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Quoting from al-Qaida 'second-in-command' Ayman al-Zawahiri the article says:

Al-Qaida Tuesday called the Israeli incursion into Gaza a "gift" to Israel from U.S. President-elect Barack Obama and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

Ayman al-Zawahiri, who is Osama bin Laden's second-in-command, used his 10-minute audio tape released on Islamic extremist Web sites to vow revenge for the deaths of Palestinians killed and wounded by the Israeli Military, ABC News reported.

"We will never stop until we avenge the death of all who are killed, injured, widowed and orphaned in Palestine and throughout the Islamic world," said al-Zawahiri.

He said Obama has partnered with Mubarak, whom he calls a traitor to Islam.

"What you are facing today is just occupation and settlement that is limited to one area or one country, but is part of a series in the crusaders war against Islam," al-Zawahiri said. "These airstrikes are a gift from Obama before he takes office, and from Hosni Mubarak, the traitor who is the primary partner in your siege and murder."

Al-Zawahiri called on Palestinians to "be strong and persist in the way of Jihad," ABC said.

"We are at work to carry out the promise of our fighting sheik Osama bin Laden (may Allah protect him) who promised that America will not live in peace in their dreams before we live in peace in Palestine, and until all the forces of the infidels leave the lands of Mohammad," he said.

Source: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/01/06/Al-Qaida_blames_Obama_for_Gaza/UPI-38571231297165/

So it would seem that it even terrorists are pinning the blame on Obama before he has taken office, just imagine what kind of power the man will actually have when he is in office if he can already conduct wars.
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I see Al-Qaida trolling. I hating

Wow... sometimes the level of paranoia in this world is way too much for my little brain to cope with...

Wow... sometimes the level of paranoia in this world is way too much for my little brain to cope with...

It's pretty worrying to be honest, even more worrying when people around the world seem to actually believe such paranoia - very peculiar.

I see Al-Qaida trolling.

^^^^This^^^^

Al-Qaida has become RL trolls on the world scene. Irritating.

^^^^This^^^^

Al-Qaida has become RL trolls on the world scene. Irritating.

It was only a few weeks ago al-Q was calling Obama a "house n...."

So yes, flaming and trolling.

However, after a few years of being President, if things aren't happening fast enough, or to their particular taste, everyone else is going to get on the bandwagon.

Honeymoons only last so long.

^^^^This^^^^

Al-Qaida has become RL trolls on the world scene. Irritating.

They do seem to have become little bitching talkers of shite although the overarching theme of being violent toward 'Westerners' seems to attract a lot of support. A shame that they are able to raise such support and xenophobia.

They do seem to have become little bitching talkers of shite although the overarching theme of being violent toward 'Westerners' seems to attract a lot of support. A shame that they are able to raise such support and xenophobia.

Yeah, wasn't Obama supposed to be immune to all that? Weren't the terrorists supposed to make nice?

Yeah, wasn't Obama supposed to be immune to all that? Weren't the terrorists supposed to make nice?

Apparently he's not ebil moslem enough for them.

They do seem to have become little bitching talkers of shite although the overarching theme of being violent toward 'Westerners' seems to attract a lot of support. A shame that they are able to raise such support and xenophobia.

They're very good trolls. We also fall for their flamebaiting every damn time.

As ridiculous as the Al-Qaida spokesman's comments are I think there is a shred of truth to the idea that Israel chose this time to attack Gaza just before Obama takes office in order to sabotage any peace initiative which Obama might try undertake. (though thats not what they said) I don't think peace is really on Al-Qaida's agenda here either though so it makes sense that they would try this...

As ridiculous as the Al-Qaida spokesman's comments are I think there is a shred of truth to the idea that Israel chose this time to attack Gaza just before Obama takes office in order to sabotage any peace initiative which Obama might try undertake. (though thats not what they said) I don't think peace is really on Al-Qaida's agenda here either though so it makes sense that they would try this...

Oh it makes sense for them politically to encourage these conflicts, on another note - think there might be incidents of al-Qaida aiding Hamas (don't remember seeing any reports of them helping one another before) with more guerilla fighters/armaments?

Well politically I think its a bad move for Hamas to accept their help but It wouldn't surprise me all that much. They have their fingers in a lot of peoples pies these days.

