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Four years ago, little Harry was wearing a Nazi costume with swastika.
But boys turn into men and now News of the World revealed some video where he’s shouting racist words.

IMHO, it’s time to bring little Harry in front of a courtroom.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/123700/Watch-Prince-Harrys-racist-outbursts-on-video.html

And he did that 3 years ago.

Also, if you watch the video it's not said in an offensive way. Now, whether it's right or wrong is a different matter, but come on. This was a private video that's been sold to the press that's 3 years out of date. He's not "shouting" racist words, he says 2 throughout the video that could be deemed racist by those that want to think they're racist.

As for bringing him up in front of a courtroom, what a waste of time and money.

This is what happens when a kid is bought up in a family which possesses the position of head of state on an inherited basis and who enjoy a life of unwarranted privilege in which they are waited on hand and foot from the day they are born.

Inevitably, with that background, he's going to grow up with a strong feeling that people are of unequal worth. Very easy to go down that road of thought to racism (along with classism, of course). Can't say I'm surprised in the least.

He wasn’t being racist if you bother to watch the video; the man in question did not care about being called Paki, because that was his nickname, because he was from Pakistan. Used in the right context paki is no more racist than Brit, Jock, Taffy or Paddy.

Raghead is army slang referring to the Taliban and other insurgent forces. I dont get why people try to PC the Army, it just wont happen.

This is what happens when a kid is bought up in a family which possesses the position of head of state on an inherited basis and who enjoy a life of unwarranted privilege in which they are waited on hand and foot from the day they are born.

Inevitably, with that background, he's going to grow up with a strong feeling that people are of unequal worth. Very easy to go down that road of thought to racism (along with classism, of course). Can't say I'm surprised in the least.

so unlike his Great Great Grandfather George V then

what I can't understand is that his elder brother is already receding, exactly like his father. Yet Harry's got a mop of hair like a ginger bog brush!
What's going on there?

Great Great Grandfather George V The one who sided with the General Strike against the PM on the grounds of compassion, yes that one.

what I can't understand is that his elder brother is already receding, exactly like his father. Yet Harry's got a mop of hair like a ginger bog brush!
What's going on there?

Rogaine?

The one who sided with the General Strike against the PM on the grounds of compassion, yes that one.

Wow. A monarch made a comment sympathetic to the poor. I withdraw my point entirely. Extraordinary privilege evidently doesn't make someone likely to think those different to them are inferior. How wrong I was.

what I can't understand is that his elder brother is already receding, exactly like his father. Yet Harry's got a mop of hair like a ginger bog brush!
What's going on there?

Two different fathers....... ;)

Two different fathers....... ;)

With Diana as their mother, quite possible.

Four years ago, little Harry was wearing a Nazi costume with swastika. But boys turn into men and now News of the World revealed some video where he’s shouting racist words. IMHO, it’s time to bring little Harry in front of a courtroom.

Or we could focus on actual problems. Also, I don't think there is such a thing as a humble opinion. Lord knows, I've never heard one, seen one, or had one.

I dont see what the problem is, he said it to a friend in a harmless way. Me and my friends say racist things to eachother all the time and we just laugh about it. Not once have I been told to lay off terms like "hey my negro amigo" and the likes. If it was about someone who he didnt know then fair enough, but between friends it is just casual banter.

Like Prince Philip, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth.

I dont see what the problem is, he said it to a friend in a harmless way. Me and my friends say racist things to eachother all the time and we just laugh about it. Not once have I been told to lay off terms like "hey my negro amigo" and the likes. If it was about someone who he didnt know then fair enough, but between friends it is just casual banter.

Yes, but you're not part of the royal family, and you don't film it.


So he's a dickhead. So what? Is anybody honestly surprised about this?

Two different fathers....... ;)

I'm sure there's a more rational explanation. He doesn't look a bit like James Hewit:
http://njmg.typepad.com/ervolino/images/2008/03/02/prince_harry_james_hewitt_20050413.jpg
nope. Not a bit. not at all.

He wasn’t being racist if you bother to watch the video; the man in question did not care about being called Paki, because that was his nickname, because he was from Pakistan. Used in the right context paki is no more racist than Brit, Jock, Taffy or Paddy.
Royals cannot claim, on one hand, the right to extensive privelige as a result of their bloodline, including exclusive access to Sandhurst regardless of merit, and on the other, the right to behave like an ordinary joe in every situation. A potential head of state, a supposedly dignified and unifying office, should not be using language that people are going ot take offense to, and genuine racists (which I don't think Harry is) are going ot use as a banner to rally round.

Raghead is army slang referring to the Taliban and other insurgent forces.
This is much more objectionable.

I dont get why people try to PC the Army, it just wont happen.
I'm sure people said the same of American and British society in the 1960s, or of the Met in the aftermath of Stephen Lawrence. The difficulty of combating racism is not, in any circumstance, an excuse for it to continue.

Four years ago, little Harry was wearing a Nazi costume with swastika.
But boys turn into men and now News of the World revealed some video where he’s shouting racist words.

IMHO, it’s time to bring little Harry in front of a courtroom.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/123700/Watch-Prince-Harrys-racist-outbursts-on-video.htmlI think you just set a new record for BAWWWWWWWWWWWing about nothing.

I think you just set a new record for BAWWWWWWWWWWWing about nothing.

Hey, don't blame me. It was on TV news and newspapers around the world.

Harry is not the Harry-next-door.
Harry is a royal, gets free lunch, partly paid by ‘ragheads’ and ‘Paki’.

So he should behave.

Hey, don't blame me. It was on TV news and newspapers around the world.

Harry is not the Harry-next-door.
Harry is a royal, gets free lunch, partly paid by ‘ragheads’ and ‘Paki’.

So he should behave.

You know what you remind me of? The sort of people who read paparazzi news and then demand crucification of movie stars for acting like human beings instead of pie in the sky marble statues. What next, outrage that Harry swears when something mashes his toe?

The 'news' article is written like a rag piece with only shock and outrage as its primary themes and if that's the sort of thing you resort to, it makes you hardly any different than the people who use the propaganda piece Fox news or other tabloids for their fill of 'news'.

You know what you remind me of? The sort of people who read paparazzi news and then demand crucification of movie stars for acting like human beings instead of pie in the sky marble statues. What next, outrage that Harry swears when something mashes his toe?

The 'news' article is written like a rag piece with only shock and outrage as its primary themes and if that's the sort of thing you resort to, it makes you hardly any different than the people who use the propaganda piece Fox news or other tabloids for their fill of 'news'.

It was on the regular news. You can find this news in ordinary newspapers and news sites. News of the World is just the original source.

Seems as they are considering it as news and not as a paparazzi event.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/01/10/prince.harry.videos/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7822574.stm

Clearly the young man will have to be destroyed for lacking 24/7 tact.

I heard that one time, while ill after a particularly devastating bean burrito, his shit actually stank. *nod*

Four years ago, little Harry was wearing a Nazi costume with swastika.
But boys turn into men and now News of the World revealed some video where he’s shouting racist words.

IMHO, it’s time to bring little Harry in front of a courtroom.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/123700/Watch-Prince-Harrys-racist-outbursts-on-video.html

IN front of a court room for what? Saying the term raghead? And calling someone by what could very well be their nickname?

To say he is racist because of it is quite laughable, oh yeah gee I call a few people from Britain Pom, that must mean I'm racist against the British despite it being said in a humorless way.

A few people on here have posted stuff along the lines of "Dirty Jew" that must mean they are all Anti-Semite.

IN front of a court room for what? Saying the term raghead? And calling someone by what could very well be their nickname?

To say he is racist because of it is quite laughable, oh yeah gee I call a few people from Britain Pom, that must mean I'm racist against the British despite it being said in a humorless way.

A few people on here have posted stuff along the lines of "Dirty Jew" that must mean they are all Anti-Semite.

It depends about the context and country law.

In several European countries people were convicted for producing anti-Semitic lines.

