NationStates Jolt Archive

(CNN) -- An Alaska lottery held to raise money for a group that helps sexual abuse victims had a surprise winner:
a convicted sex offender.


Alec Ahsoak, who according to the state sex offender registry was convicted in 1993 and 2000 for
sexual abuse of a minor, came forward Saturday with the winning ticket for the
$500,000 Lucky Time Pull Tabs jackpot.

Proceeds of the lottery help Standing Together Against Rape in Anchorage, a nonprofit group that
offers support to sexual assault victims among other services.

"It's not how we had envisioned the story going," Nancy Haag, the group's executive director,
told CNN Radio.

Alaska has the highest per capita number of rape cases in the United States, according to
FBI statistics.

"With a ranking that high, it's ironic that the person who wins is a convicted sex offender,"
Haag added.

Ahsoak's past was first revealed by KTUU-TV in Anchorage on Sunday. His attorney, Lance Wells,
did not immediately return a call Monday from CNN.

Efforts to reach lottery organizer Abe Spicola, who owns Lucky Times Pull Tabs, were unsuccessful
late Monday. But Spicola told the Anchorage Daily News that Ahsoak "was going to buy a house
and said he was going to donate part of it to God, and, you know, charity."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/13/sex.offender.lottery/index.html#cnnSTCText


In a way this is not funny. :)

"With a ranking that high, it's ironic that the person who wins is a convicted sex offender,"
Haag added.
No. The story is ironic anyway, Alaska's rape-crazed populace makes it slightly less ironic, because one's surprise at the reversal is not as great when the chances of such a reversal are higher.
Other than quibbling about the definition of irony, I have nothing to add.

The irony of this slaps you in the face. Its painful.

That's the thing with a lottery.......it's a lottery as to who buys the tickets

If there was nothing to stop him buying a ticket, and they were happy to take his money, then there's not much they can do

[I](CNN) -- An Alaska lottery held to raise money for a group that helps sexual abuse victims
- So, apparently, the sex offenders have paid the money for the tickets, and ultimately the lottery has gathered a lot more than it gave away in prizes.


had a surprise winner: a convicted sex offender.
Was he out of the prison? If so, it doesn't matter, he's served his time.

And hey, victims of imprisonment could use some help too. A lot more than sexual abuse victims, in fact. It's actually the ultimate justice, the lottery has helped both sides, rather than being one-sided as envisioned originally. Such things make me suspect God might ultimately exist.


In a way this is not funny. :)
Disagreed, this is funny in every way!

I agree with Vault 10.

This is a non-story. The tone of the original article sounds like somehow something regrettable has happened. Who cares? As has been said, if the guy served his time and is compliant with all of his requirements, then lucky him for winning.

That's the thing with a lottery.......it's a lottery as to who buys the tickets

If there was nothing to stop him buying a ticket, and they were happy to take his money, then there's not much they can do

Fortunately, a receipt counts as consent. ;)

Actually on second thought only a single doom filled phrase comes to mind...

Where's your God now?

He also wins a dreamdate with little 3-years-old Lucy :)

Referring to him as a "pedophile" may be a stretch. All we know about him is that he was convicted of "abuse of a minor", and that covers some pretty broad ground.

Referring to him as a "pedophile" may be a stretch. All we know about him is that he was convicted of "abuse of a minor", and that covers some pretty broad ground.

The article said sexual abuse of a minor. Which is about as specific as I want to know.

The article said sexual abuse of a minor. Which is about as specific as I want to know.

Fair enough, but pedophile has a very specific meaning, and may or may not apply here.

Fair enough, but pedophile has a very specific meaning, and may or may not apply here.

So a sexual abuser of a minor isn’t necessarily a pedophile? Explain.

So a sexual abuser of a minor isn’t necessarily a pedophile? Explain.

Pedophilia is a sexual attraction for children. "Minor" doesn't necessarily mean a child. Furthermore, the sexual abuse may not have been related to any sexual desire on the part of the culprit at all.

So a sexual abuser of a minor isn’t necessarily a pedophile? Explain.

Certainly. A pedophile is someone who derives sexual pleasure from "activities" with children. Sexual abuse of a Minor merely means that he was caught doing something sexual with a person below the age of consent - which, depending on the age of consent laws in Alaska and his age at the time, could be as old as 20.

