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Israelis Using Human Shields

Hotwife
13-01-2009, 18:00
Well, yes. But not in the way you think. More of a "How Jack Bauer Uses Humans As Shields".

Do you think it's fair that if someone throws a hand grenade at you, that it's acceptable for you to throw them on the grenade to shield yourself?

That Had To Hurt (http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2009/01/literal-human-shield.html)

Transcript from an Israeli news show, while showing reconnaissance video of a firefight:

# Here are the two terrorists,circled in red, hiding behind bushes
# The soldiers, circled in blue, approach ...
# without knowing they're so close to the terrorists
# And here is the first terrorist
# He identifies the soldiers...opens fire...but doesn't hit them
# The two officers immediately attack, the other soldiers descend from the scene
# The officers attack and kill one terrorist...
# meanwhile they don't notice the other terrorist
# the other terrorist throws a grenade...it explodes...but doesnt hit
# and then the two officers attack him
# the terrorist throws a second grenade
# and now pay attention to what the company commander does...
# he picks up the terrorist from the bushes
# and uses him as a human shield against the grenade
# the explosion kills the terrorist but not the officer
# lets see this scene again...
# the officer sees the terrorist, runs to him...
# --the terrorist throws a grenade at him--
# ...and then simply with two hands
# the officer raises the terrorist in the air
# and uses the body of the terrorist as a shield from the exploding grenade
# the encounter ends with a lightly wounded officer and two dead terrorists.
Dododecapod
13-01-2009, 18:03
That is entirely reasonable. Opposing soldiers must expect you to do whatever is in your power to kill them and keep yourself alive - you have no obligation to them save to accept surrender when offered.
Chumblywumbly
13-01-2009, 18:05
I admire, in a grim way, the effectiveness at which modern states have managed to turn the word 'terrorist' from a technique to a kind of person.

Doublespeak at its best.
Dododecapod
13-01-2009, 18:06
I admire, in a grim way, the effectiveness at which modern states have managed to turn the word 'terrorist' from a technique to a kind of person.

Doublespeak at its best.

Which is why I carefully did not use the term.
Hairless Kitten
13-01-2009, 18:08
It's weird to see such pictures in a TV show.

"After the break, we're back with more killing"
South Lorenya
13-01-2009, 18:08
That's not using a human shield, as he's using an enemy combatant to block the attack, not a civilian.
Hotwife
13-01-2009, 18:08
It's weird to see such pictures in a TV show.

"After the break, we're back with more killing"

It sells more advertising air time than Jeopardy.
Hairless Kitten
13-01-2009, 18:09
It sells more advertising air time than Jeopardy.

I can imagine. The Roman times are back.
Dododecapod
13-01-2009, 18:10
I can imagine. The Roman times are back.

Like they ever went away. What's American Football but a stylized combat form?
Hairless Kitten
13-01-2009, 18:11
Like they ever went away. What's American Football but a stylized combat form?

Yes, but no lifes are wasted.
Hotwife
13-01-2009, 18:11
Yes, but no lifes are wasted.

Imagine how exciting American football would be with hand grenades.
Call to power
13-01-2009, 18:17
holy shit that was awesome however what officer in his right mind attacks an enemy position? thats what sandbags like me are for :)

Imagine how exciting American football would be with hand grenades.

pfft with all that body armour :p
Hairless Kitten
13-01-2009, 18:22
The video is fake. I don’t see an Israeli F16 bombing a school loaded with children and there are no Palestine guys shooting from inside the classrooms.
Dododecapod
13-01-2009, 18:24
The video is fake. I don’t see an Israeli F16 bombing a school loaded with children and there are no Palestine guys shooting from inside the classrooms.

Good to know you have a sense of humour!:D
The Mindset
13-01-2009, 18:49
The Israelis really are nuts, and not in a good way.
Call to power
13-01-2009, 18:51
The Israelis really are nuts, and not in a good way.

don't act like you wouldn't use your initiative if you was in an elevator with a grenade and a small child :p
The Mindset
13-01-2009, 18:53
don't act like you wouldn't use your initiative if you was in an elevator with a grenade and a small child :p

Yeah, but that's different! Kids deserve to die! As do people who overuse the word "terrorist" to the point where it becomes meaningless.
greed and death
13-01-2009, 19:13
well don't necessarily support the war, but Kudos to the IDF solider for being creative. that's some quick thinking and fast reflexes.
The One Eyed Weasel
13-01-2009, 19:57
Wow, who was that dumb guy running towards the grenade at the end besides the commander?
Saige Dragon
13-01-2009, 20:04
Dude deserves the Rambo Award or something.
Intangelon
13-01-2009, 20:12
Yes, but no lifes are wasted.

Not immediately, no (and it's "lives", not "lifes", unless you meant that no copies of Life magazine were wasted, in which case, you're right).
Gauthier
13-01-2009, 20:49
Human shield? Since when are Palestinians actually considered human?
No Names Left Damn It
13-01-2009, 21:00
Like they ever went away. What's American Football but a stylized combat form?

That's not combat. That's a pussy sport. Anyway, in response to the OP, lol, that's what you get.
Lackadaisical2
13-01-2009, 21:01
Human shield? Since when are Terrorists actually considered human?

I realize its the same thing, but, fixed :) If the smile doesn't give it away I'm joking, I don't think all Palestinians are terrorists
Myrmidonisia
13-01-2009, 21:04
# the encounter ends with a lightly wounded officer and two dead terrorists.
Certainly a better outcome than it could have been. Maybe that lightly wounded officer can parlay those wounds into several Purple Hearts and a Silver Star, then become a questionably natural-born US citizen, then run for President.
Lord Tothe
13-01-2009, 21:10
Proof that the Palestinians need better guns and that grenades aren't as good as in video games.
Nodinia
13-01-2009, 21:14
Imagine how exciting American football would be with hand grenades.

Still 4 hours of drawn out fucking around would result. Trying to get the pin back in when somebody calls time out would be amusing though....
Brogavia
13-01-2009, 21:15
Still 4 hours of drawn out fucking around would result. Trying to get the pin back in when somebody calls time out would be amusing though....

Not really. Just tape the handle down.
Nodinia
13-01-2009, 21:16
Not really. Just tape the handle down.

After you've thrown it...?
Benevulon
13-01-2009, 21:33
I admire, in a grim way, the effectiveness at which modern states have managed to turn the word 'terrorist' from a technique to a kind of person.

Doublespeak at its best.

The word used in Hebrew is 'mechabel', which means 'saboteur'.
DaWoad
13-01-2009, 21:41
now this should definitely go into the infantry handbook on "how to defend against enemy grenade attack with enemy in close proximity." or . . .possibly "appropriate alternatives to jumping on a grenade."
The Brevious
14-01-2009, 08:01
Holy schmidt!
A Hotwife thread without flames!
Well, between posters, or at Hotwife, at least. :p
Hotwife
14-01-2009, 16:14
Holy schmidt!
A Hotwife thread without flames!
Well, between posters, or at Hotwife, at least. :p

They do happen. I'm still waiting for someone to say that the Israeli tactic of throwing enemies on live grenades is a human rights violation.
The One Eyed Weasel
14-01-2009, 17:33
They do happen. I'm still waiting for someone to say that the Israeli tactic of throwing enemies on live grenades is a human rights violation.

Well it is cruel and unusual...


*runs*