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...ok well it doesn't nescessarily have to be a cage match, but who would you want to see in a fight. It can be one on one, tag team, handicap, or just an all out brawl. Anyone throughout history can be selected.

Hell I might as well throw in literary characters as well. Is there anyone you would love to get in a locked room for 5 minutes with to unleash some punishment upon?

Also you have to add who you think would win and why...just to keep this thread a little more interesting.

Discuss!

Hell I might as well throw in literary characters as well. Is there anyone you would love to get in a locked room for 5 minutes with to unleash some punishment upon? Dane Cook vs. Christopher Walken.

I have no idea who in hell would win, but it would be epic. :p

I've always joked that a good way to end the war on terror would be to have Bush and Bin Laden settle things the old way, like men, in single combat.

Better yet, let them fight with their traditional weapons. Bin Laden gets a sword, Bush gets a six shooter or a shotgun. Bush shoots Bin Laden, everybody wins. :D

Joking of course, but its an amusing thought.

Also, the Batman as of the end of The Dark Knight, vs James Bond as of the end of Quantum of Solace. It couldn't be a fight to the death though, since the Batman doesn't like to kill.

Aquinas v. Kant

It isn't even so much ideology as it is that I would enjoy watching the big names of Philosophy beat the shit out of each other.

I've always joked that a good way to end the war on terror would be to have Bush and Bin Laden settle things the old way, like men, in single combat.

Better yet, let them fight with their traditional weapons. Bin Laden gets a sword, Bush gets a six shooter or a shotgun. Bush shoots Bin Laden, everybody wins. :D

Joking of course, but its an amusing thought.


Bin Laden would kick Bush's ass.

That is probably the most unamerican thing I could say, but it's true.

Bin Laden would kick Bush's ass.

That is probably the most unamerican thing I could say, but it's true.

Well the old bastard is what, 70? And his kidneys are supposed to be failing.

However, why do you think he gets a sword and Bush gets a gun?;)

Well the old bastard is what, 70? And his kidneys are supposed to be failing.

However, why do you think he gets a sword and Bush gets a gun?;)

All Bin Laden would need is a pretzel.

Idea from Fight Club??

Hmm.. Tom Brady v Tom Cruise. Don't know why..

George Washington and Abe Lincoln, with a mid-fight interruption by Teddy Roosevelt! :D

Idea from Fight Club??

Hmm.. Tom Brady v Tom Cruise. Don't know why..

Actually the idea started at work, by people who most likely didn't get the idea from fight club. I do see where you got that though.

I would have like to have seen Cruise vs. Travolta, and the winner has to come out of the closet.

George Washington and Abe Lincoln, with a mid-fight interruption by Teddy Roosevelt! :D

..and in the end all 3 are shot in the back by Aaron Burr.

Actually the idea started at work, by people who most likely didn't get the idea from fight club. I do see where you got that though.

I would have like to have seen Cruise vs. Travolta, and the winner has to come out of the closet.

Yeah, I love fight club. Fights are cool.

Heh that's a good one.

For a NZ flavour, ex PMs Helen Clarke v Jenny Shipley.

Aquinas v. Kant

It isn't even so much ideology as it is that I would enjoy watching the big names of Philosophy beat the shit out of each other.

Good idea, but Kant and Aquinas? I'd go with Peirce vs. Descartes, or Ayer vs. Copleston II, with folding chairs and breakaway glass this time. :D

..and in the end all 3 are shot in the back by Aaron Burr.

and then since Teddy is just made of pure awesome, would beat Aaron to a bloody pulp with Abe.

and then since Teddy is just made of pure awesome, would beat Aaron to a bloody pulp with Abe.

Not bad fighting skills for a man in a wheelchair.

Not bad fighting skills for a man in a wheelchair.

TEDDY Roosevelt, not Franklin....

Not bad fighting skills for a man in a wheelchair.

Wrong Roosevelt. Teddy's the one who liked to hack Spaniards to bits on horseback. Frankie's the one who liked to eat Zero bars in his bunker.

TEDDY Roosevelt, not Franklin....


I knew that. :p

I knew that. :pYou LIE! :eek:

I knew that. :p

That ruins the fun. :(

You LIE! :eek:

That ruins the fun. :(

I am glad to have shat on your apple pie.

I am glad to have shat on your apple pie.Zero Punctuation?

...Is that you, Aussie? *peers intently*

Zero Punctuation?

...Is that you, Aussie? *peers intently*

No its just Minoriteeburg, I am american...I think.

No its just Minoriteeburg, I am american...I think.Excellent, that's so rare in humanity these days. ;)

Hogan v. Austin. I'm going to have to go with Austin for the win.

Richard the Lion-Heart v. Saladin, one on one. I'm going to go with Richard on this one.

Godzilla v. King Kong. I'm going to take Godzilla on this one.

Excellent, that's so rare in humanity these days. ;)

Like I always say, I am not ignorant towards american history, I just went to public school.

King George III vs President George Washington...


Chuck Norris vs God...


Hades vs Lucifer...

Ryu vs Liu Kang...

Ken vs Johnny Cage...

Apache vs Mongols...

Achilles vs Leonidas...

Arnold Schwarzenegger vs Sylvester Stallone...

Master Chief vs Wolverine...

Iceman vs Sub-Zero...

The result of Hulk vs Wolverine...

Jean-Claude Van Damme vs. Steven Segal

the winner gets a permanent direct-to-dvd career, the other dies in shame.

Jean-Claude Van Damme vs. Steven Segal

the winner gets a permanent direct-to-dvd career, the other dies in shame.

I'm going to go with Van Damme on that one. His movies are easier to watch when you're drunk, and more entertaining when you're sick.

Idea from Fight Club??

Anyone who thinks the idea of 'dream matches' between random figures generates from Fight Club either isn't all that imaginative or doesn't understand the principle on which that book was written. Truth of the matter, X vs. Y discussions been around pretty much forever.

Here are some of mine:

Asimo vs. that trumpet playing Toyota robot

Hamburger Helper Hand vs. Pillsbury Doughboy

Dave Thomas vs. Carl Cartcher (you have to be into American fast food for that one)

A royal rumble of breakfast cereal spokescartoons.

Keith Richards Vs. Ozzy Osbourne would be another good one.

Anyone who thinks the idea of 'dream matches' between random figures generates from Fight Club either isn't all that imaginative or doesn't understand the principle on which that book was written. Truth of the matter, X vs. Y discussions been around pretty much forever.

Here are some of mine:

Asimo vs. that trumpet playing Toyota robot

Hamburger Helper Hand vs. Pillsbury Doughboy

Dave Thomas vs. Carl Cartcher (you have to be into American fast food for that one)

A royal rumble of breakfast cereal spokescartoons.

