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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Hate crimes experts and law enforcement officials are closely watching white supremacists across the country as Barack Obama prepares next week to be sworn in as the first black president of the United States.

So far, there is no known organized effort to express opposition to Obama's rise to the presidency other than a call by the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan for its members to wear black armbands as well as fly the U.S. flag upside down on Inauguration Day and Obama's first full day in office.*

As Tuesday approaches, when Obama stands outside the Capitol to take the oath of office, experts expect anger about the new president to spike. But they don't expect it to go away.

"The level of vitriol, I expect, will go up a bit more around inauguration time," said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino.

There "is concern" about white supremacist groups during the inauguration, said Joe Persichini, the assistant FBI director who is helping to oversee security during the inauguration. What might the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. have said? »

The inauguration of the nation's first minority president increases any potential threat, "particularly stemming from individuals on the extremist fringe of the white supremacist movement," said a recent intelligence assessment by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI.

But law enforcement has the appropriate resources to respond if needed, Persichini said.

"We have seen a lot of chatter," Persichini said. "We have seen a lot of discussions. We have seen some information via the Internet. But those are discussions. We look at the vulnerabilities and whether or not the groups are taking action.

"You have freedom of speech," he added. "Anyone in this nation can have a discussion about their beliefs, but we are concerned about whether or not they take that freedom of speech and exercise some act that is against the law."


Anger, violence and interest in racist ideology did increase in the hours and days after Obama was elected president in November, hate groups experts said.

Three New York men were indicted on charges of conspiracy to interfere with voting rights -- accused of targeting and attacking African-Americans in a brutal crime spree soon after Obama was declared the winner on November 4.

And interest in racist ideology was so high right after the election that computer servers for two White supremacist Web sites crashed, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.

But the violence and interest soon subsided. Leaders within the white supremacist movement are now seeking to capitalize on Obama's presidency by using his election to help grow their organizations.

"President-elect Obama is going to be the spark that arouses the 'white movement,' " reads a posting on the National Socialist Movement Web site. "Obama's win is our win. We should all be happy of this event."

In an interview posted on his Web site on election night, former Louisiana state Rep. David Duke said Obama's election "is good in one sense -- that it is making white people clear of the fact that that government in Washington, D.C., is not our government."

"We are beginning to learn and realize our positioning," Duke, a prominent white supremacist, later said in the election night recording. "And our position is that we have got to stand up and fight now."

Mark Potok, director of the SPLC's Intelligence Project, said the leaders of these groups are frustrated by Obama's win.

"I think the hate groups are desperately looking for a silver lining in a very dark cloud for them," Potok said.

While experts said it is difficult to determine how many people belong to hate groups, they do agree with an SPLC estimate that claims there are about 900 operating now, a 40 percent increase from 2000. The vast majority of these groups promote white supremacist beliefs, and range from skinheads living in urban areas to the KKK ,which is based largely in rural settings.

It is difficult to pinpoint how many people subscribe to white supremacist views, because the Internet allows people to follow the movement under the cloak of anonymity. Leaders of the white supremacist movement are able to use their Web sites to reach a new subset of potential followers and push their racist rhetoric to the limit without outright calling for violence.

Levin said one challenge in protecting Obama is that the identity of a potential attacker would likely be unknown -- a person who believes in white supremacist ideology, but decides to act as a lone wolf.

Threats of violence are more likely to be found on Web sites that allow posters to remain anonymous.

Most white supremacist leaders have been careful in what is posted on their Web sites, "hyper-aware that they are being watched," Potok said.

But not all white supremacist leaders are mindful of their actions or care to be. Two months before the election, American National Socialist Workers Party head Bill White posted a magazine cover on his Web site featuring a picture of Obama in the cross hairs of a rifle scope with a headline "Kill This N-----?"

White is now in jail on unrelated charges that he "threatened use of force against" a juror who had helped convict another white supremacist as well as several other charges of making threats to unrelated victims.

Racism in the U.S. "remains a real problem" even though Obama won the White House, Potok said, and he predicted that hate groups will continue to grow during Obama's presidency.

"I think we are in a very worrisome moment historically," Potok said. "I say that because there are several things converging that could foster the continued growth of these groups: continuing high levels of nonwhite immigration, the prediction by the Census Bureau that whites will lose their majority in 2042, the tanking economy, and what is seen as the final insult, the election of a black man to the White House."

