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Who ever been depressed? Are you depressed right now? Are you clinically depress? Are you a Manic-Depressive IE Bi-Polar? Let's sit around and talk about depression!

I'm experiencing waves of depression, which is actually weird. One minute I'm fine, then the mind chatters start, and then I'd get depressed, I'd start to think about other happy people and I get annoyed and irritable. Then somehow I go back to being happy or at least content, and the cycle continues. Last night I've begun to even ask myself what it's going to take to make me happy. Because it seems like no matter how my life is set up, I always find some flaw or some reason to not be happy with it. Sometimes I wonder if it's my current situation or if I have a real problem.

So, lets talk about depression!

I'm happy.

I used to be depressed, but for some reason I'm not anymore.

I don't think I've ever been depressed. Tell you what, instead of sitting around being mopey, get out and do stuff. Take a walk, or go get a beer, hit the heavy bag, go shooting, work out or something.

I'm going to weekly therapy sessions for depression. Its helped me immensly and I would recomend anyone who thinks they are depressed should seek help from a professional who can help you.

I was diagnosed as clinically depressed once. They gave me prozac.

Turns out I wasn't but it took over a year to find out what was wrong with me, by which point my balance had gone, I had trouble speaking and I could even walk up a flight of stairs without having to take a rest halfway.

It's fun taking a shower when you can't close your eyes to clean your head/face because without a visual reference to which way is up you just keel over and don't know about it until you hit the floor.

The really fun part is that the diagnosis of depression is still on my medical record, ruining my chances of getting some of the jobs I wanted.

well, just think of the last time you were happy, then try to recreate those conditions of the time...of course it's not as simple as that and no doubt depression is different for different people. i know this might sound strange but if you tell someone you trust or a guardian (e.g. parent maybe) about being or feeling depressed they might help you out a little.
again i know my comments are pretty vague but, without more information i can't offer more that talk to someone you know about this, if it affects your quality of life and your ability to be happy then perhaps something should be done to sort it.
good luck

My God...there are depressed people on the internet???

My God...there are depressed people on the internet???

if i said no would you call me a liar?

I was diagnosed as clinically depressed once. They gave me prozac.

Turns out I wasn't but it took over a year to find out what was wrong with me, by which point my balance had gone, I had trouble speaking and I could even walk up a flight of stairs without having to take a rest halfway.

It's fun taking a shower when you can't close your eyes to clean your head/face because without a visual reference to which way is up you just keel over and don't know about it until you hit the floor.

The really fun part is that the diagnosis of depression is still on my medical record, ruining my chances of getting some of the jobs I wanted.

What country are you from?

diagnosed with clinical depression and dysthimia, with some anxiety disorder stuff, in 2005. though, of course, it had been going before then - probably for about 2 years. i had found ways of controlling it and living with it, to some extent, and by the time i was diagnosed it was a ton better than it had been at university. they gave me citalopram and i'm still taking it every day.
when i don't take my meds, i do find myself getting going into far deeper 'downs' than just a normal feeling down/blue. with them, i can get upset about something, feel a bit bad, and move on. without them, i can get upset, spiral into depressed feelings, depressed thoughts, and find myself unable to cope for days.

there are elements of my life that make me uber-stressed and can cause me to become depressed (without my meds), but which i can't escape right now. this is probably why i'm still on the SSRI after almost 4 years. one day things will get better. therapy would probably help (like some kind of CBT) but its one of the few things the NHS just doesn't do in this city (the hospital is huge and well respected, but they've never taken mental health seriously)... i'd hope that new government plans to increase the provision of mental health stuff will help, but until then i'm kinda stuck cos i can't afford to go private.


depression sucks, its a way of life, a way of thinking, it takes you over and seperating yourself from it is both incredibly hard and very scary.

Who ever been depressed? Are you depressed right now? Are you clinically depress? Are you a Manic-Depressive IE Bi-Polar? Let's sit around and talk about depression!

I'm experiencing waves of depression, which is actually weird. One minute I'm fine, then the mind chatters start, and then I'd get depressed, I'd start to think about other happy people and I get annoyed and irritable. Then somehow I go back to being happy or at least content, and the cycle continues. Last night I've begun to even ask myself what it's going to take to make me happy. Because it seems like no matter how my life is set up, I always find some flaw or some reason to not be happy with it. Sometimes I wonder if it's my current situation or if I have a real problem.

So, lets talk about depression!

I've had occasional depression, but it wasn't clinical. My friend who did have clinical depression calls it valid depression, but I'm not sure. Whatever it was, it made me feel worse, cause I didn't think I needed help (I didn't act like people in happy pills commercials) and thought I was just being a moron.

I've got this "friend" "Mike" who was diagnosed with depression, anxiety, and a whole slew of other things, basically calling him ineffective. He was prescribed to a whole slew of drugs, which did nothing, and all of his symptoms just got worse with the treatment he was receiving. At about 12, while in a depressed rage, told his mother to fuck off, and decided to stop taking the medication. Slowly, he got better. Eventually he moved into another household, with his father, and life improved a lot more after that.
My point is, it may be clinical, and you may need therapy. Try it. It may be something as simple as where you are in life right now isn't meant for you.

