NationStates Jolt Archive

We're down to 51,000 nations. I quite well remember us having 80,000 or more.

Perhaps a recruitment drive is in order?

Not dying, just paring away the fat.

Is Nationstates dying?

Yes.

No.






Maybe.

Perhaps.

We're down to 51,000 nations. I quite well remember us having 80,000 or more.

Perhaps a recruitment drive is in order?

Have you browsed other forums?

Quality over quantity, any day.

I blame II

Perhaps a recruitment drive is in order?

I would of thought we would be above that.

I hope not

not yet.

I thought II might bring some people back to I, but I'm beginning to think I was wrong...

Consider that many of us have puppet nations or have existed on NS in other incarnations.

I, myself, had at one time or another, six puppets which I eventually let die because it was just too much trouble to keep track.

You can figure that of the 80,000+ nations, about 10-15% were puppets, another 5-10% were nations who were banned or who let nations die and came back in other incarnations and another 5-10% died natural deaths as players became bored, died themselves or went on to other activities. So, given a minimum of 20% die-off based on the previously stated conditions, I'd say that we're really playing at full strength. The loss is an illusion.

I, myself, had at one time or another, six puppets

why? I've never seen what it does in terms of fun other than make you have much more scary scary commitment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SX3JnUhTaE&feature=related

We're down to 51,000 nations. I quite well remember us having 80,000 or more.

Perhaps a recruitment drive is in order?

So thats what happened to my 29,000 nukes.

No. Its appeal has just become more selective.

I blame II

:rolleyes:

I blame arrogant RPers and Generalites.

:rolleyes:

I blame arrogant RPers and Generalites.

You're in General. Ergo, you are a Generalite. Don't blame yourself. *pats on back*

With all truth, II has less popular appeal than General. This coming from an IIer and a Generalite both.

:rolleyes:

I blame arrogant RPers and Generalites.
I think he meant "Nationstates II", as in the sequel which is drawing people's attention away from the original game, and it's attached forums, with shiny new features in the game and numbers in the title.

I believe that NSG is more active than usual of late, so I'm not really concerned about some thousands of people saving themselves five to ten minutes a day.

Yes.

Not dying, just paring away the fat.

I agree with both.

You're in General. Ergo, you are a Generalite. Don't blame yourself. *pats on back*

With all truth, II has less popular appeal than General. This coming from an IIer and a Generalite both.

Well it definitely wasn't the spammers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SX3JnUhTaE&feature=related

Best Second of my life. :D

Gee, somehow I'm not surprised.

Consider that many of us have puppet nations or have existed on NS in other incarnations.

I, myself, had at one time or another, six puppets which I eventually let die because it was just too much trouble to keep track.

You can figure that of the 80,000+ nations, about 10-15% were puppets, another 5-10% were nations who were banned or who let nations die and came back in other incarnations and another 5-10% died natural deaths as players became bored, died themselves or went on to other activities. So, given a minimum of 20% die-off based on the previously stated conditions, I'd say that we're really playing at full strength. The loss is an illusion.

I'd say the same thing plus NS 2 took some people.

dying? it's fucking dead, mate.

The NSG that exists now is nothing what it used to be about 2 years ago...

depends on the definition you're using of 'life'.

The NSG that exists now is nothing what it used to be about 4 years ago...

If going by year alone, fix'd.

I can't remember the exact date I joined, but it just isn't as fun anymore. And I don't have to ask if you agree, I know you already do. :tongue:

Eh personally I thought II was alittle overdone, too many vairables to keep track of, and no meaningful way to go to war beside 'i NUKE JOO!!!!" "NO YOUZ DIDN'T!"

What did NationStates used to be?

If going by year alone, fix'd.

I can't remember the exact date I joined, but it just isn't as fun anymore. And I don't have to ask if you agree, I know you already do. :tongue:

You know me well.

I think it lost is edge when most of the good people left...or were banned.

What did NationStates used to be?

lots of silly people striving for power over other ones, or arguing at great length over politics/science or another obscure topic. now people have gone through most of that and don't know what to do but chew the fat. lolz

You know me well.

I think it lost is edge when most of the good people left...or were banned.

Peech. She was a doll.

:(

Peech. She was a doll.

:(

what happened to her? I came back and my peech was gone.

I remember before NS was brought onto Jolt servers, man the forums were so clogged up, I'm surprised the server it used to be on didn't crash and burn, and I mean physically burn.

I remember before NS was brought onto Jolt servers, man the forums were so clogged up, I'm surprised the server it used to be on didn't crash and burn, and I mean physically burn.