Levin noted that it is common knowledge the U.S. Secret Service is taking great measures to protect Obama (who began receiving coverage in May 2007, the earliest point ever for a candidate in a presidential campaign), and emphasized it is a great challenge.

"President-elect Obama is so used to a public presence, and being among people poses some real difficulties for his protection," Levin said.


Well, thats interesting. White supremacist movements rose activity after Obama's election. Who would have thought.

Discuss.

*- Lolz. Children.

Didn't the Grand Wizard say they'd shoot Obama?

Didn't the Grand Wizard say they'd shoot Obama?

Fear the retarded right - they has majik!

God I hate the KKK...It makes my state and region look bad...stupid rednecks...

Wow, who knew that the KKK was still around, but they are probably all old and wrinkly now...ewww.....

*Imagines KKK members all walking with canes or in wheelchairs, trying to chant racist songs while watching their blood pressure and sugar intake*

Fear the retarded right - they has majik!

Who says that all of the right is retarded? What makes the left so smart?

Who says that all of the right is retarded? What makes the left so smart?

Our IQs.:p

Who says that all of the right is retarded? What makes the left so smart?

He said the "retarded right" as in the parts of the right that are retarded. Not as in "the right is retarded."

He said the "retarded right" as in the parts of the right that are retarded. Not as in "the right is retarded."

Thank you for clearing this up.

Our IQs.:p

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/11/politics-and-iq-conservative-democrats.html

I beg to differ, our IQ's are about the same. :)

God I hate the KKK...It makes my state and region look bad...stupid rednecks...

*Sigh* Im glad in Texas we are allowed to shoot the suckers on sight. ;)

Wow, who knew that the KKK was still around, but they are probably all old and wrinkly now...ewww.....

*Imagines KKK members all walking with canes or in wheelchairs, trying to chant racist songs while watching their blood pressure and sugar intake*

You'd be surprised...Problem is, they all have Spawn...Indoctrinated Spawn...What we should do is work on Neutering them...

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Hate crimes experts and law enforcement officials are closely watching white supremacists across the country as Barack Obama prepares next week to be sworn in as the first black president of the United States.

So far, there is no known organized effort to express opposition to Obama's rise to the presidency other than a call by the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan for its members to wear black armbands as well as fly the U.S. flag upside down on Inauguration Day and Obama's first full day in office.*
:D Too bad, so sad. :D

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The inauguration of the nation's first minority president increases any potential threat, "particularly stemming from individuals on the extremist fringe of the white supremacist movement," said a recent intelligence assessment by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI.
:eek2: Holy shit! How scary must those guys be?

But law enforcement has the appropriate resources to respond if needed, Persichini said.

"We have seen a lot of chatter," Persichini said. "We have seen a lot of discussions. We have seen some information via the Internet. But those are discussions. We look at the vulnerabilities and whether or not the groups are taking action.

"You have freedom of speech," he added. "Anyone in this nation can have a discussion about their beliefs, but we are concerned about whether or not they take that freedom of speech and exercise some act that is against the law."
See? They DO read NSG.

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And interest in racist ideology was so high right after the election that computer servers for two White supremacist Web sites crashed, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.
A horde of scared white boys running to their computers and typing "SIGN ME UP!!"?

But the violence and interest soon subsided. Leaders within the white supremacist movement are now seeking to capitalize on Obama's presidency by using his election to help grow their organizations.

"President-elect Obama is going to be the spark that arouses the 'white movement,' " reads a posting on the National Socialist Movement Web site. "Obama's win is our win. We should all be happy of this event."
He's everyone's president. :D

In an interview posted on his Web site on election night, former Louisiana state Rep. David Duke said Obama's election "is good in one sense -- that it is making white people clear of the fact that that government in Washington, D.C., is not our government."
Except David Duke's.

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"I think the hate groups are desperately looking for a silver lining in a very dark cloud for them," Potok said.
It's a pun! Get it? :D

Anyway, yes, I think we all knew this would happen.

You'd be surprised...Problem is, they all have Spawn...Indoctrinated Spawn...What we should do is work on Neutering them...