I don't think I've ever been depressed. Tell you what, instead of sitting around being mopey, get out and do stuff. Take a walk, or go get a beer, hit the heavy bag, go shooting, work out or something.

i think that shows you don't know what depression is like.

I have bipolar II disorder, and unfortunately, over a decade after we began, my doctors still haven't found a combination of meds that helps without unmanageable side effects. I'm still hoping, though.

I've got this "friend" "Mike" who was diagnosed with depression, anxiety, and a whole slew of other things, basically calling him ineffective. He was prescribed to a whole slew of drugs, which did nothing, and all of his symptoms just got worse with the treatment he was receiving. At about 12, while in a depressed rage, told his mother to fuck off, and decided to stop taking the medication. Slowly, he got better. Eventually he moved into another household, with his father, and life improved a lot more after that.
My point is, it may be clinical, and you may need therapy. Try it. It may be something as simple as where you are in life right now isn't meant for you.

Heh. It still happens occasionally, but I boil it down to having no self-confidence/self-esteem and not having a great relationship with my parents.

The economy was depressed in 1929

Jesus cures depression

Incredibly so, to the extent I've self-harmed to a serious degree, and have a 5 cm long scar on my inner left thigh. I'd concur largely with the sentiments of PM; it does become the primary force in your life, at once limiting and dictating everyday activities, and impinging upon your ability to socially interact.

Though much recovered, whatever I suffered from is neither wholly absent, nor ever likely to be. I've got much in my life that perpetually reminds me of how much potential, and oppurtunity, I've failed to fulfil thus far, an I can readily fall into the mentality again, when either particularly stressed, anxious or tired. Without wishing to sound nauseating, I'm fortunate to have an understanding and loving girlfriend.

Jesus cures depression

This must be in jest. Surely.

This must be in jest. Surely.

I assure you I am quite serious, why would you doubt this?

depends whether your depression is mental or physical.

Try these see if they help.

1. Life means suffering.

To live means to suffer, because the human nature is not perfect and neither is the world we live in. During our lifetime, we inevitably have to endure physical suffering such as pain, sickness, injury, tiredness, old age, and eventually death; and we have to endure psychological suffering like sadness, fear, frustration, disappointment, and depression. Although there are different degrees of suffering and there are also positive experiences in life that we perceive as the opposite of suffering, such as ease, comfort and happiness, life in its totality is imperfect and incomplete, because our world is subject to impermanence. This means we are never able to keep permanently what we strive for, and just as happy moments pass by, we ourselves and our loved ones will pass away one day, too.

2. The origin of suffering is attachment.

The origin of suffering is attachment to transient things and the ignorance thereof. Transient things do not only include the physical objects that surround us, but also ideas, and -in a greater sense- all objects of our perception. Ignorance is the lack of understanding of how our mind is attached to impermanent things. The reasons for suffering are desire, passion, ardour, pursuit of wealth and prestige, striving for fame and popularity, or in short: craving and clinging. Because the objects of our attachment are transient, their loss is inevitable, thus suffering will necessarily follow. Objects of attachment also include the idea of a "self" which is a delusion, because there is no abiding self. What we call "self" is just an imagined entity, and we are merely a part of the ceaseless becoming of the universe.

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

The cessation of suffering can be attained through nirodha. Nirodha means the unmaking of sensual craving and conceptual attachment. The third noble truth expresses the idea that suffering can be ended by attaining dispassion. Nirodha extinguishes all forms of clinging and attachment. This means that suffering can be overcome through human activity, simply by removing the cause of suffering. Attaining and perfecting dispassion is a process of many levels that ultimately results in the state of Nirvana. Nirvana means freedom from all worries, troubles, complexes, fabrications and ideas. Nirvana is not comprehensible for those who have not attained it.

4. The path to the cessation of suffering.

There is a path to the end of suffering - a gradual path of self-improvement, which is described more detailed in the Eightfold Path. It is the middle way between the two extremes of excessive self-indulgence (hedonism) and excessive self-mortification (asceticism); and it leads to the end of the cycle of rebirth. The latter quality discerns it from other paths which are merely "wandering on the wheel of becoming", because these do not have a final object. The path to the end of suffering can extend over many lifetimes, throughout which every individual rebirth is subject to karmic conditioning. Craving, ignorance, delusions, and its effects will disappear gradually, as progress is made on the path.

I assure you I am quite serious, why would you doubt this?

erm...living in modernity, and rejecting the notion of the direct intercession and intervention of the divine?

If there is no self, as is suggested by Truly Blessed, what does Karma work on then? (anatta isn't it?) and Anica is impermanence i think.
and how does Karma relate to Nirvana if we don't have a self?