Tony the Tiger would own that brawl.

Tony the Tiger would own that brawl.

Idk, Lucky the Leprechaun has Marshmallow Magic, he'd just turn him into candy, lol...

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/bridget/Ronald%20McDonald.jpg

VS.

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/brandnewday/archives/burger-king.jpg

Dave Thomas vs. Carl Cartcher (you have to be into American fast food for that one)

What about Ronald McDonald v. The King? Or a royal rumble of Sat. morning cartoon characters?

Keith Richards Vs. Ozzy Osbourne would be another good one.

The Stones v. The Beatles. Keith Richards v. Mick Jagger

Idk, Lucky the Leprechaun has Marshmallow Magic, he'd just turn him into candy, lol...

that leperchaun can't even hide from children, how can he withstand the force that is tony the tiger.

The Stones v. The Beatles.

We can finally have the White Album battle.

All Scientologists in the World past and present Vs. GODZILLA!!!!!!!

Kurt Cobain vs Sid Vicious

Flea vs Les Claypool

Kurt Cobain vs Sid Vicious

Flea vs Les Claypool

Les Claypool would kick fleas ass in talent alone.

Les Claypool would kick fleas ass in talent alone.

Possibly, but in a straight fight, I think Flea may have him, he's usually pretty buff, lol...

Tony the Tiger would own that brawl.

My money would be on Sugar Bear, though Sonny is the wild card.

My money would be on Sugar Bear, though Sonny is the wild card.

The wild card would be the Honey Comb...whatever it is. It just looks like it's constantly on meth, therefore would feel no pain or remorse.

The wild card would be the Honey Comb...whatever it is. It just looks like it's constantly on meth, therefore would feel no pain or remorse.

Are you talking about The Honeycomb Kid or Crazy Craving? Because Honeycomb Kid would be the first one down along with that other wuss Cheerios Kid. That Trix Rabbit isn't going to last all that long either.

Napoleon Bonaparte vs. Ray Mysterio.

Battle of the midgets!

That Trix Rabbit isn't going to last all that long either.

Idk about that...

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa201/delilah_a/animations/thfamily-guy-021207-14.gif

Are you talking about The Honeycomb Kid or Crazy Craving? Because Honeycomb Kid would be the first one down along with that other wuss Cheerios Kid. That Trix Rabbit isn't going to last all that long either.

this thing...

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i272/halowashurr/honeycomb.jpg

the winner of that cereal mascot fight should take on the true champ: The Kool Aid Man.

the winner of that cereal mascot fight should take on the true champ: The Kool Aid Man.

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/050401/koolaidman.jpg

Kagetora;14390049']Napoleon Bonaparte vs. Ray Mysterio.

All Bonaparte would have to do is give Rey a dirty look and he'd tear/break/strain something, be injured again, and take another six months off.

this thing...

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i272/halowashurr/honeycomb.jpg
That's Crazy Craving.
the winner of that cereal mascot fight should take on the true champ: The Kool Aid Man.

Not a cereal, which then opens the door for other cartoon mascots, like Chester Cheetah.

Also, don't forget that Underdog started as a mascot for Cheerios.

That's Crazy Craving.


Not a cereal, which then opens the door for other cartoon mascots, like Chester Cheetah.

Also, don't forget that Underdog started as a mascot for Cheerios.

The Kool Aid man would destory Chester Cheetah, as well as Andy Capp, and the Pringles Guy.

The Kool Aid man would destory Chester Cheetah, as well as Andy Capp, and the Pringles Guy.

I think the the hidden threat is Cool Spot, *points at avatar*...

He has skills the likes of which mere mortals couldnt possibly imagine, lol...

Trying to raise the intellectual level here:

Goethe and Dante vs Shakespeare and Bacon in a tag-team battle to the death.

George Bernard Shaw vs Oscar Wilde with James Joyce fighting the victor.

Edgar Allen Poe vs. Sigmund Freud

[IMG]Ronald McDonald
VS.
The Burger King
If no holds-barred, it'd be Burger King:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn3/DAT_NEW_KID_2008/Burger_King_Kills_Ronald_Mcdonald.gif

Wrestling, Ronald would have the upper hand:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bL9zqgzg2xE

If no holds-barred, it'd be Burger King:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn3/DAT_NEW_KID_2008/Burger_King_Kills_Ronald_Mcdonald.gif

Wrestling, Ronald would have the upper hand:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bL9zqgzg2xE

I definitely agree with the no-holds barred fight. He is a sneaky king.

Edgar Allen Poe vs. Sigmund Freud

Sigmund. I hate to say it, but the guy had a lot of sexual issues.

And as a gay guy; I've noticed most of the fights have been male on male. What gives "supposed straight" guys?


Angelina Jolie v. Jennifer Aniston

Fight!

Trying to raise the intellectual level here

No no no...embrace the stupid, you'll feel much better. Besides, any X v. Y question is bound to circle the pop culture drain sooner or later.

Goethe and Dante vs Shakespeare and Bacon in a tag-team battle to the death.

You do know Shakespeare and Bacon were the same person don't you?

I say Marxism v. Sanity

Ann Coulter v. Arianna Huffington...IN JELLO

And as a gay guy; I've noticed most of the fights have been male on male. What gives "supposed straight" guys?

Because men fight men. You never hit a woman. And when straight guys think of chicks fighting, they think of foxy boxing or similar pursuits, which aren't really fights, but just excuses to see naked chicks.

Sigmund. I hate to say it, but the guy had a lot of sexual issues.

And as a gay guy; I've noticed most of the fights have been male on male. What gives "supposed straight" guys?


I think its something along the lines of

Angelina Jolie vs Chuck Norris

would be a little one sided, lol...

Sigmund. I hate to say it, but the guy had a lot of sexual issues.

And as a gay guy; I've noticed most of the fights have been male on male. What gives "supposed straight" guys?


Angelina Jolie v. Jennifer Aniston

Fight!

Their's nothing gay about men fighting, unless every action movie (and war) in history was gay.

As for your suggestion, Jolie. I can't recall Aniston ever doing an action movie.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41014000/jpg/_41014623_godsave_pa_300.jpg

John Bull

Vs

Uncle Sam

http://www.polyventurepublications.com/Uncle%20Sam-medium.jpg

Anyone who thinks the idea of 'dream matches' between random figures generates from Fight Club either isn't all that imaginative or doesn't understand the principle on which that book was written. Truth of the matter, X vs. Y discussions been around pretty much forever.

Ouch.
I watched Fight Club last night and it immediately jumped to mind. I'm terribly sorry for being unimaginative.