IN front of a court room for what? Saying the term raghead? And calling someone by what could very well be their nickname?

To say he is racist because of it is quite laughable, oh yeah gee I call a few people from Britain Pom, that must mean I'm racist against the British despite it being said in a humorless way.

A few people on here have posted stuff along the lines of "Dirty Jew" that must mean they are all Anti-Semite.

Why taking time to defend a tax-eating racist stupid kid?

Makes you wonder about the quality of officer training and Sandhurst, hopefully they are not all quite this dim.

This is what happens when a kid is bought up in a family which possesses the position of head of state on an inherited basis and who enjoy a life of unwarranted privilege in which they are waited on hand and foot from the day they are born.

Inevitably, with that background, he's going to grow up with a strong feeling that people are of unequal worth. Very easy to go down that road of thought to racism (along with classism, of course). Can't say I'm surprised in the least.

Thank you DI, this is the funniest thing I have heard all day. And I've had to deal with a lot of people today.

I suppose that means that all poor people aren't racist and all people who may have had some privilege in their life are racist. :rolleyes:

Clearly the young man will have to be destroyed for lacking 24/7 tact.This. ^^

It depends about the context and country law.

In several European countries people were convicted for producing anti-Semitic lines.

Thank you very much.

And in some European countries people were killed for disagreeing with the government. Doesn't make it right.

Makes you wonder about the quality of officer training and Sandhurst, hopefully they are not all quite this dim.

Well considering Raghead is a term for an insurgent than I would say this is used in all ranks.

Why taking time to defend a tax-eating racist stupid kid?

Because a lot of people are stupid and just enjoy jumping on him for one reason or another.

How do you know he is stupid? Because he did make a mistake in thinking that some tabloids wouldn't blow calling someone one a Paki in a friendly way to extreme proportions. Racist? Only if you really want to believe it.

Thank you very much.

And in some European countries people were killed for disagreeing with the government. Doesn't make it right.


Depends again about the country.

In USA it could be legal possible that big guys in Nazi uniforms are having a parade in the streets.

In Germany they would be jailed.

It was on the regular news. You can find this news in ordinary newspapers and news sites. News of the World is just the original source.

Seems as they are considering it as news and not as a paparazzi event.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/01/10/prince.harry.videos/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7822574.stm

So what? It doesn't make any difference that you're acting exactly like the people who condemn celebrities for being human and not untiring plaster cast saints 24/7/365.

If Harry had done something stupid like run over someone in a jeep, I could have understood, but this? It's nothing more than vulture feeding.

Depends again about the country.

In USA it could be legal possible that big guys in Nazi uniforms are having a parade in the streets.

In Germany they would be jailed.

Yeah and you are telling me this why?

If it was about your comment on sending him to a court for some bizarre reason I will remind you that he lives in the UK.

Why taking time to defend a tax-eating racist stupid kid?

Because anything more than public outrage is a total overreaction. Anything more than public shame and embarrassment and backlash is a total overreaction. Because even suggesting that he be brought up on any kind of charges is a total overreaction. Because someone here has to have the level head and not respond with total overreaction.

Get it?

Yeah, I have to agree with a lot of people here this really is *nothing*. I don't think its particularly healthy that people in the Army use racist terms like raghead and sand ****** but they do - and people have been doing that since armies were created. The japanese were japs, germans were krauts, people need to label the enemy - harry is acting just like any normal person. The fact is War isn't very PC so it doesn't make much sense to apply PC standard to it.

Because a lot of people are stupid and just enjoy jumping on him for one reason or another.

How do you know he is stupid? Because he did make a mistake in thinking that some tabloids wouldn't blow calling someone one a Paki in a friendly way to extreme proportions. Racist? Only if you really want to believe it.

As a member of the royality scene, he should be aware that all what he's doing and saying can be filmed or recorded. He forgot this already at least twice times. So he's stupid. He's not Blouman Empire, he's Harry. He's getting lots of money to behave.

Well say 'Paki' in a friendly way to your local nightshop owner and if you're lucky and there are some arabs inside, say with a smile 'hello, ragheads'...

I'm sure there's a more rational explanation. He doesn't look a bit like James Hewit:
http://njmg.typepad.com/ervolino/images/2008/03/02/prince_harry_james_hewitt_20050413.jpg
nope. Not a bit. not at all.

This is a job only the Americans can sort out. We need Maury Povich on the case.

Yeah and you are telling me this why?

If it was about your comment on sending him to a court for some bizarre reason I will remind you that he lives in the UK.


So? Can you express racist language in UK?

So? Can you express racist language in UK?

while by no means an expert, or even really more than a passing acquatance with UK law, I'm pretty sure that yes, you can.

Well considering Raghead is a term for an insurgent than I would say this is used in all ranks.

Not all ranks are likely to make headlines in newspapers for using it. Very poor decision making on his part, hopefully generally officers have better decision making skills.

As a member of the royality scene, he should be aware that all what he's doing and saying can be filmed or recorded. He forgot this already at least twice times. So he's stupid. He's not Blouman Empire, he's Harry. He's getting lots of money to behave.

Well say 'Paki' in a friendly way to your local nightshop owner and if you're lucky and there are some arabs inside, say with a smile 'hello, ragheads'...
I must say I agree with the idea that he ought to know that he's in the public eye, and ought not to act quite so stupidly, or at least think before he opens his mouth. Whether he likes it or not, any slip-ups that he does make will be immediately jumped on by virtually every newspaper under the sun and he'll be made to look like a racist bigot or a Nazi support or something along those lines. It's unfortunate that this happens, but it will do, especially concerning someone who's third in line for the British throne.

However, I don't think they ought to be made as much of a big deal as they are. I doubt there's anyone here who can truly say that they've never made a stupid mistake, said the wrong thing to the wrong person or made a tit out of themselves when they've been pissed. Having such things follow you around all the bloody time would be a hell of a burden, especially since it does seem to be entirely in jest, a bit of an in-joke between friends.

Crap, I know I say pretty horrible things to my housemates everyday, as they do to me. It's all in good humour, but I bet if someone who didn't know us heard us say that sort of thing to each, they'd probably be appalled.

As a member of the royality scene, he should be aware that all what he's doing and saying can be filmed or recorded. He forgot this already at least twice times. So he's stupid. He's not Blouman Empire, he's Harry. He's getting lots of money to behave.He'd be stupid if it'd been something that's actually objectionable to anyone but the most tight-assed wankers wanting to feed on out-of-context paparazzishit.

Given that anyone except the most tight-assed wankers feeding on out-of-context paparazzi shit appears to either not care or outright supporting him, I'd say it wasn't something of that sort.

That aside, he didn't choose being born a royal.

So? Can you express racist language in UK?

As far as I know you can. You just can't incite others to commit hate crimes or say stuff like they should kill all those damn ragheads. Can't you also still get away with this in the US?

As a member of the royality scene, he should be aware that all what he's doing and saying can be filmed or recorded. He forgot this already at least twice times. So he's stupid. He's not Blouman Empire, he's Harry. He's getting lots of money to behave.

Funny I thought he was being paid to protect the country. As for being Prince Harry I always find it amusing that people bitch and whine about the Royals acting different and living in another world and that they should be more normal and when they start doing this people start bitching about them doing it.

And no he isn't Blouman Empire he isn't even close.

Well say 'Paki' in a friendly way to your local nightshop owner and if you're lucky and there are some arabs inside, say with a smile 'hello, ragheads'...

Well if he was a good friend of mine and he knew I was using it affectionately then I'm sure he wouldn't mind it.

So? Can you express racist language in UK?

Do we have a UK lawyer on this forum?

That aside, he didn't choose being born a royal.

Meh, I still think their a bunch of shape shifting lizards. We should kill all them damn royals. (But that has nothing to do with prince harry's comment)

He'd be stupid if it'd been something that's actually objectionable to anyone but the most tight-assed wankers wanting to feed on out-of-context paparazzishit.

