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I was thinking a little about the differences between living in a world where you know what is true and not true, and living in a world where you return to normal.
Like the matrix pill thing, what is real and what isn’t I find this fascinating so here goes.


You go to a dark abandoned warehouse and meet a black man dressed in a leather jacket and dark glasses, you’ve never met him before and you have no weapons to speak of. He opens his hands and has a small pill in each of them.
He says to you
“You have 3 options, take the red pill and you can see the truth in everything, and you shall know what is real and what is false…take the blue pill and you return to your normal everyday working life…or take no pills and run like hell from me, but I warn you I know how to fight”.
What do you do?

I wouldn't go into a dark abandoned warehouse in the first place. That's just a dick move.

All the above.

take both pills and see what happens.(probably overdose and die but hey its original at least)

I wouldn't go into a dark abandoned warehouse in the first place. That's just a dick move.
fair enough, but this is a hypothetical scenario so i'm not actually asking you to do any of these things, only to consider what would happen if you went with one option or another.
All the above.
ah avoiding the dilemma, clever too.

take both pills and see what happens.(probably overdose and die but hey its original at least)

what do you think would happen?

what do you think would happen?

death or I become the "One" by proxy(if I some how survive).

what do you think would happen?

You'd probably catch cancer.

death or I become the "One" by proxy(if I some how survive).

So you'd want to take the red pill and know the truth?

So you'd want to take the red pill and know the truth?

sure and the blue pill at the same time

ah avoiding the dilemma, clever too.

Not clever in the least. I just would wonder what would happen if I consumed both. Would it fire off all my synapsis causing a seizure, or, yes, cancle each other out. I would fight the man because I'd imagine I'd be having one hell of a trip at the moment and wouldn't care if he beat the shit out of me.

You'd probably catch cancer.
it's been a good run all things considered.
sure and the blue pill at the same time
I think what would happen is, you'd see the truth for a brief period and then go back to normal.
why do you have to complicate things?:confused:

You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

I can, though. *takes red pill*

Oh, SHI.......

I think what would happen is, you'd see the truth for a brief period and then go back to normal.
why do you have to complicate things?:confused:

Because life wouldn't be as fun if I didn't?

Not clever in the least. I just would wonder what would happen if I consumed both. Would it fire off all my synapsis causing a seizure, or, yes, cancle each other out. I would fight the man because I'd imagine I'd be having one hell of a trip at the moment and wouldn't care if he beat the shit out of me.

of course it's possible the pills do nothing and the black man is only using the placebo effect to make you think you know the truth.
fighting the guy would make things interesting, and a rather interesting alternative future of the Matrix.

id like to know the truth so i would take the red pill

but it wouldnt make me happier and has a very good chance of making me miserable.

You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

I can, though. *takes red pill*

Oh, SHI.......
lol, what do you see?
Because life wouldn't be as fun if I didn't?
so if you want to have fun, why not pie morpheus instead? (desperately trying to not complicate matters)

id like to know the truth so i would take the red pill

but it wouldnt make me happier and has a very good chance of making me miserable.

Why do you think the truth would make you unhappy?
I mean you could always back the right horse at the races and make a fortune. no?

Why do you think the truth would make you unhappy?
I mean you could always back the right horse at the races and make a fortune. no?
well....

i was just watching tv and my cat came and sat in my lap...."oh my kitty loves me soooo much"

but of course my cat doesnt love me, she just wanted a nice warm lap to sit on...

what if NO ONE loves me? what if everything i think is true is based on a lie? what if i know the truth and the motivations behind everything and it turns out that they are shit?

as they very well may be

it would suck to know that all the good things i think about people and the world were illusions.

In the attitude of silence the soul finds the path in a clearer light, and what is elusive and deceptive resolves itself into crystal clearness. Our life is a long and arduous quest after Truth.


