NationStates Jolt Archive

Yeah, I had that wtf feeling too. It gets worse.
Krispy Kreme, being the genial purveyor of glazed goodness that it is, decided to get in on the Obama inauguration craze and is offering one free doughnut to every costumer on January 20, Inauguration day, and released this seemingly innocuous press release:

"Krispy Kreme Doughnuts, Inc. (NYSE: KKD) is honoring American's sense of pride and freedom of choice on Inauguration Day, by offering a free doughnut of choice to every customer on this historic day, Jan. 20. By doing so, participating Krispy Kreme stores nationwide are making an oath to tasty goodies -- just another reminder of how oh-so-sweet 'free' can be."

Well, The American Life League noticed the liberal use of the word choice and decided to blast the chain bakery for producing abortion doughnuts.

"The unfortunate reality of a post-Roe v. Wade America is that 'choice' is synonymous with abortion access, and celebration of 'freedom of choice' is a tacit endorsement of abortion rights on demand," the group's president, Judie Brown said in a statement.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php

Oh American Life League, how hard is it to believe that some people don't think about abortion 24/7 and relate every event of their lives to their position on it, even if you do?

Idiots are funny. :D :D

I was hoping that someone was handing out donuts to pro-choicers.

I want a donut.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm... abortion doughnut. A mouthful of fetus in every bite!

Thanks for destroying the last vestiges of my faith in humanity.

Teh stupid. It burns. And the fire grows greater every day.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm... abortion doughnut. A mouthful of fetus in every bite!

With stem cell frosting!

Okay, how about a compromise? The American Life League can have a free donut, but they don't get to choose what kind. Can we all just get along now?

There's so much stupid in here I don't know where to begin.

You think these morons ever protested NASA every time a launch was aborted?

i think they are right!

can i have their donut?

Okay, how about a compromise? The American Life League can have a free donut, but they don't get to choose what kind. Can we all just get along now?

We can rape them and then force them to eat a donut. Lets also force them to eat a donut even if its a threat to their health/life.

Wait....what? What?! How the fuck does anyone get abortion out of that?

God my brain hurts....if I had actual ear holes, blood would probably be coming out of them right now.

Pro life nuts what do you expect ???

edit opps wrong group

Wait....what? What?! How the fuck does anyone get abortion out of that?

God my brain hurts....if I had actual ear holes, blood would probably be coming out of them right now.
FREEDOM OF CHOICE, wil

what else could it possibly mean?

FREEDOM OF CHOICE, wil

what else could it possibly mean?

You know, if my opinion of humanity wasn't already deep within the Earth, this would probably get it to the core of the Earth.

Clearly we must pelt them with donuts. *nod*

Only terrorists don't like donuts.

Clearly we must pelt them with donuts. *nod*

Fetus-shaped donuts.

Fetus-shaped donuts.

fetus-shaped jelly donuts.

so they are going to boycott free donuts?

We can rape them and then force them to eat a donut.

stop being sexy.

fetus-shaped jelly donuts.

Fetus-shaped strawberry/raspberry jelly donuts.

I donut believe it :p

Good thing Obama ran his campaign on the word 'Change' and not 'Choice', though I shouldn't think this group voted for him anyway.

Yeah, I had that wtf feeling too. It gets worse.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php

Oh American Life League, how hard is it to believe that some people don't think about abortion 24/7 and relate every event of their lives to their position on it, even if you do?

Clearly, their true goal is to abort the philosophy of existentialism.

Yeah, I had that wtf feeling too. It gets worse.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php

Oh American Life League, how hard is it to believe that some people don't think about abortion 24/7 and relate every event of their lives to their position on it, even if you do?

I demand the right to choose not to have the right to choose!

I demand to be unable to choose! I want the American Pro-Life association to choose for me! :mad:

American Life League makes stupidity an art... they should open their own gallery.

I demand to be unable to choose! I want the American Pro-Life association to choose for me! :mad:

Clearly, this is the solution. The American Pro-Life Association should decide what kind of free doughnut everyone gets.

American Life League makes stupidity an art... they should open their own gallery.
They could share a space with PETA. Open up a Sea Kitten and Abortion Donut Emporium.

They could share a space with PETA. Open up a Sea Kitten and Abortion Donut Emporium.

I'd pay to go just for the pleasure of laughing at it. :D

I donut believe it :p
I thought about making that pun, but then I realized that this one would be cruller.

"We're giving two doughnuts to every woman that has ever aborted a child, one for her and one for the aborted mass of flesh!"

Mmm...