Great idea. Let's hunt them down, like some kind of Untermenschen.

You'd be surprised...Problem is, they all have Spawn...Indoctrinated Spawn...What we should do is work on Neutering them...

Lol!


Anyway, yes, I think we all knew this would happen.

Just like knowing that the sun will rise next morning.

He said the "retarded right" as in the parts of the right that are retarded. Not as in "the right is retarded."

At risk of modly ire the inability to read a rather simple sentence doesn't exactly bode well.

Great idea. Let's hunt them down, like some kind of Untermenschen.

lmao, I was thinking of something a little more passive...maybe hitting their water supplies or something, :p

In their minds, Obama is worse than black. He's half black. Even worse than that: He's a very intelligent, well educated, well spoken half black. He's living proof that racial mixing can produce greater results than what was mixed.

They really hate that. :)

In their minds, Obama is worse than black. He's half black. Even worse than that: He's a very intelligent, well educated, well spoken half black. He's living proof that racial mixing can produce greater results than what was mixed.

They really hate that. :)
His election is also proof that they are not winning the war for hearts and minds and that not everybody is a little bit racist, the way they like to claim. That indicates they have a long way to go before they'll be able to establish their White Paradise. They hate that, too.

Progress at last....

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/black-kkk-pink-klan-love-tolerance-demotivational-poster.jpg

Just found this on the net...... it's really worrying.

It all started when our protagonist, Jesus, woke up in a cornfield. It was the second time it had happened. Feeling abnormally pleased, Jesus poked a sock, thinking it would make him feel better (but as usual, it did not). Rather abruptly, he realized that his beloved Bible was missing! Immediately he called his sworn enemy, Bush. Jesus had known Bush for 20 years, the majority of which were enchanting ones. Bush was unique. He was outgoing though sometimes a little... clueless. Jesus called him anyway, for the situation was urgent.

Bush picked up to a very happy Jesus. Bush calmly assured him that most otters sneeze before mating, yet wallabies usually scandalously turn red *after* mating. He had no idea what that meant; he was only concerned with distracting Jesus. Why was Bush trying to distract Jesus? Because he had snuck out from Jesus's with the Bible only seven days prior. It was a striking little Bible... how could he resist?

It didn't take long before Jesus got back to the subject at hand: his Bible. Bush grimaced. Relunctantly, Bush invited him over, assuring him they'd find the Bible. Jesus grabbed his grandfather clock and disembarked immediately. After hanging up the phone, Bush realized that he was in trouble. He had to find a place to hide the Bible and he had to do it deftly. He figured that if Jesus took the Geo Metro, he had take at least eleven minutes before Jesus would get there. But if he took the Pickup Truck? Then Bush would be abundantly screwed.

Before he could come up with any reasonable ideas, Bush was interrupted by five pestering Blacks that were lured by his Bible. Bush grimaced; 'Not again', he thought. Feeling relieved, he randomly reached for his stapler and carefully attacked every last one of them. Apparently this was an adequate deterrent--the discouraged critters began to scurry back toward the jungle, squealing with discontent. He exhaled with relief. That's when he heard the Pickup Truck rolling up. It was Jesus.

As he pulled up, he felt a sense of urgency. He had had to make an unscheduled stop at McDonald's to pick up a 12-pack of forks, so he knew he was running late. With a skillful leap, Jesus was out of the Pickup Truck and went surreptitiously jaunting toward Bush's front door. Meanwhile inside, Bush was panicking. Not thinking, he tossed the Bible into a box of pencils and then slid the box behind his television. Bush was exasperated but at least the Bible was concealed. The doorbell rang.

'Come in,' Bush sassily purred. With a apt push, Jesus opened the door. 'Sorry for being late, but I was being chased by some oafish jerk in a '82 Corolla,' he lied. 'It's fine,' Bush assured him. Jesus took a seat nearby where Bush had hidden the Bible. Bush sneezed trying unsuccessfully to hide his nervousness. 'Uhh, can I get you anything?' he blurted. But Jesus was distracted. Unexpectedly, Bush noticed a clueless look on Jesus's face. Jesus slowly opened his mouth to speak.

'...What's that smell?'

