NationStates Jolt Archive

So, is anyone else here a fan of motorsports? I happen to like Nextel Cup racing and Go-Karts racing. Now before I get 1,000 posts about how Nextel Cup Racing isn't a real sport because they're just driving in circles. It's not so much about the driving for me as it is about how each team has their car set up, and how well that set up does in the race.

Different weather, and different track condition requires different set ups, different tire pressures, spring etc. Also, the lay of the track also affects the way a team may set up the car. Daytona requires a different set up than say...Martinsville or Bristol.

Also, I'd like to see one of you guys take a race car that 875 horsepower and try to fight your way to the front of the pack, without wrecking anyone, and using drafting to get your way to the front.

No, I never raced, I tried Go-Kart racing one time, that was a complete disaster. However my older brother was a Go-Kart driver (won Virginia Championship two years in a row), and later drove 4 cylinders limited, and I worked in his crew, so I know what kind of work goes into these cars/kart.

I like Go-Kart racing because well, my brother was a Go-Kart driver, and we spent every weekend at different dirt tracks (we'd only race on pavement if it was a Championship race) across the state. Ahh good times.

Now it's your turn to discuss your favorite motor sports!

Not really a fan.. I havn't quite caught on to whats so thrilling about watching a bunch of people drive in circles.

F1 - good
WRC (or any rallying, really) - good
Touring cars (DTM especially) - good
IRL/CART (or whatever they're calling the merged series) - acceptable
NASCAR - bad

That's pretty much my thoughts on motor sport.

Also, bike racing - good, bike road racing - awesome.

NASCAR - bad.

Why is NASCAR bad?

The only problem I have with NASCAR is that they now have these yellow flags (even when there was no wrecks) to bunch up the packs, to make a more competitive (and exciting) race.

Formula One yes, British Touring Cars, yes, motorbikes (of any series) I'll watch if I catch it when its on but won't particularly look out for it. Anything else, I might watch it if there's nothing else on, but otherwise not very interested. Rallying coverage on TV is pretty poor, used to like that but don't bother with it now.

American series...not so much. I don't find oval racing faintly interesting, to be truthful. I can see how its good for people in the stands watching...they can see the whole track, chance of high speed dramatic-looking shunts, but on a TV screen it just doesn't hold my interest.

Why is NASCAR bad?

Because I say so.

Watching a pack of saloon cars going round in a circle for a few hours, and getting slowed up by a yellow every now and then to keep the racing artificially close, with the occasional crash isn't for me.

Edit: also, everything you post as being a plus for NASCAR apply to every single other form of motor sport.

American series...not so much. I don't find oval racing faintly interesting, to be truthful. I can see how its good for people in the stands watching...they can see the whole track, chance of high speed dramatic-looking shunts, but on a TV screen it just doesn't hold my interest.

Yea, you got a good point there, I love watching the race in person when it comes to Lowes Motor Speedway. However, on TV I only watch the beginning and the last 10 laps.

The final bullet to NASCAR was the the Car of Tomorrow.

Oh yeah, and I'm not a major fan of single make series in general.

The final bullet to NASCAR was the the Car of Tomorrow.

I dunno, I actually kinda like CoT, at least they've stop pretending it's Stock Car racing now.

Also, I'd like to see one of you guys take a race car that 875 horsepower and try to fight your way to the front of the pack, without wrecking anyone, and using drafting to get your way to the front.


Why? I thought the attraction was watching people who're good at it.

I enjoy F1, WRC, A1 GP and a few others. Hate NASCAR.

Not a fan of any car racing. Inordinatly boring. I'm sure it takes great skill, etc...but really, it's worse than baseball. And coming from me, that says alot.

Watching:

NASCAR- Bad.
Le Mans 24 Hour Racing- Great.
Rally Racing- Great.
Baja 1000 (And the like)- Awesome.
F1- Solid.
Superbike- Great.

Ones I Want To Participate In:

Superbike.
Le Mans 24 Hour Race.
Baja 1000.

I never understood people who feel compelled to come into a thread just to say how much they aren't into the thread's topic. Wouldn't you just move onto a thread you are into? But then, I've never understood internet pissantary in the first place.


That being said, I'm third generation racer, though my grandfather is the only one who did it for money, so not really but kinda.

