NationStates Jolt Archive

Back during the Primary season, I was did a series of topics on another forum in the form of an election to see which Starfleet or Imperial officer would win the vote for Presidency. I did an Imperial Primary, and a Starfleet Primary. Unfortunately, the site banned me for something I didn't do before I could put up the final election thread.

However, a random comment in an Obama related thread reminded me of this idea, and while the election is now over, I decided to redo the concept on Nationstates (and hopefully complete it this time).

To keep this small, and to stick to the "major parties", I will be limiting this campaign to the Imperial Party and the Starfleet Party. However, sufficient pressure could convince me to allow certain minor party candidates.;)

So without further ado: the Imperial Primary.

The candidates are:

Grand Admiral Thrawn.

The favored candidate, Thrawn is a patron of the arts and a renowned tactical and strategic genius skilled at inspiring his men and applying intelligence and technology to deadly effect. However, he is not above the use of war crimes up to and including genocide (he once killed a species because he couldn't analyse their art and find a weakness).

Grand Admiral Pellaeon.

Issued an apparently illegal retreat order at Endor. Has a way of running from fights, but was also the Imperial who finally made peace with the New Republic. Once served under Thrawn.

Darth Vader.

A ruthless and vengeful man. He has some tactical skill, and does not tolerate incompetance. Has Dark Side force powers.

Emperor Palpatine.

A brilliant political and psychological manipulator and powerful Dark Side user, he has an apparent obsession with super weapons. Apparently seeks to live forever as emperor of the galaxy, draining the life from his citizens. His powers lead to physical deterioration.

Grand Moff Tarkin.

A ruthless militarist and namesake of the Tarkin Doctrine of "rule through the fear of force" (to paraphrase). Known for sleeping with and promoting an officer of questionable competancy. Sometimes ignores the advice of his subordinates. Has committed massacres up to the destruction of a planet.


So, who would you vote for as President? You may also choose a alternative write-in candidate. Any who voted before this edit may revote. Otherwise, first vote counts.

Aren't you missing the Star Trek side of this?

I was going to do that as a sepperate thread. If that is deemed wasteful, I will add them to this thread.

Also, I will refrain from voting here, as none of the candidates are politically appealing to me (they're by and large genocidal nuts).

Pelleaon. He's intelligent AND a great tactician AND a faithful imperial.

Btw, poll!

Can I add a poll after the fact? I went to edit post, and I can't see how to add poll. Maybe I'm just tired. I've had about four hour's sleep in the past 35 hours.

Thrawn, because he sounds like Straughn.
Can't go wrong with name likeness and connotation, works every time.

Ok, votes so far:

Thrawn: 1

Pellaeon: 1

Vader: 0

Palpatine: 1

Tarkin: 0

Incidentally, vote closes one week from start. At which point I will put up the Star Trek thread.

Emperor Palpatine of course, he can just electrocute the congress if the voting doesnt go his way.

Can I add a poll after the fact? I went to edit post, and I can't see how to add poll. Maybe I'm just tired. I've had about four hour's sleep in the past 35 hours.

Under thread tools, add pole.

Under thread tools, add pole.

Thanks.

I just casted my vote for Palpatine. Like any american voter, I only recognized two of the available options in the primary, and since I am too lazy to research it was always going to be between Vader and Palpatine.

Since underneath all that black armor Vader is a bit of a crying pussy, Palpatine it is.

Under thread tools, add pole.True, this thread needs more pole.
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AYEEEE!!! DON'T VOTE PALPY AND VADER!!!

Palpy and Vader are teh gayz! The whole plot of SW 2-3 is about a gay triangle: the couple Kenobi-Skywalker, with the old pervert stepping in - and managing to eliminate also the only hetero interest of Skywalker's ever! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Plus, Palpy and Vader are ruining the GOOD OLD JEDI VALUES!!!

:D

Palpatine is unfortunately disqualified, since he is all ready Pope of the Roman Catholic Church and thus electing him President would clearly be a violation of Separation of Church and State.

Thrawn? Someone who can kick an entire civilization's ass just by studying art? Now that's the kind of genius we want as Commander in Chief.