Given that anyone except the most tight-assed wankers feeding on out-of-context paparazzi shit appears to either not care or outright supporting him, I'd say it wasn't something of that sort.

That aside, he didn't choose being born a royal.

You don't choose being born a royal, but you certainly can say 'bye-bye' to royality. Several royals did in several countries (Danmark, Holland, Belgium...).

But if you want a share of the taxpayers money, the least you can do is behaving like an adult.

Not all ranks are likely to make headlines in newspapers for using it. Very poor decision making on his part, hopefully generally officers have better decision making skills.

True, but I daresay considering he is a junior officer and out on the front line then other like him he and other officers would be using these terms. Sure the generals may not use it but we aren't talking about the generals here.

Hopefully Harry will learn not to trust his fellow officers with a camera again.

As far as I know you can. You just can't incite others to commit hate crimes or say stuff like they should kill all those damn ragheads. Can't you also still get away with this in the US?

I don't know for sure, but I think it is possible. However, you always have the risk for receiving a punch in your face :)

I don't know for sure, but I think it is possible. However, you always have the risk for receiving a punch in your face :)

the difference being, one is legal, the other is not.

True, but I daresay considering he is a junior officer and out on the front line then other like him he and other officers would be using these terms. Sure the generals may not use it but we aren't talking about the generals here.

Hopefully Harry will learn not to trust his fellow officers with a camera again.



"Is that a camera in your pants, or are just happy to see me, Paki-raghead?"

-- Prince Harry

IMHO the whole notion of political correctness is misguided. I mean now a days you can't even have an unpopular opinion like 'there really was a Jewish banking conspiracy - but that doesn't making killing all the Jews right' - without being labeled racist. All PC bullshit does is make people say what they think is ok to say and not what they think. If someone looks like a raghead then I should be able to say so ... and so should prince harry. And if someone wants to call me a pasty faced round-eyed eskimo, well more power to them.

On the other hand I would say that in polite company it unusually inappropriate to go around labeling people with racial stereotypes but we should treasure the freedom to do so.

IMHO the whole notion of political correctness is misguided. I mean now a days you can't even have an unpopular opinion like 'there really was a Jewish banking conspiracy - but that doesn't making killing all the Jews right' - without being labeled racist. All PC bullshit does is make people say what they think is ok to say and not what they think. If someone looks like a raghead then I should be able to say so ... and so should prince harry. And if someone wants to call me a pasty faced round-eyed eskimo, well more power to them.
Political Correctness Gone Mad!11!!!

IMHO the whole notion of political correctness is misguided. I mean now a days you can't even have an unpopular opinion like 'there really was a Jewish banking conspiracy - but that doesn't making killing all the Jews right' - without being label racist. All PC bullshit does is make people say what they think is ok to say and not what they think. If someone looks like I raghead then I should be able to say so ... and so should prince harry. And if someone wants to call me a pasty faced round-eyed eskimo well more power to them.

On the other hand I would say that in polite company it unusually inappropriate to go around labeling people with racial stereotypes but we should treasure the freedom to do so.

And yet, nobody (or at least, mostly nobody) is saying that he can't say it. He's a citizen of a free democracy. he can say whatever the fuck he wants to. But just because you have the freedom to do something, doesn't mean you can do so with total impunity. Words have meanings, and actions have consequences.

It's a two way street. Should you have the right to call someoen that if you so choose? Yes. And in response I have the right to judge you as I see fit for that.

IMHO the whole notion of political correctness is misguided. I mean now a days you can't even have an unpopular opinion like 'there really was a Jewish banking conspiracy - but that doesn't making killing all the Jews right' - without being labeled racist. All PC bullshit does is make people say what they think is ok to say and not what they think. If someone looks like a raghead then I should be able to say so ... and so should prince harry. And if someone wants to call me a pasty faced round-eyed eskimo, well more power to them.

On the other hand I would say that in polite company it unusually inappropriate to go around labeling people with racial stereotypes but we should treasure the freedom to do so.

Don't forget, we can say such stuff, no one will care. He, as a member of the royals, acts as an example.

Prince Harry is an idiot. I don't much like him and I think he gets much of it from his grandfather.
However I can't help thinking that we're having our chains yanked here. We need to look at who made this a news story and what their interest is in keeping it going.
The Murdoch press has long been anti-royalty yet Rupert Murdoch is a far more vulgar and destructive individual than Prince Harry. Furthermore Murdoch is creating a family dynasty for his empire that is hardly a meritocracy.
As for the BBC, they can't believe their luck as they can bang on about two of their left wing causes for the price of one.

The Murdoch press has long been anti-royalty yet Rupert Murdoch is a far more vulgar and destructive individual than Prince Harry. Furthermore Murdoch is creating a family dynasty for his empire that is hardly a meritocracy.
Murdoch is evil.

Don't forget, we can say such stuff, no one will care. He, as a member of the royals, acts as an example.

Thats the part I disagree with most. He's a young man involved in a War. Vets are usually among the least well adjusted to society... They keep their pretty boy harry out of harms way for the most part I imagine but I suppose there is still the chance that he *could* get a leg or an arm blown off. Within the context of war a certain amount of racism is normal. It's not a good thing but it's perfectly normal.

Don't you thing it would be a bit weirder if we said 'yeah harry you can shoot them - just don't call them names - it's not polite'.

...BBC, they can't believe their luck as they can bang on about two of their left wing causes for the price of one.

lol. The BBC is left wing now? Those shape shifting lizards really got your head in a vice... Hegelian dialectics 1 : Rational Thought 0

i find it rather....endearing....that the prince is able to be a normal stupid boy now and then.

lol. The BBC is left wing now? Those shape shifting lizards really got your head in a vice... Hegelian dialectics 1 : Rational Thought 0
I think one could accuse it of having more left-wing tendencies than right-wing ones.

Thats the part I disagree with most. He's a young man involved in a War. Vets are usually among the least well adjusted to society... They keep their pretty boy harry out of harms way for the most part I imagine but I suppose there is still the chance that he *could* get a leg or an arm blown off. Within the context of war a certain amount of racism is normal. It's not a good thing but it's perfectly normal.

Don't you thing it would be a bit weirder if we said 'yeah harry you can shoot them - just don't call them names - it's not polite'.

I understand that people have to lose some steam under war conditions. But Harry is not everybody. Secondly, the film was not recorded in a war condition.

If one of his mates was saying the same, it would not have hit the news. But now it is Harry. You can be drunk and drive a car. If the police busted you, no one will know. If Harry, or any other royal, politician or just any famous boy or girl is doing the same, you can be sure it will hit the news.

And for me, royals, are special species. They are paid by the taxpayers, including the 'Paki' and 'Ragheads' their money.

IMHO, the feelings you have with this Harry-news is depended from the country or culture you are living in.

If Harry would have produced some anti-Semitic lines, the throwback yells on his address would have been much harder.

Two different fathers....... ;)

Like Prince Philip, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth.



The joke going 'round is titling this "Prince Harry's parenthood confirmed"

i find it rather....endearing....that the prince is able to be a normal stupid boy now and then.

But, but he's a Royal how dare he be like a lot of other people.

But, but he's a Royal how dare he be like a lot of other people.


He's not like other people. He's getting tons of money from the others.
He acts as an example for countless other young people.

'If Harry is doing it, I can do it as well', could play in the mind of young dumb people.

But, but he's a Royal how dare he be like a lot of other people.
yeah.

somebody did something RIGHT with that guy. how did that happen?

'If Harry is doing it, I can do it as well', could play in the mind of young dumb people.
I seriously doubt that young people see Prince Harry as a role model. It's more likely to be a footballer, who are probably a whole lot worse than Prince Harry could ever be.

yeah.

somebody did something RIGHT with that guy. how did that happen?

I hear his parents got divorced too. Oh the shame, you would think that in this day and age divorce wouldn't happen, but when you see a royal family doing it it means other families can do it too. The moral fibre of the UK is under threat.