So it would seem that it even terrorists are pinning the blame on Obama before he has taken office, just imagine what kind of power the man will actually have when he is in office if he can already conduct wars.


Of course they are. He is the president elect of the great satan. Did anyone really think that Al-q harbored in its heart a special hatred of W?

Democrat, republican, Bob Barr, Ralph Nader, it's all the same for the purposes of this exercise.

But does it matter in any event? For the purposes of americans the 'war on terror' is really about domestic politics. What Al-q does or says is completely irrelevant.

Of course they are. He is the president elect of the great satan. Did anyone really think that Al-q harbored in its heart a special hatred of W?

I can't tell you how many times I heard that if Obama were President, all of this terrorism would stop, because the love would come out, and we only have terrorism because of W...

Of course they are. He is the president elect of the great satan. Did anyone really think that Al-q harbored in its heart a special hatred of W?

Democrat, republican, Bob Barr, Ralph Nader, it's all the same for the purposes of this exercise.

But does it matter in any event? For the purposes of americans the 'war on terror' is really about domestic politics. What Al-q does or says is completely irrelevant.

I think it does matter because al-Qaida are effectively saying that politically they are on the side of Hamas, perhaps even aligning themselves with Hamas. I'd also disagree with you that for American purposes the 'war on terror' is really about domestic politics - it would seem that a lot of Americans have realised the 'war on terror' is much more about international politics/relations.

I can't tell you how many times I heard that if Obama were President, all of this terrorism would stop, because the love would come out, and we only have terrorism because of W...

And where, exactly, did you hear this? And don't say "on this forum" if you can't show who said it.

Well, shows that they won't even give obama a chance. Oh no things are bad!

And where, exactly, did you hear this? And don't say "on this forum" if you can't show who said it.

You missed our whole election season, I see.

Yeah, wasn't Obama supposed to be immune to all that? Weren't the terrorists supposed to make nice?

Only the right wing thought Obama and the terrorists would be in bed together.

And where, exactly, did you hear this? And don't say "on this forum" if you can't show who said it.

No one said it. DK just kinda imagined it.

The 'war on terror' is a political buzzword which has very little to do with reality or fighting Al-Qaida IMHO.

You missed our whole election season, I see.

I see you don't have a single fact to support your claim.

You missed our whole election season, I see.

Can you, or can you not, prove your allegations that someone, either on this forum or elsewhere claimed Obama being president would result in "all of this terrorism would stop, because the love would come out..."?

Can you?

Can you, or can you not, prove your allegations that someone, either on this forum or elsewhere claimed Obama being president would result in "all of this terrorism would stop, because the love would come out..."?

Can you?

Wow, I'm supposed to somehow link to all of the live people I've met in the past year, or it's not proven.... :eek:

Wow, I'm supposed to somehow link to all of the live people I've met in the past year, or it's not proven.... :eek:

You said "our whole election season" a minute ago. Now it's just "live people I've met." How convenient.

You said "our whole election season" a minute ago. Now it's just "live people I've met." How convenient.

Ah, no live people participated in the election season, or had any conversations.

Wow, I'm supposed to somehow link to all of the live people I've met in the past year, or it's not proven.... :eek:

So you cannot prove your claims whatsoever.

Ah, no live people participated in the election season, or had any conversations.

Well, apparently "our whole election season" now consists solely of unwritten remarks made to you in private conversation!

I dunno about anyone else, but I DO remember "our whole election season" and it was about just a TAD more than conveniently unsourced statements you've allegedly heard that are somehow relevant to anyone here. ;)

So you cannot prove your claims whatsoever.
So if I tell you about something that happened in RL, because of my lack of proof am I lying?

Desperate rhetoric like this looks to me like a clear case of how Al'Qaeda is going to miss Dubya as well.

So if I tell you about something that happened in RL, because of my lack of proof am I lying?

I can't tell you how many times I heard from McCain supporters that they thought the sun shown out of his ass - in a literal sense, and they planned to openly worship him once he was elected as Sun-God and build temples to McCain and oppress the nonbelieving liberals and Obama supporters.

Don't you dare disbelieve me just because I haven't a single shred of support for this. It happened. Lots of times.

