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I strongly support Obama and Biden and hope they both sort things out after the idiot shrub cocked it up.

Care to provide an actual topic? Also, you're wrong and you're going to be disappointed.

That's nice.

I smell flames approaching.

i smell oil, my my i hope no one tries to light a cigarette in here.

I like foot rubs.

*lights a cigarette*

I don't support Obama.

Eat it!

Well, this thread is virtually flame-bait for conservatives.

God damn it, now I'll have to argue with them when they all come running to attack Obama and Biden. Time to dig in and prepare myself for a long and circular battle.:headbang: :)

Also, I like Star Trek.

Kirk would put a whoopin on Obama and Biden!

I like foot rubs.

You're gross.

You should be banned from getting foot rubs.

I like foot rubs.
well if you get a dog and put some cream on your feet it'l lick them for you...that close enough?
*lights a cigarette*

I don't support Obama.

Eat it!
:eek:
ohhhhh my god...everybody out of the thread! ruuunnnnn>>>>>>..>>!>>!!

We've been asked to pause for a reality check, we've been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope.

Yet in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

The new line will be 'why do you hate hope?'

Also, I like Star Trek.

Kirk would put a whoopin on Obama and Biden!

Pfff, Sisco, dude.

*lights a cigarette*

I don't support Obama.

Eat it!

Eat the cigarette? :confused:


:D

Also, I like Star Trek.

Kirk would put a whoopin on Obama and Biden!

I did a couple threads on another site once on a similar topic. Specifically, I did a Star Trek vs Star Wars political campaign to see who would be elected President. Thrawn I think won the Imperial primary, and Kirk may have won the Federation primary. Unfortunately the site banned me for something I didn't do before I could put up the final thread.:mad:

Not sure how relevant this is, besides the fact that you reminded me of it. But yes, Kirk does kick ass. Don't know about vs Obama, but he's probably the only main Trek captain who might have a chance in hell of winning an American Presidential campaign.

well if you get a dog and put some cream on your feet it'l lick them for you...that close enough?


No. No it is not.

And now I am slightly disturbed.




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Pfff, Sisco, dude.

Sisco is a poor attempt at an Obama in ST.

Sisco is a poor attempt at an Obama in ST.

Obama is a poor attempt at Sisco in real life.

No. No it is not.

And now I am slightly disturbed.




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well there was one time, a woman put honey on her vagina, to get her cats to lick it off her...but instead a swarm of angry ants came along and...well you can guess the rest. i believe i heard that from embarrassing injuries TV show thing.
or there was that case of a man using an electric sex toy and lightning hit the power line causing a surge of electricity to burn his penis...yeah ouch

Obama is a poor attempt at Sisco in real life.

You're just jealous cause you were barred from running. :p

well there was one time, a woman put honey on her vagina, to get her cats to lick it off her...but instead a swarm of angry ants came along and...well you can guess the rest. i believe i heard that from embarrassing injuries TV show thing.
or there was that case of a man using an electric sex toy and lightning hit the power line causing a surge of electricity to burn his penis...yeah ouch

You are one of them 'there was one time' guys on the bus, aren't you? Everyone's all light and jokey and playin' Slug Bug and for some reason it reminds you of a 'there was one time' story that involves slugs eating a heart attack victim alive or something like that and suddenly everyone is quietly looking out the window and maybe thinking about calling their moms...aren't you?

Obama is a poor attempt at Sisco in real life.

*whap* Sisco sucks like a vacuum cleaner! Nothing can be worse than DS9... except the Bush administration, the Berlusconi cabinet and Star Wars 1-2-3.

I wonder, though, if some trekkie actually voted Obama because of Sisco. Could be, trekkies are a strange lot.