Perez Hilton vs. Paris Hilton - battle of wits - Perez wins.

A three way between Oprah Winfrey, Martha Stewart and Rachael Ray - jello wrestling - Giada DiLaurentis wins.

Rosie O'Donnell vs. Ann Coulter - ?

Steven Hawking and Mike Tyson circa 1987

Good idea, but Kant and Aquinas? I'd go with Peirce vs. Descartes, or Ayer vs. Copleston II, with folding chairs and breakaway glass this time. :D

I was going along the assumption as they are kind of almost personifications of their respective eras.

Bentham vs. Hobbes might be good. I'd imagine Bentham would have quite a complex plan, allowing himself to get roughed up a good bit to maneuver his opponent towards his doom, while Hobbes would fight dirty and desperate.

Ann Coulter v. Arianna Huffington...IN JELLO

Do not want.

Battle of Human/Vampire couples:

Edward Cullen & Bella v. Buffy Summers & Angel. Buffy and Angel win, obviously, but that is not the end of it. You see, Buffy and Angel will obviously leave Bella alive, but Buffy stakes Edward. This provides the spark for all-out war:

The Twilight fangirls v. the Whedonites

The Twilight fangirls have hormonal rage and probably numbers, but the Whedonites are much more organized, and have access to archaic weaponry. Not to mention, an army led by a director is probably better off than an army led by a writer - directing is probably closer to warfare than writing is.

who would i want to see in a fight? no one! (not even cream pie throwing robots)

aggressiveness is an annoying distraction that interferes with the real gratifications of creating and exploring; while itself, like trying to impress anyone, gratifying nothing.

Harry Potter vs. Cthulhu.

:D

Harry Potter vs. Cthulhu.

:D

well ok, but harry gets the chocklet and that over grown calimari gets the lemon merang

well ok, but harry gets the chocklet and that over grown calimari gets the lemon merang

Who wouldn't want to see a lemon meringue pie the size of a stadium dropped onto that punk?

Other pie fights:

Ann Coulter vs. Susan B. Anthony

Hippos vs. Hippies

Jesus vs. Fass

Sarah Palin vs. Caroline Kennedy

The Los Angeles Police Department vs. The New York Police Department.

Germany vs. France

Seinfeld vs Superman

DOnuts vs Cookies

and last but not least,

Israel vs Palestine.

:D

The Governator vs. The Shrub.

Tony the Tiger would own that brawl.

Except that I ate tony the tiger. He tasted grrrrrrrreat!

George W. Bush vs Liu Shan. No weapons.

And Geecku vs Lavy. Everyone watching wins.

Why must people fight to the death? Can't we just have a nice little game of cricket and then some nice hot cups of tea?

Why must people fight to the death? Can't we just have a nice little game of cricket and then some nice hot cups of tea?

Do you really think we'd skimp on the LIF2 spells?

Do you really think we'd skimp on the LIF2 spells?

http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/unsure.gif

I dunno...

Sigmund. I hate to say it, but the guy had a lot of sexual issues.


You're right, Poe would be too busy wallowing in his own sorrow.


And as a gay guy; I've noticed most of the fights have been male on male. What gives "supposed straight" guys?


Angelina Jolie v. Jennifer Aniston

Fight!

my first female fight...

Dame Edna vs. Ru Paul!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41014000/jpg/_41014623_godsave_pa_300.jpg

John Bull

Vs

Uncle Sam

http://www.polyventurepublications.com/Uncle%20Sam-medium.jpg

I give uncle sam the edge. He does got those chains...

Except that I ate tony the tiger. He tasted grrrrrrrreat!

Why's everyone hating on Tony the Tiger?

Why's everyone hating on Tony the Tiger?

It's the commercials, I think. And that it BEGS -- moreso than olvier twist, mind you -- for a post like mine.

Nietzsche v. Kant


Fixed.

Hmmm...I want to see all the prior Governors of IL who have been to jail (or will be going to jail, youre not getting out of this Blago) have a cage match to the death.

Ayn Rand v. Karl Marx. Rand armed with Atlas Shrugged, Marx with Das Kapital.

The State of Israel (circa 1967) v. The Third Reich (circa 1942), no other powers involved.

George Washington v. Vladimir Lenin, no weapons.

What are your thoughts?

Prince Phillip, Joe Biden and the new Japanese prime minister in a 3-way gaffe-off, which each taking a shot every time any of them says something hilariously un-PC. The winner is the one left alive while the others will have had a massive liver failure and probably will have fallen into an alcoholic coma within 10 minutes.

Ayn Rand v. Karl Marx. Rand armed with Atlas Shrugged, Marx with Das Kapital.

The State of Israel (circa 1967) v. The Third Reich (circa 1942), no other powers involved.

George Washington v. Vladimir Lenin, no weapons.

What are your thoughts?

Israel has nukes.

The third reich doesn't.

Teddy Roosevelt! :D

He did boxing and ju-jitsu, so I wouldn't mess with him.

Richard Dawkins vs... The Pope!

Richard Dawkins vs... The Pope!

Dawkins all the way -- the pope will be too busy praying for a miracle to fight back.

Dawkins all the way -- the pope will be too busy praying for a miracle to fight back.
Also he's old.

Also he's old.

I dunno, there's John Paul II. He was probably hiding a shotgun in that hat of his.

I dunno, there's John Paul II. He was probably hiding a shotgun in that hat of his.

He wasn't, but someone else was. *nod*

Nietzsche v God.

or Jesus v Muhammad. Twould be an interesting fight. You can't see Muhammad so he'll be able to sneak up on Jesus yet Jesus would also make the comeback after each smackdown. Make take 3 days but he'd be back!

Bush VS Putin, Fairly obvious result there.

King Juan Carlos VS Hugo Chavez, Revenge for the "por que no te callas" incident

Hamas VS Westboro Baptist Church

The Beatles VS The Rolling Stones

Tolstoy VS Chekhov

Tom Cruise vs. Xenu vs. C'thulhu

Tom Cruise vs. Xenu vs. C'thulhu

C'thulhu. Why choose the LESSER evil? :p

Elmo vs. Spongebob

C'thulhu. Why choose the LESSER evil? :p

Elmo vs. Spongebob

That winner will be Patrick. Or Cookie Monster. Actually, that's the fight I want to see, Cookie Monster vs. Dick Cheney.

C'thulhu. Why choose the LESSER evil? :p

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e3/Chthulu_office.jpg

http://members.shaw.ca/csstrowbridge/Tulzscha/Cthulhu.jpg

Cthulhu

vs

Kraken

http://museum.cwlwd.com/kraken.jpg

vs

Leviathan

http://goatmilk.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/leviathan11.jpeg

It's the commercials, I think. And that it BEGS -- moreso than olvier twist, mind you -- for a post like mine.