I'm not saying he isn't a pedophile, but we have no data by which to determine this.

"One of those who want Ahsoak to pay compensation to his victims is the father of two of them, Rev. Bob Martin. Rev. Martin says Ahsoak sexually assaulted his two daughters, who were 4 and 5 at the time of the first assaults in 1993. Martin says he first met Ahsoak in Bible college in 1984, and about 10 years later Martin opened his home to Ahsoak. In return, Ahsoak helped out by babysitting Martin's two young daughters. But the girls later confided in their aunt that Ahsoak was sexually abusing them. Ahsoak was arrested, convicted and served four years. And after Ahsoak was arrested, he admitted to Rev. Martin that he had done this many times before and never got caught."

http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2009/01/ktuu-poll-shows-58-percent-of.html

In the local newspapers here, he was directly labeled as a pedophile.

"One of those who want Ahsoak to pay compensation to his victims is the father of two of them, Rev. Bob Martin. Rev. Martin says Ahsoak sexually assaulted his two daughters, who were 4 and 5 at the time of the first assaults in 1993. Martin says he first met Ahsoak in Bible college in 1984, and about 10 years later Martin opened his home to Ahsoak. In return, Ahsoak helped out by babysitting Martin's two young daughters. But the girls later confided in their aunt that Ahsoak was sexually abusing them. Ahsoak was arrested, convicted and served four years. And after Ahsoak was arrested, he admitted to Rev. Martin that he had done this many times before and never got caught."

http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2009/01/ktuu-poll-shows-58-percent-of.html

In the local newspapers here, he was directly labeled as a pedophile.

Okay, NOW pedophile is a good term to use.

At least he has lot of money now to buy looooooooots of candy. :)

Not really since one can "sexual assault" without, again, having any sexual attraction for your victim. There are plenty of ways to sexually assault someone - genital mutilation for example - that obviously don't involve any sexual attraction period.

Like I said, I don't really want to know the details needed in order to classify the guy as a pedophile or what.

At least he has lot of money now to buy looooooooots of candy. :)

And a big white van.

Actually on second thought only a single doom filled phrase comes to mind...

Where's your God now?

God only gets involved with people who worship him, or otherwise believe in him. That's why Hurricane Katrina didn't flood the French Quarter.

When the Rapture comes, the Christians aren't going to paradise. They're being taken into the Cosmic Principal's Office for a stern reprimand and eternal detention.

The rest of the population will look around and say "where the hell'd Liberty University go?"

The actual title of the LaHaye series should have been "Left Alone."

The irony of this slaps you in the face. Its painful.

I'd say irony cock slapped 'em in the face, but that'd be wrong.

So a sexual abuser of a minor isn’t necessarily a pedophile? Explain.

do you know the difference between desire and action?

do you know the difference between desire and action?

I would further refine that by saying that techincally, a pedophile is someone who has sexual attraction ONLY to children, as opposed to someone who has such leanings in addition to an otherwise normal sexual appetite.

Actually on second thought only a single doom filled phrase comes to mind...

Where's your God now?

Last time I saw Him, He was naked, rooting around in the bins outside Burger King and repeatedly slapping innocent passers-by round the face with his massive schlong. No, wait. That was John Major.

The irony of this slaps you in the face. Its painful.
Here's the part where the irony cock wilts or explodes.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/crime/story/652748.html
Tire iron.

Here's the part where the irony cock wilts or explodes.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/crime/story/652748.html
Tire iron.":eek: Something good happened to a guy who committed a crime, even though he did his time in jail, and is on probation. Let's go beat him up, because he obviously doesn't deserve anything! It's not like he can change, or anything!"
:rolleyes: I can imagine that scene playing out.

":eek: Something good happened to a guy who committed a crime, even though he did his time in jail, and is on probation. Let's go beat him up, because he obviously doesn't deserve anything! It's not like he can change, or anything!"
:rolleyes: I can imagine that scene playing out.The longdark does a number on the noodle up here, at times.

The longdark does a number on the noodle up here, at times.I can only imagine. ;)

So a sexual abuser of a minor isn’t necessarily a pedophile? Explain.

Oh I had that argument with a declared pedophile on the boards a long time ago.