I seriously doubt that young people see Prince Harry as a role model. It's more likely to be a footballer, who are probably a whole lot worse than Prince Harry could ever be.

Can somebody say Gerrard?

I hear his parents got divorced too. Oh the shame, you would think that in this day and age divorce wouldn't happen, but when you see a royal family doing it it means other families can do it too. The moral fibre of the UK is under threat.
must be his wonderful stepmother.....

yeah.

somebody did something RIGHT with that guy. how did that happen?

Maybe he's rebelling against being a royal.

He's not like other people. He's getting tons of money from the others.
He acts as an example for countless other young people.

'If Harry is doing it, I can do it as well', could play in the mind of young dumb people.

Harry comes from a country where lax punishments or lack thereof entirely, for juvenile criminals have led to increased instances of assault and rape from that demographics, all recorded and later posted as "happy slapping".

Harry's example so far is stellar compared to the average British youth. Playing the "he'll set a bad example" argument is nothing but frothy mouthed bunk by ignorants who willingly close their eyes to serious problems like violent crime by juveniles, but are willing to play soccer moms when it comes to what someone says.

Can somebody say Gerrard?
And a whole host more.

And a whole host more.

I know there are and some who have done a lot worse, but I couldn't think of any at the time.

Four years ago, little Harry was wearing a Nazi costume with swastika.
But boys turn into men and now News of the World revealed some video where he’s shouting racist words.

IMHO, it’s time to bring little Harry in front of a courtroom.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/123700/Watch-Prince-Harrys-racist-outbursts-on-video.html
Eh I dunno. The whole "Raghead" thing is usual squaddie bollocks, and he doesn't sound to mean anything by the whole "Paki" thing. Also this is back in the Bad Old Days, before he'd actually served anywhere.

"Is that a camera in your pants, or are just happy to see me, Paki-raghead?"

-- Prince Harry
He doesn't say his Pakistani pal looks like a raghead -_-

Also lol at his general conduct in the video on the site :D

"Are days sacks to be carried?"
"Yes, day sacks are to be carried"
"By everyo-"
"SHHH"
"Sir, are your pubes ginger too?"
"Yes they are".

Quality :D

"Sir, are your pubes ginger too?"
"Yes they are".

Quality :D

That was the best bit of the clip. And he says it as though it is a normal question too, I am sure he has been asked that hundereds of times before.

HRH Prince Harry does not get money from the tax payer for being a royal, but you could say he gets tax money for being a serving soldier but that’s different. Tax money goes to the Queen and Prince Philip only for official duties, house up-keep etc. The rest of the Royal Family have there own private estates or get money from the Queens Private estate. Furthermore; in return for the civil list the Government gets the revenue from the Crown Estate which is £190 million per year, much more than the £11.2m (2004) which the Queen gets on the civil list.

"Are days sacks to be carried?"
"Yes, day sacks are to be carried"
"By everyo-"
"SHHH"
"Sir, are your pubes ginger too?"
"Yes they are".
Aye, Quality

On a side not, hopefully harry will go back out to Afghan/Iraq to do what he's trained to do, if only the news papers will refrain from blurting out where he is and what he's doing. There was talk a while back of either Prince Harry or William becoming the Governor-General of Australia, now that would be a more fitting role than cycling across the Sahara or whatever they’ve been up to.

Thank you DI, this is the funniest thing I have heard all day. And I've had to deal with a lot of people today.

I suppose that means that all poor people aren't racist and all people who may have had some privilege in their life are racist. :rolleyes:

Fair point. I was in a bit of a 'class war' mood earlier :p

I know there are and some who have done a lot worse, but I couldn't think of any at the time.
Nah, none sprang to mind, either.

There were a few banged up recently, or at least hauled before a judge, either over assaults on people when in town on the piss or mowing people down in cars when pissed.

Somewhat worse than saying "Paki" in good humour.

IMHO, it’s time to bring little Harry in front of a courtroom.

He's broken the law now?

He's broken the law now?
For saying naughty words.

He hasn't, so he won't :p

For saying naughty words.

He hasn't, so he won't :p

Indeed. I think our Dutch friend somehow thinks this is illegal.

He wasn’t being racist if you bother to watch the video; the man in question did not care about being called Paki, because that was his nickname, because he was from Pakistan. Used in the right context paki is no more racist than Brit, Jock, Taffy or Paddy. the man in question did NOT hear the phrase because Prince Harry was WHISPERING into the camera. and if Harry knew his name, why not just say, "and here's my friend Ahmed."

Raghead is army slang referring to the Taliban and other insurgent forces. I dont get why people try to PC the Army, it just wont happen.Doesn't make it right tho. I agree that the army will say things that PC Civilians won't like, especially if they are out on patrol or what not and have to dehumanize the enemy in their minds.

I have a problem with whomever released that video to the media. this really isn't 'newsworthy'.

Four years ago, little Harry was wearing a Nazi costume with swastika.
But boys turn into men and now News of the World revealed some video where he’s shouting racist words.

IMHO, it’s time to bring little Harry in front of a courtroom.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/123700/Watch-Prince-Harrys-racist-outbursts-on-video.html
Pfft, courts have better things to do than chastise Harry for being naughty in front of the camera.
what I can't understand is that his elder brother is already receding, exactly like his father. Yet Harry's got a mop of hair like a ginger bog brush!
What's going on there?
Mop of ginger hair, just like the Royal Milkman.......
Yes, but you're not part of the royal family, and you don't film it.


So he's a dickhead. So what? Is anybody honestly surprised about this?
Not terribly. Can't trust them gingers.
Hey, don't blame me. It was on TV news and newspapers around the world.

Harry is not the Harry-next-door.
Harry is a royal, gets free lunch, partly paid by ‘ragheads’ and ‘Paki’.

So he should behave.
He should, but so should everyone.

And Harry's in the army. Presumably he gets paid for this. So yeah, not really a free-lunch.
Depends again about the country.

In USA it could be legal possible that big guys in Nazi uniforms are having a parade in the streets.

In Germany they would be jailed.
Care to take a shot in the dark at where this was filmed? Dearie me, I wonder where the PRINCE OF WALES may have been. Somewhere in Great Britain, perhaps?
Do we have a UK lawyer on this forum?
I don't think so.
He's not like other people. He's getting tons of money from the others.
He acts as an example for countless other young people.

'If Harry is doing it, I can do it as well', could play in the mind of young dumb people.
He is like other people. He just happens to be rich and under a lot of pressure to play nice in front of the cameras.

the man in question did NOT hear the phrase because Prince Harry was WHISPERING into the camera. and if Harry knew his name, why not just say, "and here's my friend Ahmed." Its his nick name, he doesnt care about it.

Its his nick name, he doesnt care about it.
As far as you know. He might cry himself to sleep every night because of it.

Four years ago, little Harry was wearing a Nazi costume with swastika.
But boys turn into men and now News of the World revealed some video where he’s shouting racist words.

IMHO, it’s time to bring little Harry in front of a courtroom.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/123700/Watch-Prince-Harrys-racist-outbursts-on-video.html

Why take him to court? I mean what laws did he break??

Depends again about the country.

In USA it could be legal possible that big guys in Nazi uniforms are having a parade in the streets.

In Germany they would be jailed.

This is a problem with Germany, not the USA.

So? Can you express racist language in UK?

Yes.

Its his nick name, he doesnt care about it.

Speculation on your part.

Speculation on your part.

And him finding it offensive is speculation on your part as well. In my experiance, friends tolerate unPC comments from friends.

Why take him to court? I mean what laws did he break??

None.

And him finding it offensive is speculation on your part as well. In my experiance, friends tolerate unPC comments from friends.

I never said he found it offensive. I said he didn't hear what Prince Harry said. in reply to the comment that the man in question didn't mind being called a "Paki".

and I also stated that unPC things will occure, my concern was the releasing of the video.