True. He might win by sheer size and brute strength though.



Cthulhu

vs

Kraken



vs

Leviathan



Add the flying spaghetti monster and that may be the most epic battle royal in existence.

http://members.shaw.ca/csstrowbridge/Tulzscha/Cthulhu.jpg

Cthulhu

vs

Kraken

http://museum.cwlwd.com/kraken.jpg

vs

Leviathan

http://goatmilk.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/leviathan11.jpeg

You forgot one....
It should be:
http://members.shaw.ca/csstrowbridge/Tulzscha/Cthulhu.jpg

Cthulhu

vs

Kraken

http://museum.cwlwd.com/kraken.jpg

vs

Leviathan

http://goatmilk.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/leviathan11.jpeg

vs

Godzilla

http://kirinsama.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/godzilla.jpg

Might as well throw king kong in the mix...

Might as well throw king kong in the mix...

NO! No King Kong, he's a wuss!

NO! No King Kong, he's a wuss!


Can't I watch King Kong be ripped to shreds by the biggest goliaths ever to grace this earth?

Can't I watch King Kong be ripped to shreds by the biggest goliaths ever to grace this earth?

Sorry, but no.

Here's another one:

Jet Jaguar
http://seifer11.tripod.com/jetjag/superjet.gif


VS.

Ultraman
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk305/JimmyConotix/ultraman.jpg

Here's another one:

Jet Jaguar
http://seifer11.tripod.com/jetjag/superjet.gif

:eek:

That looks frightening!

:eek:

That looks frightening!

Jet Jaguar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_jaguar#Jet_Jaguar) is badass!

Jet Jaguar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_jaguar#Jet_Jaguar) is badass!

True, but I bet the Tripod logo would own Ultraman.

Captain Beefheart vs Sergeant Pepper.

Lunatic Goofballs v. Great Cthulhu

Lunatic Goofballs v. Great Cthulhu

That would be a quick fight.

That would be a quick fight.

Yep. Quick fight. *nod*

George Washington, Thomas Adams, Ulysses S. Grant, and Benjamin Franklin in a steel cage surrounded by a river of molten quarters.

George Washington, Thomas Adams, Ulysses S. Grant, and Benjamin Franklin in a steel cage surrounded by a river of molten quarters.

Adams and Grant die quickly. If this battle was in the open, then Franklin would win, because he can use lightning. But the steel cage makes Franklin's lightning powers useless, so it goes to Washington.

Tag Team Cage Match: FDR, Churchill, & Stalin v. Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito. My money says Churchill and Stalin beat the everloving crap out of the Axis.

I would have Kim Jong Il fight Napoleon. Fists only.

Prince vs Queen.

Ghengis Khan versus Atilla the Hun!

Ghengis Khan versus Atilla the Hun!

Attila the Hun: Conquered a lot of territory in Eastern Europe, and was actually considered a threat to the Roman Empire.

Chinggis Khan*: Conquered Chinese and Persian Empires. Only man in history to invade Russia and win.

Khan.

*-that is the proper pronunciation

More hypothetical historic wars:

Iroquois League v. Assyrian Empire

Boris against Red Ken.

Dick Cheney
http://www.sott.net/image/image/14626/full/dickcheney.jpg

vs.

Hillary Clinton
http://begojohnson.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/hillary_clinton.jpg

Dick Cheney
http://www.sott.net/image/image/14626/full/dickcheney.jpg

vs.

Hillary Clinton
http://begojohnson.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/hillary_clinton.jpg

To be fair, you have to take away Cheney's shotgun.

I dunno, there's John Paul II. He was probably hiding a shotgun in that hat of his.

I always wanted to see John Paul II fight Queen Elizabeth.

To be fair, you have to take away Cheney's shotgun.
even without he has many ways to kill a person:
http://www.prorev.com/602cheney.jpg


re: that Hillary picture. I think we've just found a replacement Joker for the next Batman movie. No make-up required!

Zombie John Lennon vs. Paul McCartney

Zombie John Lennon vs. Paul McCartney

WHich Paul McCartney?

Zombie John Lennon vs. Paul McCartney

Zombie Lennon vs Zombie Lenin

Trying to raise the intellectual level here:

Goethe and Dante vs Shakespeare and Bacon in a tag-team battle to the death.
Nice one. I believe Goethe and Dante might make it.


Here's something I wanna see:

Mills Lane vs. Pierluigi Collina

http://chronicle.augusta.com/images/headlines/031101/Judge_Mills_Lane.jpg vs. http://www.adiyamanhaber.com/b/userimages/colina.jpg

Here's something I wanna see:

Mills Lane vs. Pierluigi Collina


Mills Lane

NationStates v. Stormfront

I'm thinking that we would bury them.

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:1tP2nZg3RIr98M:http://www.tengre.net/Milton-Friedman.jpg/Milton-Friedman-full%3Binit:.jpg

Milton Friedman

vs

Karl Marx

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:JhoYEa5lm1cKOM:http://esoriano.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/marx.jpg

Tony Benn Vs Dara O'Brian

Lord Voldemort v. Dark Willow

http://www.overcaffeinated.org/images/soda-pop/barq%5C%5C%5C%27s-root-beer-1.jpg

Barq's

vs

A&W

http://4-everybody.com/images/31wXoKYbKuL._AA280_.jpg

Lord Voldemort v. Dark Willow

Who is Dark Willow? And what would make them a good match for Voldemort?

Oh, and for a classic battle: Star Trek vs Star Wars. Their are quite a few variations on this that I've seen over the years. For example:

Q vs all Jedi or Sith to ever live.
An Imperial Star Destroyer against the entire Federation fleet.
A Dominion Changeling vs a Sith Lord.

I'm sure their are plenty of others out their as well.

Oh, and for a classic battle: Star Trek vs Star Wars. Their are quite a few variations on this that I've seen over the years. .

I think the real problem would be in Assuming they would stick to their respective sides....I think they would form multiple factions and alliances...Based on Similar Ideology or Strategic Advantage...

I think the real problem would be in Assuming they would stick to their respective sides....I think they would form multiple factions and alliances...Based on Similar Ideology or Strategic Advantage...

That's why I gave some specific examples.;)

That's why I gave some specific examples.;)

Lol, I know, but Ive had this argument with my friends...We're about evenly split between Fandalorians and Trekkies, lol...

I said the Klingons would hire out the Mandos and the two would conquer the universe...resulting in our own galaxy falling in a massive wave of Violence, lol...

Lol, I know, but Ive had this argument with my friends...We're about evenly split between Fandalorians and Trekkies, lol...