Care to provide an actual topic? Also, you're wrong and you're going to be disappointed.

that depends entirely on the fanaticism of one's preconceptions.

yes we CAN, stop using the burning of anything for anything other then heating and cooking without lowering the real quality of life at all.

if anything, emotional attachment to measuring everything in terms of symbolic value has lowered the real quality of life by blinding people to real gratification and coercing them into pursuing it where there is none to be found.

yes we can have higher and more gratifying technology then we have yet dreamed of while living in MUCH closer harmony with nature's cycles of renewal.

yes we can stop worshiping the robber barons of oil, coal and the automotive industry, without living in caves, nor without mechanical transportation, affordable electricity, and this internet.

yes we can, bring broadband connections to everyone.

yes we can distribute health care to impoverished elderly, instead of dumping them into ghettos to die.

yes we can restore and rebuild a transportation infrastructure everyone doesn't individually have to indenture themselves to.

and yes, i'm looking forward, not to being handed my dream world on a silver platter, but to real hope of people getting together to actually be able to accomplish what industry funded lobbying has adamantly obstructed, when people were brainwashed into expecting themselves to get something out of the collective big lies of pseudo-conservatism.

that depends entirely on the fanaticism of one's preconceptions.

Bingo. And you're going to be disappointed. ;)

Bingo. And you're going to be disappointed. ;)

in what? i'm feeling better, and damd sure safer, already.

and it IS words and how people feel about them, that drive the statistical sum of individual priorities that create the incentives that motivate the policies that create the conditions we each individually experience.

in what? i'm feeling better, and damd sure safer, already.

and it IS words and how people feel about them, that drive the statistical sum of individual priorities that create the incentives that motivate the policies that create the conditions we each individually experience.

You can feel however you like, rationally or irrationally. Reality is independent of our opinions, in my opinion (see what I did there? :D). I'm making a prediction, that the staus quo re: government will remain. Thinking otherwise will result in disappointment if you subject those thoughts to any kind of reality testing. Technology and industry will advance of course, but not due to positive thoughts or government action.

well if you get a dog and put some cream on your feet it'l lick them for you...that close enough?

:eek:
ohhhhh my god...everybody out of the thread! ruuunnnnn>>>>>>..>>!>>!!

My dog licks my dads feet without the cream. It's really gross.

they are BASED on reality testing.

status quo's evolve glacially, absolutely.

but statistical culture creates and directs them: and with them, the uses of technologies, and thus the DIRECTIONS they evolve IN.

every bit along with how we live, with them, and in general.

My dog licks my dads feet without the cream. It's really gross.
maybe he taught it how to...i don't really want to continue that line of reasoning so i'll talk about the weather for now. My it's nice and warm here.

You are one of them 'there was one time' guys on the bus, aren't you? Everyone's all light and jokey and playin' Slug Bug and for some reason it reminds you of a 'there was one time' story that involves slugs eating a heart attack victim alive or something like that and suddenly everyone is quietly looking out the window and maybe thinking about calling their moms...aren't you?
lol, i can't help saying the "there was one time when..." it just sort of happens.
like that time me and my flatmates had to empty our fridge-freezer because it had broke...except no one had bothered to empty it for a week, there were maggots in someone's fish (trout i believe) the smell was abhorrant, i retched as i had the gloves on emptying the soiled food into the wheelie bin. praying that the bin men would throw it into hell.
but we've got a new fridge-freezer now.
oh i appear to have lost track of what i was saying...:D

they are BASED on reality testing.

status quo's evolve glacially, absolutely.

but statistical culture creates and directs them: and with them, the uses of technologies, and thus the DIRECTIONS they evolve IN.

every bit along with how we live, with them, and in general.

Could you repeat this in English? If you can define "statistical culture," it would be a help. It sounds like you're saying that culture pervades everything, which it does, of course. My prediction is that the new administration isn't going to affect the culture, and won't contain any of the much-promised transformational leadership some people are expecting. That's where the disappointment comes in. I'm an optimist regarding our culture at large, though, and expect progress to come about through the general desire for progress, rather than through government action. I hope that makes sense.

not effect the culture? everything effects the culture. just some things more then others, and because of the statistical nature of its doing so, culture itself being a statistical phenomina to begin with, you might need to really dicipline yourself from ambient emotional attatchments to popular misconceptions (themselves a part of culture of course) to see it. but sorry, it is very real, and THE very real driving force.

not effect the culture? everything effects the culture. just some things more then others, and because of the statistical nature of its doing so, culture itself being a statistical phenomina to begin with, you might need to really dicipline yourself from ambient emotional attatchments to popular misconceptions (themselves a part of culture of course) to see it. but sorry, it is very real, and THE very real driving force.

