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I know this falls far short of completely healing the damage done by the selection of Rev. Warren to participate in Obama's inauguration, but hopefully it will take away some of the sting and sends a positive signal. New Hampshire Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson and Rev. Sharon E. Watkins, general minister of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), have been added to the inaugural festivities.

Gay bishop gets role at Obama inauguration event (http://uk.reuters.com/article/burningIssues/idUKTRE50B56O20090112)
An openly gay bishop will deliver a prayer for President-elect Barack Obama in an inauguration event on Sunday that could help defuse controversy over an anti-gay pastor who will give the main invocation.

New Hampshire Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, at the center of the Anglican church's global battle over homosexuality, will speak on Sunday on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, where civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his famous "I Have a Dream" speech in 1963.

"I'm just overwhelmed and so humbled by this invitation," Robinson said in a telephone interview.

Many Democratic Party activists and gay rights advocates who supported Obama sharply criticized his choice of Rick Warren, an evangelical pastor, to give the invocation when the next president takes office on January 20, saying it undermined the Democrat's vows of inclusiveness.

Robinson has called the choice of Warren a slap in the face. But he said on Monday he did not believe Obama invited him in response to the Warren criticism but his prayer would help ease concerns among gay and lesbians.

He said he believed the invitation, which came about two weeks ago, was made because he endorsed Obama in May last year. The two also met during the presidential primary.

"But this will certainly not go unnoticed in the gay and lesbian community," he said. "It's important for the people to feel represented." *snip*

Bishop Gene Robinson gets inaugural role (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2009/01/bishop_gene_rob.html)

Bishop V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the only openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church, has been asked to give the invocation at the first official inaugural activity, a welcome event with the president-elect on Sunday afternoon on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Robinson had been critical of president-elect Barack Obama for asking Rick Warren, the evangelical pastor who encouraged voters to overturn same-sex marriage in California, to deliver the invocation at the inauguration.

Episcopal Cafe has an e-mail from Robinson:
"I am writing to tell you that President-Elect Obama and the Inaugural Committee have invited me to give the invocation at the opening event of the Inaugural Week activities, “We are One,” to be held at the Lincoln Memorial, Sunday, January 18, at 2:00 pm. It will be an enormous honor to offer prayers for the country and the new president, standing on the holy ground where the “I have a dream speech” was delivered by Dr. King, surrounded by the inspiring and reconciling words of Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address. It is also an indication of the new president’s commitment to being the President of ALL the people. I am humbled and overjoyed at this invitation, and it will be my great honor to be there representing the Episcopal Church, the people of New Hampshire, and all of us in the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community."

The Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights organization, praised the choice:
“Bishop Robinson models what prayer should be—spiritual reflection put into action for justice,” said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. “It is encouraging that the president-elect has chosen this spiritual hero for all Americans to lead the nation in prayer at the Lincoln Memorial inaugural concert.”

Although there has been some debate about whether Warren should use the name of Jesus in his inauguration day prayer, Robinson made it clear, in an interview with the Concord Monitor, that he will offer a non-sectarian prayer at the Sunday event. He said he will not use the Bible as his text, saying:

"While that is a holy and sacred text to me, it is not for many Americans," Robinson said. "I will be careful not to be especially Christian in my prayer. This is a prayer for the whole nation."

*snip*

Also this weekend, the Presidential Inaugural Committee announced that the Rev. Sharon E. Watkins, general minister of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), will give the sermon at the National Prayer Service on Wednesday, January 21st, the day after the inauguration.

The selections of Robinson and Watkins, effectively diversifying a slate of inaugural preachers that already included Warren and the Rev. Joseph E. Lowery, a civil rights leader who is giving the benediction at the inauguration, drew praise from Integrity USA, an organization that advocates for gay rights within the Episcopal Church:
"Bishop Robinson’s selection by the President-elect to pray God’s blessings on the opening event of the Inaugural week is good news not only for gay and lesbian Americans but for all who share the audacious hope of a nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all are created equal," said Integrity President Susan Russell. "It also gives us hope that the age of an ‘America’s Pastor’ is behind us and that we enter a new era where diverse voices of faith speak from the particularity of their own experience of God’s grace, love and power. While there are many miles to go before we are done with racism, sexism and homophobia in this country, we look forward to Barack Obama’s inauguration, to Sharon Watkins’ sermon and to Gene Robinson’s prayers as signs of great progress and profound hope."

I like the use of the phrase "openly gay bishop," which just begs the question of how gay bishops there are who just haven't come out of the closet.