Tarkin obviously, he was totally badass as normal human in a show dominated by people with superpowers. Hell, he gave orders to Darth Vader, and that was Vader in full glory, before someone made three movies how whiny kid he used to be. Also I would predict final solution for Aldera... uh ... Israel-Palestine problem in few weeks.

I voted for Thrawn.;)

Write-in vote for Jar-Jar Binks. :p

Palpatine outwits all of the others, even if he looks horribly similar to McCain.

Palpatine outwits all of the others, even if he looks horribly similar to McCain.

And Joe Lieberman. http://theslopeviathelake.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/palpatine_lieberman.jpg

Thrawn, even though all I know about him, I've read from the Wookieepedia.

Bah, figures that Palpatine and Vader would lead. Name recognition is hard to overcome, even though Thrawn and especially Pellaeon are probably better than both by far.

Bah, figures that Palpatine and Vader would lead. Name recognition is hard to overcome, even though Thrawn and especially Pellaeon are probably better than both by far.

Palpatine for President
Vader for Secretary of State
Thrawn for Vicepresident.
Paellon for head of the Senate.

Bah, figures that Palpatine and Vader would lead. Name recognition is hard to overcome, even though Thrawn and especially Pellaeon are probably better than both by far.

I've got a proposal.

Pelleaon for President. Tarkin as Minister for Internal Affairs. Mara Jade as Minister for Foreign Affairs. Thrawn as Minister of Defence. Palpatine as Minister for Culture and Propaganda.

Not being a member of the RepublicanStar Wars party, I will have to sit this primary out.

why you hate the Empire?

Not being a member of the RepublicanStar Wars party, I will have to sit this primary out.

On the contrary. Not being a member of the Republican Star Wars Party, you are entitled to vote. If you're Republican, you vote for the other side (Old Rep, Rebellion, New Rep).

If you are a member of the Republican Star Wars Party you vote Yuzhan Vong

On the contrary. Not being a member of the Republican Star Wars Party, you are entitled to vote. If you're Republican, you vote for the other side (Old Rep, Rebellion, New Rep).

No, they'd be Democrats, because the Republic was democratic, right?

But then where do we get off calling the Empire Republicans?

I'm confused. :confused:

why you hate the Empire?

I'm a Trekkie.

I'm a Trekkie.

We will meet you in the national elections and show you why Palpatine rules and Picard drools.

No, they'd be Democrats, because the Republic was democratic, right?
No. It was the Galactic Republic. Not the Galactic Democratic Republic.

No. It was the Galactic Republic. Not the Galactic Democratic Republic.

But a republic is a form of democratic government.

But a republic is a form of democratic government.

No. The Roman Republic wasn't very much democratic, nor was the Republic of Chile in Pinochet's times. Today's United Kingdom is quite more democratic, while being a monarchy.

No. The Roman Republic wasn't very much democratic, nor was the Republic of Chile in Pinochet's times. Today's United Kingdom is quite more democratic, while being a monarchy.
If you say so.

Well, its between Vader and Thrawn. Can't predict which way this will go. Thrawn would be better, but Vader has name rec.

Besides, in any event, my joke was that the Star Wars party was the Republicans and the Star Trek party was the Democrats.

Besides, in any event, my joke was that the Star Wars party was the Republicans and the Star Trek party was the Democrats.

I think it will be more like The Republicans are the Yuzhan Vong and the Democrats the Empire.

I think it will be more like The Republicans are the Yuzhan Vong and the Democrats the Empire.

Then what's the Star Trek party?

Then what's the Star Trek party?

Nader's party

*nods*

Besides, in any event, my joke was that the Star Wars party was the Republicans and the Star Trek party was the Democrats.
I could easily see that.

Besides, in any event, my joke was that the Star Wars party was the Republicans and the Star Trek party was the Democrats.

Meh. Kirk is clearly a republican.

Meh. Kirk is clearly a republican.Star Trek kinda went beyond singularly TOS, methinks Kyronea's a-gettin' at.
And in that regard, he's right.