I raced quarter midgets and then sprint and enduro karts (road racing, both short and full size tracks, no dirt track in karts)

IF I have to watch ovals I prefer them to be sprint cars. Explosive acceleration, full pitch through the turns steering with your right foot next to 20 other yay-hoos in powerful open wheel cars. The only drag, and this is true of all oval racing, is the full course caution. Like American football, it's 90-seconds of heart pumping action and then five minutes of toe-picking bordem waiting for the to collect the pieces of the car that didn't make it. This is why I scoff at people who think racing fans are in it for the crashes-any racing fan will tell you that the crashes fuck up the racing action.

My preferred form of racing is endurance sports cars. Innovative and varied machinery on long courses slogging it out for as long as 24 hours ranging from cars that are little more than stripped out street cars to purpose built prototypes. This year at Le Mans there will be diesel powered cars (which have dominated the last few 24 hours of Le Mans), ethanol powered cars, Audis, Peugots, Porsches, BMWs (I think, I know they're coming), Ferraris, Aston Martins, Lamborghinis, Panozs, Corvettes, Vipers, soon a hybrid powered car. It's also two to four races at once, depending on the series, as two levels of prototypes and two different 'gt' production based cars compete in ALMS or Grand Am with prototypes and GT cars at the same time. I love it.

Any kind of touring or GT racing will do, even if its a 'sprint' race only lasting 40 minutes to three hours.

I like rally in principle, it's everything that endurance sports cars are, but across crazy no way logging roads for a week, so kinda more so. However, as a spectator sport it kind of lacks because you get no sense of the competition, so that part is relegated to looking at result sheets and watching it sort of becomes a stunt show. It's impressive to see them fly off mounds or fling around roads mortals shouldn't 'fling,' but I'm not watching racing at that point, I'm watching demonstration. Which is too bad, because it's about the baddest no bullshit take no prisoners racing there is.

Desert racing, same thing.

I'm not as big a fan of NASCAR and oval racing, but in NASCAR's defense, I will say that yellows or not (I haven't seen any 'bunching' yellows, but then I hardly ever watch a whole season), it's the closest racing out there, and for sport that's about the best thing you can say. Lead changes are common and it's also common to get several different winners throughout the season. You can have the finest machines on the planet with the best drivers you can find, but if they stay single file the entire race only swapping places during the one pit stop, that's not very dynamic racing. (I'm looking at you, Formula One)

Having taken my dig a F1, that has gotten better. It's the top tier, so I'll watch it if I can stay awake that late (living in the US it's always on in crazy times).

The only one I don't like and won't defend is drag racing. Four to ten seconds isn't a race, cars have steering wheels for a reason.

I'm not as big a fan of NASCAR and oval racing, but in NASCAR's defense, I will say that yellows or not (I haven't seen any 'bunching' yellows, but then I hardly ever watch a whole season), it's the closest racing out there, and for sport that's about the best thing you can say. Lead changes are common and it's also common to get several different winners throughout the season. You can have the finest machines on the planet with the best drivers you can find, but if they stay single file the entire race only swapping places during the one pit stop, that's not very dynamic racing. (I'm looking at you, Formula One)

Having taken my dig a F1, that has gotten better. It's the top tier, so I'll watch it if I can stay awake that late (living in the US it's always on in crazy times).

In 2007, which was a quiet season in comparison to the one just finished (world championship seemingly going to a Brazilian in a Ferrari at the Brazilian GP, only for a young Brit in a British car to pull off an overtaking move on the last corner of the last race and steal the title, becoming the youngest in history in the process) there were an average of 16 overtaking moves per race. That might not sound a lot, but that doesn't include position changes in the pits, or from retirement, or on the first lap, or when the overtake was reversed on the same lap.

Also bear in mind that, yes, there are some momentously dull races; Monaco for all the hype is usually a bore, as is the Hungarian GP, so the real figure for each race would be higher (would take the average number up to 18).

The statistic for last season would be even higher than that, and for 2009 they're massively reducing the reliance on aerodynamic grip, and going for more mechanical grip which should make it easier to pass. F1's major problem is that the brakes are too good; these days there are few corners where the braking zone is long enough to put a move on someone. Then again, I suppose that just means that when someone does pass, it's much more of an accomplishment. Partly for this reason, and with fuel stops, F1 has become a very tactical sport, but there is still plenty of overtaking to be had.

In comparison to NASCAR the number is miniscule, but it would be interesting to see what the statistic would be if you applied the same criteria (not counting position changes in the pits, or from retirement, or on the first lap, or when the overtake was reversed on the same lap).