Obama's completely abandoning the religious right with this middle-finger of a speaker.

Beat me to this by a minute TCT.


On topic, I approve. Not much else that can really be said. I actually do hope he talks a big pro-gay rights speech during his alotment.

Obama's completely abandoning the religious right with this middle-finger of a speaker.

More than he lost with his wanker gesture of a reverend?

Who cares? The political allegiance of the invisible pink pony worshipper means jack shit.

I like the use of the phrase "openly gay bishop," which just begs the question of how gay bishops there are who just haven't come out of the closet.

Well if we all knew they wouldn't really be in the closet would they?

Obama's completely abandoning the religious right with this middle-finger of a speaker.

Good. We had the religious right in power for long enough. They didn't vote for him, they opposed him all the way, they take away fundamental rights - I'm not quite sure why I should be worried about him doing something that irritates them.

Who cares? The political allegiance of the invisible pink pony worshipper means jack shit.

Precisely. And this is supposed to be a modern, secular country (well, you know, was meant to be, but failed horrifically almost immediately...) - what is all this clergy doing at the investiture of the country's highest political office? This numinous nonsense and poppycock is ridiculous on its own, mixing it into government is revolting and, frankly, imbecilic.

Precisely. And this is supposed to be a modern, secular country (well, you know, was meant to be, but failed horrifically almost immediately...) - what is all this clergy doing at the investiture of the country's highest political office? This numinous nonsense and poppycock is ridiculous on its own, mixing it into government is revolting and, frankly, imbecilic.

But it's tradition

So god forbid you change it.....

This does make me feel a little reassured, although Obama left the poison of the Warren invitation hanging in the air too long.

Precisely. And this is supposed to be a modern, secular country (well, you know, was meant to be, but failed horrifically almost immediately...) - what is all this clergy doing at the investiture of the country's highest political office? This numinous nonsense and poppycock is ridiculous on its own, mixing it into government is revolting and, frankly, imbecilic.

I still think he should of gone with an Imam and a copy of the Qur'an. Just to fuck with the rednecks.

I still think he should of gone with an Imam and a copy of the Qur'an. Just to fuck with the rednecks.

A gay Imam.

so Obama is planning on coming out of the closet at this ceremony?

A gay, black and made of British hemp leaves Imam.

fixed.

Precisely. And this is supposed to be a modern, secular country (well, you know, was meant to be, but failed horrifically almost immediately...) - what is all this clergy doing at the investiture of the country's highest political office?

Because he feels like it. It's his swearing in, he can receive whatever ceremony, or speech, or prayer on his behalf that he wants.

Because he feels like it.

wasn't McCain the emotional toddler one :confused:

Precisely. And this is supposed to be a modern, secular country (well, you know, was meant to be, but failed horrifically almost immediately...) - what is all this clergy doing at the investiture of the country's highest political office? This numinous nonsense and poppycock is ridiculous on its own, mixing it into government is revolting and, frankly, imbecilic.

Then his plan is working, because he is only having prayers there to piss you off.

I can not comprehend why some gays are Christian. :confused:

I can not comprehend why some gays are Christian. :confused:

They have the hots for Jesus.

I can not comprehend why some gays are Christian. :confused:
Eh you have some bits of the Bible which are like "buttsecks is kk" and other bits which are like "if you are a gay, you ought to be tarred and feathered for being a total bitchass". So you can sorta pick and choose.

Seems like Obama is doing what he said he'd do and inviting people from different sides to participate instead of just the ones he (or you) like. Because he has to work in a democratic political system, and because he ran on "one America", this shouldn't really be surprising.

I'm not sure this means any more or any less than the Warren pick. Why not wait until he's had at least a few weeks in office before you praise or condemn his Presidency?

I can not comprehend why some gays are Christian. :confused:

Gay people can delude themselves just as much as straight people can and sometimes just happen to have the same focus for the delusions.

I should do the Invocation.

I'll boink whoever they want me to while I speak. *nod*

I should do the Invocation.

I'll boink whoever they want me to while I speak. *nod*

I second this motion.

Third

I like the use of the phrase "openly gay bishop," which just begs the question of how gay bishops there are who just haven't come out of the closet.

They're all going to announce their sexuality together on inauguration day in a fabulous group de-closeting. Then they're going to attack Rev. Warren with shower curtains. The guys in charge of the gay agenda told me. But they wouldn't give me names, because I'm only half gay.