This is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time.

Also, this is the official death-knell of my diet. I am NOT missing a free Krispy Kreme blueberry cake donut (that's my choice, pro-lifers, and I'm sticking to it!) for anything.

This is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time.

Also, this is the official death-knell of my diet. I am NOT missing a free Krispy Kreme blueberry cake donut (that's my choice, pro-lifers, and I'm sticking to it!) for anything.

I really wish they'd have held that promotion until the 21st, I'm going to NY then.

Then again, I'm not an American citizen, so...

I really wish they'd have held that promotion until the 21st, I'm going to NY then.

Then again, I'm not an American citizen, so...

I doubt they'd ask you to prove citizenship before you get your donut. ;)

One day, in the present, a terrible thing happened.
- Pvt. Franklin Delano Donut

This is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time.

Also, this is the official death-knell of my diet. I am NOT missing a free Krispy Kreme blueberry cake donut (that's my choice, pro-lifers, and I'm sticking to it!) for anything.

I approve greatly. Poli is more awesome with carbs.

I approve greatly. Poli is more awesome with carbs.

Eh, I'll go back on a new diet shortly, but....free Krispy Kreme blueberry cake donut, dammit. Complete with a happy political message! How can I say no to that?

I approve greatly. Poli is more awesome with carbs.

At first I though that said "Poli is more awesome with crabs" and was like "?!?!?!?!?".

Donuts are almost as tasty as fetuses.

I really wish they'd have held that promotion until the 21st, I'm going to NY then.

Then again, I'm not an American citizen, so...

Do they have Krispy Kreme in NY?

Do they have Krispy Kreme in NY?

I don't know, and I'm arriving on the 21st anyways, so... :p

Do they have Krispy Kreme in NY?

You should familiarise yourself with the writings of the eminent 20th Century Russian-American philosopher, Ayn Rand. The answers are all there.

Clearly, this is the solution. The American Pro-Life Association should decide what kind of free doughnut everyone gets.
They aren't anti-choice, just against it when other people make a choice. Any association with 'America' in it should be allowed to make all our choices!

As much of an abomination as I think abortion is, linking free doughnuts to abortion really is the last stop on the bus to Crazy-town. Plus, with free donuts, I finally have a reason to look forward to Jan. 20th.

In a related but pointless aside: 'do-nut', 'donut', or 'doughnut?' Which? Plus, if 'cookies' are 'biscuits' in England, are 'doughnuts' still doughnuts, or are they 'fried cakes' or something?

Any association with 'America' in it should be allowed to make all our choices!

The ACLU certainly thinks so.

Donuts are almost as tasty as fetuses.

Hmm... or we could combine fetus and donuts to make...

Fetal Kolache!

I'd post something clever, but I'm too busy to fritter away my time here today.

The ACLU certainly thinks so.

ACLU?

What in the world does that stand for? "American Communist Lawyers Union"? My God, that'd be hilarious if that's what it stood for.:tongue:

In a related but pointless aside: 'do-nut', 'donut', or 'doughnut?' Which?
"Do nut", as in "Do nut abort yu' babeh!"

Or if you're not as much pro-life as you are pro-transfat: "Lard, protect the unbjorn lives!"

ACLU?

What in the world does that stand for? "American Communist Lawyers Union"? My God, that'd be hilarious if that's what it stood for.:tongue:

American Civil Liberties Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aclu). They are to the rest of the constitution what the the NRA is to the 2nd amendment.

Just makes me really want a Doughnut, lol....

American Civil Liberties Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aclu). They are to the rest of the constitution what the the NRA is to the 2nd amendment.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

ACLU?

What in the world does that stand for? "American Communist Lawyers Union"? My God, that'd be hilarious if that's what it stood for.:tongue:

Yeah, so far they've managed to evade the truth in advertising laws. They're sneaky like that, comes with being lawyers. As for doughnuts, out here in the woods, all we get are bearclaws.

As for doughnuts, out here in the woods, all we get are bearclaws.

Mmmm... Unbjorns :fluffle:

Mmmm... Unbjorns :fluffle:
Swedish fetuses? Are they extra tasty?

You'd think I'd have better things to do than fritter my time away on this thread(or has someone already hit that one?)

You'd think I'd have better things to do than fritter my time away on this thread(or has someone already hit that one?)

Yes, post #47.

Yeah, so far they've managed to evade the truth in advertising laws. They're sneaky like that, comes with being lawyers. As for doughnuts, out here in the woods, all we get are bearclaws.