And we tried to set it on fire so many times...

what happened to her? I came back and my peech was gone.

She moved house, I believe. She came back for a little while of spamliciousness, and then... nothing. :(

I remember before NS was brought onto Jolt servers, man the forums were so clogged up, I'm surprised the server it used to be on didn't crash and burn, and I mean physically burn.

That's the thing - it's easy to be nostalgic about the 'old days' of NS... but the damn thing was offline as often as on.

And we tried to set it on fire so many times...

I remember that good ol' PhpBB forum.

She moved house, I believe. She came back for a little while of spamliciousness, and then... nothing. :(

Sad. A bunch of old regs i miss...WYTYG, Facist Dominion, even good old Drunk Commies Deleted...his threads were always entertaining.

I remember that good ol' PhpBB forum.

I remember it barely i came in right before it was switched to jolt.

I remember it barely i came in right before it was switched to jolt.

Yea, I was Poltergeist back then, I almost didn't become involved in NSG, but luckily they switched over to Jolt.

Yea, I was Poltergeist back then, I almost didn't become involved in NSG, but luckily they switched over to Jolt.

Yeah I didn't post at all until it was on Jolt. I don't remeber the forum ever working before.:tongue:

It can't be dying. After all, we have Nanatsu.

It can't be dying. After all, we have Nanatsu.

that reminds me, whatever happened to Andaras?
i think NSG is getting better from what little i've seen of it it's not bad at all.

It can't be dying. After all, we have Nanatsu.

She is the new bright spot in the possible future of NSG.

I don't think NS is dying, its just that time of year....

I don't think NS is dying, its just that time of year....

NSG never goes out of season, unless if it is dying...

Sad. A bunch of old regs i miss...WYTYG, Facist Dominion, even good old Drunk Commies Deleted...his threads were always entertaining.

Oh my, yes... DCD.

I also miss AP... sort of.

I remember before NS was brought onto Jolt servers, man the forums were so clogged up, I'm surprised the server it used to be on didn't crash and burn, and I mean physically burn.

It was basically a given that it would go at around 10-11 PM PST...

However, downtime > ads?

oh my, yes... Dcd.

I also miss ap... Sort of.

ap?

here's proof that NSG is dying. There are about 400+ views of this thread and only *edit* 50 posts...

ap?

Andaras Prime. I lol'd whenever he'd mention something about the proletariat or socialism.

I miss the good 'ol trolls, the one that don't act like trolls. The less self-aware ones. You know, full of crap but able to take all of the "lol troll11!q" in stride... ish.

Yes.

But I am going to keep playing til Max Barry pulls the plug.

There are still regions to defend.. and invade muahahahahah!!!!!!

Andaras Prime. I lol'd whenever he'd mention something about the proletariat or socialism.


Ah yes, always got a good chuckle out of him.


I miss the good 'ol trolls, the one that don't act like trolls. The less self-aware ones. You know, full of crap but able to take all of the "lol troll11!q" in stride... ish.

Those were the true glory days...and don't forget us spammers. Ruffy, Myself, you and FD are in honorable mention of the elite spammers.

Those were the true glory days...and don't forget us spammers. Ruffy, Myself, you and FD are in honorable mention of the elite spammers.

ME?! Pfft.

I got bored, gave up in early '06, and then rejoined in Nov. '07.

Ifreann wins that award.

ME?! Pfft.

I got bored, gave up in early '06, and then rejoined in Nov. '07.

Ifreann wins that award.


I left in fall '06 due to life, the universe and everything and came back in '08....the difference in this place was staggering.

Do I even have an opinion?

Do I even have an opinion?

do you need to ask us?

do you need to ask us?

Do you even need to be asked?

Well, considering there's only a certain amount of issues that you can play on ns, most people quit after going through most of them. I only log in every ~30 or so just so I can post on nsg.

Honestly, I just lurk here to see who's bitching at who.

Well, considering there's only a certain amount of issues that you can play on ns, most people quit after going through most of them. I only log in every ~30 or so just so I can post on nsg.

I have only posted on general....a true generalite.:D

dying? it's fucking dead, mate.
Hey wait!! I agree with you on something!! :D

Hey wait!! I agree with you on something!! :D


...and that is the death of NSG. :tongue:

Just wait 'til summer again.

when i first joined the community was even cozier, and we could roll play other things besides stupid wars. so i don't think shrikage, if its real, is always such a bad thing. obviously only as long as the size remains nonzero.

This would probably do little, but freeing up reserved nation names so you didn't have to go through like six, before you found one that was original.