As for different winners in a season, 2005 had 5 different winners from 19 races, '06 had 5 from 18 '07 had 4 from 17, and last season had 6 from 18. Hell, even in 2004, one of the most crushingly boring seasons in the history of all motor sport there were 5 winners from 18 races. 2003 had 7 from 16 races. It's clearly moving in the right direction, and I am confident it will continue to do so.

The only exposure to motorsports that I had was that I volunteered at X-Games VIII in Philly, and was security standing right next to Sal Masekela while he was being filmed during the Moto X jump finals. It was fantastic.

In 2007, which was a quiet season in comparison to the one just finished (world championship seemingly going to a Brazilian in a Ferrari at the Brazilian GP, only for a young Brit in a British car to pull off an overtaking move on the last corner of the last race and steal the title, becoming the youngest in history in the process) there were an average of 16 overtaking moves per race. That might not sound a lot, but that doesn't include position changes in the pits, or from retirement, or on the first lap, or when the overtake was reversed on the same lap.

Also bear in mind that, yes, there are some momentously dull races; Monaco for all the hype is usually a bore, as is the Hungarian GP, so the real figure for each race would be higher (would take the average number up to 18).

The statistic for last season would be even higher than that, and for 2009 they're massively reducing the reliance on aerodynamic grip, and going for more mechanical grip which should make it easier to pass. F1's major problem is that the brakes are too good; these days there are few corners where the braking zone is long enough to put a move on someone. Then again, I suppose that just means that when someone does pass, it's much more of an accomplishment.

In comparison to NASCAR the number is miniscule, but it would be interesting to see what the statistic would be if you applied the same criteria (not counting position changes in the pits, or from retirement, or on the first lap, or when the overtake was reversed on the same lap).

As for different winners in a season, 2005 had 5 different winners from 19 races, '06 had 5 from 18 '07 had 4 from 17, and last season had 6 from 18. Hell, even in 2004, one of the most crushingly boring seasons in the history of all motor sport there were 5 winners from 18 races. 2003 had 7 from 16 races. It's clearly moving in the right direction, and I am confident it will continue to do so.

I said it got better, what do you want from me?

It'd be nearly impossible for it to match the overtaking in NASCAR, those guys run three and four abreast for three to five hours at a time.

EDIT: And that season ending was epic, one of the best ever.

Last year in NASCAR was fairly monotonous. With the COT, you basically had two, maybe three, teams that figured out how to set up their cars. These teams were the three and four car teams that had the finances to try different setups and exhaustive wind tunnel testing. Because of so many new chassis and motion restrictions, most of the teams ended up resorting to a coil bind setup and used bump stops and tire pressure as a major mode of chassis adjustment. Teams were experiencing huge swings in chassis feel by influencing tire pressures by even an eight of a pound.

Furthermore, the switch to the COT may well have been costlier than not implementing it, at least in the short run, as it seems that teams have been spending millions of dollars finding every little thing they can do to positively affect the performance of their cars - somewhat notably, the thin magnetic plates attached to the bottom of Gibbs Racing test cars in order to not have their engine power restricted.

However, I still love the sport. And most other racing events. Although NASCAR drivers cannot manuever the infamous bends at Indy at an electrifying 220 mph, the skill that it takes for them to drive a vehicle that heavy on the edge of wrecking, inches from at least one other driver doing the same, is enormous. On the other hand, of course, open wheel racers are the only people on the planet that can drive their cars the way they do as fast as they do on the courses they do. Then, of course, there are the endurance drivers. To ask a driver to be on his game for 80 laps is tough, but to drive to near perfection without harming the car for hours on end and to be able to do this after sitting out for hours is incredible.

However, I rarely find F1 or Endurance races on the Speed Channel, and the only IRL race that I'm ever interested in is on one year (I have become uninterested in the Palm Beach GP ever since the split). Since I can watch NASCAR races each week, it is easy to find, and I know a guy that gives a flying fuck about it and I can talk about it with, it is thus my "favorite." :tongue:

Sidenote: I hope to be in attendance at the California races this year... weather allowing.

However, I rarely find F1 or Endurance races on the Speed Channel, and the only IRL race that I'm ever interested in is on one year (I have become uninterested in the Palm Beach GP ever since the split). Since I can watch NASCAR races each week, it is easy to find, and I know a guy that gives a flying fuck about it and I can talk about it with, it is thus my "favorite." :tongue:

Sidenote: I hope to be in attendance at the California races this year... weather allowing.
The F1 series run live, which means middle of the night every two weeks once the season starts. The 24 Hours of Daytona will be on on the 24th of January, though they'll break up the coverage (they'll go all day with the %(*^&#)($(%*^ Barrett-Jackson Auctions, but break up a twenty-four hour race...bastards). There are only 12 ALMS races a year, not counting Le Mans.

