that need to be a government matter?

People can always choose to not invest in a company if they feel they don't have enough information about it, or that the information they do have isn't trustworthy enough, to make a reliable decision.

Heaven forbid people might actually have to assume some risk in the real world.

It says name one Good thing Bush did.

Exactly.

It says name one Good thing Bush did.

Good is relative.

after all, a Dictatorship is Good for the Dictator. ;)

So you're saying the best idea is to vote for someone you don't approve of just so the other guy loses? better than sitting at home and getting the guy others choose.

Obviously we draw the line at two thousand to make the chart come out the way we want. Don't you know how to cherrypick data?
obviously...


NOT!
:(

Good is relative.

after all, a Dictatorship is Good for the Dictator. ;)

I'm sure you are not implying that the Bush Administration was in any way a "dictatorship," because such a statement just doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

I'm sure you are not implying that the Bush Administration was in any way a "dictatorship," because such a statement just doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

nope, only that some people like Pres Bush's administration and other didn't.

a general term of 'Good' is dependant on each person's own definition of what is Good. You like his actions thus you feel Bush's actions were 'Good'. others don't so it's 'not good'.

Some people like Rap music, others Country. Some like paintings others, sculptures. it's all on personal taste.

Exactly.

It also implies you should only say one thing.

Also Bush had nothing to do with the running of SWIFT, being a Belgian organisation set up in 1973. Now look through all its data in violation of Belgian and EU privacy law is another matter.

nope, only that some people like Pres Bush's administration and other didn't.

a general term of 'Good' is dependant on each person's own definition of what is Good. You like his actions thus you feel Bush's actions were 'Good'. others don't so it's 'not good'.

For the record, I didn't like all of Bush's actions. I did like most of his actions pertaining to defense and national security. A lot of domestic policies, not so much.

But he will look Washingtonian compared to his successor IMO.

It also implies you should only say one thing.

The OP listed at least two. So much for implications.

Invaded Iraq, overthrew Saddamite regime

What, pray tell, is the difference between a "Saddamite" regime and a "non-Saddamite" regime other than a guy named Saddam running it?

Of course, I understand you say it just because it sounds like "sodomite" and gives you a giggle. Honestly though, it's silly.

What, pray tell, is the difference between a "Saddamite" regime and a "non-Saddamite" regime other than a guy named Saddam running it?

Any opportunity I have to disrespect the former tyrant of Iraq, I seize with both hands. :p



Of course, I understand you say it just because it sounds like "sodomite" and gives you a giggle. Honestly though, it's silly.

Fixed.

Name a Good thing Bush did that you supported

Leaving the White House on the 20th January 2009. That's about it, I think.

This panned out about like it I thought it would when I read the title. Few people are so ideologically blinded that they can't name one positive thing. Of course, there are those for whom a GWB press conference announcing he liked puppies would give rise the next day to posts about how he hates kittens.

Any opportunity I have to disrespect the former tyrant of Iraq, I seize with both hands. :p


Oh, sure. But the trouble is you're also so very eager to disrespect everyone else: homosexuals, liberals and Democrats and "liberals," the President, Muslims, Arabs, hell - anyone from the Middle East, and anyone who disagrees with you...

The value in your disrespect and your casual bigotry drops rather quickly in light of how you spray it out all over the place, and is thus that much easier to dismiss entirely.

This panned out about like it I thought it would when I read the title. Few people are so ideologically blinded that they can't name one positive thing.

Maybe that's because...well...there really aren't any. I can't think of a single thing the man did as "positive". Even the one thing that he did that I could agree on, increase aid to Africa, was so loaded with conditions that it made it obvious that his concern was not about saving lives, but pushing his own moralistic agenda.

This destroyed any value the act would have had. Or at least, my willingness to give him credit for the positive outcome, because he obviously didn't intend any.

Thank you for proving my point.

Thank you for proving my point.

And your point is that you want to have an excuse to cry Bush Bashing? Oh please, Dear Leader has earned nothing but scorn from the majority of the world with his ineptitude as well as willingness to be manipulated by friends and colleagues while at the same time dismissing or punishing viewpoints that didn't tell him what he liked.

Thank you for proving my point.

Erm, I don't think he said what you think he said.

This:

Many specifics of this program, including where these detainees have been held and the details of their confinement, cannot be divulged. Doing so would provide our enemies with information they could use to take retribution against our allies and harm our country. I can say that questioning the detainees in this program has given us information that has saved innocent lives by helping us stop new attacks -- here in the United States and across the world. Today, I'm going to share with you some of the examples provided by our intelligence community of how this program has saved lives; why it remains vital to the security of the United States, and our friends and allies; and why it deserves the support of the United States Congress and the American people.

Within months of September the 11th, 2001, we captured a man known as Abu Zubaydah. We believe that Zubaydah was a senior terrorist leader and a trusted associate of Osama bin Laden. Our intelligence community believes he had run a terrorist camp in Afghanistan where some of the 9/11 hijackers trained, and that he helped smuggle al Qaeda leaders out of Afghanistan after coalition forces arrived to liberate that country. Zubaydah was severely wounded during the firefight that brought him into custody -- and he survived only because of the medical care arranged by the CIA.

After he recovered, Zubaydah was defiant and evasive. He declared his hatred of America. During questioning, he at first disclosed what he thought was nominal information -- and then stopped all cooperation. Well, in fact, the "nominal" information he gave us turned out to be quite important. For example, Zubaydah disclosed Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- or KSM -- was the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks, and used the alias "Muktar." This was a vital piece of the puzzle that helped our intelligence community pursue KSM. Abu Zubaydah also provided information that helped stop a terrorist attack being planned for inside the United States -- an attack about which we had no previous information. Zubaydah told us that al Qaeda operatives were planning to launch an attack in the U.S., and provided physical descriptions of the operatives and information on their general location. Based on the information he provided, the operatives were detained -- one while traveling to the United States.