I said the Klingons would hire out the Mandos and the two would conquer the universe...resulting in our own galaxy falling in a massive wave of Violence, lol...

If the Mandos were that good, why didn't they take down the Empire? And would the Klingons be able to higher out more than a few of them? How high are their rates?:D

And no one beats the Q.

Any way, no one's told me who Dark Willow is, and how they'd beat Voldemort.;)

Who is Dark Willow? And what would make them a good match for Voldemort?


Willow Rosenberg is a character from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Over the course of the show, she becomes an increasingly powerful witch, culminating in the Dark Willow arc. The short version is: the villain kills her girlfriend (she was a lesbian), she goes mad with grief, loads up on black magic, and nearly destroys the world.

As for her being a match for Voldemort? She's an extremely powerful witch packing tons of dark magic. She flayed Warren (the aforementioned villain) alive with a simple gesture. It is strongly hinted that we never see the full extent of her power. Voldemort could certainly kill her - if he can get Avada Kedavra off and she's unable to block it - but if she can block it, or if she can strip Voldemort of his wand, he's dead meat.

If the Mandos were that good, why didn't they take down the Empire? And would the Klingons be able to higher out more than a few of them? How high are their rates?:D


Well, Its a pretty high fee, but an Empire with the oppulence of the Klingons could manage it...Hell, Boba might even agree to it just so they dont mess with the Mandalore sector like he did with the Yuuhzan-Vong...although they could do misinformation like they did then, possibly give the Alliance the edge, lol...

As far as the Empire is concerned...They werent really integrated during that time, it was alot like it was in the first KOTOR, they were all doing Freelance, Boba Fett is even hired by Vader to track down Solo...

Not to mention, they wouldnt be working alone, but with Klingon Support, lol...

Im the guy the Karen Traviss haters, really hate, lol...

Willow Rosenberg is a character from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Over the course of the show, she becomes an increasingly powerful witch, culminating in the Dark Willow arc. The short version is: the villain kills her girlfriend (she was a lesbian), she goes mad with grief, loads up on black magic, and nearly destroys the world.

As for her being a match for Voldemort? She's an extremely powerful witch packing tons of dark magic. She flayed Warren (the aforementioned villain) alive with a simple gesture. It is strongly hinted that we never see the full extent of her power. Voldemort could certainly kill her - if he can get Avada Kedavra off and she's unable to block it - but if she can block it, or if she can strip Voldemort of his wand, he's dead meat.

I thought that was who it was, but I'm no Buffy fan and I thought I'd check.

So, she's easily powerful enough to kick Voldemort's ass. So it comes down to who gets the first shot off. Basically a quick-draw contest.

However, unless she can do something about the Horcruxes, Voldemort will probably come back and finish her.

Well, Its a pretty high fee, but an Empire with the oppulence of the Klingons could manage it...Hell, Boba might even agree to it just so they dont mess with the Mandalore sector like he did with the Yuuhzan-Vong...although they could do misinformation like they did then, possibly give the Alliance the edge, lol...

How wealthy are the Klingons? At least at the time of the Praxis explosion, they appear to have been a second-rate Empire. And they took some nasty losses during the Dominion War as well I think.

For that matter, have the Klingons ever even highered mercs?

As far as the Empire is concerned...They werent really integrated during that time, it was alot like it was in the first KOTOR, they were all doing Freelance, Boba Fett is even hired by Vader to track down Solo...

Yes, but have the Mandos ever been a true galactic power during the last 4000 years? The only time I know of that they were a major power was during the KOTOR era, when they threatened the Republic until Revan kicked their asses.;)

Not to mention, they wouldnt be working alone, but with Klingon Support, lol...

Meh, Klingons. I don't know what kind of weapons most Mandalorians pack, but if they've all got ships like Slave 1, their's not much the Klingons could improve on. I suppose the cloaks and transporters might be good for grabbing some bounties, so maybe the Klingons could trade that tech in exchange for the Mandos removing a few of their enemies.

Im the guy the Karen Traviss haters, really hate, lol...

I'm not going to say anything about Traviss one way or the other, because 1) it could turn into a thread highjacking, and 2) it would likely end in flaming. That whole controversy is part of the ugly underbelly of Star Wars fandom.

I thought that was who it was, but I'm no Buffy fan and I thought I'd check.

So, she's easily powerful enough to kick Voldemort's ass. So it comes down to who gets the first shot off. Basically a quick-draw contest.

However, unless she can do something about the Horcruxes, Voldemort will probably come back and finish her.

My money's on Dark Willow for the quick-draw - she doesn't actually need to draw anything to attack. And that's assuming she doesn't have the kind of power needed to deflect Avada Kedavra.

WHich Paul McCartney?

I don't understand.

Zombie Lennon vs Zombie Lenin

That would be a tough call...I would go with Lenon. He would fight longer since his body hasn't been in the ground as long as Lenins.

I don't understand.



That would be a tough call...I would go with Lenon. He would fight longer since his body hasn't been in the ground as long as Lenins.

Lenin was frozen and put on display though, so it hasn't rotted as much.

Lenin was frozen and put on display though, so it hasn't rotted as much.

Ah, then I think it would be a draw. The only way that Zombie Lenin would win is if Zombie Lennon went back to his non-violence hippie roots.

Ah, then I think it would be a draw. The only way that Zombie Lenin would win is if Zombie Lennon went back to his non-violence hippie roots.

But Zombie Lennon would have non-Zombie Yoko Ono on his side.

Heres some

Jim Ross vs Gordon Solie
Jack Aubrey Vs Hornblower
Custer Brothers Vs Reno and Benteen in a handicap match
Thrud Vs Conan
Leo the Great vs Atilla

My money's on Dark Willow for the quick-draw - she doesn't actually need to draw anything to attack. And that's assuming she doesn't have the kind of power needed to deflect Avada Kedavra.

Yes, unless she's distracted or Voldemort ambushes her it does sound like she'd win.

As to blocking Avada Kedavra, I don't think its exactly a question of power. No Harry Potter wizard, however strong, as been able to magically block it. Of course, claiming that it could never be blocked magically would probably be a no-limits fallacy.

The only ways its been stopped as far as I can recall are by having someone die for you out of love (creating the protection Harry got from his mother), which seems to only make you immune to attack from that one person, or by blocking with a solid physical object (like how Dumbledore brought the statues to life and had them block the shots from Voldemort). Incidentally, I was much annoyed that the statues were cut out of the Voldemort/Dumbledore duel as portrayed on-screen. That was a really unconventional solution on Dumbledore's part, and showed just how clever he is. Cutting it for a more generic duel was retarded.