But I have to agree that NASCAR is easier to find because it's always on and SPEED is too much the all NASCAR channel (really? Do you really need that many 'talk' shows about NASCAR with the same four or five hosts? It's one race a week, goddammit. THERE'S OTHER RACING!!! Why can't we fill some of that time with DTM, or Australian V8s? Or FIA GT?)

Damn I wish I could get MotorsTV.

Anyway, CART and Indy have remerged. So we don't have to pretend that the US can support two open wheeled series anymore. Now I can follow IRL because it will have more road courses in it.

I never understood people who feel compelled to come into a thread just to say how much they aren't into the thread's topic. Wouldn't you just move onto a thread you are into? But then, I've never understood internet pissantary in the first place.

In fairness, the question does ask if they like it.

I'm not a huge fan of motor sports on television - it's really not covered very well. It's a different matter when you're actually there, though, when you get the full sights, sounds and, importantly, smell. I've never been to any of the big events live, but I have seen a lot of the more minor series or one off races which tend to feature a wide variety of cars (much better) and are a lot cheaper to get tickets to.

I'd also agree with some of the comments above when I say I simply do not understand the appeal of oval racing. I went to a race once and it was one of the dullest things I've ever seen.

On another side note, there's nothing quite like hearing 43 cars, each producing upwards of 800 horsepower with highly regulated OHV V-8s, fire simulaneously, and the resulting smell of burning race gas that wafts into your nose as they pass by one by one.

i kind of like the idea of robot soccer, and don't understand for the life of me why it isn't the international sport everywhere.

those solar vehicle endurance runs are great too. media is totally backward headed to not give them more coverage and publicity.

Formula One's great, and I was hoping to go to the Canadian Grand Prix this year. Timed perfectly with my holidays and everything. Then the ba$*%£"s cancelled it.:mad:

Prefer the Goodwood Festival of speed

i prefer riding through forests and gardens on silent, clean alternative powered, very narrow gauge railways.

Formula One's great, and I was hoping to go to the Canadian Grand Prix this year. Timed perfectly with my holidays and everything. Then the ba$*%£"s cancelled it.:mad:

What? When? Did I miss this? I must have, what did they replace it with?

The Canadian track was great although I must say that change they made near the pit exit did drop the standard of the track.

Saying that I like F1, WRC and I will occasionally watch the Australian supercars (similar to the British touring cars)

So, is anyone else here a fan of motorsports?

Also, I'd like to see one of you guys take a race car that 875 horsepower and try to fight your way to the front of the pack, without wrecking anyone, and using drafting to get your way to the front.


Now it's your turn to discuss your favorite motor sports!
NASCAR is great! Makes me think back to the days in my teens when we had the '66 Charger with a 426 HEMI. That was a race car. And we were lucky not to have killed ourselves.

So, is anyone else here a fan of motorsports? I happen to like Nextel Cup racing and Go-Karts racing. Now before I get 1,000 posts about how Nextel Cup Racing isn't a real sport because they're just driving in circles. It's not so much about the driving for me as it is about how each team has their car set up, and how well that set up does in the race.

Different weather, and different track condition requires different set ups, different tire pressures, spring etc. Also, the lay of the track also affects the way a team may set up the car. Daytona requires a different set up than say...Martinsville or Bristol.

Also, I'd like to see one of you guys take a race car that 875 horsepower and try to fight your way to the front of the pack, without wrecking anyone, and using drafting to get your way to the front.

No, I never raced, I tried Go-Kart racing one time, that was a complete disaster. However my older brother was a Go-Kart driver (won Virginia Championship two years in a row), and later drove 4 cylinders limited, and I worked in his crew, so I know what kind of work goes into these cars/kart.

I like Go-Kart racing because well, my brother was a Go-Kart driver, and we spent every weekend at different dirt tracks (we'd only race on pavement if it was a Championship race) across the state. Ahh good times.

Now it's your turn to discuss your favorite motor sports!

Formula 1 and MotoGP are my two most favoritest motor sports ever. I appreciate all types of racing, but honestly i just can't stand Nextel cup. They're moving too close to a spec sport, to me that isn't racing. Racing is about being able to drive the car to the limit, and have the crew thinking and creating new technology. And the fact that it came from actual STOCK cars to "the car of tomorrow" or whatever that thing is, bleh. F1 is making that move too, they're taking the essence out of the sport; but I think the FIA will get their shit together...