We knew that Zubaydah had more information that could save innocent lives, but he stopped talking. As his questioning proceeded, it became clear that he had received training on how to resist interrogation. And so the CIA used an alternative set of procedures. These procedures were designed to be safe, to comply with our laws, our Constitution, and our treaty obligations. The Department of Justice reviewed the authorized methods extensively and determined them to be lawful. I cannot describe the specific methods used -- I think you understand why -- if I did, it would help the terrorists learn how to resist questioning, and to keep information from us that we need to prevent new attacks on our country. But I can say the procedures were tough, and they were safe, and lawful, and necessary.

Zubaydah was questioned using these procedures, and soon he began to provide information on key al Qaeda operatives, including information that helped us find and capture more of those responsible for the attacks on September the 11th. For example, Zubaydah identified one of KSM's accomplices in the 9/11 attacks -- a terrorist named Ramzi bin al Shibh. The information Zubaydah provided helped lead to the capture of bin al Shibh. And together these two terrorists provided information that helped in the planning and execution of the operation that captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

Once in our custody, KSM was questioned by the CIA using these procedures, and he soon provided information that helped us stop another planned attack on the United States. During questioning, KSM told us about another al Qaeda operative he knew was in CIA custody -- a terrorist named Majid Khan. KSM revealed that Khan had been told to deliver $50,000 to individuals working for a suspected terrorist leader named Hambali, the leader of al Qaeda's Southeast Asian affiliate known as "J-I". CIA officers confronted Khan with this information. Khan confirmed that the money had been delivered to an operative named Zubair, and provided both a physical description and contact number for this operative.

Based on that information, Zubair was captured in June of 2003, and he soon provided information that helped lead to the capture of Hambali. After Hambali's arrest, KSM was questioned again. He identified Hambali's brother as the leader of a "J-I" cell, and Hambali's conduit for communications with al Qaeda. Hambali's brother was soon captured in Pakistan, and, in turn, led us to a cell of 17 Southeast Asian "J-I" operatives. When confronted with the news that his terror cell had been broken up, Hambali admitted that the operatives were being groomed at KSM's request for attacks inside the United States -- probably [sic] using airplanes.

During questioning, KSM also provided many details of other plots to kill innocent Americans. For example, he described the design of planned attacks on buildings inside the United States, and how operatives were directed to carry them out. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a point that was high enough to prevent the people trapped above from escaping out the windows.

KSM also provided vital information on al Qaeda's efforts to obtain biological weapons. During questioning, KSM admitted that he had met three individuals involved in al Qaeda's efforts to produce anthrax, a deadly biological agent -- and he identified one of the individuals as a terrorist named Yazid. KSM apparently believed we already had this information, because Yazid had been captured and taken into foreign custody before KSM's arrest. In fact, we did not know about Yazid's role in al Qaeda's anthrax program. Information from Yazid then helped lead to the capture of his two principal assistants in the anthrax program. Without the information provided by KSM and Yazid, we might not have uncovered this al Qaeda biological weapons program, or stopped this al Qaeda cell from developing anthrax for attacks against the United States.

These are some of the plots that have been stopped because of the information of this vital program. Terrorists held in CIA custody have also provided information that helped stop a planned strike on U.S. Marines at Camp Lemonier in Djibouti -- they were going to use an explosive laden water tanker. They helped stop a planned attack on the U.S. consulate in Karachi using car bombs and motorcycle bombs, and they helped stop a plot to hijack passenger planes and fly them into Heathrow or the Canary Wharf in London.

The war on terror.

I like that he invested in AIDS relief in Africa, even if a lot of it went to a failed policy abstinence-only sex education. I hope President Obama can build on that and implement more comprehensive education ideas so we can combat this horrible disease.

Abstinence only worked!!

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12226
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/african-aids-defeatable-thanks-to-bush/

:D
Leaving office?
Well, directly in the wake of 9/11 he made the right noises and reassured a stunned nation. That was good.

The shortly afterwards, deciding to tell our allies when they urged us not to go to war against the UN's recommendation that if they weren't with us, they were against us, was the top of a downhill slide.

Abstinence only worked!!

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12226
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/african-aids-defeatable-thanks-to-bush/

Learn to read your own source. ABC worked. A on its own wasn't even attempted.

I really think (slash hope) he was being sarcastic, Exilia.

I really think (slash hope) he was being sarcastic, Exilia.

Previous post record for cross-referencing is lacking. Also Inverse Poes law.

He staved off Cheney's insistence that he name himself King George I of America. I supported his decision not to establish a monarchy.

I guess I can say I supported his Bushisms.

Roberts and Alito. Appointing them, that is.

Roberts and Alito. Appointing them, that is.

Wasn't Roberts the guy who messed up the Oath of Office?

Wasn't Roberts the guy who messed up the Oath of Office?

He's also Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, incidentally. And he had help messing it up. :D

Wasn't Roberts the guy who messed up the Oath of Office?

I'm sure he was just as nervous as Obama was. He's a sound jurist and despite the conservatives putting him into his position he is not partisan to the ridiculous degree that some of the justices are.

I'm sure he was just as nervous as Obama was. He's a sound jurist and despite the conservatives putting him into his position he is not partisan to the ridiculous degree that some of the justices are.

Ahh but what other messed up his lines?

He isn't partisan? What's his percentage of breaking ranks with conservative positions?