NationStates Jolt Archive

I was thinking the other night (yeah I know that has never gone down well) about how people always complain about morality laws but then I remembered the old criticism: what of animal rights?

so what morality laws does NS think should stay? (obviously slavery and the like have economic consequences so thats not what I want to see...why don't you talk about getting naked?)

Define morality law.

I'm fully prepared to not give a damn about animals. Law is a human invention, therefore applies to humans.

Define morality law.

a law with no practical purpose but just exists out of human nature like censorship erm...breastfeeding in public or disagreeing with Terry Wogan

note: just listing examples it kinda hard work to find ones I agree with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_morality

I'm fully prepared to not give a damn about animals. Law is a human invention, therefore applies to humans.

would that apply to all cases? course what you was supposed to do was think up examples of your own

a law with no practical purpose but just exists out of human nature like censorship erm...breastfeeding in public or disagreeing with Terry Wogan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_morality

Slavery laws have a practical purpose, they keep people from being treated like non-people.

I would repeal a lot of the liquor laws in my area, they're stupid.

I was thinking the other night (yeah I know that has never gone down well) about how people always complain about morality laws but then I remembered the old criticism: what of animal rights?

so what morality laws does NS think should stay? (obviously slavery and the like have economic consequences so thats not what I want to see...why don't you talk about getting naked?)

Have you been to America? Half of the people in this country are obese. There's no way I'd want to see them naked.

all law is morality law, unless you want to define it as having "no practical purpose" in which case..no law is strictly a morality law.

All law can have some vaguely legitimate goal, but all laws are based on what we as a society find acceptable.

Slavery laws have a practical purpose, they keep people from being treated like non-people.

that what I was getting at things like slavery do have a practical use (though why should why we treat non-citizens like people could make an interesting devils advocate)

but does that means we have animal rights laws to stop animals from being treated like non-animals?

I would repeal a lot of the liquor laws in my area, they're stupid.

but what the separate laws of being drunk and disorderly as opposed to laws against the crimes a drunk may commit?

Have you been to America? Half of the people in this country are obese. There's no way I'd want to see them naked.

so you would be in favour of a rating system so that it doesn't harm others?

all laws are based on what we as a society find acceptable.

I don't know about that, sociaty as a whole would be supportive of bringing back hanging if the tabloids are blowing that way (bunch of poo hurling primates as we are)

I'm all in favour of capital punishment, as are the majority of young tories I've encountered; it isn't really a tabloid phenomenon.

Beyond that, I'd happily repeal the prohobition of prostitution, since it would benefit prostitute, customer, police and government, and there is no objective, amoral basis for its' illegality.

And animal rights laws can be abjured; in light of contemporary social tensions, juvenile crime and such, it strikes me as somewhat trivial to occupy the juridical process at large with the mistreatment of Dobbin on Blackpool beach.

Law is always going to be based on our own sense of 'morality' as a society.

but what the separate laws of being drunk and disorderly as opposed to laws against the crimes a drunk may commit?
No, like the actual laws pertaining to liquor, like "beer can't be sold unless it's at room temperature" and "the liquor stores will be closed on Sundays and holidays and any other day we want to arbitrarily close them".

Law is always going to be based on our own sense of 'morality' as a society.

Naturally, but I suspect the issue CoP raises relates to contemporary societies in which a myriad different moral codes exist, with differing opinions, and the extent to which a legal corpus based largely on "Christian" morality must adapt to reconcile itself to this.

Compulsory nudity should be a law to be pass soon. Yup.

Law is always going to be based on our own sense of 'morality' as a society.

This, and so long as society evolves, law should evolve with it.

I don't know about that, sociaty as a whole would be supportive of bringing back hanging if the tabloids are blowing that way (bunch of poo hurling primates as we are)

Your example only seems to prove NA's point, in your hypothetical, society as a whole would view hanging as ok, how it got to be that way is unimportant to his statement.

Compulsory nudity should be a law to be pass soon. Yup.

it would stop tan lines dead wouldn't it (course I live in England so the taps may freeze if you catch my drift)

This, and so long as society evolves, law should evolve with it.

what about if said laws interfere with human rights like savages catching slaves or something?

Your example only seems to prove NA's point, in your hypothetical, society as a whole would view hanging as ok, how it got to be that way is unimportant to his statement.

but the British public is in favour of killing whoever is giving public outrage at any given moment iirc

but we don't

but the British public is in favour of killing whoever is giving public outrage at any given moment iirc

but we don't

maybe because there are laws in the way, that if polled, the public wouldn't be in favor of changing, or that the "outrage" is a bit exaggerated. However, I would agree with you to a point, laws can't be changed immediately, and usually aren't tailored to every single situation, so in a way, it misses irregularities that you describe.