Precisely. And this is supposed to be a modern, secular country (well, you know, was meant to be, but failed horrifically almost immediately...) - what is all this clergy doing at the investiture of the country's highest political office? This numinous nonsense and poppycock is ridiculous on its own, mixing it into government is revolting and, frankly, imbecilic.

What's the Swedish word for poppycock, and does it have anything to do with cocks?

I can not comprehend why some gays are Christian. :confused:

Because believing in Christ and his message is substantially different than believing in the Christian Church, or even much of the Bible, for many people. There are many Christian denominations that do not believe homosexuality is immoral or unnatural. Now, why any gay person would be Mormon, I confess I don't know, except that maybe they really like the underwear.

I can not comprehend why some gays are Christian. :confused:

Possibly because some people are sensible enough to ignore the stupid bits of the Bible and just stick to the gist of the message, which, like that of most religions, is something like, "Don't be a dick, okay?"

Now, gay people being evangelical "fundamentalist" Christians, that would be weird.

Because believing in Christ and his message is substantially different than believing in the Christian Church, or even much of the Bible, for many people. There are many Christian denominations that do not believe homosexuality is immoral or unnatural. Now, why any gay person would be Mormon, I confess I don't know, except that maybe they really like the underwear.

Darn it, get out of my brain. :p

Now, gay people being evangelical "fundamentalist" Christians, that would be weird.

Some of them are. They usually just hide it and then hire a gay hooker to do meth with them and fuck them in the ass.


Then, when caught, they claim they only wanted a "massage".

Some of them are. They usually just hide it and then hire a gay hooker to do meth with them and fuck them in the ass.


Then, when caught, they claim they only wanted a "massage".

Like I said - weird. :tongue:

How many prayers is this thing going to have? Is anyone else pissed off? If we get two more does the nation get a free cheeseburger? Do Catholic masses have this many prayers?

How many prayers is this thing going to have? Is anyone else pissed off? If we get two more does the nation get a free cheeseburger? Do Catholic masses have this many prayers?

We're doing it to give Fass something to rant about. It's part of Obama's new strategy to work with the rest of the world.

Do Catholic masses have this many prayers?

Yes.

Or, well, at least it seemed that way when I was eight years old and had to sit through the things a minimum of three times per week. If you'd asked me then, I probably would have estimated the number of prayers per mass at about 47,000. So it could be worse! :p

Yes.

Or, well, at least it seemed that way when I was eight years old and had to sit through the things a minimum of three times per week. If you'd asked me then, I probably would have estimated the number of prayers per mass at about 47,000. So it could be worse! :p
I seem to remember the same thing as a non-Catholic attending Catholic school in what was one of the longest school years of my life.

I was really pulling for the cheeseburger thing. I totally want a cheeseburger.

I seem to remember the same thing as a non-Catholic attending Catholic school in what was one of the longest school years of my life.

I was really pulling for the cheeseburger thing. I totally want a cheeseburger.

Mmmm....cheeseburger. *drool*

We're doing it to give Fass something to rant about.
Pff...talk about shooting fish in a barrel...

Obama's completely abandoning the religious right with this middle-finger of a speaker.

Good. America is far better off without their influence.

We're doing it to give Fass something to rant about. It's part of Obama's new strategy to work with the rest of the world.

Pff...talk about shooting fish in a barrel...

I think we just found out who he really is...

http://www.pbs.org/weta/reportingamericaatwar/reporters/images/photo_rooney_interview.jpg

I know this falls far short of completely healing the damage done by the selection of Rev. Warren...take away some of the sting

'Damage?' 'Take away some of the sting?' Really? You don't think that might be a bit of hyperbole there?

Robinson made it clear, in an interview with the Concord Monitor, that he will offer a non-sectarian prayer at the Sunday event. He said he will not use the Bible as his text

I don't know, I don't think anybody(anybody with sense, anyways) would be shocked if a bishop from a Christian church prayed to God or talked about the Bible. I mean, it's kind of a requirement of the position isn't it?

what is all this clergy doing at the investiture of the country's highest political office? This numinous nonsense and poppycock is ridiculous on its own, mixing it into government is revolting and, frankly, imbecilic.

What's it to you? It sticks in your craw so much, don't watch it. That's assuming they'll even carry it in Sweden. I would think Swedish TV would more focussed on whatever is happening in Sweden

Who cares? The political allegiance of the invisible pink pony worshipper means jack shit.

QFT.

Also, I don't understand this display of religion in public, expecially during official moments of States formally separated from the Church(es). It is somewhat obscene.