This would probably do little, but freeing up reserved nation names so you didn't have to go through like six, before you found one that was original.
Crap, that was happening when I joined up first, five years ago. Nothing much has changed. People need to be more imaginative.

Eutruscan? What ever happened to him? I was here in '06 under a different name, and yeah, times have changed. So have I, so it's fitting.

Wilgrove, however, has remained the same.

I wonder if we could bring back the Beach House...Go on Mods. You know you want to.

NationStates is fine, stop fretting.

I think we are going fine.

I think he meant "Nationstates II", as in the sequel which is drawing people's attention away from the original game, and it's attached forums, with shiny new features in the game and numbers in the title.

If he's talking about NationStates II, then I have no problem. I don't see the appeal behind NS II, and I've been in both places.

I just remember all the bitching about II vs. NS RP'ing from my earlier go-round with NS. Made me sick.

Eutruscan? What ever happened to him? I was here in '06 under a different name, and yeah, times have changed. So have I, so it's fitting.

Wilgrove, however, has remained the same.

I think Eutruscan got banned.

Do I even have an opinion?

I'm sorry but you don't. You haven't filed the appropriate paperwork with one of your wonderful overlords... err... "mods". Once your paperwork is done then you are entitled to your opinion; one that we dictate to you! :D *evil laugh*

I'm sorry but you don't. You haven't filed the appropriate paperwork with one of your wonderful overlords... err... "mods". Once your paperwork is done then you are entitled to your opinion; one that we dictate to you! :D *evil laugh*

Yea the only problem is that you mod take your sweet ass time with the paper work! I'm still waiting for my opinion on Hitler!

Yea the only problem is that you mod take your sweet ass time with the paper work! I'm still waiting for my opinion on Hitler!

Are you calling us tardy? :eek:

I think Eutruscan got banned.

"The Self-actualizing Republic of Eutrusca", widely known in NSG as "The Teflon Troll", was deleted in late 2006 after an extensive history of serial trolling. The player behind "Eutrusca" was never permabanned and returned on several occasions. For whatever reason, he chose not to stick around.

We mods delete a lot of nations, but permanent bans on players are quite rare. Considering that it takes all of 30 seconds to create a new nation and maybe 5 minutes more to validate the email and keep posting, I refuse to concede that aggressive moderation is the reason why numbers are down.

You can figure that of the 80,000+ nations, about 10-15% were puppets ...

NSG readers apparently don't understand the gameplay side of things. I know at least one gameplayer who kept over 1000 puppets alive, but I think he's finally let most of them die. That's 2% of our current base for just the single player.

Players who manage 30-100 puppets are common. Also, in the raider community, it's not at all uncommon to create 5-50 new puppets every week, using them for a few hours or days, then moving on. Of our 2 million+ dead nations, I'd put the number of discarded puppets in the 80% range.

Finally, in the rulebreaker puppetry arena, I can think of at least two Delete-on-Sight players offhand with over 5000 nations deleted each. Seems they think we'll eventually get bored and let them back in. You'd think three years of continuous failures would be a hint, but apparently not.

15%. Pah.

Players who manage 30-100 puppets are common. Also, in the raider community, it's not at all uncommon to create 5-50 new puppets every week, using them for a few hours or days, then moving on. Of our 2 million+ dead nations, I'd put the number of discarded puppets in the 80% range.
Is there much raiding and defending still going on? It was common enough a couple of years ago that my home region occasionally took part in defending and I was a member of their army, but that sort of thing seems to have dropped off entirely in the last few years, to the point I can't remember ever seeing any activity on that front. Admittedly, I've not been going out of my way to actually look, so I could be talking out of my arse on this.

On the puppet front, I've had twelve puppets which are still on my Dossier that I've let die, although I think I've had a handful more than that.

I think of it like this. Nationstates the game has been lying in a coma in a forgotten side ward for several years. NSG is the alternative reality constructed by Nationstates in its dreamlike state. NSG will only die if the life support is switched off.

Not dying, just paring away the fat.

Much more accurate description

Much more accurate description
I dunno. A lot of the "fat" that has been "pared away" has been some good RPers in my home region, as well as friends I've made over NS. It's been sad to see them go, and they've been away long enough for me to assume that they ain't coming back.

I remember that good ol' PhpBB forum.

My old regional forum back in the day had thread strictly designated for complaining about the old forum's instability at...staying online.

My old regional forum back in the day had thread strictly designated for complaining about the old forum's instability at...staying online.

I remember being thrilled when the forum was back up, even if it was a tad sluggish.

I remember being thrilled when the forum was back up, even if it was a tad sluggish.

a tad sluggish? Well only if you consider the sloth or a slug a tad sluggish...

a tad sluggish?