Basically the argument goes; pedophiles are just people that are attracted to children. One that abuses them are really criminals and not really pedophiles.

The funny thing is that he went on to explain that children are really sexual and the society teaches them it's bad.....

I can only imagine. ;)Oh yes ... as i'd intimated on a different thread, i'm a statistic.

Basically the argument goes; pedophiles are just people that are attracted to children. One that abuses them are really criminals and not really pedophiles.

And, as mentioned, pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children. A 50 year old man that fancies a 12 year old girl who already menstruates is therefor not a pedophile ("efebophile" would be a more accurate term)- though if he acts on his desires he IS a criminal.

Well, in most western societies at least.

In addition, an 18 year old boy having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend can in some states/countries be convicted for sexual abuse of a minor.

The funny thing is that he went on to explain that children are really sexual and the society teaches them it's bad.....

Theoretically possible. The view was certainly held during the days of Rome, as well as in the Hippie era.
Does make one wonder how many people here on the boards who were once hippies did have some fun with kiddies back then - and have now conveniently forgotten all about that ;)

Oh I had that argument with a declared pedophile on the boards a long time ago.

Basically the argument goes; pedophiles are just people that are attracted to children. One that abuses them are really criminals and not really pedophiles.

The funny thing is that he went on to explain that children are really sexual and the society teaches them it's bad.....

Familiar with Brave New World?

do you know the difference between desire and action?

Yes, do you? I think that abuse is more than only desire.

Oh I had that argument with a declared pedophile on the boards a long time ago.

Basically the argument goes; pedophiles are just people that are attracted to children. One that abuses them are really criminals and not really pedophiles.

The funny thing is that he went on to explain that children are really sexual and the society teaches them it's bad.....

yuk

"One of those who want Ahsoak to pay compensation to his victims is the father of two of them, Rev. Bob Martin. Rev. Martin says Ahsoak sexually assaulted his two daughters, who were 4 and 5 at the time of the first assaults in 1993. Martin says he first met Ahsoak in Bible college in 1984, and about 10 years later Martin opened his home to Ahsoak. In return, Ahsoak helped out by babysitting Martin's two young daughters. But the girls later confided in their aunt that Ahsoak was sexually abusing them. Ahsoak was arrested, convicted and served four years. And after Ahsoak was arrested, he admitted to Rev. Martin that he had done this many times before and never got caught."

http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2009/01/ktuu-poll-shows-58-percent-of.html

In the local newspapers here, he was directly labeled as a pedophile.


Sexual assault doesn't necessarily confirm sexual desire, rape is frequently about power, not sexual attraction. A child molester? Yes. A paedophile? Probably, but we don't have the information to confirm that.

I can't help but feel that the assumption that, despite having served his allotted internment, the winner remains a rampant, inveterate kiddy-fiddler, casts a poor reflection on confidence in the efficacy of the judicial system.

I can't help but feel that the assumption that, despite having served his allotted internment, the winner remains a rampant, inveterate kiddy-fiddler, casts a poor reflection on confidence in the efficacy of the judicial system.

Where does it say that he still touches children?

Where does it say that he still touches children?

It doesn't, that's my point.

I can't help but feel that the assumption that, despite having served his allotted internment, the winner remains a rampant, inveterate kiddy-fiddler, casts a poor reflection on confidence in the efficacy of the judicial system.
Modern, western prisons only exist so that people can make jokes about prison rape or make exploitationist documentaries/dramas about how brutal prison life is. As such, they not only perform their appointed tasks with remarkable efficacy, but provide the bonus service of being recruitment centers and hostels for organized crime.

Modern, western prisons only exist so that people can make jokes about prison rape or make exploitationist documentaries/dramas about how brutal prison life is. As such, they not only perform their appointed tasks with remarkable efficacy, but provide the bonus service of being recruitment centers and hostels for organized crime.

You forgot their role as an unequalled market for the sale of drugs at extortionate prices.

Modern, western prisons only exist so that people can make jokes about prison rape or make exploitationist documentaries/dramas about how brutal prison life is. As such, they not only perform their appointed tasks with remarkable efficacy, but provide the bonus service of being recruitment centers and hostels for organized crime.

They also give people something to protest the building of in their neighborhoods despite their demands for more of them in general. Nuclear power plants can't fill that need alone. *nod*