It's a good thing the ACLU represents everyone with a claim. Even those who'd use such incredibly stupid language to describe them.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

No I don't.......

American Civil Liberties Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aclu). They are to the rest of the constitution what the the NRA is to the 2nd amendment.

Imagine if they teamed up to form some sort of Legion of Doom...The Destruction they could Wrought!

Imagine if they teamed up to form some sort of Legion of Doom...The Destruction they could Wrought!

They actually have teamed up before.

Yeah, I had that wtf feeling too. It gets worse.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php

Oh American Life League, how hard is it to believe that some people don't think about abortion 24/7 and relate every event of their lives to their position on it, even if you do?

Someone should point out that choice is also synonymous with democracy and freedom, then accuse the American Life League of hating freedom, democracy and America.

American Civil Liberties Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aclu). They are to the rest of the constitution what the the NRA is to the 2nd amendment.

Ah. I still love how neatly that acronym fit.:D

Lol wtf?!

I want a free donut though.

PS: I thought it was spelled doughnut?

I like my donuts glazed in a sweet, sugary coating of unborn babies.

I was hoping that someone was handing out donuts to pro-choicers.

I want a donut.

I was hoping the donuts caused abortions. Not that I'm pregnant at the moment, but you never know, and donuts keep for awhile.

Lol wtf?!

I want a free donut though.

PS: I thought it was spelled doughnut?
It is, but "donut" has become an acceptable abbreviation for us lazy types. I guess it's because it was used on so many doughnut shop signs since the 1950s that people are just used to seeing it. In the US.

I was hoping the donuts caused abortions. Not that I'm pregnant at the moment, but you never know, and donuts keep for awhile.
They don't keep very long. o.0

They don't keep very long. o.0

Like I said, you never know.

Anyway, if a fresh donut caused an abortion, it's not like a stale donut could do a worse job, right?

...I don't even know anymore.

Like I said, you never know.

Anyway, if a fresh donut caused an abortion, it's not like a stale donut could do a worse job, right?

...I don't even know anymore.
Well, yeah, I guess. If you dipped it in coffee.

How could you abort something as cute as a baby donut?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/379367269_d9ad6538b6.jpg

Is it a donut when it is still in the oven?

Do donuts have full donut rights before it comes out of the oven?

Should bakers have the right to stop making donuts halfway through the baking process?

Like I said, you never know.

Anyway, if a fresh donut caused an abortion, it's not like a stale donut could do a worse job, right?

...I don't even know anymore.

Maybe a stale donut causes the fetus to rapidly gestate?

It's a good thing the ACLU represents everyone with a claim. Even those who'd use such incredibly stupid language to describe them.

English isn't a stupid language. It's tricky to learn, granted, but not stupid. Now Esperanto, that's a stupid language.

Wow! Just wow! Straining at gnats has reached a new low. What kind of convoluted reasoning could come to the conclusion that freedom of choice = pro abortion?

Of course, using this method of "logic," I can see the other fundy alarmists deciding that American pride = gay pride.

Therefore, we must assume that Krispy Kreme is pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage. Who knew that it was unAmerican to love freedom and be proud of it?

This is from the same group of people that bomb abortion clinics, killing pregnant mothers and anyone else in the area without descretion. Its not surprising...

Someone should point out that choice is also synonymous with democracy and freedom, then accuse the American Life League of hating freedom, democracy and America.

Why accuse them? They do...

I wonder what they thought of the Kids' Choice Awards in the US...

>.>

I wonder what they thought of the Kids' Choice Awards in the US...

>.>

Why?

English isn't a stupid language. It's tricky to learn, granted, but not stupid. Now Esperanto, that's a stupid language.

Smarter than the language you used to decry an agency that protects everyone's civil liberties. Even yours, should you ever need them defended.

Smarter than the language you used to decry an agency that protects everyone's civil liberties. Even yours, should you ever need them defended.

I'm sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have a negative opinion about the group that supposedly protects people's rights to have negative opinions about things. Whoops. Besides, I have a sneaky suspicion that if I ever need to defend my civil liberties, I'll find S&W or H&K much more useful than the ACLU.

And Esperanto is a stupid language. Who speaks Esperanto? Probably the same people who speak Klingon, or Elvish, and who have Star Wars weddings

I'm sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have a negative opinion about the group that supposedly protects people's rights to have negative opinions about things. Whoops. Besides, I have a sneaky suspicion that if I ever need to defend my civil liberties, I'll find S&W or H&K much more useful than the ACLU.