I'm depressive by nature, more because I'm a compulsive worrier and I tend to overthink and overanalyze things(I analyze EVERYTHING), so I basically make things harder for myself. Added to that I have a sensitive personality, so ALL of my emotions are more intense, and I find it very hard to cope with bullying and such.

It doesn't help that I spent long enough at home without much social interaction that now I become very uncomfortable if I have to do anything socially. College'll be lots of fun in that sense till I can get past it again...

The weird thing is, I tend to be a loner despite being very dependent on other people. I don't know why.

--Buddhism--
You take that back, you fat-bastard-worshiping fat bastard! Jesus is the only true path to salvation, and that is a path of misery and itchy adenoids, not detachment.

Incredibly so, to the extent I've self-harmed to a serious degree, and have a 5 cm long scar on my inner left thigh. I'd concur largely with the sentiments of PM; it does become the primary force in your life, at once limiting and dictating everyday activities, and impinging upon your ability to socially interact.

Though much recovered, whatever I suffered from is neither wholly absent, nor ever likely to be. I've got much in my life that perpetually reminds me of how much potential, and oppurtunity, I've failed to fulfil thus far, an I can readily fall into the mentality again, when either particularly stressed, anxious or tired. Without wishing to sound nauseating, I'm fortunate to have an understanding and loving girlfriend.

i understand that. people who care are magic, and truly, truly help. i was lucky to have an understanding and loving family to come to when i left university, and now (well, for the last 3 years) an understanding and loving girlfriend as well. without those people i'd probably be dead by now, as i'm sure the thing that made it so bad at university was the lack of love and caring support. that was the only way i could come to terms with how i felt and start to get over it. the meds help on a day-to-day basis though :P

I was diagnosed with dysthymia (chronic "functional" depression) when I was 16 or 17. I've been on antidepressants at a variety of doses since then, generally zoloft at 150 mg. I've had one episode of diagnosed clinical depression that resulted in a three-day hospital stay. a 5150, a charcoal milkshake and a month leave from school. I'd say, on average, I feel acutely depressed/suicidal about once every three months, and markedly depressed/ahedonic about 1/4 of the time.

I've been in weekly therapy on and off for nine years--mostly on, with some gaps while I was away at college. Without meds and therapy, I'd be clinically depressed--though not for long.

Incredibly so, to the extent I've self-harmed to a serious degree, and have a 5 cm long scar on my inner left thigh. I'd concur largely with the sentiments of PM; it does become the primary force in your life, at once limiting and dictating everyday activities, and impinging upon your ability to socially interact.

Though much recovered, whatever I suffered from is neither wholly absent, nor ever likely to be. I've got much in my life that perpetually reminds me of how much potential, and oppurtunity, I've failed to fulfil thus far, an I can readily fall into the mentality again, when either particularly stressed, anxious or tired. Without wishing to sound nauseating, I'm fortunate to have an understanding and loving girlfriend.

Hey, I've got a 4 cm scar that looks like a worm on my left arm! We could be brothers!

(Seriously, it really does look like a worm. My friend named it Fred :()

Hey, I've got a 4 cm scar that looks like a worm on my left arm! We could be brothers!

(Seriously, it really does look like a worm. My friend named it Fred :()

Being on my inner thigh, I've contrived to avoid exposing mine to any but those whom I choose. But all the same, they're not pleasant.

Clinically depressed and medicated since August. The medication finally kicked in in late October/early November but it started back up again in mid-December. So I'm thinking that the meds aren't helping and that it was just a cycle when I was good so I'm going to try to get the doctor to either up or change my medication.

what country are you from?

uk.

And here I was ready for a rant about the economy, only to find out this is a thread about emotion. Bah.

You take that back, you fat-bastard-worshiping fat bastard! Jesus is the only true path to salvation, and that is a path of misery and itchy adenoids, not detachment.

That also is true. Both work pretty well together.



With regard to depression you have ask yourself why am I depressed? Maybe even should I be depressed? Would any other reasonable person feel the way I do?

I just broke up with my girlfriend for example. I miss hanging out with her. Should I feel depressed? Did I do anything that may have caused this issue. Would reasonable person feel bad because he lost his girlfriend? Okay what can I do. I can research what women want. I can try to make myself a better person. I can take classes and read books to try to make myself a better person. I can show the next person I am with that I am a worthy person to love. I can tell them frequently that I love them and care for them. I can stop focusing on their faults.


Sometimes life hands you lemons it is you choice what to do with them.

Sometimes life hands you lemons it is you choice what to do with them.

I throw them back and add a few lemons of my own.

*nods sagely*

Sometimes life hands you lemons it is you choice what to do with them.

Slice them into gin and tonics.

Slice them into gin and tonics.

Well said. I will take mine with vodka but I agree with your idea.

Sometimes life hands you lemons it is you choice what to do with them.

Tequila Suicides!! (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tequila%20suicide)

With regard to depression you have ask yourself why am I depressed? Maybe even should I be depressed? Would any other reasonable person feel the way I do?