Not to dismiss your point ... but, Kirk didn't have the same repressed sexual hangups that a lot of republicans seem to espouse.

I think everyone is missing the main point in this primary. It's all about electability. Sure, Thrawn and that other guy might have great credentials, but the fact is that they have less than zero name recognition. You might as well run Dr. Who as one of those guys. Therefore there are only three candidates in the race that can really be considered viable contenders for the general election. And it is out of these three the ultimate choice must be made after considering their respective strengths and weaknesses of each. So, then:

Tarkin

No-one is doubting his competence or in the executive role. Or his domestic policy experience - just look how he handled the rebels on alderaan. But the plain fact is, he is going to be a big -ve with the Irish vote, and that's a hurdle he probably won't be able to overcome in a general election.

Vader

He's the youngest of the bunch, and certainly the most 'hip', which should play well the youth vote. Vader's problem, however, is that he comes with major personal baggage: To begin with, he is twenty years behind on child support payments, something that will not sit well with the feminists. He also may have been involved in the violent death of his wife, which while it may bolster him with the religious right, will surely lose the key 'soccer' mom demographic in the suburbs.

Palapatine

Palapatine's biggest flaw is that he is old and ugly. Very ugly. Moreover he is often seen walking with a cane, which makes him look weak in the eyes of the voting public. Offsetting this, however, is his unimpeachable record of dedicated public service, and his proven track record of diplomatic successes (finally resolving the trade federation dispute with naboo, ending the separatist movement).

Taking the strengths and weakness of each, you can see that the first two candidates would be unelectable because of their problematic personal history or inability to appeal to certain key demographics. Therefore the choice is obvious. Palapatine, despite being old and ugly - traits not favorable to any candidate - is the only one with a chance of taking the big prize in the general, and is therefore the candidate that should be supported.

And I'll note how well this kind of strategery worked for the democrats with John Kerry.

Star Trek kinda went beyond singularly TOS, methinks Kyronea's a-gettin' at.
Not to dismiss your point ... but, Kirk didn't have the same repressed sexual hangups that a lot of republicans seem to espouse.
There is some truth here, I must concede.




Vader
He's the youngest of the bunch, and certainly the most 'hip', which should play well the youth vote. Vader's problem, however, is that he comes with major personal baggage: To begin with, he is twenty years behind on child support payments, something that will not sit well with the feminists. He also may have been involved in the violent death of his wife, which while it may bolster him with the religious right, will surely lose the key 'soccer' mom demographic in the suburbs.


Wait. Vader has some appeal to the left-wing, though:
1.he's diversely able, and needs to wear an automatic treatment suit all the time, the poor guy.
2.he's all black, and also has a soul voice (James Earl Jones' !)
3.he started as a slave; his alleged bad behaviour (no witnesses after all, recall that ;) ) can be blamed on the oppressive society he was raised in.

Wait. Vader has some appeal to the left-wing, though:
1.he's diversely able, and needs to wear an automatic treatment suit all the time, the poor guy.
2.he's all black, and also has a soul voice (James Earl Jones' !)
3.he started as a slave; his alleged bad behaviour (no witnesses after all, recall that ;) ) can be blamed on the oppressive society he was raised in.

That's all true. But I'm afraid it won't overcome the missed child support payments. That's pure electoral poison.

That's all true. But I'm afraid it won't overcome the missed child support payments. That's pure electoral poison.

One could operate a diabolical reversal and blame it on the adulterous bitch who ran away with her new male interest and hid the kids from poor Vader.

Rushing for the votes of divorced men!

hey i want a fel in here

That's all true. But I'm afraid it won't overcome the missed child support payments. That's pure electoral poison.

Vader was very willing to send child support, however the children were hidden from him. where the heck does he send the checks if he doesnt know where they live ?

None of the Above

Have to go with Thrawn on this one...prettymuch the most tactically brilliant of all the Star Wars characters...

Ron Paul!

Ron Paul!

Translation: One for Tarkin. Gotcha.

Vader was very willing to send child support, however the children were hidden from him. where the heck does he send the checks if he doesnt know where they live ?

To the "Friend of the Court", silly!