And Esperanto is a stupid language. Who speaks Esperanto? Probably the same people who speak Klingon, or Elvish, and who have Star Wars weddings

You're allowed to have any opinion you like, just as I'm allowed to point out that you've got no basis for it in reality, and that the very organization you're slagging would defend your right to do so, were it ever abridged.

In short, you're berating an organization you've probably been told is something you should oppose, but in fact you know very little about. Easy, sure, but hardly wise.

Why accuse them? They do...

You have to publicize it, slap it in their face and get the crowd baying for blood, or else no one cares. Push them on the defensive, don't just shrug and go "meh, they do it all the time", because that's pretty much a free pass to do as they like.

You have to publicize it, slap it in their face and get the crowd baying for blood, or else no one cares. Push them on the defensive, don't just shrug and go "meh, they do it all the time", because that's pretty much a free pass to do as they like.

I was answering why we should accuse them of it, not saying why bother because we know.

You have to publicize it, slap it in their face and get the crowd baying for blood, or else no one cares. Push them on the defensive, don't just shrug and go "meh, they do it all the time", because that's pretty much a free pass to do as they like.

Very Dawkinsy argument. Something like "the moderates are no better than the extremists because they do not censure or oppose them". Nice one.

You should familiarise yourself with the writings of the eminent 20th Century Russian-American philosopher, Ayn Rand. The answers are all there.

Ayn Rand: Bioshock is the only good thing that she has any connection with!

You're allowed to have any opinion you like, just as I'm allowed to point out that you've got no basis for it in reality.

Thank you for the gracious permission re: my opinions. That's a load off my mind, let me tell you. I've lost no end of sleep.

In short, you're berating an organization you've probably been told is something you should oppose, but in fact you know very little about. Easy, sure, but hardly wise.

You're making a hell of alot of assumptions there. Easy, sure, but hardly wise. But then, I could see how you might jump to those conclusions. I mean, if someone disagrees with you, it couldn't possibly be because they had thought-out and reasoned opinions of their own. It must be because they were parroting things they had been told by someone else.

Thank you for the gracious permission re: my opinions. That's a load off my mind, let me tell you. I've lost no end of sleep.

Glad to be of service.

You're making a hell of alot of assumptions there. Easy, sure, but hardly wise. But then, I could see how you might jump to those conclusions. I mean, if someone disagrees with you, it couldn't possibly be because they had thought-out and reasoned opinions of their own. It must be because they were parroting things they had been told by someone else.

I cannot assume what you are so clearly demonstrating by merely talking shit about the ACLU without saying a thing about why you think they're so evil. You had ample opportunity, and the fact that you didn't before I challenged you to proves you have no real beef beyond conservative talking points. If you did, you'd have mentioned them by now. As it is now, any you DO manage to dredge up will be highly suspect.

I was answering why we should accuse them of it, not saying why bother because we know.

The simplest answer I can give to this is to create a wider pool of people opposed to them and dismantle whatever credibility they have. If they want to have a credible argument, they need to use one that makes sense, not trash like this.

Very Dawkinsy argument. Something like "the moderates are no better than the extremists because they do not censure or oppose them". Nice one.

"All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing"

It's rather simple really. If no one opposes a message, no matter how vile or horrific it is, eventually, it becomes mainstream.

You might say opposing it legitimizes the message, but does it really? Say a lie enough times, and sure enough, there will be enough suckers who will fall for it to make a significant demographic. And at the end of the day, the moderates become the new extremists for not holding the mainstream view. History has borne this through.

I cannot assume what you are so clearly demonstrating by merely talking shit about the ACLU without saying a thing about why you think they're so evil. You had ample opportunity, and the fact that you didn't before I challenged you to proves you have no real beef beyond conservative talking points. If you did, you'd have mentioned them by now. As it is now, any you DO manage to dredge up will be highly suspect.

I told some other guy this too. One of the snotty lawyers, I think it was. I'm not interested in being your intellectual nemesis, or being the "conservative counter-balance", or anything like that. I could give two fucks whether anybody here thinks I'm in their 'intellectual league' or whatever-the-hell. I'll make jokes, talk shit, make snide comments about people or organizations I don't like, because it entertains me. I don't feel obligated to provide arguments, or sources, or back up anything, really, because most of the things I say don't need or deserve to be taken that seriously. Besides, nothing I say is going to change your mind in any real fashion about anything you hold dear anyway. So why bother. Know that the only thing I take less seriously than all of you is myself.

"All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing"

It's rather simple really. If no one opposes a message, no matter how vile or horrific it is, eventually, it becomes mainstream.