It constantly bemuses me how religion continuously interferes with government.

Unfortunately, it does it in my country too, so I have to stay off my pedestal. :(

Anyway, back on topic, I think if Obama wanted to show that he is bringing together everyone (which is not always a bad thing), he should at least have switched the roles around, and given the fundy the more minimal role. It would have shown his conviction to abondoning the ridiculous influence of the angry minority.

Unfortunately, it does it in my country too, so I have to stay off my pedestal. :(


At least, you don't have the pope around.

Because believing in Christ and his message is substantially different than believing in the Christian Church, or even much of the Bible, for many people. There are many Christian denominations that do not believe homosexuality is immoral or unnatural. Now, why any gay person would be Mormon, I confess I don't know, except that maybe they really like the underwear.

No I still dont get it. Jesus is an historical figure. You can respect historical figures without making a religion for them. I respect Ghandi's peaceful nature but I'm not following a religion after him.

Of course if you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the incarnation of God, thats a different matter.

And I think all Christian denominations think homosexual acts are sinful tho some are half tolerant and are like love the sinner hate the sin or we all sin or stuff like that. :rolleyes:


Possibly because some people are sensible enough to ignore the stupid bits of the Bible and just stick to the gist of the message, which, like that of most religions, is something like, "Don't be a dick, okay?"

Now, gay people being evangelical "fundamentalist" Christians, that would be weird.

Umm, so in order not to be a dick, you have to subscribe to an abrahamic religion when their histories are clear?

It constantly bemuses me how religion continuously interferes with government.

Unfortunately, it does it in my country too, so I have to stay off my pedestal. :(


What interests me is that some people still base their morals on religion when religions have a rather bad history. I mean the things that were justified based on religions. And not just by fundemantalists but sanctioned by leaders (eg: Inquisition and Pope).


Anyway, back on topic, I think if Obama wanted to show that he is bringing together everyone (which is not always a bad thing), he should at least have switched the roles around, and given the fundy the more minimal role. It would have shown his conviction to abondoning the ridiculous influence of the angry minority.

Yea, good point. But we already had a huge thread about Obama and Warren, it got boring.

At least, you don't have the pope around.

Hey, if y'all don't want the Pope in Italy anymore, we'll make space for him and the Vatican here in America. Vanderbilt moved London Bridge here(I think), and that was just for his ego, I'm sure we could find space for the Holy Father. Tell you what, we'll trade you the U.N.

Hey, if y'all don't want the Pope in Italy anymore, we'll make space for him and the Vatican here in America. Vanderbilt moved London Bridge here(I think), and that was just for his ego, I'm sure we could find space for the Holy Father. Tell you what, we'll trade you the U.N.

I can offer 13k€ if you take the Pope and give us the rest of the UN (we already got FAO HQ). I know it's not much, but it's all I have - unless you want my 18-years-old VW Polo, I can give you that, too.

Maybe I'll start raising funds for removing the Pope. I'm sure we can reach a pair of M€ within a week.

As for the buildings and the stuff inside Vatican City, hell no, that's our stuff. We paid for them through 1600 years, now it's ours!

Btw, afaik London Bridge (that is, the Tower Bridge) is still in London.

I can offer 13k€ if you take the Pope and give us the rest of the UN (we already got FAO HQ). I know it's not much, but it's all I have - unless you want my 18-years-old VW Polo, I can give you that, too.
Maybe I'll start raising funds for removing the Pope. I'm sure we can reach a pair of M€ within a week. As for the buildings and the stuff inside Vatican City, hell no, that's our stuff. We paid for them through 1600 years, now it's ours! Btw, afaik London Bridge (that is, the Tower Bridge) is still in London.

Those little things that look like Greek 'E's are the sign for Euros, right? What's that in real money? ;) I'll let you keep the VW, I've got a Ford pick-up truck that I've got running just the way I like it(plus I don't think there's room for a gun rack in a VW) You can keep the Vatican buildings, too, but what about the papal furnishings and the archives and stuff? The Pope's got have his Pope stuff around.

As far as London Bridge goes, one of our robber barons bought some chunk of European history and had it carted over here, but I don't remember exactly what it was and I didn't feel like looking it up.

Those little things that look like Greek 'E's are the sign for Euros, right? What's that in real money?