If Harry did it, then it was stupid on Prince Harry's part.
if someone found it and released it, then either that person was snooping in Prince Harry's things (or the family since it seemed more like something for the family) or intercepted it.

and the fact that it was released to the media and given the headline it was given shows that someone was offended by it.

I have a problem with whomever released that video to the media. this really isn't 'newsworthy'.
I guess the recession, dead kids in Gaza and what Obama did today (ate a hot dog, says the Mirror) aren't interesting any more.

Its his nick name, he doesnt care about it.
That's not the point. Whether his friend does or does not mind, Prince Harry is a public figure and potential head of state, and there are plenty of British citizens who would object to and take offence at him casually using that kind of language.

Someone who is supposedly 'trained' to be a dignified royal and commanding officer should know better.

Yes.
And do, unfortunately.

It very possibly was offensive. Being American I do not understand the exact level of offense behind the word paki. If it is along the lines of N-word-ER
then perhaps it would have been better he did not say it. If its offense level is closer to N-word-A or negro it might be more acceptable among friends.

But what are you all going to do anyways ? Its not like you can elect a new Prince.

Raghead is army slang referring to the Taliban and other insurgent forces. I dont get why people try to PC the Army, it just wont happen.

This. They're out in the desert killing people. I would think that it would make anyone a bit cold, and having seen your own people killed by the enemy doesn't help much for political correctness either.

World War two anyone? Krauts? Slant-eyes? Gooks?

Come on, get real. Find some better dirt.

Being American I do not understand the exact level of offense behind the word paki

It's an offensive, derogatory term for Pakistani people, so it is along the lines of ******, yes.

World War two anyone? Krauts? Slant-eyes? Gooks?

It's not like that. Harry isn't fighting anybody, we're not at war with Pakistan, and there are a lot of Pakistanis living in England.

Do we have a UK lawyer on this forum?

Yes.

Well, work in progress, anyway.

It's not like that. Harry isn't fighting anybody, we're not at war with Pakistan, and there are a lot of Pakistanis living in England.

And paki is a known, offensive, racial slang?

*Did not read past post I quoted:p*

It was three years ago after all...

It's an offensive, derogatory term for Pakistani people, so it is along the lines of ******, yes.

i knew it was an insulting term. I just didn't know the level. some are acceptable while others are not.

And paki is a known, offensive, racial slang?

Yes. Like ******.

So? Can you express racist language in UK?

You can unless it is covered by legislation on inciting racial hatred. That said if someone who worked for me used it to describe a colleague I would give them a verbal warning that I would take disciplinary action against them if they used it again, regardless of how the person it was used to describe felt about be described in that way.

Still the army is always behind the times in seeing the need to tackle things like bullying, racism, sexism etc.. But then it is is not surprising given the proportion of squaddies who are as thick as pigshit.

Yes. Like ******.

We Americans in general don't know that. The head general in Afghanistan Said our paki allies at a press conference once. Thank god the people in Pakistan didn't flip a wig.

We Americans in general don't know that. The head general in Afghanistan Said our paki allies at a press conference once. Thank god the people in Pakistan didn't flip a wig.

I think it's only an English thing, given the large amounts of Pakistanis in England.

Raghead is not racist, or is there a race, where children are born with rags on their heads?
If somebody decides to cover his head with a rag, then he should not be surprised that other people talk about it.

I think it's only an English thing, given the large amounts of Pakistanis in England.

i think the Pakistanis in Pakistan know it too. likely a hold over from crown jewel of the empire days.

And if not then at least from watching "Bend It Like Beckham"

I think it's only an English thing, given the large amounts of Pakistanis in England.

Used to be used a lot by National Front/BNP morons/skinheads as a description for anybody from the Asian subcontinent whether they were Indian, Bangladeshi, Pakistani etc..

Used to be used a lot by National Front/BNP morons/skinheads as a description for anybody from the Asian subcontinent whether they were Indian, Bangladeshi, Pakistani etc..

I know that, I was saying to him that I don't think the Pakistani government would mind about the general's comment because it's only an English thing.

I know that, I was saying to him that I don't think the Pakistani government would mind about the general's comment because it's only an English thing.

Didn't mean to imply you didn't I was just trying to provide some context for Greed and Death.

Didn't mean to imply you didn't I was just trying to provide some context for Greed and Death.

thank you. I knew it was offensive from bend it like Beckham, as i wonder why she hit the girl over being called a paki and looked it up.

So mostly a former British empire thing. (excluding the US as we left really early)

So mostly a former British empire thing. (excluding the US as we left really early)

Not even that. It's England only (Actually, does the rest of the UK use it? I don't think they do.) and it was first used in the 60s/70s because a lot of Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Indian immigrants were coming in.

Not even that. It's England only (Actually, does the rest of the UK use it? I don't think they do.) and it was first used in the 60s/70s because a lot of Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Indian immigrants were coming in.

the online sources list Canada using it too.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Paki

Given it is Wiktonary.

Yes. Like ******.

Well... that's rather odd. I mean it is a part of the country name after all...

But still, he did this three years ago amongst friends. What person can say *honestly* that they haven't used racial slang at least once in their life? The only reason this is a big deal is because he's the prince, and that's a bit of bullshit. How can one be expected to be politically correct all of the time, especially out of the spotlight? (He was in the army without the public's knowledge right?) He was being a young man, and he was more than likely happy to be out of the spotlight and able to express himself more freely.

the online sources list Canada using it too.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Paki

Given it is Wiktonary.

From that page: The abbreviation Paki acquired offensive connotations in the 1960s when used by British tabloids to refer to subjects of former colony states in a derogatory and racist manner. In modern British usage "Paki" is typically used in a derogatory way as a label for all South Asians, including Indians, Afghans and Bangladeshis.

Well... that's rather odd. I mean it is a part of the country name after all...

So is "Jap."

But still, he did this three years ago amongst friends. What person can say *honestly* that they haven't used racial slang at least once in their life?

Well, can you point me to when Queen Elizabeth II used racist terms?

He was being a young man, and he was more than likely happy to be out of the spotlight and able to express himself more freely.

That warms my heart. But changes, or excuses nothing.

The only reason this is a big deal is because he's the prince, and that's a bit of bullshit.

In the US, would a soldier be disciplined if he was filmed calling another squad member ******? I think he would. Over here, if the average squaddie called someone ****** or Paki and it was filmed, he'd be disciplined. Because it's the Prince, that's fine and it's just a bit of "friendly joking".

In the US, would a soldier be disciplined if he was filmed calling another squad member ******? I think he would. Over here, if the average squaddie called someone ****** or Paki and it was filmed, he'd be disciplined. Because it's the Prince, that's fine and it's just a bit of "friendly joking".

I heard that he WAS going to be disciplined, and there was at the very least going to be an informal inquiry. If it's against the rules I'm sure he'll get a bollocking. But the army decides what that is, not public opinion.

I heard that he WAS going to be disciplined, and there was at the very least going to be an informal inquiry. If it's against the rules I'm sure he'll get a bollocking. But the army decides what that is, not public opinion.

Unless someone who was actually there complains the army isn't going to do anything except make press releases saying "Down with this sort of thing"

Unless someone who was actually there complains the army isn't going to do anything except make press releases saying "Down with this sort of thing"

That's hardly special treatment though. It's the continued unfortunate tolerance of institutional racism.

Unless someone who was actually there complains the army isn't going to do anything except make press releases saying "Down with this sort of thing"

Given that they are struggling to get enough recruits - this is from the MOD website
"Are you looking for applications from all ethnic groups?
Very much so. We want to see the Services reflect more closely the ethnic diversity of our society."

they may well have to do slightly more to appear to be doing something.

Another quote fro the MOD equal opportunities page

What is being done to root out prejudice?
A great deal. An extensive education and awareness programme is underway throughout the Services. We are employing vigorously the disciplinary and administrative procedures to deal with any personnel who are found guilty of any prejudice.