You might say opposing it legitimizes the message, but does it really? Say a lie enough times, and sure enough, there will be enough suckers who will fall for it to make a significant demographic. And at the end of the day, the moderates become the new extremists for not holding the mainstream view. History has borne this through.

Fairly recently, at that.

I told some other guy this too. One of the snotty lawyers, I think it was. I'm not interested in being your intellectual nemesis, or being the "conservative counter-balance", or anything like that. I could give two fucks whether anybody here thinks I'm in their 'intellectual league' or whatever-the-hell. I'll make jokes, talk shit, make snide comments about people or organizations I don't like, because it entertains me. I don't feel obligated to provide arguments, or sources, or back up anything, really, because most of the things I say don't need or deserve to be taken that seriously. Besides, nothing I say is going to change your mind in any real fashion about anything you hold dear anyway. So why bother. Know that the only thing I take less seriously than all of you is myself.

Fair enough. All bluster and no substance. Got it.

Fair enough. All bluster and no substance. Got it.

And the award for 'Best Poster Completely Missing The Point' goes to...

Fairly recently, at that.


Not just recently. Propaganda has always been one of the tools to get the masses to adopt whatever view you want for at least several thousand years. Propaganda and stifling dissenting views (usually this translates to book burning and killing intellectuals/scholars) but the latter isn't so important these days. The only difference is that mass media made propaganda much easier to spread and more effective.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm... abortion doughnut. A mouthful of fetus in every bite!

OH MY! Doughnuts contain pulverised Ru-486! AYEEE!!! Doughnuts kill babiez! Destroy doughnuts! BURN BURN BURN!!!

:D I somewhat love idiots, but I'm also scared by them. I am a pervert, I guess.

Thanks for destroying the last vestiges of my faith in humanity.

Really? I mean, free doughnuts is definitely a +faith for me.

Yeah, I had that wtf feeling too. It gets worse.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php

Oh American Life League, how hard is it to believe that some people don't think about abortion 24/7 and relate every event of their lives to their position on it, even if you do?
They're giving free doughnuts to costumers? Should I go with 18th century or 12th?

You know I never got the appeal with Krispy Kreme. I've had a couple and they aren't anything special, just normal doughnuts really.

Do they have Krispy Kreme in NY?
Yes, in Penn Station's concourse.

If you think Krispy Kreme's not that great, you haven't had the plain frosted right out of the oven then, I guess. Believe me, that's my fave and the only way to eat em in my opinion.

You know I never got the appeal with Krispy Kreme. I've had a couple and they aren't anything special, just normal doughnuts really.

Free food tastes better.

Eating a doughnut is the equivalent of killing a baby!

You know I never got the appeal with Krispy Kreme. I've had a couple and they aren't anything special, just normal doughnuts really.

The creme is a bit sweeter, I've noticed.

Wouldn't them being normal donuts qualify them also for being special?

I told some other guy this too. One of the snotty lawyers, I think it was. I'm not interested in being your intellectual nemesis, or being the "conservative counter-balance", or anything like that. I could give two fucks whether anybody here thinks I'm in their 'intellectual league' or whatever-the-hell. I'll make jokes, talk shit, make snide comments about people or organizations I don't like, because it entertains me. I don't feel obligated to provide arguments, or sources, or back up anything, really, because most of the things I say don't need or deserve to be taken that seriously. Besides, nothing I say is going to change your mind in any real fashion about anything you hold dear anyway. So why bother. Know that the only thing I take less seriously than all of you is myself.

I bet your only other hobby is shouting at walls, right?

I bet your only other hobby is shouting at walls, right?

HEY! Shouting at Walls is a perfectly acceptable and normal form of entertainment!!! Its protected by the Constitution!! :mad:



:p

And the award for 'Best Poster Completely Missing The Point' goes to...

Wait, I missed the point of you saying "I'm belligerent and fire off assertions while steadfastly declining to back them up, so deal with it"? You'll have to show me how, 'cause I wasn't the only one who made the "mistake" of reading the words you typed and thinking that "all bluster and no substance" just night be accurate:

I bet your only other hobby is shouting at walls, right?

Or are you going to claim she misssed the point, too?

Serioulsy, H, I don't care if you don't care. Problem is, you keep posting like you do. So which is it?

What. The. Frak.

This thread caused me to have a dream about buying a tin (an x-mas tin shaped like a snowman) of Krispy Kreme donuts. Each one was individually wrapped in wax paper. When I opened the top one, a perfect little fetus was in the middle, fashioned from sugar and dough. It was delicious! I woke up with a mouthful of pillow.