I just broke up with my girlfriend for example. I miss hanging out with her. Should I feel depressed? Did I do anything that may have caused this issue. Would reasonable person feel bad because he lost his girlfriend? Okay what can I do. I can research what women want. I can try to make myself a better person. I can take classes and read books to try to make myself a better person. I can show the next person I am with that I am a worthy person to love. I can tell them frequently that I love them and care for them. I can stop focusing on their faults.


Sometimes life hands you lemons it is you choice what to do with them.

Um. Apparently you are either unaware or deliberately ignoring the rather obvious and critical difference between "feeling depresed or sad" and the disorder that is clinical depression. This is not just frustrating to those of us that know better, but is insulting.

Your advice is the equivalent of telling a paraplegic to "walk it off."

Who ever been depressed? Are you depressed right now? Are you clinically depress? Are you a Manic-Depressive IE Bi-Polar? Let's sit around and talk about depression!

I'm experiencing waves of depression, which is actually weird. One minute I'm fine, then the mind chatters start, and then I'd get depressed, I'd start to think about other happy people and I get annoyed and irritable. Then somehow I go back to being happy or at least content, and the cycle continues. Last night I've begun to even ask myself what it's going to take to make me happy. Because it seems like no matter how my life is set up, I always find some flaw or some reason to not be happy with it. Sometimes I wonder if it's my current situation or if I have a real problem.

So, lets talk about depression!

1. I suggest you consult professional medical advice. If you are experiencing bouts of clinical depression, there are often lots of things that can help.

2. For the record, I suffer from severe clinical depression, dysthimia, OCD, ADD, and various anxiety disorders. They are why I am no longer working.

1. I suggest you consult professional medical advice. If you are experiencing bouts of clinical depression, there are often lots of things that can help.

2. For the record, I suffer from severe clinical depression, dysthimia, OCD, ADD, and various anxiety disorders. They are why I am no longer working.

I did mean to minimize anyone plight. I did not mean to apply walk it off. In other words if you ask yourself would any other person feel depressed for no reason. If you come up with no then you need to seek help. Please, please, please before it is too late. I didn't know what his circumstance were before posting. Please, please I did not mean to insult anyone. If I did please forgive me. You would not feel bad going to a dentist when you have toothache.

1. I suggest you consult professional medical advice. If you are experiencing bouts of clinical depression, there are often lots of things that can help.

2. For the record, I suffer from severe clinical depression, dysthimia, OCD, ADD, and various anxiety disorders. They are why I am no longer working.

But it does explain those incredibly well researched posts on legal stuffs.

Automatic Negative Thoughts
Automatic negative thoughts are:

Automatic
You don't decide to think them. They are like a habit so it may be hard to not think them.

Negative
They make you feel bad about yourself. For example, "I'm useless".

Believable
They will seem true and you may accept them as facts. They are often biased and distorted by your mood.

Depressed people sometimes feel compelled to "beat themselves up" with these thoughts. The thoughts often come from deep beliefs we hold about ourselves and life. For example, a person that thinks "Anyone who gets up later than 9am is lazy" may sleep past 9am and then wake up experiencing low mood without realizing why. Without noticing, they may have had the thought "I'm so useless and lazy" which is very unhelpful. As a more complex example, a person who is raised in an accademically successful family may hold the belief "If I don't get A's in my exams I will have let my family down" and then think "I'm a failure" whenever someone mentions an exam.

Catch the thoughts
Use your feelings as a cue
If you ever notice a sudden downturn in your mood, try to identify the thought that caused it

Watch out for events that make you sad
If there is a particular event that often leaves you feeling low, ask yourself why. See if you can isolate any thoughts you had that made you feel bad.

When you start to get the hang of catching these thoughts, it's a good idea to write them down. This can help you to look over the thoughts, understand where they come from and challenge them. There are many ways of thinking about a situation and these automatic negative thoughts may be irrational and very unhelpful. This is a fundamental part of cognitive behavioural therapy.

Automatic Negative Thoughts
Automatic negative thoughts are:

Automatic
You don't decide to think them. They are like a habit so it may be hard to not think them.

Negative
They make you feel bad about yourself. For example, "I'm useless".

Believable
They will seem true and you may accept them as facts. They are often biased and distorted by your mood.

Depressed people sometimes feel compelled to "beat themselves up" with these thoughts. The thoughts often come from deep beliefs we hold about ourselves and life. For example, a person that thinks "Anyone who gets up later than 9am is lazy" may sleep past 9am and then wake up experiencing low mood without realizing why. Without noticing, they may have had the thought "I'm so useless and lazy" which is very unhelpful. As a more complex example, a person who is raised in an accademically successful family may hold the belief "If I don't get A's in my exams I will have let my family down" and then think "I'm a failure" whenever someone mentions an exam.

Catch the thoughts
Use your feelings as a cue
If you ever notice a sudden downturn in your mood, try to identify the thought that caused it

Watch out for events that make you sad
If there is a particular event that often leaves you feeling low, ask yourself why. See if you can isolate any thoughts you had that made you feel bad.