I can't tell you how many times I heard from McCain supporters that they thought the sun shown out of his ass - in a literal sense, and they planned to openly worship him once he was elected as Sun-God and build temples to McCain and oppress the nonbelieving liberals and Obama supporters.

Don't you dare disbelieve me just because I haven't a single shred of support for this. It happened. Lots of times.

That's not quite what he said though, is it? He said that other people believed terrorism would end because Obama got voted in.

I can't tell you how many times I heard that if Obama were President, all of this terrorism would stop, because the love would come out, and we only have terrorism because of W...

You can't tell us because it never happened.

That's not quite what he said though, is it? He said that other people believed terrorism would end because Obama got voted in.

No. He didn't. He said:


Yeah, wasn't Obama supposed to be immune to all that? Weren't the terrorists supposed to make nice?

No one said shit about "Obama is immune" or "terrorists are supposed to make nice." These are ludicrous strawmen.

Then he said:

if Obama were President, all of this terrorism would stop, because the love would come out, and we only have terrorism because of W...

That sorry sack of strawmen is nothing else.

Then he said:

That's the quote I was referring to.

Oh man, look. The government is saying that Obama is hated by baddies too. Cripes, I really wonder if this is a ploy to get the lowest common denominator of the American public on-side. Yes, yes I do -_-

That's the quote I was referring to.

I believe I was told that people hate America solely because of Bush, and if we only had Obama in office, the world would love us - even the terrorists would stop and sign peace agreements with us on the spot.

That's the quote I was referring to.

It doesn't say quite what you said it said.

It doesn't say quite what you said it said.

But it was basically what I said, and pretty much had the same meaning.

Oh man, look. The government is saying that Obama is hated by baddies too. Cripes, I really wonder if this is a ploy to get the lowest common denominator of the American public on-side. Yes, yes I do -_-

It's getting them used to disappointment. Well, he's not going to be able to work a miracle with al-Q because they hate his guts, too.

Kind of like the inauguration here - first we're told that 5 million people are coming, then told that only around 50,000 can get tickets to the actual ceremony - then told the others can see the parade afterwards, but then told yesterday it will be limited to 300,000 people.

The rest are shit out of luck, and will be forced onto the area known as The Mall, where they can freeze in the open and watch on giant TV screens.

I can see a lot of really, really upset people on that day - when they thought their magic moment had arrived, and they were told "get over there behind the fence".

It's getting them used to disappointment.
For the love of christ, no it isn't. It's an extremely blatant ploy to show how much Obama is hated by those who hate freedom, thus making the very stupidest reckon that he's One Of Them as much as Bush ever was.

For the love of christ, no it isn't. It's an extremely blatant ploy to show how much Obama is hated by those who hate freedom, thus making the very stupidest reckon that he's One Of Them as much as Bush ever was.

If only al-Q was actually a CIA operation meant to galvanize support for the US government on a domestic level.... wait...

But it was basically what I said, and pretty much had the same meaning.

Even if you stripped it 'basically' down so that it only said what you 'pretty much' say it did, it is still irrelevant since no one here is making those claims, or has; and apparently no one has made those claims in a written or recorded medium at all.

Nope, the only place those claims have been made are in Hotwife's vaguely recollected conversations with some random people somewhere.

So it all hinges on Hotwife's credibility and honesty and, guess what, he has neither. That's what happens when you make a habit of lying and weaseling.

If only al-Q was actually a CIA operation meant to galvanize support for the US government on a domestic level.... wait...
Quite.

Quite.

But that would mean Bush is a fucking genius...

But that would mean Bush is a fucking genius...
Or that there were more capable people behind the throne, so to speak.

That's what happens when you make a habit of lying and weaseling.

Riiight.

Riiight.

Glad you agree. Next?

Glad you agree. Next?

I don't, actually.

I don't, actually.

Yeah, but you didn't seem to have anything more to add... like an actual rebuttal or something... I took it as a concession.

Yeah, but you didn't seem to have anything more to add... like an actual rebuttal or something... I took it as a concession.

Well, I haven't seen him being caught lying on this forum in the 9/10 months I've been here.

I don't, actually.

Yeah, but we kinda don't care. The 'devils advocate' thing is kind of cute, but Hotwife doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are plenty of threads, right here, where he has misrepresented material he has presented, so when he presents a characterization that he cannot produce we're entirely justified in dismissing it out of hand. Or perhaps you're new to the internet and still believe that HotForYou92 is really a 16 year old teenager who is really curious about your cock?