From that page: The abbreviation Paki acquired offensive connotations in the 1960s when used by British tabloids to refer to subjects of former colony states in a derogatory and racist manner. In modern British usage "Paki" is typically used in a derogatory way as a label for all South Asians, including Indians, Afghans and Bangladeshis.

also from wiki

Paki (plural Pakis)

1. (UK, Canada, offensive, racial slur)

just because something originates somewhere doesn't mean it stays there.

Well, can you point me to when Queen Elizabeth II used racist terms?

What an utterly absurd request.

Yes. Like ******.
WELL.

If it's being self-applied, and isn't meant in offence by his pals, I don't really see the problem.

Troll successful.

Can somebody say Gerrard?

I know there are and some who have done a lot worse, but I couldn't think of any at the time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1110727/Tory-activist-expelled-party-dressing-Madeleine-McCann-New-Years-bash.html
This any help?

What an utterly absurd request.

Hey, it was claimed that "honestly," everyone talks like a racist chav moron. So it should be easy enough to show other members of the royal family speaking that way.

I don't think that's absurd; what other standard should the royals be held to if not, you know, themselves? It's not like I demanded he demonstrate when the Pope spoke like a racist chav moron.

Though now that I mention it, that should be "honestly" easy to come by too.

Hey, it was claimed that "honestly," everyone talks like a racist chav moron.

Well, no, it wasn't.

So it should be easy enough to show other members of the royal family speaking that way.

I don't think that's absurd; what other standard should the royals be held to if not, you know, themselves? It's not like I demanded he demonstrate when the Pope spoke like a racist chav moron.

Because not every utterance by a member of the royal family is recorded?

Who knows what she may or may not have said that was in total privacy that we will never have even the faintest idea about? She has enough decorum and presence of mind to make sure that everything she says that might become public knowledge is appropriate.

Hell, Harry said this in private, the only reason we know what he said is because it got leaked.

What you have demanded is preposterous in the extreme. Unless we have access to everything the Queen has ever said it is impossible to answer your question.

I hope he gets put in the glass tower like the royals have a habit of doing to lowly commoners in uniform.

also I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole

Hey, it was claimed that "honestly," everyone talks like a racist chav moron. So it should be easy enough to show other members of the royal family speaking that way.

I don't think that's absurd; what other standard should the royals be held to if not, you know, themselves? It's not like I demanded he demonstrate when the Pope spoke like a racist chav moron.

Though now that I mention it, that should be "honestly" easy to come by too.

Would Prince Philip's famous "slitty-eyed" comment fit the bill?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1848553.stm

Well, no, it wasn't.


Yes. It was.

What person can say *honestly* that they haven't used racial slang at least once in their life?

"It's OK, cuz everyone's a racist!"; a favorite justification for racism. And patently absurd.

Because not every utterance by a member of the royal family is recorded?

Who knows what she may or may not have said that was in total privacy that we will never have even the faintest idea about? She has enough decorum and presence of mind to make sure that everything she says that might become public knowledge is appropriate.

Hell, Harry said this in private, the only reason we know what he said is because it got leaked.

What you have demanded is preposterous in the extreme. Unless we have access to everything the Queen has ever said it is impossible to answer your question.

Likewise, it is impossible to claim that 'everyone' says racist bullshit. Unless of course we have access to what every person in the world has ever said during their lives. Do we?

Hey, it was claimed that "honestly," everyone talks like a racist chav moron. So it should be easy enough to show other members of the royal family speaking that way.

I don't think that's absurd; what other standard should the royals be held to if not, you know, themselves? It's not like I demanded he demonstrate when the Pope spoke like a racist chav moron.

Though now that I mention it, that should be "honestly" easy to come by too.

I'm talking about behind closed doors, away from the public eye, and please note I said "once". And if you think that royalty is too benevolent to talk that way behind closed doors, then you're naive.

Would you hold "jap" to be on the same level as "gook"?

I'm talking about behind closed doors, away from the public eye, and please note I said "once". And if you think that royalty is too benevolent to talk that way behind closed doors, then you're naive.

I guess I just don't have the level of telepathic access you do. For that matter, I'm surprised you know how me (and everyone else) spews vomitous racist epithets. I mean, how did you know?

Would you hold "jap" to be on the same level as "gook"?

Yes. It's a racist and derogatory epithet. The fact that "Jap" is part of the word "Japan" doesn't make it not so.

"It's OK, cuz everyone's a racist!"; a favorite justification for racism. And patently absurd.

Where did I say that? Did I even say it was justified?

No, I think I'm trying to say this is blown out of proportion. He wasn't running around yelling "Look at this paki piece of shit!" He was saying "And here is our paki friend". Oh no!



Likewise, it is impossible to claim that 'everyone' says racist bullshit. Unless of course we have access to what every person in the world has ever said during their lives. Do we?

It is impossible, but I think it's more probable that people do say racist shit when they know others won't hear it.

Yes. It was.

Yeah, because (to paraphrase) "most people have said something racist once in their lives" is exactly the same as "all people are racist chav morons".

Right.


Likewise, it is impossible to claim that 'everyone' says racist bullshit. Unless of course we have access to what every person in the world has ever said during their lives. Do we?

For a start, I would probably agree with the premise; most people will have said at least one thing, usually inadvertently or without really thinking about it, that could be considered racist.

Aside from that, it was a question, not a statement of fact.

Yes. It's a racist and derogatory epithet. The fact that "Jap" is part of the word "Japan" doesn't make it not so.

Well I guess jap rifles are racist rifles and jap rounds that say jap on them are ultra racist since it's in writing on the case. :rolleyes:

Yes. It's a racist and derogatory epithet. The fact that "Jap" is part of the word "Japan" doesn't make it not so.
Again, dunno about that. Probably is a bit racist, but I say stuff like "ah those crazy Japs" whenever some kind of story comes out about them shooting whales to research how tasty they are or whatever.

I heard that he WAS going to be disciplined, and there was at the very least going to be an informal inquiry. If it's against the rules I'm sure he'll get a bollocking. But the army decides what that is, not public opinion.

Could the army even do anything though? It's only on video and it took place three years ago. It isn't like an officer heard him saying this stuff.

Also is he even still enlisted?

Yeah, because (to paraphrase) "most people have said something racist once in their lives" is exactly the same as "all people are racist chav morons".


Strawman.

For a start, I would probably agree with the premise; most people will have said at least one thing, usually inadvertently or without really thinking about it, that could be considered racist.

Oh, it "could be considered racist" now again I see. That's all we're doing. We're just "considering" it racist. Kind of like how right now is "considered" to be 12:45 PM PST.

Aside from that, it was a question, not a statement of fact.

It was a stupid assumption posed as a rhetorical question.

Again, dunno about that. Probably is a bit racist, but I say stuff like "ah those crazy Japs" whenever some kind of story comes out about them shooting whales to research how tasty they are or whatever.

Yes. It is racist.

Honestly, where are you people getting this bullshit about how racist epithets are suddenly no longer racist? What other charming words do you guys not consider racist anymore on account of how you use them?

Oh, it "could be considered racist" now again I see. That's all we're doing. We're just "considering" it racist. Kind of like how right now is "considered" to be 12:45 PM PST.


But that's exactly what it is. The only reason that is found offensive, is because people consider it racist, there is NOTHING about the word in itself, which is just short hand for Pakistani, which makes it inherently racist. It is racist due to cultural context.

Strawman.

But isn't that what you just said?

Your strawman already built a straw house.

Yes. It is racist.

Honestly, where are you people getting this bullshit about how racist epithets are suddenly no longer racist? What other charming words do you guys not consider racist anymore on account of how you use them?

Any word can mean any thing to any one person. Meanings are not solid and unchanging, they are subjective to the people and the context. Even if something was meant in one way, it can be understood in another. They are not all like saying a time of day (which can still be misunderstood).

why should racist slurs be excluded from that?