As to how Willow could block it, I'd have to know more about the extent of her powers. Could she, for example, stop time or otherwise "freeze" a particular area while the spell (a visible bolt) was passing through it? Could she magically generate a physical barrier between her and the spell? Could she "phase" through the bolt, or dodge at high speeds? Is she immortal in any way?

I would like to see The Phantom fight Spiderman.

Even though we all know who would win (The Phantom, at least if it's number 19, he was the best).

Yes, unless she's distracted or Voldemort ambushes her it does sound like she'd win.

As to blocking Avada Kedavra, I don't think its exactly a question of power. No Harry Potter wizard, however strong, as been able to magically block it. Of course, claiming that it could never be blocked magically would probably be a no-limits fallacy.

The only ways its been stopped as far as I can recall are by having someone die for you out of love (creating the protection Harry got from his mother), which seems to only make you immune to attack from that one person, or by blocking with a solid physical object (like how Dumbledore brought the statues to life and had them block the shots from Voldemort). Incidentally, I was much annoyed that the statues were cut out of the Voldemort/Dumbledore duel as portrayed on-screen. That was a really unconventional solution on Dumbledore's part, and showed just how clever he is. Cutting it for a more generic duel was retarded.

As to how Willow could block it, I'd have to know more about the extent of her powers. Could she, for example, stop time or otherwise "freeze" a particular area while the spell (a visible bolt) was passing through it? Could she magically generate a physical barrier between her and the spell? Could she "phase" through the bolt, or dodge at high speeds? Is she immortal in any way?

She could do the barrier thing.

In that case, I'm calling the fight in favor of Dark Willow.

New fight:

River Tam (Firefly) v. Cameron (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)

She could do the barrier thing.

In that case, I'm calling the fight in favor of Dark Willow.

New fight:

River Tam (Firefly) v. Cameron (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)

Do recall that Voldemort is immortal and thus wins by default unless Willow can do something about the Horcruxes.;)

As for River, what abilities does she have that will let her stand up to a Terminator?

Do recall that Voldemort is immortal and thus wins by default unless Willow can do something about the Horcruxes.;)

As for River, what abilities does she have that will let her stand up to a Terminator?

Willow is perfectly capable of doing something about the Horcruxes. She has locator magic.

River, on the other hand... good point.

Regarding an early fight, Jack Aubrey would wipe the floor with Horatio Hornblower.

Next fight:
The Star Kingdom of Manticore v. The Galactic Empire
My money says the Manticorans curbstomp the Empire, based on the fact that Manticoran warships can fight at ranges upwards of 1 million kilometers, and carry far more firepower than their Imperial counterparts. This overcomes the Empire's numerical superiority.

Richard Simmons and Tony Little

Aquinas v. Kant

It isn't even so much ideology as it is that I would enjoy watching the big names of Philosophy beat the shit out of each other.

Sign me up for some of that. Throw in Marx and few others. I bet on Sun Tzu.

Heres some

Jim Ross vs Gordon Solie
Jack Aubrey Vs Hornblower
Custer Brothers Vs Reno and Benteen in a handicap match
Thrud Vs Conan
Leo the Great vs Atilla



I am going with:

Jim Ross vs Gordon Solie - This one I have no opinion I don't know either very well
Jack Aubrey = Russel Crowe so I am going with him, that dude can fight
Reno and Benteen - This one was a tough one
Conan
Atilla

Jack Aubrey = Russel Crowe so I am going with him, that dude can fight
Crowe can fight?! really?
What parallel universe have you just popped in from?

Helen Keller vs Ghandi

Crowe can fight?! really?
What parallel universe have you just popped in from?

I am Decimus Maximus Meridius. Gladiator. Hornblowers only hope is if it not with a sword.

With regard to Star Wars vs. Star Trek

You have to leave Q out, if not it would tip the scales too badly. Depends on where they were fighting in Space or on a planet. In space I think Star Trek has the edge. Trek seems to have the technical advantage. Star wars has the force.

i can picture the opening scene.


This is Jean Luc Picard of the USS enterprise hailing unauthorized alien ship. You have entered Federation space, please identify yourself?


Vid screen fizzles then you see the man himself. You hear the familiar scuba gear sound. The movie takes it from there.

I am Decimus Maximus Meridius. Gladiator. Hornblowers only hope is if it not with a sword.

Dude, Crowe got his arse kicked by Eric Watson, a NZ businessman. Watson looks like he wieghs maybe 100 pounds dripping wet, yet still wiped the floor with Crowe. Crowe needed both his bodyguards and Ross Kemp to save him - hardly a tough 'dude can fight'
Eric Watson (http://www.jamd.com/image/g/56050002)
article (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=3004358)
plus if you look at Crowe now in this article, the best way he could win a fight these days is either by sitting on you or threatening to eat you!
No longer a Gladiator but a Glad he ate all (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-515595/The-G-lard-iator-Russell-Crowe-reveals-expanding-paunch.html)

Willow is perfectly capable of doing something about the Horcruxes. She has locator magic.

Damn. Voldemort is truly beaten.:)

Next fight:
The Star Kingdom of Manticore v. The Galactic Empire
My money says the Manticorans curbstomp the Empire, based on the fact that Manticoran warships can fight at ranges upwards of 1 million kilometers, and carry far more firepower than their Imperial counterparts. This overcomes the Empire's numerical superiority.

I don't know about the greater fire power bit. 200 gigatons per shot is hard to beat.

I do agree about the combat ranges, however. The Empire usually engages at closer ranges than will usually be possible against Manitcoran ships. However, I seem to recall that Manticoran ships are vulnerable to fire from directly ahead or behind? If so, a tactical hyperspace jump followed by a broadside down the throat might hurt them. Then again, don't Manitcoran shields rely on gravity manipulation? That might screw up Hyperdrives, I'm not sure.

Ultimately, I think the Empire will take massive losses in ship to ship or ground combat. However, unless Manitcore invented planetary shields since I stopped reading, the Empire can devistate them with hit and run attacks on planetary targets and orbital bombardments. Also, Manticore can't stop the Death Star. Ultimately, they lack the numbers or FTL speed (I think?) to invade the entire Empire, and they'll lose on their own turf as well once the Empire breaks out the super weapons.

Damn. Voldemort is truly beaten.:)



I don't know about the greater fire power bit. 200 gigatons per shot is hard to beat.

I do agree about the combat ranges, however. The Empire usually engages at closer ranges than will usually be possible against Manitcoran ships. However, I seem to recall that Manticoran ships are vulnerable to fire from directly ahead or behind? If so, a tactical hyperspace jump followed by a broadside down the throat might hurt them. Then again, don't Manitcoran shields rely on gravity manipulation? That might screw up Hyperdrives, I'm not sure.