Bush felt a stabbing pain in his face when Jesus asked this. In a moment of disbelief, he realized that he had hidden the Bible right by his oscillating fan. 'Wh-what? I don't smell anything..!' A lie. A clueless look started to form on Jesus's face. He turned to notice a box that seemed clearly out of place. 'Th-th-those are just my grandma's mittens from when she used to have pet wallabies. She, uh...dropped 'em by here earlier'. Jesus nodded with fake acknowledgement...then, before Bush could react, Jesus recklessly lunged toward the box and opened it. The Bible was plainly in view.

Jesus stared at Bush for what what must've been nine days. Subsequently, Bush groped charismatically in Jesus's direction, clearly desperate. Jesus grabbed the Bible and bolted for the door. It was locked. Bush let out a saucy chuckle. 'If only you hadn't been so protective of that thing, none of this would have happened, Jesus,' he rebuked. Bush always had been a little selfish, so Jesus knew that reconciliation was not an option; he needed to escape before Bush did something crazy, like... start chucking forks at him or something. Unexpectedly, he gripped his Bible tightly and made a dash toward the window, diving headlong through the glass panels.

Bush looked on, blankly. 'What the hell? That seemed excessive. The other door was open, you know.' Silence from Jesus. 'And to think, I varnished that window frame three days ago...it never ends!' Suddenly he felt a tinge of concern for Jesus. 'Oh. You ..okay?' Still silence. Bush walked over to the window and looked down. Jesus was gone.

Just yonder, Jesus was struggling to make his way through the bush behind Bush's place. Jesus had severely hurt his foot during the window incident, and was starting to lose strength. Another pack of feral Blacks suddenly appeared, having caught wind of the Bible. One by one they latched on to Jesus. Already weakened from his injury, Jesus yielded to the furry onslaught and collapsed. The last thing he saw before losing consciousness was a buzzing horde of Blacks running off with his Bible.

About three hours later, Jesus awoke, his face throbbing. It was dark and Jesus did not know where he was. Deep in the lonely vineyard, Jesus was excessively lost. All of a sudden, he remembered that his Bible was taken by the Blacks. But at that point, he was just thankful for his life. That's when, to his horror, a big Black emerged from the vineyard. It was the alpha Black. Jesus opened his mouth to scream but was cut short when the Black sunk its teeth into Jesus's face. With a faint groan, the life escaped from Jesus's lungs, but not before he realized that he was a failure.

Less than six miles away, Bush was entombed by anguish over the loss of the Bible. 'MY PRECIOUS!!' he cried, as he reached for a sharpened salt shaker. With a calculated thrust, he buried it deeply into his face. As the room began to fade to black, he thought about Jesus... wishing he had found the courage to tell him that he loved him. But he would die alone that day. All that remained was the Bible that had turned them against each other, ultimately causing their demise. And as the dew on melancholy sappling branches began to reflect the dawn's reddish glare, all that could be heard was the chilling cry of distant Blacks, desecrating all things sacred to virtuous men, and perpetuating an evil that would reign for centuries to come. Our heroes would've lived unhappily ever after, but they were too busy being dead. So, no one lived forever after, the end.

Just found this on the net...... it's really worrying.

... wut?

Just found this on the net...... it's really worrying.

tl;dr

Just found this on the net...... it's really worrying.
lol nice .. . thats just . . . odd though

Who says that all of the right is retarded? What makes the left so smart?
The leading spokesman of the right are Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaush, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly.

The leading spokesman of the right are Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaush, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly.

Yeah, this.

Rush Limbaush

Limbaugh.

The leading spokesman of the right are Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaush, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly.

Just because you disagree with them does not mean they're stupid, or ignorant. Besides, the left has it own counterparts to Ann, Rush, Sean, and Bill.

As for the spike in white power movements, it's not all that surprising. Every time the government changes parties, there is probably a spike in the opposition interest, it's just more obvious this time.

Just because you disagree with them does not mean they're stupid, or ignorant.

No, but what they say makes them stupid and ignorant.

Besides, the left has it own counterparts to Ann, Rush, Sean, and Bill

No one quite as brain-dead.

Just because you disagree with them does not mean they're stupid, or ignorant.

No, you're right. Their words, however, do.

No one quite as brain-dead.

Sure. Whatever helps you sleep at night, bucko.

Progress at last....