I pride myself on always striving for the truth, for giving up comfort and joy to live by my moral code of staying true to myself, and who I think I am. I believe I have given up much happiness for my quest to gain the Truth. Perhaps that was merely a excuse for me to hide away and not face my greater problems. Who knows, but I do know one thing. My believe in being truthful and real above all other things is the one thing that kept me going through some dark times in my life. I be so tempted to take that red pill and in fact in your poll have chosen to do so. Mainly because I would take the pill before my mind could say no, just to see if what I believe was the truth,that all I have given for it in sweat,tears and pain was worth it. Despite the risk of knowing that is what is the "actual" Truth disagree with what I thought the Truth was. I would come to a shocking conclusion that my life was worthless, everything I fought for, everything that I am,everything that I think made me a better person is a lie. Would actually probably kill me. Not to forget that if I knew the truth about everything, I would crease to wonder about life,"God" or my purpose in life. I would be faced with the stark truth that I probably could not handle. To know what is, mean I could never hope again, never be fool by lies and once I learned the truth, better myself. Instead I see the world and all it naked ambitions and lies for what it is. A cold,harsh cruel world intend on sucking the life out of me with each passing day. So not I would not take that Red Pill on a second thought and proving that the Blue Pill made me forget the encounter in the Warehouse I would take it without thinking about it again(and proving if I already taken the Red Pill I would make a desperate grab at the Blue Pill right after) I would and such ironically broke my vow of Truth no matter what the cost. But perhaps for a better reason then I could understand. Even if I could forget it. Could I live with that in the moment before I take it? Or would I be a broken heap on the warehouse floor? A another soon to be suidical drunk in the gutter way because I could not choose. Do I risk deciding for everlasting truth or just run away(and let the strange man kill me?)


Such a choice Mad Hatters In Jeans is way more complex then anything you could possibly imagine...

Those on the other hand I could always kick him in the balls,grab the pills and sell them on E-Bay for a load of cash! :D

lol, what do you see?

so if you want to have fun, why not pie morpheus instead? (desperately trying to not complicate matters)

because that fun would last only a short time, while messing up morpheus little plan would have provide a much longer (sense of) fun(provided it doesn't kill me but then nothing would really matter any way.)

In the attitude of silence the soul finds the path in a clearer light, and what is elusive and deceptive resolves itself into crystal clearness. Our life is a long and arduous quest after Truth.


I pride myself on always striving for the truth, for giving up comfort and joy to live by my moral code of staying true to myself, and who I think I am. I believe I have given up much happiness for my quest to gain the Truth. Perhaps that was merely a excuse for me to hide away and not face my greater problems. Who knows, but I do know one thing. My believe in being truthful and real above all other things is the one thing that kept me going through some dark times in my life. I be so tempted to take that red pill and in fact in your poll have chosen to do so. Mainly because I would take the pill before my mind could say no, just to see if what I believe was the truth,that all I have given for it in sweat,tears and pain was worth it. Despite the risk of knowing that is what is the "actual" Truth disagree with what I thought the Truth was. I would come to a shocking conclusion that my life was worthless, everything I fought for, everything that I am,everything that I think made me a better person is a lie. Would actually probably kill me. Not to forget that if I knew the truth about everything, I would crease to wonder about life,"God" or my purpose in life. I would be faced with the stark truth that I probably could not handle. To know what is, mean I could never hope again, never be fool by lies and once I learned the truth, better myself. Instead I see the world and all it naked ambitions and lies for what it is. A cold,harsh cruel world intend on sucking the life out of me with each passing day. So not I would not take that Red Pill on a second thought and proving that the Blue Pill made me forget the encounter in the Warehouse I would take it without thinking about it again(and proving if I already taken the Red Pill I would make a desperate grab at the Blue Pill right after) I would and such ironically broke my vow of Truth no matter what the cost. But perhaps for a better reason then I could understand. Even if I could forget it. Could I live with that in the moment before I take it? Or would I be a broken heap on the warehouse floor? A another soon to be suidical drunk in the gutter way because I could not choose. Do I risk deciding for everlasting truth or just run away(and let the strange man kill me?)


Such a choice Mad Hatters In Jeans is way more complex then anything you could possibly imagine...