Ultimately, I think the Empire will take massive losses in ship to ship or ground combat. However, unless Manitcore invented planetary shields since I stopped reading, the Empire can devistate them with hit and run attacks on planetary targets and orbital bombardments. Also, Manticore can't stop the Death Star. Ultimately, they lack the numbers or FTL speed (I think?) to invade the entire Empire, and they'll lose on their own turf as well once the Empire breaks out the super weapons.

No, Manticore doesn't have planetary shields. But if it becomes a war of planetary bombardment, the Empire will lose. A single SD with missile pods can lay waste to an entire planet. All Manticore would need to do is send a fleet of SDs to Coruscant, brush aside any Imperial defenders, and reduce the planet to a smoldering ruin.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the Manticorans could figure out a way to destroy the Death Star, especially if they put the Salamander in charge.

No, Manticore doesn't have planetary shields. But if it becomes a war of planetary bombardment, the Empire will lose. A single SD with missile pods can lay waste to an entire planet. All Manticore would need to do is send a fleet of SDs to Coruscant, brush aside any Imperial defenders, and reduce the planet to a smoldering ruin.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the Manticorans could figure out a way to destroy the Death Star, especially if they put the Salamander in charge.

How fast is Manticoran FTL? It does them no good to try the above if it takes them ten years to which Coruscant.

And unless Manticore has fighters that can make the trench run and fire a torpedo capable of flying down that tiny shaft, they'll probably just have to use raw fire power, and I don't think they have enough. And if the Empire can deploy any of its other, superior superweapons (DS 2, Galaxy Gun, World Devestators, Eclipse Class SSD, etc), Manticore is truly in trouble.

I don't understand.



That would be a tough call...I would go with Lenon. He would fight longer since his body hasn't been in the ground as long as Lenins.

I think the commie would win.

Doom Guy vs Masterchief
I'd put my money on Doomguy though, BFG bitches!

Mills Lane
I'll allow it!
Lenin was frozen and put on display though, so it hasn't rotted as much.
He wasn't frozen, he was mummified.

River Tam (Firefly) v. Cameron (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
"Also, I can kill you with my brain."
"Thank you for explaining." *rips River apart*

How fast is Manticoran FTL? It does them no good to try the above if it takes them ten years to which Coruscant.

And unless Manticore has fighters that can make the trench run and fire a torpedo capable of flying down that tiny shaft, they'll probably just have to use raw fire power, and I don't think they have enough. And if the Empire can deploy any of its other, superior superweapons (DS 2, Galaxy Gun, World Devestators, Eclipse Class SSD, etc), Manticore is truly in trouble.

Good point on the FTL. Short of reverse-engineering Imperial hyperdrive, there is no way the Manticorans could effectively wage an offensive war against the Empire. Now, acquiring a hyperdrive wouldn't be difficult (they could easily capture a civilian ship), but reverse-engineering it would take years.

I don't know squat about the other superweapons (all I know is from the movies). But I do know this about Manticoran firepower:

As far as I can remember, sidewalls are pretty essential to ship survival in the Honorverse. Ships are armored, but I can't recall a case where a ship survived a direct hit from a heavy weapon without the benefit of a sidewall.

My impression from the movies was that Star Wars vessels - or at least Star Destroyers and Death Stars - rely on armor for defense, or at least lack shields capable of stopping massive objects. In New Hope, Rebel fighters are able to reach the surface of the Death Star, and destroy surface structures with nothing more than blaster cannons. In Return of the Jedi, a Rebel fighter crashes into a Super Star Destroyer, causing heavy damage. They also lack effective missile defense systems (otherwise the Rebel fighters would have been wiped out). And it seems implausible that they have powerful shields that can block energy weapons, but nothing similar against massive objects - if that were the case, everyone would switch to missiles.

My conclusion is that there is, for all intents and purposes, nothing to stop Manticoran weapons from reaching the armor of any Imperial warship. Given the proven destructive power of Honorverse weaponry (which has a habit of reducing warships to plasma), this means that a Star Destroyer is unlikely to survive being hit by Manticoran weaponry.

Now, let us imagine a hypothetical battle. The Emperor, tiring of the obscenely high casualties his forces are suffering, decides to destroy the Star Kingdom outright. He assembles a massive fleet (one that outnumbers the entire Royal Manticoran Navy by multiple orders of magnitude), and brings the Death Star. At the last minute, he wisely decides not to go, and sends Vader in his place.

The Imperial armada arrives at Manticore, which triggers the dispatch of the Home Fleet to intercept. Vader wisely uses his Star Destroyers to screen the Death Star. However, the Manticorans simply remain outside of Imperial weapons' range, and proceed to slaughter the Star Destroyers.

Now, the battle is between the Death Star itself and the Manticoran Home Fleet. The Manticorans proceed to open fire on the Death Star itself. Their weapons lay waste to the surface of the Death Star, but they still have a long way to go.

At this point, Admiral Lady Dame Honor Harrington, Steadholder and Duchess Harrington, commander of the Home Fleet, having reviewed their scans of the Death Star, decides on a different solution. She brings a graser-equipped SD to bear on one of the shafts that links the surface with the core, and blasts straight through it. A final missile barrage destroys the Death Star's reactor.

At this point, the Emperor will probably sue for peace.

Good point on the FTL. Short of reverse-engineering Imperial hyperdrive, there is no way the Manticorans could effectively wage an offensive war against the Empire. Now, acquiring a hyperdrive wouldn't be difficult (they could easily capture a civilian ship), but reverse-engineering it would take years.

That's what I thought.

I don't know squat about the other superweapons (all I know is from the movies). But I do know this about Manticoran firepower:

The Galaxy Gun fires hyperspace missiles. The World Devistators rip planets apart and "feed" on them to produce more military equipment (giant harvesters/factories turned on enemy planets). The Eclipse Class is a Super Star Destroyer with a weaker version of the Death Star super laser.

As far as I can remember, sidewalls are pretty essential to ship survival in the Honorverse. Ships are armored, but I can't recall a case where a ship survived a direct hit from a heavy weapon without the benefit of a sidewall.

They might survive, but they'll definitely take major damage. I hate to think what a Star Destroyer broadside would do against an unshielded Manticoran hull.

Also, I don't think the side walls would do much against a Superlaser. Even the side walls have failed against sufficient fire power. The question is weather the superlaser could target a relatively small war ship at the ranges the Manticorans fight at, especially with all the jamming and evasive manuvering.

My impression from the movies was that Star Wars vessels - or at least Star Destroyers and Death Stars - rely on armor for defense, or at least lack shields capable of stopping massive objects.