When you start to get the hang of catching these thoughts, it's a good idea to write them down. This can help you to look over the thoughts, understand where they come from and challenge them. There are many ways of thinking about a situation and these automatic negative thoughts may be irrational and very unhelpful. This is a fundamental part of cognitive behavioural therapy.

1. NSG etiquette suggests that when quoting another source, especially as extensively as you have done, one should cite that source. Here is yours: http://cbtexplained.com/ants.php

2. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy can be a great help to many with depression and your efforts to share it are appreciated. Just so you know it is far from a cure-all for everyone. :wink:

I'm depressed, though not clinically or diagnosably. I just think about shit in a negative way. About the teacher I love, my life, struggles, etc. Horrible.

1. I suggest you consult professional medical advice. If you are experiencing bouts of clinical depression, there are often lots of things that can help.

2. For the record, I suffer from severe clinical depression, dysthimia, OCD, ADD, and various anxiety disorders. They are why I am no longer working.

Dude, we have the same diagnoses! Except for the anxiety disorder, but I am anxious like everyone in my family.

I find it helpful with my depression to stay so insanely busy that I can't become paralyzed. Of course, then the stress builds up until I think I can't take it anymore... but then at critical mass my emotions switch off and my brain goes on autopilot and I don't really feel quite depressed anymore, I don't really feel like a person anymore, but I can still work.

Apparently this is derealization and it's bad for you, but it's helped me survive.

I've been rather depressed for the past few weeks. Life in general has taken a rather unexpected turn for Sucktown, as I'm sure life is wont to do sometimes. That's why its life and all that jazz.

I'm trying to work with my demons on my own and delaying a visit to the shrink because I know he'll want to give me pills and I'm not into taking them again.

I'm rarely depressed, but almost never happy.

I've been rather depressed for the past few weeks. Life in general has taken a rather unexpected turn for Sucktown, as I'm sure life is wont to do sometimes. That's why its life and all that jazz.


I'm sure it'd help if you stopped listening to Jazz.:p

I'm sure it'd help if you stopped listening to Jazz.:p

Or if you started showing me more lovin'.

Who ever been depressed? Are you depressed right now? Are you clinically depress? Are you a Manic-Depressive IE Bi-Polar? Let's sit around and talk about depression!

I'm experiencing waves of depression, which is actually weird. One minute I'm fine, then the mind chatters start, and then I'd get depressed, I'd start to think about other happy people and I get annoyed and irritable. Then somehow I go back to being happy or at least content, and the cycle continues. Last night I've begun to even ask myself what it's going to take to make me happy. Because it seems like no matter how my life is set up, I always find some flaw or some reason to not be happy with it. Sometimes I wonder if it's my current situation or if I have a real problem.

So, lets talk about depression!

Like sucks.

Love is a fantasy.

There is no afterlife.

Innocents die everyday.


On a more positive note: NSG is here!

One minute I'm fine, then the mind chatters start, and then I'd get depressed, I'd start to think about other happy people and I get annoyed and irritable.
Dare I ask what "the mind chatters" are?



Like sucks.

Love is a fantasy.

There is no afterlife.

Innocents die everyday.
Life is good.

Love is as real as any other emotion.

There is now-life.

Innocents are born every day.

Life is good.

For you, not for the masses suffering or the few who see them and understand what humans really are.

Love is as real as any other emotion.

Just that: an emotion. a positive attraction dropped at the first sign of something better.

There is now-life.

And it is not anything like the after-life a virtuous being would end-up in.

Innocents are born every day.

Another tragedy!

Like sucks.

Love is a fantasy.

There is no afterlife.

Innocents die everyday.



Life is good.

Love is as real as any other emotion.

There is now-life.

Innocents are born every day.

Yer both wrong!

Life is okay.

Love is real.

There is now-life and an afterlife.

The life-cycle brings in new people and pulls out ones who are already here.

Yer both wrong!

All of us are: inventing delusions to make things bearable.

Life is okay.

By what standard?

Love is real.

Sex is real; there are several things that can break love forcibly with ease.

There is now-life and an afterlife.

Proof? When you lose your eyes, do you see into the afterlife? No, the nerves die.

The life-cycle brings in new people and pulls out ones who are already here.

"One pair of arms is like another..."

All of us are: inventing delusions to make things bearable.


Indeed we are. So we're making life 'bearable', or 'okay'.

By what standard?

"Okay" here meaning "Bearable'. If life 'sucked', most people would want to end it, no?

Sex is real; there are several things that can break love forcibly with ease.

With ease? No.

Proof? When you lose your eyes, do you see into the afterlife? No, the nerves die.

Point? Just because you don't have your mortal eyes means there is no afterlife?

"One pair of arms is like another..."
I'm not familiar with that saying, mind explaining?

Indeed we are. So we're making life 'bearable', or 'okay'.

Bearable is far from "okay"; a cross is "bearable".

"Okay" here meaning "Bearable'. If life 'sucked', most people would want to end it, no?

Perhaps they believe death is even worse? For instance, many religious persons think Hell is the payment for suicide.