Won't -significantly- affect the culture, fine. I'm sure stand-up comedians are already writing lines about the Obama commemorative plates being sold for three easy payments of $19.95 on late-night t.v., but the lasting effects of that will be insubstantial, even if it's an exercise in culture. I'm sure culture can be quantified and analyzed statistically, but it isn't itself a statistical process or creation. I'm not sure where you're going with that. But you have your predictions and I have mine, neither of which are immediately verifyable. We'll have to wait and see how things pan out. Fun times. :D

if culture isn't a statistical process or creation, what is it? me thinks it isn't me who'se denying reality checks. but yes, always in motion is the future. and that certainly includes butterfly effects in cultural trends, and those which seem unpredictably to materialize out of nowhere. (though the 'nowhere' they materialize out of is inherent nature of reality being that of limitless diversity)

influence certainly isn't control, but not being control doesn't make it not be influence.
and one thing, the one thing governments can and do which influence culture, is the incentives created and destroyed by legislation. this is a mutual process of influencing of course, as law makers are themselves influenced by cultural factors and the markets they create.

my "predictions" are modest and certainly not cast in concrete, i just feel better about the opportunities for them, then under most of the previous administrations in my life time.

i think another factor in their favor is the need for them for humanities survival as a species, coupled intuitively, perhaps whimsically, with its fortune of having survived so far.

if culture isn't a statistical process or creation, what is it? me thinks it isn't me who'se denying reality checks. but yes, always in motion is the future. and that certainly includes butterfly effects in cultural trends, and those which seem unpredictably to materialize out of nowhere. (though the 'nowhere' they materialize out of is inherent nature of reality being that of limitless diversity)

influence certainly isn't control, but not being control doesn't make it not be influence.
and one thing, the one thing governments can and do which influence culture, is the incentives created and destroyed by legislation. this is a mutual process of influencing of course, as law makers are themselves influenced by cultural factors and the markets they create.

Culture can be described in statistical terms or predicted using inferential statistics, but there's nothing innately 'statistical' about culture. At all. There's nothing magical about numbers or statistics, unless you've seen the movie "Pi" too many times. Culture is what resonates with whatever zeitgeist or sensus communis is prevalent at a given time. It isn't the product of some set of numerical inputs.

my "predictions" are modest and certainly not cast in concrete, i just feel better about the opportunities for them, then under most of the previous administrations in my life time.

i think another factor in their favor is the need for them for humanities survival as a species, coupled intuitively, perhaps whimsically, with its fortune of having survived so far.

Good feelings are good. Whimsy is fine. I just don't buy the hype. But maybe you're right. I wouldn't be against a new golden age appearing. I just don't see any reason to believe in one.

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In before this thread becomes serious.

I strongly support Obama and Biden and hope they both sort things out after the idiot shrub cocked it up.

Capital. Marvellous. Splendid.

Had you elaborated, or, for that matter, not quoted Bob the Builder in the title, this may be of some interest.

I just don't buy the hype. But maybe you're right. I wouldn't be against a new golden age appearing. I just don't see any reason to believe in one.

i don't think i'm buying hype. golden ages there have been. (granted they tend to be localized and not last long, yet even this may not always be the case) survival there has been. i certainly see no reason to discount their future possibility.

nor is a golden age necessary for some movement in a positive direction.

i suppose we've lived, or feel we've lived, through such times that any such movement might seem like a golden age, yet at least a little of it, is part and parcel to any return to something resembling 'normalcy'.

there are always some things getting worse while others are getting better. it just some times there are more of the one and some times more of the other, and we've had times of more getting worse then better, and like everything else, this doesn't always stay the same.

i don't expect the world i dream of to come about perfectly, i know reality doesn't work that way. its too diverse to do so in every fine detail, but that doesn't mean more general trends can't return to positive, just as they once moved in the opposite direction.