This thread caused me to have a dream about buying a tin (an x-mas tin shaped like a snowman) of Krispy Kreme donuts. Each one was individually wrapped in wax paper. When I opened the top one, a perfect little fetus was in the middle, fashioned from sugar and dough. It was delicious! I woke up with a mouthful of pillow.

Ooh, tasty dream. :)

This thread caused me to have a dream about buying a tin (an x-mas tin shaped like a snowman) of Krispy Kreme donuts. Each one was individually wrapped in wax paper. When I opened the top one, a perfect little fetus was in the middle, fashioned from sugar and dough. It was delicious! I woke up with a mouthful of pillow.

There once was a man from Peru
Who dreamed he was eating his shoe
Awaking with fright
In the darkness of night
He found it was perfectly true.

Ooh, tasty dream. :)

Krispy Kreme Doughnuts and Abortions. Fresh fetusy goodness from both ovens.

Yeah, I had that wtf feeling too. It gets worse.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php

Oh American Life League, how hard is it to believe that some people don't think about abortion 24/7 and relate every event of their lives to their position on it, even if you do?

Free Krispy Kreme doughnuts? IIRC, there's 3 Krispy Kreme locations inside Mohegan Sun. Wheeeee! 3 free doughnuts! :D

"All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing"

"If they do not all condemn it, then they all support it."

"If they do not all condemn it, then they all support it."

Nice straw man Gauthier. I would have expected you to read closer what I had written. If no one opposes something that is being promoted, then eventually it becomes mainstream.

Free Krispy Kreme doughnuts? IIRC, there's 3 Krispy Kreme locations inside Mohegan Sun. Wheeeee! 3 free doughnuts! :D

Be certain to wipe the crumbs from your shirt before the second and third stops.

Be certain to wipe the crumbs from your shirt before the second and third stops.

Thanks for the reminder. :D

Mmmmmmmmmmmm... abortion doughnut. A mouthful of fetus in every bite!There *has* to be a pic, .gif, or smilie for this.
Tasteful, of course.

Nice straw man Gauthier. I would have expected you to read closer what I had written. If no one opposes something that is being promoted, then eventually it becomes mainstream.

Is that why the Jews don't run the world or become more numerous? Too much opposition?

If no one opposes something that is being promoted, then eventually it becomes mainstream.

For a given value of 'eventually', maybe. And a given value of 'promoted.' And I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'mainstream.' And by what else is being promoted that competes with or offsets whatever the 'something' is.

Is that why the Jews don't run the world or become more numerous? Too much opposition?

I was referring to mentalities and concepts like those the ALL are trying to promote. And if you'll look in only just the last what, 70 years, you'll find it's quite true. Tell a lie unopposed enough times, and most will end up believing it. Heck, tell a lie opposed, but keep on shouting it from the rooftops, and you'll still be able to persuade most people. From Nigerian scams to selling wars of conquests, it's all there.

I was referring to mentalities and concepts like those the ALL are trying to promote. And if you'll look in only just the last what, 70 years, you'll find it's quite true. Tell a lie unopposed enough times, and most will end up believing it. Heck, tell a lie opposed, but keep on shouting it from the rooftops, and you'll still be able to persuade most people. From Nigerian scams to selling wars of conquests, it's all there.

I agree.

Yeah, I had that wtf feeling too. It gets worse.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php

Oh American Life League, how hard is it to believe that some people don't think about abortion 24/7 and relate every event of their lives to their position on it, even if you do?
They should make special fruitcake donuts just for these people. . . Perhaps give them only the donut fruitcake "holes" as a choice. . . .

It's awfully stupid of them to jump to conclusions, but I suppose they might have a bit of a point about "choice" having abortion connotations, though. Both sides of the debate use empty slogans (ie. "pro-life" and "pro-choice") and unfortunately, this infects the use of the words by so associating them with a certain stance on one issue.

It's like the idea that rainbows are somehow a symbol of homosexuality; rainbows are a result of the refraction of light by water droplets, so it would be more logical for rainbows to be a symbol of interest in the physics of light and colour than for it to be a symbol of homosexuality. And whenever a group lashes out at someone who uses the rainbow flag not knowing what it means, it's partly their fault, but it's also partly the fault of those who create such illogical associations in the first place.

It's awfully stupid of them to jump to conclusions, though what else would you expect from people dumb enough to believe in something as unscientific as "souls"?