With ease? No.

A better mate, torture, ect. Realatively easy.

Point? Just because you don't have your mortal eyes means there is no afterlife?


It means that when your nerves die, blackness ensues.

I'm not familiar with that saying, mind explaining?

One pair of arms is like another
I don't know why or who's to blame,
I'll go with you or with your brother
It's all the same, it's all the same.
This I have learned:
That when the light's out,
No man will bum with special flame,
You'll prove to me before the night's out,
You're all the same, you're all the same.

So do not talk to me of love,
I'm not a fool with starry eyes,
Just put your money in my hand,
And you will get what money buys!
One pair of arms is like another,
I don't know why or who's to blame,
I'll go with you or with your brother
It's all the same, it's all the same.
This I have learned:
That when the light's out,
No man will bum with special flame,
You'll prove to me before the night's out,
You're all the same, you're all the same.

Oh, I have seen too many beds,
But I have known too little rest,
And I have loved too many men
With hatred burning in my breast.
I do not like you or your brother,
I do not like the life I live,
But I am me, I am Aldonza.
And what I give, I choose to give.
One pair of arms is like another
It's all the same, it's all the same!

chiisa na koto de daiji na mono wo ushinatta
tsumetai yubiwa ga watashi ni hikattemiseta
"ima sae areba ii" to itta kedo sou ja nakatta
anata e tsuzuku doa ga oto mo naku kieta

anata no shiawase negau hodo wagamama ga fueteku yo
soredemo anata wo hikitometai itsu datte sou
dareka no negai ga kanau koro ano ko ga naiteru yo
sono mama tobira no oto wa naranai

minna ni hitsuyou to sareru kimi wo iyaseru tatta hitori ni
naritakute sukoshi gaman shi sugita na

jibun no shiawase negau koto wagamama dewa nai desho
sore nara anata wo dakiyosetai dekiru dake gyutto
watashi no namida ga kawaku koro ano ko ga naiteru yo
kono mama bokura no jimen wa kawakanai

anata no shiawase negau hodo wagamama ga fueteku yo
anata wa watashi wo hikitometai itsu datte sou
dareka no negai ga kanau koro ano ko ga naiteru yo
minna no negai wa douji ni wa kanawanai

chiisa na chikyuu ga mawaru hodo yasashisa mi ni tsuku yo
mou ichi do anata wo dakishimetai dekiru dake sutto

Dareka no negai ga kanau koro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkNH7cgFN4)- Utada Hikaru

2. For the record, I suffer from severe clinical depression, dysthimia, OCD, ADD, and various anxiety disorders. They are why I am no longer working.

I thought you were a lawyer.

Dare I ask what "the mind chatters" are?

Basically thoughts of mine that will either come in all at once, or take turn. It never stops. It's amazing I haven't gone insane yet...well insane-r...

I was diagnosed as clinically depressed once. They gave me prozac.

Turns out I wasn't but it took over a year to find out what was wrong with me, by which point my balance had gone, I had trouble speaking and I could even walk up a flight of stairs without having to take a rest halfway.

It's fun taking a shower when you can't close your eyes to clean your head/face because without a visual reference to which way is up you just keel over and don't know about it until you hit the floor.

The really fun part is that the diagnosis of depression is still on my medical record, ruining my chances of getting some of the jobs I wanted.

Reading all that made me feel immensably better about my own life.
Thank you for perking me up! :fluffle:

Sex is real; there are several things that can break love forcibly with ease.
But this doesn't make love unreal, just fallible.



Basically thoughts of mine that will either come in all at once, or take turn. It never stops.
Sounds nasty.

I'm happy.

Reading all that made me feel immensably better about my own life.
Thank you for perking me up! :fluffle:

*starts designing Jigsaw Games for Philosopy and Zombie PotatoHeads*

Sounds nasty.

It can be, esp. at night when I'm trying to sleep and it's keeping me up.

i think that shows you don't know what depression is like.

Wow. Way to pick up on the obvious there, champ. I mean, that sentiment is only expressed in the first sentence in my post. What are you going to point out next, that I'm typing on a keyboard?

Well, although the Current Depression has many similarities with the one in 1929, however, there are differences that suggest that......

Wait....Oh...:$

Believable
They will seem true and you may accept them as facts. They are often biased and distorted by your mood.

that was one of the most difficult things about getting better. fighting these things that i believed to be "facts" about myself and my life, which were just the depression talking. fighting against things you believe to be 100% true and unchangeable is very difficult...

Of course, then the stress builds up until I think I can't take it anymore... but then at critical mass my emotions switch off and my brain goes on autopilot and I don't really feel quite depressed anymore, I don't really feel like a person anymore, but I can still work.

Apparently this is derealization and it's bad for you, but it's helped me survive.
ooh, i used to get that. better now. it did help a lot.