About 19340 ChF. Or 117000 yuan-renminbi. ;)

;) I'll let you keep the VW, I've got a Ford pick-up truck that I've got running just the way I like it(plus I don't think there's room for a gun rack in a VW)
Yes there is. On the rooftop. Plus, my Polo's got a roof hatch, which you could use to create a MMG hardmount. :D

You can keep the Vatican buildings, too, but what about the papal furnishings and the archives and stuff? The Pope's got have his Pope stuff around.
Furnishings and archives can go, but the items of the Musei Vaticani have to stay. You can also take those funny-dressed swiss guards, and all the nuns you want.

About 19340 ChF. Or 117000 yuan-renminbi. ;)

The second one is Chinese currency? What's the first one? I notice when I mentioned 'real money' you didn't convert it to lire ;)

my Polo's got a roof hatch, which you could use to create a MMG hardmount.

Interesting, but I'm not a survivalist/militia nut, I'm just a guy who likes to keep his various firearms close at hand

Furnishings and archives can go, but the items of the Musei Vaticani have to stay. You can also take those funny-dressed swiss guards, and all the nuns you want.

Deal. Once we ship you all those U.N. clowns, we can finally put those buildings to a good use, and install the Pope and his goods in them. Or maybe he'd want something more old-fashioned, in which case it's the Nat'l Cathedral. We'll take the Swiss guards gladly, they're no joke. I'm sure we can find a place for the nuns, as well.

The second one is Chinese currency? What's the first one? I notice when I mentioned 'real money' you didn't convert it to lire ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHF
Bit lazy, aren't we?
Yes, the second one is the PRC's convertible currency.

I cannot write here how many lire it is, there is a limit on post size! ;)

Interesting, but I'm not a survivalist/militia nut, I'm just a guy who likes to keep his various firearms close at hand
Then there's a drawer where you can fit a .45 revolver without problems.

Deal. Once we ship you all those U.N. clowns, we can finally put those buildings to a good use, and install the Pope and his goods in them. Or maybe he'd want something more old-fashioned, in which case it's the Nat'l Cathedral. We'll take the Swiss guards gladly, they're no joke. I'm sure we can find a place for the nuns, as well.
YAY! Europe is now POPE-FREE! Send me your IBAN to complete the transaction! :D :D :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHF
Bit lazy, aren't we? Yes, the second one is the PRC's convertible currency.

I prefer to think of it as motivationally-challenged. Besides, I can't be expected to remember every currency out there, especially when 90% of them are measured in 1/100th's of a dollar.

Then there's a drawer where you can fit a .45 revolver without problems.

I've never liked revolvers. I prefer the .45 automatic. The old USMC Colt M1911A1. That's a gun that will make an assailant immediately regret his decision.

YAY! Europe is now POPE-FREE! Send me your IBAN to complete the transaction!

IBAN? You lost me there with your fancy Eurotech-speak. Howzabout you just send me crates full of money and the Pope, and I'll send you crates of useless bureaucrats?

Well if we all knew they wouldn't really be in the closet would they?

Not necessarily true! We all know Fred Phelps is probably gay, and he still hasn't admitted it.

I prefer to think of it as motivationally-challenged.
This definition of laziness is almost sigworthy. Though... *whap* Political correctness! It is "diversely motivated". ;)



I've never liked revolvers. I prefer the .45 automatic. The old USMC Colt M1911A1. Nice gun (though revolvers are more - well - classic). Anyway I used the .45 rev as example of a really big pistol.


IBAN? You lost me there with your fancy Eurotech-speak.
Oops, I forgot that over there you don't have International Bank Account Numbers.

Howzabout you just send me crates full of money and the Pope, and I'll send you crates of useless bureaucrats?
Aye aye, matey, chestfuls o'dobloons an'chestfuls o'priests! Arr, will that do? p)

What interests me is that some people still base their morals on religion when religions have a rather bad history. I mean the things that were justified based on religions. And not just by fundemantalists but sanctioned by leaders (eg: Inquisition and Pope)

Morals are whatever people will let you get away with in a given place at a given time ... morals have nothing to do with "right" or "wrong" in any objective sense.

It was once moral to own slaves in the USA; it is moral to waste water and electricity and to buy overpackaged crap today in most places in the USA.

Ethics at least ~attempts~ to arrive at a reasoned and systematic concept of "right action" (in parallel to aesthetics) to achieve a "good life".


So, no matter what the track record of organized religion, putting the "religious authority" in charge of right and wrong ... is wrong ... if you want people to be personally responsible, and to make choices that are not bound to "conventional morality."