Quite a lot of very intelligent people believe that people have souls; there's nothing particularly dumb about such a belief - nor, for that matter, is there anything remotely dumb about holding "unscientific" beliefs in general. That's kinda why they're beliefs, because they can't be tested and proven. Duh.

Jumping to ridiculous conclusions without thinking, now, that's pretty dumb, no matter who's doing it.

Quite a lot of very intelligent people believe that people have souls; there's nothing particularly dumb about such a belief - nor, for that matter, is there anything remotely dumb about holding "unscientific" beliefs in general. That's kinda why they're beliefs, because they can't be tested and proven. Duh.
If they're intelligent, then why would they accept one set of unprovable claims over other sets of unprovable claims? You don't hear people say that killing fetuses would make the invisible dragons angry...

EDIT: To be fair, though, perhaps I was a tad over-the-top in my earlier post...

EDIT2: Changed the earlier post. What do you think now?

It's awfully stupid of them to jump to conclusions, but I suppose they might have a bit of a point about "choice" having abortion connotations, though. Both sides of the debate use empty slogans (ie. "pro-life" and "pro-choice") and unfortunately, this infects the use of the words by so associating them with a certain stance on one issue.

It's like the idea that rainbows are somehow a symbol of homosexuality; rainbows are a result of the refraction of light by water droplets, so it would be more logical for rainbows to be a symbol of interest in the physics of light and colour than for it to be a symbol of homosexuality. And whenever a group lashes out at someone who uses the rainbow flag not knowing what it means, it's partly their fault, but it's also partly the fault of those who create such illogical associations in the first place.

Didn't you notice the blatant use of the word "pride." in the article? Certainly, if you follow the logic of American Life, an overt proclamation in support of homosexuality!

It's awfully stupid of them to jump to conclusions, but I suppose they might have a bit of a point about "choice" having abortion connotations, though. Both sides of the debate use empty slogans (ie. "pro-life" and "pro-choice") and unfortunately, this infects the use of the words by so associating them with a certain stance on one issue.

It's like the idea that rainbows are somehow a symbol of homosexuality; rainbows are a result of the refraction of light by water droplets, so it would be more logical for rainbows to be a symbol of interest in the physics of light and colour than for it to be a symbol of homosexuality. And whenever a group lashes out at someone who uses the rainbow flag not knowing what it means, it's partly their fault, but it's also partly the fault of those who create such illogical associations in the first place.
So now we're not allowed to have logos? Yeah, the graphic artists guild will thank you for that. Not.

So now we're not allowed to have logos? Yeah, the graphic artists guild will thank you for that. Not.
Of course you're "allowed" to have "logos" but you should be willing to ask yourself why that particular logo and consider what the potential effects of having such a logo would be.

You should also consider what the potential effects of sharing the same water fountain would be. People might get angry!

Of course you're "allowed" to have "logos" but you should be willing to ask yourself why that particular logo and consider what the potential effects of having such a logo would be.
*looks above*

*looks below*
You should also consider what the potential effects of sharing the same water fountain would be. People might get angry!

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

It's awfully stupid of them to jump to conclusions, but I suppose they might have a bit of a point about "choice" having abortion connotations, though. Both sides of the debate use empty slogans (ie. "pro-life" and "pro-choice") and unfortunately, this infects the use of the words by so associating them with a certain stance on one issue.

There are all sorts of slogans out there. Sometimes, they use English words.

That doesn't really negate or even lessen the stupidity of assuming that any use of the word "choice" equates to talking about abortion.

You should also consider what the potential effects of sharing the same water fountain would be. People might get angry!
What would you say the similarity is? It's not like the symbol "rainbow" is shared between homosexuality and heterosexuality; it's a symbol arbitrarily associated with homosexuality, when as I pointed out, what the rainbow comes from would make it more logical for it to be a symbol of the physics of light and colour.

There are all sorts of slogans out there. Sometimes, they use English words.

That doesn't really negate or even lessen the stupidity of assuming that any use of the word "choice" equates to talking about abortion.
Not quite; jumping to conclusions is the core of the problem, but the fact that people so often associate certain positions on certain issues with specific words isn't really helping, especially for those who would be so used to hearing the word used that way that it would only make them more fixated on that association.

Not quite; jumping to conclusions is the core of the problem, but the fact that people so often associate certain positions on certain issues with specific words isn't really helping, especially for those who would be so used to hearing the word used that way that it would only make them more fixated on that association.

So......you're saying that no one should ever use any type of label for their positions? Because people who fixate on that particular issue might be dumb enough to think nobody else ever uses the words in that label for anything else?