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Capital. Marvellous. Splendid.

Had you elaborated, or, for that matter, not quoted Bob the Builder in the title, this may be of some interest.

the op's "failure to elaborate" doesn't mean WE can't. as in my own example. (see my first post in this thread)

the op's "failure to elaborate" doesn't mean WE can't. as in my own example. (see my first post in this thread)

I don't doubt it; I wasn't attacking you, however.

In all sincerity, do you not fear that Obama's inability to meet the ludicrously high expectations held by a good number of politically naive voters might do untold damage?

Capital. Marvellous. Splendid.

Had you elaborated, or, for that matter, not quoted Bob the Builder in the title, this may be of some interest.
Kind of broke the thread for me, too.

Kind of broke the thread for me, too.

It's difficult to form any cogent response with that song repeating ad infinatum in my head. Or, for that matter, to make any concerted effort on my 30 hour open examination....

I don't doubt it; I wasn't attacking you, however.

In all sincerity, do you not fear that Obama's inability to meet the ludicrously high expectations held by a good number of politically naive voters might do untold damage?

a question of balance. yes, some of each. there is always some negative reaction to everything, and sure, people are always critical of not getting everything they wanted and hoped for, and even blinder to their own priorities often being the very obstruction to it.

this is why it is never certain a president will serve a second term, and often the better they do in real terms, the less certain due to such perceptions.

but i also think the positiveness of his influence is very likely and very capable of making up for this. that there is no certainty is of course a given.

no certainty but lots of probabilities, and on the whole, hope to me, seems reasonably justified.

juggling hot potatoes while setting hopefully positive examples, is part of the job description.

and he does seem, so far, as or more capable, then anyone we've seen in a long time.

AAAH Obama! OOOOOH Obama! CHANGE! YEAH, CHANGE! IT WILL CHANGE!
PRAISE THE lord !!! AMEN !!!

Come on, wake up. It seems like they all think that Mr. Obama is a super being and in Europe it is even worse.

Many things will not change at all.

Is he pro homosexuality marriages?
What about his uneuropean statements about abortion or euthanasia?
He will not close Guantanamo. He can't. Some of its inhabitants deserve to be in a place like Guantanamo. Where will he lock them?
He will not stop the war in Iraq. He can't. He will just do what Bush already promised to do.
He will not stop the genocides in Palestine. Or next time he isn't a president anymore.
He will not solve the financial troubles. He will just do what Bush already promised to do. And the financial crisis is not the fault of Bush.
Obama is using the Clinton people for his cabinet. What a change!

Maybe his PR will be better, but real change?
Yeah right. It's not the first president that promised change.

Yet in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
It's lines like that which keep me from feeling any hope whatsoever. So cheesy, so terrible, so maudlin. It is no wonder that he appeals to my uniquely worthless peers.
The new line will be 'why do you hate hope?'
Ooh, alliteration. "How can you hate hope?" would be a bit better.

I strongly support Obama and Biden and hope they both sort things out after the idiot shrub cocked it up.
Yep, they're off to a pretty good start.

--Commerce Secretary nominee withdraws name to avoid controversy.
--Treasury Secretary nominee honestly forgets to pay taxes in 2001, 2002,20003, 2004. Pays back taxes after being nominated.
--Treasury Secretary nominee honestly forgets to comply with US law and mistakenly hires an illegal alien to keep house.
--PEBO has to threaten a veto against his own party before coronation.

Yep, things are going well for the Obama team. They clearly have their shit in one bag.

a question of balance. yes, some of each. there is always some negative reaction to everything, and sure, people are always critical of not getting everything they wanted and hoped for, and even blinder to their own priorities often being the very obstruction to it.

this is why it is never certain a president will serve a second term, and often the better they do in real terms, the less certain due to such perceptions.

but i also think the positiveness of his influence is very likely and very capable of making up for this. that there is no certainty is of course a given.

no certainty but lots of probabilities, and on the whole, hope to me, seems reasonably justified.

juggling hot potatoes while setting hopefully positive examples, is part of the job description.

and he does seem, so far, as or more capable, then anyone we've seen in a long time.