A fairly common misconception, I believe. Its immediately disproved by the Star Wars EU (especially the incident where three imperial Star Destroyers accidentally collide with the Executor and are anhiallated by its shields. I think its in one of the comics, but I've never read it), but its also disproved by the movies if you pay close attention to the battle scenes.

In New Hope, Rebel fighters are able to reach the surface of the Death Star, and destroy surface structures with nothing more than blaster cannons.

Well we've seen Star Wars shields that function differently against different types of objects before. For example, the Gungan shield in Episode 1, which stopped the Trade Federation droid's blaster fire, but failed to stop the droids walking right through. Then their's the exhaust port shield which apparently stopped blaster fire but not photon torpedos. I'd have to watch the scene again, but I think the X-wings "accelerated to attack speed" after approaching the Death Star. This suggests that they slowed down as they approached, possibly to pass through the shield (again, like the Gungan shield, which stopped blaster bolts but not the solid, slower-moving droids). At any rate, Star Destroyer shields can apparently survive fighter impacts (the Battle of Endor), and their is the example of the ISD collision as well. If this is a vulnerability, it probably applies only to slower-moving objects, or to the Death Star but not the Star Destroyers. Of course, it would seem rather illogical that the Empire would put inferior shields on its most powerful weapon.

However, I'll concede that I can't prove that the Death Star has effective shielding across its entire surface. I think it most probable that it does, I just can't quote from memory a source which proves it beyond any doubt.

Though to be honest, its possible Tarkin never even raised shields. He was very confident, and really a few fighters shouldn't have been a great threat. He never launched fighters in response (Vader was the only one to launch fighters). Its not unheard-of for ships to have shields down when they should be up (having shields down while flying through an asteroid field). This, however, is simply speculation.

In Return of the Jedi, a Rebel fighter crashes into a Super Star Destroyer, causing heavy damage.

Right after an imperial officer says that the shields are down. Their are other shots where a fighter crashes into a ship and leaves no visible damage.

Also, in The Empire Strikes Back, when the Falcon turns to "attack" the pursuing Star Destroyer, one of the officers orders shields up.

They also lack effective missile defense systems (otherwise the Rebel fighters would have been wiped out). And it seems implausible that they have powerful shields that can block energy weapons, but nothing similar against massive objects - if that were the case, everyone would switch to missiles.

They obviously had some guns capable of targeting small, fast craft, since they hit the Falcon on numerous occasions. Their are also dedicated imperial anti-starfighter vessels in the books (like the Lancer Frigate). However, those were apparently absent at Endor, so the Empire would have been relying on their starfighters for taking out the Rebel's fighters.

As for the shields, that has already been addressed.

My conclusion is that there is, for all intents and purposes, nothing to stop Manticoran weapons from reaching the armor of any Imperial warship. Given the proven destructive power of Honorverse weaponry (which has a habit of reducing warships to plasma), this means that a Star Destroyer is unlikely to survive being hit by Manticoran weaponry.

Well, the weapons would hit the shields, and if they could stop an impacting fighter, they can probably stop the missiles. I'm not sure how effective they'd be against the lasers though, for reasons I'll explain later.

Now, they could probably engage from outside a Star Destroyer's effective range unless their targeting was thrown off by Imperial jamming, and its possible they would batter the shields down given enough time (I don't know how powerful they are relative to a Star Destroyer's guns, which officially can reduce a planet's crust to molten slag). However, its possible they'd lack the firepower to bring down a Star Destroyer's shields, or that jamming would interfere with their targeting.

Now, let us imagine a hypothetical battle. The Emperor, tiring of the obscenely high casualties his forces are suffering, decides to destroy the Star Kingdom outright. He assembles a massive fleet (one that outnumbers the entire Royal Manticoran Navy by multiple orders of magnitude), and brings the Death Star. At the last minute, he wisely decides not to go, and sends Vader in his place

How about someone who can maybe actually compete with Harrington as a tactician? Let's make it Grand Admiral Thrawn (yeah, I know Vader's more well-known from having been in the films).

One problem the Empire has is that a lot of its officers don't seem to be particularily competent tacticians. Thrawn and the other Grand Admirals are supposed to be the best of the best in this respect, so against Honor Harrington its only seems fair to use them.

The Imperial armada arrives at Manticore, which triggers the dispatch of the Home Fleet to intercept. Vader wisely uses his Star Destroyers to screen the Death Star. However, the Manticorans simply remain outside of Imperial weapons' range, and proceed to slaughter the Star Destroyers.

How many ships are in the Home Fleet? Also, what's to stop the Empire from dropping out of Hyperspace right over Manticore?

Now, the battle is between the Death Star itself and the Manticoran Home Fleet. The Manticorans proceed to open fire on the Death Star itself. Their weapons lay waste to the surface of the Death Star, but they still have a long way to go.

Possibly they could get through the shields (presuming they are, in fact, present and on-line). If the shield fails against slow-moving solid objects, the missiles might get through, though I doubt it. As for lasers, they're basically beams of light, and light can obviously pass through Star Wars shields. I don't know enough about the tech to answer for sure either way.

However, their's still the screening force to deal with.

At this point, Admiral Lady Dame Honor Harrington, Steadholder and Duchess Harrington, commander of the Home Fleet, having reviewed their scans of the Death Star, decides on a different solution. She brings a graser-equipped SD to bear on one of the shafts that links the surface with the core, and blasts straight through it. A final missile barrage destroys the Death Star's reactor.

First, would she have the technical data on the Death Star? Second, would Vader detect her plan through the Force? Regardless, I don't think it would work.

Here's how I see it going:

Harrington never goes through with the plan, either because she is unaware of the shaft's location, or because she knows that the Manticoran's earlier barrages will not have penetrated the shields, meaning that the surface guns of the Death Star, optimized to counter a capital ship attack, would obliterate her in seconds. Most likely she orders long range concentrated fire to bring down a section of the shields over the superlaser dish and try to damage the superlaser. However, the screening ISDs and the Death Star's shields resist the attack, and the Death Star came out of Hyperspace right over Manticore, so their's no time anyway. Harrington watches in horror as Manticore is blown apart.

At this point, the Emperor will probably sue for peace.

I doubt it. I would love to hear the Emperor confront Harrington.

"Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Dark Side.":D

*snip*

OK, I'm going to call this one in favor of the Empire - with the caveat that Honor escapes with a handful of Manticoran warships, using EW to confuse the Imperials. The Manticoran survivors eventually join up with the Rebel Alliance. Hilarity ensues at Endor when the Stormtroopers are wiped out by Rebels with pulsers.

And a meeting between Honor and the Emperor would be interesting, though I think it would go something like this:

"Your feeble powers are no match for my AAH VADER GET THIS THING OFF OF ME!"