But that's exactly what it is. The only reason that is found offensive, is because people consider it racist, there is NOTHING about the word in itself, which is just short hand for Pakistani, which makes it inherently racist. It is racist due to cultural context.

This.

But that's exactly what it is. The only reason that is found offensive, is because people consider it racist, there is NOTHING about the word in itself, which is just short hand for Pakistani, which makes it inherently racist. It is racist due to cultural context.

And the only way we can agree that it's inoffensive and not racist is if we completely ignore the cultural context.

Which is exactly what's being done. But not by me, sorry.

Yes. It is racist.

Honestly, where are you people getting this bullshit about how racist epithets are suddenly no longer racist?
Black guys calling their pals "niggas" racist, then?
What other charming words do you guys not consider racist anymore on account of how you use them?
Not really any of them. I do call Americans "Yanks" from time to time, but that's quite genuinely me being anti-American rather than it just being shorter and mildly offensive like "Jap", or self-applied and between friends with "Paki". I wouldn't call anyone a Paki without knowing them, that'd just be rude and all.

But isn't that what you just said?


Nope, and Nadkor admits he is "paraphrasing."

If you people would take the time to read I wouldn't have to waste so much time pointing out what happened all of five fucking minutes earlier.

And the only way we can agree that it's inoffensive and not racist is if we completely ignore the cultural context.

Which is exactly what's being done. But not by me, sorry.

And that's why racism in itself is still around. The only way to get past racism is to ignore bullshit like this.

Please tell me what exactly is offensive in the video? The context in which the word was used or just the fact that the word was used?

Black guys calling their pals "niggas" racist, then?

Using "Jap" to refer to Japanese people is racist. I'm not going to help burn your strawmen for you.

Not really any of them. I do call Americans "Yanks" from time to time, but that's quite genuinely me being anti-American rather than it just being shorter and mildly offensive like "Jap", or self-applied and between friends with "Paki". I wouldn't call anyone a Paki without knowing them, that'd just be rude and all.

"Yanks" doesn't compare to either "Paki" or "Jap."

And the only way we can agree that it's inoffensive and not racist is if we completely ignore the cultural context.

Which is exactly what's being done. But not by me, sorry.

But you're missing the point.

Anyway, I think it's best if we ask some questions:

By Harry using the term 'Paki', is he deliberately trying to express a view of inferiority of Pakistani people?

By using the term, is he deliberately trying to offend anyone or be derogatory towards a Pakistani?

I think you can safely answer no to both of these questions. Yes it was an ignorant thing to say, especially in front of camera, but I do not think it deserves too much outrage, I do not believe that this alone makes him explicitly racist.

Nope, and Nadkor admits he is "paraphrasing."

Isn't Nadkor a she?

Strawman.

Well, no, it's entirely not. It's a perfectly valid representation of what you are trying to argue was said.

It was claimed that everyone has made one racist statement in their life, and you equated it to a claim that everyone is a racist chav moron.

Oh, it "could be considered racist" now again I see. That's all we're doing. We're just "considering" it racist. Kind of like how right now is "considered" to be 12:45 PM PST.

Well unless you are going to come up with some completely objective test of racism, with a word itself being inherently racist, a subjective test that runs along the basis of what is considered racist by an reasonable person is what we're going to have to go with.

It was a stupid assumption posed as a rhetorical question.

Frankly, it's an assumption that probably, in a vast generalisation, rings true.

Hey, it was claimed that "honestly," everyone talks like a racist chav moron. So it should be easy enough to show other members of the royal family speaking that way.


Yeah, that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes: Maybe if you took the time to read and think out replies, you wouldn't be wasting time.

Using "Jap" to refer to Japanese people is racist.
Aye it is a bit.
I'm not going to help burn your strawmen for you.
Way to utterly dodge the question, pal ;)
"Yanks" doesn't compare to either "Paki" or "Jap."
... how so? I'm using a derogatory word to talk about Americans, how is that at all different, other than that I'm mainly ripping the piss out of white people?

Is Krauts OK? If not, is it better than Yidds? How's about Frogs?

Nope, and Nadkor admits he is "paraphrasing."

If you people would take the time to read I wouldn't have to waste so much time pointing out what happened all of five fucking minutes earlier.

Paraphrasing and making a representation of what someone says does not inherently create a strawman. False representation, however, does.

What I said is a perfectly accurate representation of what you are saying.

Isn't Nadkor a she?
Yes. Although that is a bit irrelevant.

Isn't Nadkor a she?

Yup.

... how so? I'm using a derogatory word to talk about Americans, how is that at all different, other than that I'm mainly ripping the piss out of white people?/QUOTE]

Yank isn't derogatory, no more than Brit.

[QUOTE=Yootopia;14391702]How's about Frogs?

That's always fine, because it's the French. ;)

Yank isn't derogatory, no more than Brit.
Yank is about the same as Limey, really.

Well, no, it's entirely not. It's a perfectly valid representation of what you are trying to argue was said.

No, it is a misrepresentation and a strawman. "Na uh!" is not going to cut it. The fact that you didn't even quote me verbatim and used your 'paraphrasing' to say what I 'exactly' meant continues to show this.

It was claimed that everyone has made one racist statement in their life, and you equated it to a claim that everyone is a racist chav moron.

No, I never said that the claim was "everyone is a racist chav moron." See this is the strawman part.

Well unless you are going to come up with some completely objective test of racism, with a word itself being inherently racist, a subjective test that runs along the basis of what is considered racist by an reasonable person is what we're going to have to go with.

And guess what? The guy making unreasonable arguments (you) is not the baseline for "reasonable person" in this case. If you don't think "Paki" is racist, or for that matter "Jap," your view is sufficiently skewed from reality as to be dismissed.

Frankly, it's an assumption that probably, in a vast generalisation, rings true.

What a load of horseshit. Frankly, it's an assumption that is wrong, unproveable, and by your own logic a meaningless, unsupportable statement.

It's darling that you agree with it though.

Yank is about the same as Limey, really.

Not really, and even then Limey isn't that bad.

Not really, and even then Limey isn't that bad.
Eh I dunno, man, it's about the same as Jap.

Aye it is a bit.

Way to utterly dodge the question, pal ;)


It's an irrelevant question. Is Prince Harry a Pakistani? No? Then the situation doesn't compare.


... how so?

You want me to explain the difference between racism directed at Japanese people, and a term used to refer to the United States? Really?

Is Krauts OK? If not, is it better than Yidds? How's about Frogs?

None of that is acceptable in my book.

Eh I dunno, man, it's about the same as Jap.

Not even close.

It's an irrelevant question. Is Prince Harry a Pakistani? No? Then the situation doesn't compare.
Alright, so despite this guy calling himself a Paki, the fact that Prince Harry isn't from Pakistan makes it not alright?
You want me to explain the difference between racism directed at Japanese people, and a term used to refer to the United States? Really?
Yeop. Had a war with both, called one group Yanks and the other Japs. Same real level of offensiveness for the same purpose. Same use for me in general conversation, too.

"Ah those crazy Yanks/Japs".
None of that is acceptable in my book.
Rightio.

Not even close.
How is it not -_-

Four years ago, little Harry was wearing a Nazi costume with swastika.
But boys turn into men and now News of the World revealed some video where he’s shouting racist words.

IMHO, it’s time to bring little Harry in front of a courtroom.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/123700/Watch-Prince-Harrys-racist-outbursts-on-video.html

So in Britain you can put people on trial for using arguably/marginally racist words? Lovely.

So in Britain you can put people on trial for using arguably/marginally racist words? Lovely.
No, you can't. You can for people inciting racial hatred, but that's not at all what this is about.

So in Britain you can put people on trial for using arguably/marginally racist words? Lovely.

Nope. Only if you say something like "Kill all the Pakis!" or "Burn the niggers!" etc.

I'm sure there's a more rational explanation. He doesn't look a bit like James Hewit:
http://njmg.typepad.com/ervolino/images/2008/03/02/prince_harry_james_hewitt_20050413.jpg
nope. Not a bit. not at all.