Hey, if y'all don't want the Pope in Italy anymore, we'll make space for him and the Vatican here in America. Vanderbilt moved London Bridge here(I think), and that was just for his ego, I'm sure we could find space for the Holy Father. Tell you what, we'll trade you the U.N.

I totally support that makes driving in New York A real pain.

The pope would fit right in here.


With regard to other thing . The bible say a lot of stuff.

We should not judge others

Let him/her who is without sin cast the first stone

Everything is forgivable.

When you find someone you disagree with you are suppose to explain the problem to an impartial person. If you both agree and the person refuses to change you get another up to 3. Then you get someone from the church to say so. If that doesn't work you are suppose to let God sort it out no further action is required.

London Bridge is now in Lake Havasu, Arizona (http://www.roadtripamerica.com/places/havasu.htm)

Hey, if y'all don't want the Pope in Italy anymore, we'll make space for him and the Vatican here in America. Vanderbilt moved London Bridge here(I think), and that was just for his ego, I'm sure we could find space for the Holy Father. Tell you what, we'll trade you the U.N.

No, we wont.

Obama's completely abandoning the religious right with this middle-finger of a speaker.

umm nope, he merely is showing that eveyone is welcome. .he has a televangelist againsgt gay marriage, a gay bishop, a female bishop, and a sort of neutral methodist pastor ...

the only thing he doesnt have are other religious figures. .

maybe he should include them in too, but not for prayers or officila anythinhs ..

Obama's completely abandoning the religious right with this middle-finger of a speaker.

I think its awesome that so many people are taking this as a serious comment.

How many prayers is this thing going to have? Is anyone else pissed off? If we get two more does the nation get a free cheeseburger? Do Catholic masses have this many prayers?

He hasn't invited the Pagans to do a ritual! I am outraged!

/sarcasm

And I think all Christian denominations think homosexual acts are sinful tho some are half tolerant and are like love the sinner hate the sin or we all sin or stuff like that. :rolleyes:

Quakers don't. UCC doesn't last I checked. Episcopalians don't.

I know this falls far short of completely healing the damage done by the selection of Rev. Warren to participate in Obama's inauguration, but hopefully it will take away some of the sting and sends a positive signal.

That's right, because nobody with a dissenting opinion has any place whatsoever in our modern society!

Keep the heretics out. Unity, Comrades!

That's right, because nobody with a dissenting opinion has any place whatsoever in our modern society!

Keep the heretics out. Unity, Comrades!

No, dissenters have a place. People who compare homosexuality to pedophelia dont.


I personally was ok with Warren however. After eight years of the president demonizing and ignoring the other side, all the while saying they are emblodening the enemy and so should just shut up and agree if they really love America, Im glad we have a guy who lets the other side feel represented.

He hasn't invited the Pagans to do a ritual! I am outraged!

/sarcasmWhy are Atheist so under-represented? Does Obama hate Atheist!? :mad:

:p

Huzzah for total heresy!

That's right, because nobody with a dissenting opinion has any place whatsoever in our modern society!

Keep the heretics out. Unity, Comrades!

You clearly closely followed the long thread in these forums on the invitation to Rev. Warren (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=576867) or you wouldn't be able to so accurately describe my view. :rolleyes:

Quakers don't. UCC doesn't last I checked. Episcopalians don't.

UCC (2.5 mil) and Quakers (350,000) are negligable given their size compared to approximately 2 billion xtians worldwide.

Episcopalians:

"Despite these affirmations of gay rights, the GC affirmed in 1991 that "physical sexual expression" is only appropriate within the monogamous, lifelong "union of husband and wife."[36] Although some dioceses within the Episcopal Church bless same-sex unions, the church as a whole does not."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_(United_States)

Meh....My only disappointment is in that he isnt being sworn in on the Dictionary...

I had hoped that the religious would be snubbed....Although, I guess political Common sense says that would give them a massive weapon...so, I suppose its not all bad....

So, who's going to give the reacharound?

So, who's going to give the reacharound?

If some of other outspoken anti-gay pastors are any indication, Rick Warren.

Barf. Things like this just remind me of how desperately I wish to see my country stop letting superstitious cranks host important political events.

He said it when he was starting out. Surely there has to a "middle ground" somewhere. Keep both side talking that way they are not shooting at each other. Hopefully it will keep them out of the courts as well.

No, we wont.

Why not? It's not like they're doing anything useful that'll be missed. Plus, the Europeans can stick them in Geneva or The Hague or wherever it is that they keep their useless bureaucrats and let them have conferences to their heart'c content.