I mean I can see how they think it will bring the racers in a tighter pack and make the racing more interesting, but there has to be a better way than limiting innovation.

I've been involved in SCCA racing for 5 years now, mostly car preparation and transportation. I have my license to race and I ran a couple races, but at 23 years old I just don't have the money to be racing for a full season. It's ridiculous how much a weekend costs to do it right and be competitive. Motorcycles I may be able to handle, they're a lot cheaper to run, but I need some damn good insurance first.:p

So, is anyone else here a fan of motorsports? I happen to like Nextel Cup racing and Go-Karts racing. Now before I get 1,000 posts about how Nextel Cup Racing isn't a real sport because they're just driving in circles. It's not so much about the driving for me as it is about how each team has their car set up, and how well that set up does in the race.

Different weather, and different track condition requires different set ups, different tire pressures, spring etc. Also, the lay of the track also affects the way a team may set up the car. Daytona requires a different set up than say...Martinsville or Bristol.

Also, I'd like to see one of you guys take a race car that 875 horsepower and try to fight your way to the front of the pack, without wrecking anyone, and using drafting to get your way to the front.

No, I never raced, I tried Go-Kart racing one time, that was a complete disaster. However my older brother was a Go-Kart driver (won Virginia Championship two years in a row), and later drove 4 cylinders limited, and I worked in his crew, so I know what kind of work goes into these cars/kart.

I like Go-Kart racing because well, my brother was a Go-Kart driver, and we spent every weekend at different dirt tracks (we'd only race on pavement if it was a Championship race) across the state. Ahh good times.

Now it's your turn to discuss your favorite motor sports!

I'll watch almost any motorized racing if I stumble upon it on TV, but the only race I make a concerted effort to watch is the Daytona 500, as it's usually at my older sister's, and my uncle and cousin are usually there too. Five of us root for Jr, my older sister likes Jeff Gordon, my oldest niece likes another driver (I think either Casey Kahne or Carl Edwards), and my nephew likes Tony Stewart.

What I've competed in is R/C racing, including outdoor dirt oval, indoor carpet oval, and indoor carpet roadcourse. I dislike pan cars (can't set them up to save my life), love touring cars (my first wins came from this class), and love my RS4MT (the organizer had me run it in the truck class, against all the 2WD stadium trucks :D ). My best race was a 250 lap figure 8 race, which I won by 6 laps. The reasons I won was I had 4WD while everyone else had 2WD, and I had 1 less battery change than the person that came in second.

I'd also agree with some of the comments above when I say I simply do not understand the appeal of oval racing. I went to a race once and it was one of the dullest things I've ever seen.

Same here. I understand it takes a great deal of skill, and I'm sure it's fun to do but, like golf, I can't think of it as a spectator sport.

I quite like it as long as it doesn't involve ovals - still I suppose with the primitive suspension and inability to corner of most American cars they would not be able to cope with a proper circuit.

I quite like it as long as it doesn't involve ovals - still I suppose with the primitive suspension and inability to corner of most American cars they would not be able to cope with a proper circuit.

There are 2 Sprint Cup road course races on the schedule, at Watkin's Glen and Infineon Raceway. I think the reason there aren't more road course races is because of money. There are large gaps in the track, where there's no seating. Nascar makes their money by putting bodies in seats, so road course races don't make them as much money.

There are 2 Sprint Cup road course races on the schedule, at Watkin's Glen and Infineon Raceway. I think the reason there aren't more road course races is because of money. There are large gaps in the track, where there's no seating. Nascar makes their money by putting bodies in seats, so road course races don't make them as much money.

You ever notice how they hire other drivers for the road courses? That always made me lol.

Formula 1, Rally driving and Speedway - awesome. Esp. Ice Speedway.
Nascar and the Le Mans 24 - lame.

What? When? Did I miss this? I must have, what did they replace it with?

The Canadian track was great although I must say that change they made near the pit exit did drop the standard of the track.

Saying that I like F1, WRC and I will occasionally watch the Australian supercars (similar to the British touring cars)

I don't think they've replaced it with anything, having a mid-season break instead so that the teams can have some more time with their families. Damn it that's what the off seasons for!:mad:

My favorite race is Bristol, 43 cars on a half a mile track. Fun stuff

BTW, THIS is Bristol.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/tennessee/bristol_speedway1.jpg

I don't think they've replaced it with anything, having a mid-season break instead so that the teams can have some more time with their families. Damn it that's what the off seasons for!:mad:

You think the drivers would get much time at home? The teams will use it for testing.