Good for Diana, Harry is cuter than William. :p

I wonder if Harry is gonna get a dna test or something, I mean wouldnt you wanna know your real father?

No, you can't. You can for people inciting racial hatred, but that's not at all what this is about.

Apparently the author of the OP was ignorant of this, since they said that Harry should be put "in front of a courtroom", right?

Maybe you should go tell them what the topic is about?

Good for Diana, Harry is cuter than William. :p

I wonder if Harry is gonna get a dna test or something, I mean wouldnt you wanna know your real father?
not if it kept you from being royal....

but if the unfortunate happened and he was to be the next king, is there someone who can require a dna test?

Apparently the author of the OP was ignorant of this, since they said that Harry should be put "in front of a courtroom", right?

Maybe you should go tell them what the topic is about?
I think they got slapped for that a few pages back.

not if it kept you from being royal....

but if the unfortunate happened and he was to be the next king, is there someone who can require a dna test?

I assume the next person in line for the throne would make some noise.

I think they got slapped for that a few pages back.

Ok, sorry then.

Ok, sorry then.
Naw, it's fine, man.

not if it kept you from being royal....

but if the unfortunate happened and he was to be the next king, is there someone who can require a dna test?

Being a bastard is actually quite traditional in the British Royal Family

Being a bastard is actually quite traditional in the British Royal Family
Rather that than having webbed feet tbqh.

not if it kept you from being royal....


He had his fun, after this it gets boring, all those state stuff.

Rather that than having webbed feet tbqh.
they are both handsome young men. he may not have loved her but charles made a good choice in diana. something needed to be done about that whole horse-faced thing that the family has going on.

Do we have a UK lawyer on this forum?
I'm sure Hotwife can pretend to be one if you ask him nicely enough.

He wasn’t being racist if you bother to watch the video; the man in question did not care about being called Paki, because that was his nickname, because he was from Pakistan. Used in the right context paki is no more racist than Brit, Jock, Taffy or Paddy.

Raghead is army slang referring to the Taliban and other insurgent forces. I dont get why people try to PC the Army, it just wont happen.

I dont see what the problem is, he said it to a friend in a harmless way. Me and my friends say racist things to eachother all the time and we just laugh about it. Not once have I been told to lay off terms like "hey my negro amigo" and the likes. If it was about someone who he didnt know then fair enough, but between friends it is just casual banter.

^^^This...

Although, that being said, a Member of the Royal Family shouldve seen it coming...If Bush's daughters said and did things like that, we'd bitch about it too I suppose....

Using "Jap" to refer to Japanese people is racist. I'm not going to help burn your strawmen for you.

You said Jap. Why are you racist against the Japanese people?

What's that? Context? Why should you get to use the context defense when you won't give it to anyone else? Anyone who says a racist word is a racist after all according to you. So you're just racist. Stop trying to make excuses.

You said Jap. Why are you racist against the Japanese people?

What's that? Context? Why should you get to use the context defense when you won't give it to anyone else? Anyone who says a racist word is a racist after all according to you. So you're just racist. Stop trying to make excuses.

Psh, you and your logic...Political Correctness clearly states that arguments based on Logic and Reason are discriminatory towards many cultures...

You said Jap. Why are you racist against the Japanese people?

What's that? Context? Why should you get to use the context defense when you won't give it to anyone else? Anyone who says a racist word is a racist after all according to you. So you're just racist. Stop trying to make excuses.

He didnt call anyone a Jap.

He didnt call anyone a Jap.

Addressing someone with the term is context. If you want to take out context when yelling racism over word choice, then you don't get any at all either. Turnabout you know.

Apparently Prince Charles has been calling an Asian member of his polo club 'Sooty' for years...the whole family are fuckwits.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7826701.stm

the whole family are fuckwits.
We ought to Jeremy Kyle their asses.

Alright, so despite this guy calling himself a Paki, the fact that Prince Harry isn't from Pakistan makes it not alright?

It was a flawed analogy. Simple as that.


Yeop. Had a war with both, called one group Yanks and the other Japs. Same real level of offensiveness for the same purpose. Same use for me in general conversation, too.

"Ah those crazy Yanks/Japs".

"Japs" refers to people of the Japanese race. It is a racial term, and derogatory.

"Yanks" refers to people from the United States. It is not a racial term, and while it might be considered derogatory it's nowhere near the same level of offensiveness.

You said Jap. Why are you racist against the Japanese people?

Hurr hurrr.

What's that? Context? Why should you get to use the context defense when you won't give it to anyone else?

The context defense? Bullshit. I'm seeing the "it's not a racist word" defense. I'm seeing the "it's just a shorterning of the word Pakistani, there is no offensive bigotry associated with it whatsoever" defense. I'm seeing the "Jap isn't an offensive, racist term either!" defense.

Anyone who says a racist word is a racist after all according to you.

No. I never once said that.

Maybe you people could do me a favor and just STFU if you're going to keep insisting I said things I didn't. I'm fucking sick of your strawmen fallacies.

Logic indeed. The only way for you to be right is by making shit up.

So you're just racist. Stop trying to make excuses.

tee-hee!

Do we have a UK lawyer on this forum?

I happen to be one. And under the unwritten British Constitution it says I am now the crown prince, due to this incident disqualify the whole branch of the family.
*NOD*

The context defense? Bullshit. I'm seeing the "it's not a racist word" defense. I'm seeing the "it's just a shorterning of the word Pakistani, there is no offensive bigotry associated with it whatsoever" defense. I'm seeing the "Jap isn't an offensive, racist term either!" defense.

The context of the word in which Harry spoke it seems, by all accounts, both an address and description which were neither derogatory nor offensive, not even to the person it was addressed to.

You on the other hand, along with a few media vultures, took offense at it, throwing out any form of context for hand in the air ranting that it's racist no matter what so long as it's addressed to someone.

And might I add, indirectly going about telling other people what they can or can't find offensive if it's addressed to them. You never did bother to care what Harry's friend thought about it did you? Oh no. That would be reasonable. It's racist because you say so, and no one else can take it differently, nuh uh.


Logic indeed. The only way for you to be right is by making shit up.


I don't have to make things up. You do it quite nicely by telling people that they should be offended regardless of what they feel on matters pertaining to them.

I don't eat it that people say 'oh, we are in the army now, here we can talk racist lines'.

Little Harry was not in a war situation but as an officer in a safe training condition, there was no reason to lose some steam.

What's next? Some soldiers do rape women in conquered area. Should we allow this one too? Hey, they have to lose some steam, no?

From a member whose direct family is representing a nation, you could expect at least some class. But hey, we are in the army now, we don't need class.

I don't eat it that people say 'oh, we are in the army now, here we can talk racist lines'.

Little Harry was not in a war situation but as an officer in a safe training condition, there was no reason to lose some steam.

What's next? Some soldiers do rape women in conquered area. Should we allow this one too? Hey, they have to lose some steam, no?

From a member whose direct family is representing a nation, you could expect at least some class. But hey, we are in the army now, we don't need class.

The army is a microcosm of society. Society has no class, so why do you expect the Army to have any?

Apparently Prince Charles has been calling an Asian member of his polo club 'Sooty' for years...the whole family are fuckwits. So what? And it wasn’t just 'member' it was friend, what goes on between friends is none of our business.

The army is a microcosm of society. Society has no class, so why do you expect the Army to have any?
Erm... maybe in the states... here's it's more like plebs and private school boys.

Erm... maybe in the states... here's it's more like plebs and private school boys.

So you're saying the UK isn't like a load of plebs lorded over by some public schoolboys?

Hmmmmmmmm.

;)

So you're saying the UK isn't like a load of plebs lorded over by some public schoolboys?

Hmmmmmmmm.

;)
Not really, no. For starters, we have masses of MC people doing the administrative legwork that keeps the country going.