Wow. Way to pick up on the obvious there, champ. I mean, that sentiment is only expressed in the first sentence in my post. What are you going to point out next, that I'm typing on a keyboard?

hilarious. my comment was in response to your "advice" to depressed people, whether or not you admit to having never felt depressed yourself, i don't care. that advice is not wanted and doesn't help. next time, if you have no experience of something, keep your stupid advice to yourself.

That also is true. Both work pretty well together.
<snips>

Sometimes life hands you lemons it is you choice what to do with them.

life is a lemon and i want my money back! (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l0_GEHXpi78)

whether or not you admit to having never felt depressed yourself, i don't care. that advice is not wanted and doesn't help. next time, if you have no experience of something, keep your stupid advice to yourself.

There's nothing to 'admit', it's not like I'm hiding some big dark secret. As for the advice, it might help, you never know until you try it. As for the 'experience' factor, does that mean that only people who have been mentally ill can give advice on mental illness? That'd certainly change the face of psychiatry.

I heart depression! Well, I don't actually, but ya'know.

Anyway, yeah I've been depressed in the past and just recently it's come back. Ever since I finished chemo I've been pretty down. I'll just adapt that manly mantra, 'she'll be right mate'.

I was diagnosed as clinically depressed once. They gave me prozac.

Turns out I wasn't but it took over a year to find out what was wrong with me, by which point my balance had gone, I had trouble speaking and I could even walk up a flight of stairs without having to take a rest halfway.

It's fun taking a shower when you can't close your eyes to clean your head/face because without a visual reference to which way is up you just keel over and don't know about it until you hit the floor.

The really fun part is that the diagnosis of depression is still on my medical record, ruining my chances of getting some of the jobs I wanted.

Have you considered suing for malpractice?

Of course, you might not want to go through the hassle of a legal battle, but incompetant proffesionals need to be put in their place.

There's nothing to 'admit', it's not like I'm hiding some big dark secret. As for the advice, it might help, you never know until you try it. As for the 'experience' factor, does that mean that only people who have been mentally ill can give advice on mental illness? That'd certainly change the face of psychiatry.

1. admit was probably the wrong word, yeah

2. it might help some, but only as part of a much wider set of actions to tackle the disease. some doctors do now suggest exercise along with therapy and medications as treatment, so you're not 100% off. however, for some sufferers it is difficult enough to motivate oneself to get out of bed, and often depression is linked with anxiety disorders, meaning (like i was) you can be terrified of just going out of the house. going out, interacting with people, doing exercise, etc, may help some or many people, but for most even contemplating those things is just... impossible. when i was at my worst, at university, most of my waking moments were a depressed cycle of negative thoughts (as per this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14413475#post14413475)), very often thinking about how and when to kill myself, wishing to kill myself, and hoping that the loved ones in my life would stop loving me so i could kill myself without guilt or regret. try suggesting to that person to go to the gym or whatever, and i don't think it would help. breaking that cycle takes a huge amount of effort, and often medication and/or therapy. exercise and getting out & about may well help a depressed person recover, but only after the cycle of depression has been broken, in my experience.

3. no, but to me, at least, your advice showed no understanding of the depth of clinical depression. sorry if i was prissy, but one of the most difficult things a depressed person has to deal with (externally) is how little other people understand it. for many, especially long term sufferers such as some of the people here, you become it and it becomes you - depression becomes an integral part of who you are, and to play it down as 'moping' or anything similar is nothing short of an insult to the struggle depression sufferers go through. i took offence at the advice you gave because i've heard it all too often. all i'd ask is that next time someone brings up (clinical/real) depression, just bear in mind that downplaying it as moping or "feeling blue" may upset them, and that you understand the issue more widely before offering advice.

that isn't to say that only depressed people can offer advice on how to deal with depression - not at all (many shrinks, i'm sure, offer advice on it ;)). but people who have been through it, or are going through it, have a unique perspective that it is very hard for someone who has never been depressed to understand. hence why, all too often, you hear the "pick yourself up," or "stop moping" rhetoric. please do offer advice, but also please do understand what it is you're offering advice about before you do so!

Sex is real; there are several things that can break love forcibly with ease.



There are quite a few things that can break sex with ease as well.

I was depressed a few years ago, and quite seriously.
I'm not 100% sure as to the cause... I think it was a combination of having reached a point in life where I wasn't sure about where to go next, a sneaking isolation as my circle of friends slowly broke up and disappeared, and a very, very unhealthy relationship.

What brought me out of it was a traumatic event, followed by me making a determined and serious effort to enjoy life again. Mind you, I'm not saying that this is what will help everybody, and depressed people should just get themselves together and get out there and enjoy. It takes an enormous amount of energy to do that, and if you're depressed that is exactly what you haven't got. For me, I had to be shocked out of it by events, I don't think I would have been able to pull myself out of it otherwise.