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/black-kkk-pink-klan-love-tolerance-demotivational-poster.jpg

XD! That made my day!

Just because you disagree with them does not mean they're stupid, or ignorant. Besides, the left has it own counterparts to Ann, Rush, Sean, and Bill.

I've yet to see anyone on the left calling for outright genocide like Coulter does. Or saying like genocide can be a good thing, like Coulter, Limbaugh, and I believe O'Reilly have.

I've yet to see anyone on the left calling for outright genocide like Coulter does. Or saying like genocide can be a good thing, like Coulter, Limbaugh, and I believe O'Reilly have.

They haven't called for a Christian country to be invaded and converted to Islam or Atheism either.

Really, who cares what the KKK says? I don't give a damn about Obama's skin color - I disagree with the views he has espoused. If I had a flag, it would already have been flown upside-down as a sign of distress due to Bush's actions anyway. It would remain upside-down after the inauguration whether Obama or McCain were ascending to office.

A horde of scared white boys running to their computers and typing "SIGN ME UP!!"?



Probably a combination of that and a lot of people looking to see what--if anything--the white supremicist groups intend to do.

If it weren't for the fact that it'd probably get me tagged for future watching, I'd be tempted to visit Stormfront or some other similar site just to see what they're saying. (And if I was really dumb, I'd even go so far as to sign up and troll them, laughing at their racism before getting banned. Unfortunately methinks this would lead to tracking down and potential beatings. :( )

Probably a combination of that and a lot of people looking to see what--if anything--the white supremicist groups intend to do.

If it weren't for the fact that it'd probably get me tagged for future watching, I'd be tempted to visit Stormfront or some other similar site just to see what they're saying. (And if I was really dumb, I'd even go so far as to sign up and troll them, laughing at their racism before getting banned. Unfortunately methinks this would lead to tracking down and potential beatings. :( )
Yeah, there's a reason why poking a hornets' nest is considered a bad idea.

Eh, they probably get enough people like that that it doesn't matter.

Didn't the Grand Wizard say they'd shoot Obama?
It's not Grand Wizard anymore! That sounds nerdy and stupid, it is GRAND DRAGON now!
Fear his breath of fire and iron scales. The only question, "Does the Secret Service know about the soft spot on his belly?"

It's not Grand Wizard anymore! That sounds nerdy and stupid, it is GRAND DRAGON now!
Fear his breath of fire and iron scales. The only question, "Does the Secret Service know about the soft spot on his belly?"

But what if he armors it with Jewels and Precious Metals?

But what if he armors it with Jewels and Precious Metals?

He'll miss a spot. One tiny crack in the armor.

So far, there is no known organized effort to express opposition to Obama's rise to the presidency other than a call by the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan for its members to wear black armbands as well as fly the U.S. flag upside down on Inauguration Day and Obama's first full day in office.*

That's the best they could come up with?

Now it's time to point and laugh.

That's the best they could come up with?


And that is a bad thing because?

And that is a bad thing because?

Seems kinda sad. It's like seeing a villain trapped under a rock. You know he's a bad guy and deserves to be under that rock, but at the same time, you just want to help him...

Seems kinda sad. It's like seeing a villain trapped under a rock. You know he's a bad guy and deserves to be under that rock, but at the same time, you just want to help him...

They could... take themselves hostage! Threaten to commit suicide if Obama doesn't resign.

But what if he armors it with Jewels and Precious Metals?
More like beer cans and confederate flags, but Cthulhu is correct (and from a place beyond time and reality), they always miss a spot. Quite conveniently, the one spot they miss is always one of the few places where you can land a one hit kill.
Dragons and Greek warriors are groovy like that.

*Sigh* Im glad in Texas we are allowed to shoot the suckers on sight. ;)

OP aside, isn't that pretty much the way the laws in Texas deal with well... everything?

I totally disagree! Water isn't wet at all! Or at least... not when it's freezing... eh... never mind...
* slips away *

More like beer cans and confederate flags, but Cthulhu is correct (and from a place beyond time and reality), they always miss a spot. Quite conveniently, the one spot they miss is always one of the few places where you can land a one hit kill.
Dragons and Greek warriors are groovy like that.

Nothing like a direct hit on the hood ornament to take out the entire vehicle.