So......you're saying that no one should ever use any type of label for their positions? Because people who fixate on that particular issue might be dumb enough to think nobody else ever uses the words in that label for anything else?
IIRC, the people in question weren't so much claiming it HAD to be about abortion, just that they were pointing out how synonymous it had become with what they saw; they granted the possiblity that it might have been an unfortunate choice of words.

Personally, I don't like the labels "pro-choice" and "pro-life" anyway, if only because the former asserts itself as being inherent in permissiveness and the latter asserts itself as inherent in respect for human life. If people want convenient shorthands for "in favour of legal abortions" and "against legal abortions" then why couldn't they think of something else?

IIRC, the people in question weren't so much claiming it HAD to be about abortion, just that they were pointing out how synonymous it had become with what they saw; they granted the possiblity that it might have been an unfortunate choice of words.

Personally, I don't like the labels "pro-choice" and "pro-life" anyway, if only because the former asserts itself as being inherent in permissiveness and the latter asserts itself as inherent in respect for human life. If people want convenient shorthands for "in favour of legal abortions" and "against legal abortions" then why couldn't they think of something else?

You should write the UN Special Committee on Political Labels and protest the injustice and inaccuracy of those commonly used in the abortion debate!!!

After all, being in favor of a women's right to choose and not necessarily in favor of abortion couldn't possibly be summarized as "pro-choice."

Moreover, the UN Special Committee should prevent any other use of any words used as a political label. Otherwise we will have the very reasonable confusion complained about in this thread.

Let me know where I can sign the petition on this!!

Man, I've killed so many freaking babies it is about time that somebody offered me a donut.

IIRC, the people in question weren't so much claiming it HAD to be about abortion, just that they were pointing out how synonymous it had become with what they saw; they granted the possiblity that it might have been an unfortunate choice of words.

But stated that, even if they didn't really mean it that way, it was still an endorsement of abortion.

Personally, I don't like the labels "pro-choice" and "pro-life" anyway, if only because the former asserts itself as being inherent in permissiveness and the latter asserts itself as inherent in respect for human life. If people want convenient shorthands for "in favour of legal abortions" and "against legal abortions" then why couldn't they think of something else?

I don't really have a problem with the label "pro-choice", but I do have a problem with the term "pro-life". The former does describe what is being advocated (within the context of abortion, of course), but the latter does not. The term "pro-life" implies that the person is in favor of preserving life. However, it does not directly speak to their position on the legality of abortion.

Another possibility, of course, could be pro-ban and anti-ban.

The former does describe what is being advocated (within the context of abortion, of course)
Well, depends what you consider "choice"; anti-abortionists could argue that the "fetus" doesn't have a choice.

Pro-ban vs. anti-ban sounds better, though it's still not that abortion-specific. Couldn't they create new words for it or something?

Well, depends what you consider "choice"; anti-abortionists could argue that the "fetus" doesn't have a choice.

The choice is in whether or not to have an abortion. Unless the fetus is pregnant, it wouldn't make sense to apply the term to fetus, even if it were capable of making choices.

Pro-ban vs. anti-ban sounds better, though it's still not that abortion-specific. Couldn't they create new words for it or something?

Why? Are human beings incapable of understanding context?

Why? Are human beings incapable of understanding context?

Yes. Imagine how confused we would be if we had words that sounded alike, or were even SPELLED the same way, with two entirely different meanings!

Yes. Imagine how confused we would be if we had words that sounded alike, or were even SPELLED the same way, with two entirely different meanings!
What! Why then what would lead us to the lead mines, or whoever could ever have led us away again? When I read that suggestion, I saw red so badly, I could read no more.

Why? Are human beings incapable of understanding context? seeing as how we have people who can't differentiate between choosing a donut, and choosing to abort a baby.... I'd say no.

seeing as how we have people who can't differentiate between choosing a donut, and choosing to abort a baby.... I'd say no.

Well, there will always be some...

These are often the same people who are incapable of understanding the fact that there is a difference between civil and religious marriage.

But things would be rather boring if we had to make everything easily understood by the least intelligent among us.

Yes. Imagine how confused we would be if we had words that sounded alike, or were even SPELLED the same way, with two entirely different meanings!

What's that about a wee wood bee? I'm so confused! :tongue:

Man, I've killed so many freaking babies it is about time that somebody offered me a donut.Socksplatter, of its own, isn't likely to grow into a "baby", per se.
Oddly enough - weren't you using a donut most of those times?

Why? Are human beings incapable of understanding context?

Depends on if they're on Internet forums at the time or not.