3. no, but to me, at least, your advice showed no understanding of the depth of clinical depression. sorry if i was prissy, but one of the most difficult things a depressed person has to deal with (externally) is how little other people understand it. for many, especially long term sufferers such as some of the people here, you become it and it becomes you - depression becomes an integral part of who you are, and to play it down as 'moping' or anything similar is nothing short of an insult to the struggle depression sufferers go through.

that isn't to say that only depressed people can offer advice on how to deal with depression - not at all (many shrinks, i'm sure, offer advice on it ;)). but people who have been through it, or are going through it, have a unique perspective that it is very hard for someone who has never been depressed to understand. hence why, all too often, you hear the "pick yourself up," or "stop moping" rhetoric. please do offer advice, but also please do understand what it is you're offering advice about before you do so!

Fair enough.

I wouldn't say I am clinically depressed as I've never been diagnosed, but I find many of the descriptions that sufferers give are very similar to my own thinking and behaviour over the past 5 years. I seem to cope most of the time, and would rather not have the label given as I'd rather learn to control it myself and gain confidence from this fight, if successful.

(This seems like an odd way of putting it, not sure how to explain)

Fair enough.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2226/smileis1.gif

My favorite football team lost the AFC Championship to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I am depressed

R.I.P Ravens until next season.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IeZCmqePLzM

edit: might be useful for some people to watch

Depression is a liberal myth.

Depression is a liberal myth.

*restrains self from responding with expletives*

Not funny. Not one bit.

I used to be like this :(

Now I take anti-depressents and Im like this :D


Well, thats a simplification. Im still moody. NSG can probably tell. ;)


Its hereditary for my family. Dad's side. I knew I had it when I was depressed and brooding all the time, even when I had no reason to be.

*restrains self from responding with expletives*

Not funny. Not one bit.

What, so I joke about racism, religion, homosexuality, etc. but depression is off limits? Please.

What, so I joke about racism, religion, homosexuality, etc. but depression is off limits? Please.

Do you also enjoy kicking quadraplegics?

Or is some humor at the expense of those that are ill not funny?

Do you also enjoy kicking quadraplegics?

Or is some humor at the expense of those that are ill not funny?

I might not kick um, but why not joke about um? There's a song on my iTunes to that effect!

Oh I just sit and cry, a quadruple amputee
I just hang around all day and watch TV
But that's the life of quadrapleg-ics
I'd play cards and I'd play scrabble,
Not just spend my days imagining a life where I had shins
Cos I've never had a date, hell I can't even masturbate
Oh if I only had some limbs

I might not kick um, but why not joke about um? There's a song on my iTunes to that effect!

Just as you are entitled to post tactless and offensive tripe and I can't stop you, I am entitled to point out your post is tactless and offensive tripe. :wink:

Just as you are entitled to post tactless and offensive tripe and I can't stop you, I am entitled to point out your post is tactless and offensive tripe. :wink:

Can't argue with that.

Intriguingly, according to some studies people with depression are more honest; they are less able to suppress their awareness of real and nasty circumstances within and without. (Go to wnyc.org/shows/radiolab and find the show "Deception.") For instance, that we and all the people we (most of the time) care about are all going to die. That we are often lonely and afraid. That we have deep flaws that probably aren't fixable.

I have depression, and many of the people I know also have it. Sometimes we get infuriated at the relative cheerfulness of the rest of the world, in the face of natural and man-made disaster, sheer human cussedness, etc. We have helped each other to appreciate one perspective that depression can bring-- at least when it's lifted enough to notice other people's problems, it can leave a residue of compassion and empathy.

If you have just one person to stick by you even while you face the worst about yourself and the world-- not to deny it but to say, "even so, here I am and I will listen and suffer with you"-- that can make all the difference in the world. Even if it's a paid therapist, or even if it's someone who is no happier than you. At least that's my experience. It doesn't make everything better but at least you aren't alone with your demons then.

I used to be like this :(

Now I take anti-depressents and Im like this :D


Well, thats a simplification. Im still moody. NSG can probably tell. ;)


Its hereditary for my family. Dad's side. I knew I had it when I was depressed and brooding all the time, even when I had no reason to be.

I used to be like this:

*searches for a smilie cutting its wrists and listening to the Deftones*

Now I take anti-depressants and I'm like this: -_- with bursts of :mad: and :(

I used to be like this:

*searches for a smilie cutting its wrists and listening to the Deftones*

*hugs*


Now I take anti-depressants and I'm like this: -_- with bursts of :mad: and :(

Youre doing it wrong.:p

Depressed. Not a word to be thrown around lightly. I can most closely associate myself with "Gomer Pile" in Full Metal Jacket, because I'm a Marine. Not just Depressed, but thoroughly insane. Except I'm in R. Lee Ermy's position. I feel like burning my subordinates alive and jumping in front of a... well, I can't think of a vehicle. Either way, I don't have half of the motivation needed to do either. I blame insomnia and the way high school tortured me. Not literally, but I was made to hate it.

This would probably go away if I could get laid.

*hugs*



Youre doing it wrong.:p

What? The pills go in your ears, right?

What? The pills go in your ears, right?

oooooh, ears, that's what I've been doing wrong!

Or is some humor at the expense of those that are ill not funny?

Nope. Nothing is sacred, everything is fair game.