In general a touch of skepticism is a default, especially when it involves personal information. When it involves personal info from someone who gets things wrong regular, more than a touch is justified.

Especially when it's something that is supposed to be too numerous to count but didn't spill out anywhere but in his day to day life. I mean, it's not like there are not heated or even exaggerated political opinions stated here or anything that if an idea was so prominent it would have cropped up somewhere that he could point to.

But whatever, dude, tilt at that windmill if it makes you feel like you're fighting the good fight. You gotta get that hero rub where you can, I guess.

Yeah, but we kinda don't care. The 'devils advocate' thing is kind of cute, but Hotwife doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are plenty of threads, right here, where he has misrepresented material he has presented

Can you link to them please then?

Well, I haven't seen him being caught lying on this forum in the 9/10 months I've been here.

Wow. You havent been paying attention, or are willfully ignorant. The Bush Waterboarding thread is a perfect example. You even posted in that. So, either you think DK saying his source says something it doesnt isnt lying, or youre, well...

Wow. You havent been paying attention, or are willfully ignorant. The Bush Waterboarding thread is a perfect example. You even posted in that. So, either you think DK saying his source says something it doesnt isnt lying, or youre, well...

I didn't read his source, I'll take a look at it.

So it would seem that it even terrorists are pinning the blame on Obama before he has taken office, just imagine what kind of power the man will actually have when he is in office if he can already conduct wars.
;P

Gee... and here I thought it was Israel acting on a hurry before Bush's term expires.

;) Silly me, thank you mr.Al-Zawahiri for explaining me international politics... NOT, you RL troll! :rolleyes:

Can you link to them please then?
Okey Dokey...(didn't see that coming, didya?)

Let's see...well recently there was this thing on global ice- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14367574&postcount=1)
Disproves global warming, etc. It's a developed conversation that would be too much to quote here. This is, to his credit, one of his more subtle subterfuges as he allows much of it to be 'implied' so when defeated he can retreat to his singular, but now ultimately empty premise.

Since we're talking severity and characterization, I'll throw this one (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577316) in, ending primarily in this. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14326937&postcount=5)

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=576073) we have Obama not being open because people on a website flagged some questions. It devolves pretty quickly, but it is in the same vein, a characterization of things people said and actions that doesn't actually jib.

You get the idea. I gotta get something to eat before going to work, so I can indulge you further when I get back or someone else can pick the ball up and run with it. His threads are listed here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=1158754&pp=15&page=2).

Okey Dokey...(didn't see that coming, didya?)

If I'm completely honest I thought you'd ignore me, but those post don't make it seem like he just makes shit up on the spot, but just misinterprets articles.

If I'm completely honest I thought you'd ignore me, but those post don't make it seem like he just makes shit up on the spot, but just misinterprets articles.

So he either cant read or makes things up. Either way, why should we take him seriously?


Besides, when its that blatant, and consistant, it stops being plausable that its a simple mistake.

If I'm completely honest I thought you'd ignore me, but those post don't make it seem like he just makes shit up on the spot, but just misinterprets articles.

And now he's giving us a representation of sources he can't provide, so we have a healthy dose of skepticism based on his history as well as the very nature of the internet.

This has got to stop. Stop blaming Obama for stuff before he gets in office.

I believe I was told that people hate America solely because of Bush, and if we only had Obama in office, the world would love us - even the terrorists would stop and sign peace agreements with us on the spot.

If people you know said that (which they didn't), then you should stop associating with morons.

If people you know said that (which they didn't), then you should stop associating with Democrats

Corrected

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No, I meant morons, thank you kindly. People (who don't exist) who would say the things you said they said (which they didn't say) are morons, regardless of political affiliation.

I have nothing else to say so I'm gonna troll about how all Democrats are just like the imaginary people whose arguments I have irrelevantly brought into the discussion

Fixed.

No, I meant morons, thank you kindly. People (who don't exist) who would say the things you said they said (which they didn't say) are morons, regardless of political affiliation.

You have to come down to the office, and listen to the ones who voted for Obama here.

It's a laugh riot, every day.

This thread has degraded into a rampant cesspool of personal attacks and trolling. Condemned.