Those on the other hand I could always kick him in the balls,grab the pills and sell them on E-Bay for a load of cash! :D
aye

it would be like stepping into the total perspective vortex and finding out how completely insignificant you are in the universe (unless you are zaphod beeblebrox?)

aye

it would be like stepping into the total perspective vortex and finding out how completely insignificant you are in the universe (unless you are zaphod beeblebrox?)

O I know how insignificant I am. Sure I can't comperend how insignificant I am. But I know I not very important expect maybe to one or two people. But thats all that would matter to me. I frankly think the truth is just something were not ment to know or understand. The truth is a subjective thing that is always ever changing upon the whim and moral code of men within power and the effort the free people of the world are willing to take to find,keep and preserve the truth. A fight which I fear we are already losing by a vass amount. :(

Those I love how out of Eight people, Seven pick the Red Pill and the last person pick Pie morpheus! :D
What a small insight into the minds of other people hey?

O I know how insignificant I am. Sure I can't comperend how insignificant I am. But I know I not very important expect maybe to one or two people. But thats all that would matter to me. I frankly think the truth is just something were not ment to know or understand. The truth is a subjective thing that is always ever changing upon the whim and moral code of men within power and the effort the free people of the world are willing to take to find,keep and preserve the truth. A fight which I fear we are already losing by a vass amount. :(

Those I love how out of Eight people, Seven pick the Red Pill and the last person pick Pie morpheus! :D
What a small insight into the minds of other people hey?
or you could find out that there IS some underlying principle to the universe and that it makes you far more significant than you could ever imagine.

....

which might not be as bad as it sounds.

In the words of Cypher and later Cryptos (you have to play MxO to know who Cryptos is)

Ignorance is Bliss, bring on the Blue Pill!

In the words of Cypher and later Cryptos (you have to play MxO to know who Cryptos is)

Ignorance is Bliss, bring on the Blue Pill!
problem is, in MxO, if you take the blue pill, it boots you to desktop.

You should take the blau pill. Its like the blue pill, except being German, you're left with a vague sense of unfulfillment, the self-deception eroding you from the inside, leaving you with a clenched smile and a desire to wear black turtle necks.

I'd really need more information to make a decision.

Like, if the mysterious black man turned out to be Harold Perrineau or Taye Diggs, I'd forget the pills and just jump him.

problem is, in MxO, if you take the blue pill, it boots you to desktop.

That it does, but that doesn't stop the people who write the storyline for the game from having an organization who's purpose is to go back to sleep and...basically put every red pill back to sleep. They're called Cypherites.

I used to have a Cypherite character, and then there was the whole revelation that the leader Cryptos was actually overwritten by the machines. They basically installed their own program into Cryptos. So the entire existence of the Cypherite organization was based on a lie.

Now personally, I would've loved it to see Veil (the other leader of the Cypherite) kill Cryptos and took sole leadership. Instead Cryptos became this Dali Llama with guns, and Veil became this homicidal manic...with guns. The organization got boring, so my character went Merovingian.

Didn't help that I was the only Cypherite on my server! >.<

I'd ask him if he's got any more, because I know someone who could easily shift that lot & quite a few more, if he's interested.

I was thinking a little about the differences between living in a world where you know what is true and not true, and living in a world where you return to normal.
Like the matrix pill thing, what is real and what isn’t I find this fascinating so here goes.


You go to a dark abandoned warehouse and meet a black man dressed in a leather jacket and dark glasses, you’ve never met him before and you have no weapons to speak of. He opens his hands and has a small pill in each of them.
He says to you
“You have 3 options, take the red pill and you can see the truth in everything, and you shall know what is real and what is false…take the blue pill and you return to your normal everyday working life…or take no pills and run like hell from me, but I warn you I know how to fight”.
What do you do?

i remember that website from a long long time ago. did somebody just rediscover it?

meh, me no take pills from strangers.

as for knowing what is true and what isn't, does anybody? i mean beyond our instincts or whatever they might happen to be, that subconsciously recognize what is more and less likely to be, most, or at lest some, of the time?

at any rate you don't need to take a pill. just find a rock that has a natural hole in it and look at the world through the hole. these are called elf or ferry stones.