Watching a Ferrari have to play tortoise and the hare with a Corvette right now at the SCCA Runoffs broadcast on SPEED is pretty entertaining.

EDIT: And it worked.

You ever notice how they hire other drivers for the road courses? That always made me lol.

Uhh...what?

Uhh...what?
NASCAR teams often hire 'road race experts' to fill out their teams when they run at Infenion or Watkin's Glen like Boris Said or at least once in the past Scott Pruett. In addition to that sometimes instructors from those circuits will get a temporary ride.

But this isn't as much a 'pinch hitter' thing as presented, since the 'A' list drivers are not replaced and are in the end more often the winner (Jeff Gordon does particularly well at Infenion, having spent his childhood in Vallejo and some time like most professional drivers in Karts.)

It's mostly just teams taking an extra car and trying to put it further up the money.

NASCAR teams often hire 'road race experts' to fill out their teams when they run at Infenion or Watkin's Glen like Boris Said or at least once in the past Scott Pruett. In addition to that sometimes instructors from those circuits will get a temporary ride.
Sure, sure. I know all that. But One Eyed Weasel made it sound like it was a large-scale phenomenon. The drivers that are actually competitive in the points standings don't ever get replaced--it'd be suicide.

In other words, this:
But this isn't as much a 'pinch hitter' thing as presented, since the 'A' list drivers are not replaced and are in the end more often the winner

Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona is underway, 23:30 to go! Porsche in its proper place up front in GT and Daytona Prototype.

Fuck I love endurance racing.

Because I say so.

Watching a pack of saloon cars going round in a circle for a few hours, and getting slowed up by a yellow every now and then to keep the racing artificially close, with the occasional crash isn't for me.

Edit: also, everything you post as being a plus for NASCAR apply to every single other form of motor sport.


Wrong.

Even some european car show went to the Daytona 500. Former F1 driver mind you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ivcb79xBy8 ( Part 2 is right on related videos )

They love it. So do I. On TV, its pretty boring. However, go stand next to 40 cars hitting 190+ miles an hour, not even a foot away from each other. Trust me, its VERY exciting.

And Easy? Yeah, I'm sure. You go drive a 800 horsepower car 190mph around a oval track 4 inches away from the car next to you, then fight your way to the lead, without wrecking, in a car that is sliding all over the road.

Porsches still lead both classes a bunch of hours into the race. Because Porsche is awesome.

And the GT leading Porsche is The Racers Group! Go NorCal!


You are interested in this...

Porsches still lead both classes a bunch of hours into the race. Because Porsche is awesome.

And the GT leading Porsche is The Racers Group! Go NorCal!


You are interested in this...

How's Audi doing? I can't be bothered to watch TV. :p

You see that nasty crash at road Atlanta Petite Le Mans some months back? I work for the guy that looped it on the downhill and got the brunt of that wreck. He isn't racing much anymore...

Same here. I understand it takes a great deal of skill, and I'm sure it's fun to do but, like golf, I can't think of it as a spectator sport.

I used to think that way, until I decided to try going to a race. I went to one, then started going to more. You really have to be there to understand why people love it. On TV its so boring. And I always considered people who love NASCAR to be beer drinking rednecks. But after one race, I was hooked. If you can ever go watch a race in person. Its MUCH better. Trust me, its a fun time and being 4 feet away from the cars is amazing when they fly down straights at 180+mph.

Not saying you should love it because of what I said, if you can ever view a race. Just give it a chance.

How's Audi doing? I can't be bothered to watch TV. :p

You see that nasty crash at road Atlanta Petite Le Mans some months back? I work for the guy that looped it on the downhill and got the brunt of that wreck. He isn't racing much anymore...

Wrong series, this is Grand Am, not ALMS. It's Daytona Prototypes and GT. After 22 hours there are four DP cars literally dicing it out like it was a sprint on the lead lap. It's Lexus/Riley being chased by a pair of Porsche/Rileys and a Ford/Dallara. They are seriously dicing it up, this is good fucking racing and it's two hours to go in a twenty four hour race, a whole regular race to go! I've lost track of GT because the DP is so intense they're not even showing it.

Two and three are challenging for the lead!!! Damn this is good.