Maybe its a trans-Atlantic difference, but my British cynicism and I just don't subscribe to the unmitigated optimism and hope that seems to abound in the USA at present. Too much risked, too much claimed, promised and hoped for, in a paradigm of political inertia.

AAAH Obama! OOOOOH Obama! CHANGE! YEAH, CHANGE! IT WILL CHANGE!
PRAISE THE lord !!! AMEN !!!

Come on, wake up. It seems like they all think that Mr. Obama is a super being and in Europe it is even worse.

Many things will not change at all.

Is he pro homosexuality marriages?
What about his uneuropean statements about abortion or euthanasia?
He will not close Guantanamo. He can't. Some of its inhabitants deserve to be in a place like Guantanamo. Where will he lock them?
He will not stop the war in Iraq. He can't. He will just do what Bush already promised to do.
He will not stop the genocides in Palestine. Or next time he isn't a president anymore.
He will not solve the financial troubles. He will just do what Bush already promised to do. And the financial crisis is not the fault of Bush.
Obama is using the Clinton people for his cabinet. What a change!

Maybe his PR will be better, but real change?
Yeah right. It's not first president that promised change.

Before Barack Obama was elected, my socks were white. After he officially won, I looked and my socks were blue! Blue! Change is a comin'! *nods*

Obama is a more mister simpatico as Bush.
But that's not a reason to have a political orgasm.

It's lines like that which keep me from feeling any hope whatsoever. So cheesy, so terrible, so maudlin. It is no wonder that he appeals to my uniquely worthless peers.

I got it from the Will.I.Am song, ba-zing!

Ooh, alliteration. "How can you hate hope?" would be a bit better.

I have to respectfully disagree, the 'why' contrasts the alliteration of 'hate hope', say it loud.

Before Barack Obama was elected, my socks were white. After he officially won, I looked and my socks were blue! Blue! Change is a comin'! *nods*

Wash your damn socks LG, that's not 'blue', it's mud.

I got it from the Will.I.Am song, ba-zing!



I have to respectfully disagree, the 'why' contrasts the alliteration of 'hate hope', say it loud.



Wash your damn socks LG, that's not 'blue', it's mud.

*looks again* So it is! I'll be damned! Blue mud.

cynicism has both uses and limits. to much can be just as bad as too little.

cynicism has both uses and limits. to much can be just as bad as too little.
But it's essentially replaced properly thinking for yourself in modern culture to some degree, and that can only be a bad thing. Cynicism seems to be more an attempt to be sceptical towards issues, rather than actually make any attempt to change them.

Yes, we can: destroy the party front-runner and call it unity
Yes, we can: spit vitriol at every Democrat and Republican not worshipping at the foot of the Obama personality cult
Yes, we can: attack both of our female candidates over experience, despite being least qualified candidate, ever
Yes, we can: blow the best opportunity to appoint a sensible progressive government

Barack Obama is an advocate of slavery and murder of the human spirit.

Of course, so is John McCain.

That's why I voted for Bob Barr. He's the only one who didn't want to subject us all to some grand collective vision whether any given individual wanted to be a part of it or not.

I like foot rubs.

I don't, my feet are really ticklish.

*whap* Sisco sucks like a vacuum cleaner! Nothing can be worse than DS9... except the Bush administration, the Berlusconi cabinet and Star Wars 1-2-3.

I wonder, though, if some trekkie actually voted Obama because of Sisco. Could be, trekkies are a strange lot.

It's, Sisko, and no, there are plenty of things worse than DS9, you Star Trek hater you.

I don't, my feet are really ticklish.

So are mine, but so long as you're relaxed, it can be very good. (Helps if they have oil so their hands don't become sweat covered.)

Obama is ridiculously overrated, and it'll be interesting to see what happens when the Americans realise that. He's still better than Bush though.

It's nothing more than self-indulgent spam, and it's locked for being just that.