Well I’m back, I was entertaining guests earlier, but now back to responding to some of your points of view…
well....

i was just watching tv and my cat came and sat in my lap...."oh my kitty loves me soooo much"
but of course my cat doesnt love me, she just wanted a nice warm lap to sit on...
what if NO ONE loves me? what if everything i think is true is based on a lie? what if i know the truth and the motivations behind everything and it turns out that they are shit?
as they very well may be
it would suck to know that all the good things i think about people and the world were illusions.
With your cat, it depends on what your definition of love is. Who knows? Maybe your cat might love you
Again if everything you think is based on a lie, that lie was made up for a purpose, once you discover the purpose you could understand it and maybe accept it.

The thing about illusions is, our lives are full of them anyway, e.g. internet might just be 5 people making up every web page ever made and tricking you, or even something more simple. If you put a straw into a glass of water it appears broken from one angle but whole from another angle, it depends on the perspective.
What I’m saying is, once you know what the illusions are they won’t suddenly make your life meaningless, just an awful lot different.

In the attitude of silence the soul finds the path in a clearer light, and what is elusive and deceptive resolves itself into crystal clearness. Our life is a long and arduous quest after Truth.
I pride myself on always striving for the truth, for giving up comfort and joy to live by my moral code of staying true to myself, and who I think I am. I believe I have given up much happiness for my quest to gain the Truth. Perhaps that was merely a excuse for me to hide away and not face my greater problems. Who knows, but I do know one thing. My believe in being truthful and real above all other things is the one thing that kept me going through some dark times in my life. I be so tempted to take that red pill and in fact in your poll have chosen to do so. Mainly because I would take the pill before my mind could say no, just to see if what I believe was the truth, that all I have given for it in sweat, tears and pain was worth it. Despite the risk of knowing that is what is the "actual" Truth disagree with what I thought the Truth was. I would come to a shocking conclusion that my life was worthless, everything I fought for, everything that I am, everything that I think made me a better person is a lie. Would actually probably kill me. Not to forget that if I knew the truth about everything, I would crease to wonder about life,” God" or my purpose in life. I would be faced with the stark truth that I probably could not handle. To know what is, mean I could never hope again, never be fool by lies and once I learned the truth, better myself. Instead I see the world and all it naked ambitions and lies for what it is. A cold, harsh cruel world intend on sucking the life out of me with each passing day. So not I would not take that Red Pill on a second thought and proving that the Blue Pill made me forget the encounter in the Warehouse I would take it without thinking about it again(and proving if I already taken the Red Pill I would make a desperate grab at the Blue Pill right after) I would and such ironically broke my vow of Truth no matter what the cost. But perhaps for a better reason then I could understand. Even if I could forget it. Could I live with that in the moment before I take it? Or would I be a broken heap on the warehouse floor? A another soon to be suidical drunk in the gutter way because I could not choose. Do I risk deciding for everlasting truth or just run away(and let the strange man kill me?)

Such a choice Mad Hatters In Jeans is way more complex then anything you could possibly imagine...

Those on the other hand I could always kick him in the balls,grab the pills and sell them on E-Bay for a load of cash! :D
I agree this choice could be complicated, but as I said before even if everything you believed was not what you thought it was things wouldn’t suddenly combust. Take for example I used to believe in Santa, I now know differently, but I still know that the idea of Santa is nice, I don’t feel violated because so many people told be to believe in him.
Or I used to believe Doctors could diagnose any illness instantly, without difficulty just by looking at you. I now know differently, but I understand and I feel empowered to understand that they are just people trying to do their best.

What difference would it make if everything you used to believe in which kept you going turned out to be false? At those times your belief was enough, what it would mean is you might change your beliefs after taking the red pill. Sure you may have been truthful to a false belief, but the definition of truth is a very liquid thing, it can easily change. But at least you know you were being as truthful under your circumstances, things wouldn’t magically become a horrible lie, it might be upsetting sure, but people cope with false beliefs all the time, sometimes people need to just do their best.

Ah but if you did see all the naked ambitions of people in this world, you already know there are some cruel people, but they have reasons for acting the way they do, people don’t just do cruel acts for the sake of being cruel, they do them because they think it will help their own selves in some way.

What you said about hope, I think you could have more hope with more truth. Sure you would have a lot of power, but you’d see the truth.


because that fun would last only a short time, while messing up morpheus little plan would have provide a much longer (sense of) fun(provided it doesn't kill me but then nothing would really matter any way.)
of course it wouldn’t matter so why not take the blue/red pill?
I'd really need more information to make a decision.

Like, if the mysterious black man turned out to be Harold Perrineau or Taye Diggs, I'd forget the pills and just jump him.
What sort of information do you need?

i remember that website from a long long time ago. did somebody just rediscover it?

meh, me no take pills from strangers.

as for knowing what is true and what isn't, does anybody? i mean beyond our instincts or whatever they might happen to be, that subconsciously recognize what is more and less likely to be, most, or at lest some, of the time?

at any rate you don't need to take a pill. just find a rock that has a natural hole in it and look at the world through the hole. these are called elf or ferry stones.
Well this is another problem with discovering truth, if you thought you knew the truth of everything, is it because you think you know it, or is truth some kind of tangible construct, clear from other things.
I figure truth is more a way of understanding why things happen, in this case you’d know why everything happens. Perhaps this is impossible, even in a hypothetical scenario is truth ever possible?
Perhaps going back to normal might be better.

See I know that there are good arguments for taking either pill, it just depends on how you see each pill.

Oh this again... look Morpheus I will not say this again!

I will not have sex with you! No matter how much you pay me!

Let me get this right. There's a dude, wearing leather, who's managed to get me to go to a dark abandoned warehouse and is offering me pills. And I'm meant to believe that both pills aren't a date rape drug? Kick him in the crotch, run and ring the police.

Let me get this right. There's a dude, wearing leather, who's managed to get me to go to a dark abandoned warehouse and is offering me pills. And I'm meant to believe that both pills aren't a date rape drug? Kick him in the crotch, run and ring the police.

... I love you!

... I love you!

...is a phrase that automatically sets off my voice-activated pepper spray in the direction of whoever just said it :p

...is a phrase that automatically sets off my voice-activated pepper spray in the direction of whoever just said it :p

For all you know I could be a masochist!

For all you know I could be a masochist!

Good point. I'm sure pretty much anyone who posts regularly on NSG must be. I shall have to rethink.

This reminds me of a flash I saw ages ago.
This one to be exact: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/83411

This reminds me of a flash I saw ages ago.
This one to be exact: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/83411

Haha. Thats awesome. Never seen that. I guess it is a fairly obvious reinterpretation of the scenario.

See I know that there are good arguments for taking either pill, it just depends on how you see each pill.

ah yes, but see there are even BETTER arguments for not taking either.

you're there. reality is there.

its a matter of opening your eyes and your instinctive truth sense and not filtering them through assumptions (as practically everyone, even when they're not aware of doing so, tries to convince you to.)

This reminds me of a flash I saw ages ago.
This one to be exact: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/83411
lolzwer
ah yes, but see there are even BETTER arguments for not taking either.

you're there. reality is there.

its a matter of opening your eyes and your instinctive truth sense and not filtering them through assumptions (as practically everyone, even when they're not aware of doing so, tries to convince you to.)
The blue pill option pretty much covers not taking pills.

But what if my instinctive truth is someone else's fantasy?
what if i'm some semi intelligent computer game character and all my thoughts are merely programmed into my head for the enjoyment of others?

Or what if my actions make no difference to anything, what would be the purpose in seeking the truth if i can do nothing about it?

Take for example, people who suffer from hallucinations of some sort of angel. what if maybe i'm the one who's suffering from not being able to see this hallucination? and not the other way around, just because few people have hallucinations doesn't mean that they aren't true.
ahg this is confusing.