For me it was a taaad sluggish. :tongue:

For me it was a taaad sluggish. :tongue:

If that forum was an animal, a Sloth would've been faster. It would've gone the way of the Do-Do Bird! :p

If it gets down to 100, then start worrying.

I'm sorry but you don't. You haven't filed the appropriate paperwork with one of your wonderful overlords... err... "mods". Once your paperwork is done then you are entitled to your opinion; one that we dictate to you! :D *evil laugh*


I'll give you a pretzel.

I'll give you a pretzel.

*sniffs it* Is it a cinnamon & sugar pretzel?

*sniffs it* Is it a cinnamon & sugar pretzel?



Alas, tis but a plain pretzel.

Not dying, just paring away the fat.

^^^This...

Its just getting down to those who seriously play the game...

i have High hopes for NS2 but, I may run out of 'Jennifers' soon if I keep having to use them just to keep my flag :(

NS is okay. For now...

NS2 is quickly crapping out though. At least world 53 is anyways.

Yea the only problem is that you mod take your sweet ass time with the paper work! I'm still waiting for my opinion on Hitler!

We reached Godwin's law here.

We reached Godwin's law here.

No Scrubs reference yet though...

Ooops, I did it.

No Scrubs reference yet though...

Ooops, I did it.

Aye. That you did.

I don't think NS is dying, its just that time of year....



But come summer, you'll all be saying the membership sit down because of the summer, and not because it's dying. Then it'll be winter again...

Didn't it decline in summer too?

Didn't it decline in summer too?

Exactly.

Exactly.

We're all gonna die!!!!:eek:

Alas, tis but a plain pretzel.

*adds it to the reject pile*

My ship is on fire and I don't know why I'm posting it here?!

My ship is on fire and I don't know why I'm posting it here?!

Because you can't help yourself! You're hopelessly addicted! And sadly, NSG Anonymous only makes the problem worse. :D

Not funny. They put the fire out. It won't get on the news at least, but my laptop smells like burnt mess hall now.

Not funny. They put the fire out. It won't get on the news at least, but my laptop smells like burnt mess hall now.

Somehow I can't picture that. Could you describe in detail? I ask sincerely because I don't know what anything smells like.

I think of it like this. Nationstates the game has been lying in a coma in a forgotten side ward for several years. NSG is the alternative reality constructed by Nationstates in its dreamlike state. NSG will only die if the life support is switched off.

Oh that brought back memories of...damn who's that famous author...ah damn it i forgot, but he made a few books of something about a haunted hospital or something?
I like that idea though, was wierd but cool.

Depends....no?

Maybe NS will become a cult? I can see NS deiding after a decade or so when all fo NS flies to whereever the Jolt Servers is located and have a massive drunken party before burning the servers and being carried away by the Riot Police...

*adds it to the reject pile*


Story of my life.

Dying? Not as long as I am capable of posting.

We're all gonna die!!!!:eek:

quick! everyone get naked and put bags over their heads.....I have a plan.

Is there much raiding and defending still going on? It was common enough a couple of years ago that my home region occasionally took part in defending and I was a member of their army, but that sort of thing seems to have dropped off entirely in the last few years, to the point I can't remember ever seeing any activity on that front. Admittedly, I've not been going out of my way to actually look, so I could be talking out of my arse on this.

On the puppet front, I've had twelve puppets which are still on my Dossier that I've let die, although I think I've had a handful more than that.

I think a good part of the problem with NS is that the raiding/defending is almost dead. There's not much left to do, except maybe spam & chat on Jolt and/or the various offsite regional forums.

Also, NS2 is drawing some people away. The bad thing there is, NS2 isn't really holding people's interest either, at least not until they activate war.

As for puppets, I created a nation specifically to keep track of all my puppets, and most of its dossier has CTEd. I have MANY more ex-nations than living one's. :(

quick! everyone get naked and put bags over their heads.....I have a plan.

I like this plan already!

I like this plan already!

...okay now has anyone heard of the elephant walk?

This thread makes me sad. I've seen it replicated so many times on so many good fora before they died. Every time it's the same. ;_;

We dipped below 50,000 nations today.

my guess would be that nation states will only die, if ever, when and if max pulls the plug, if and when he does. until then it will live for ever. who gives a rat about numbers? i don't.

cozy is intimate. cozy is good.

General cannot die! General is immortal! Or immoral... Or something.

I didn't know that Nationstates was alive.

No... It just needs new recruits. The fact a nation is deleted after 30 days dosn't help either

Last year a thread like this was put up.

IMHO, Nationstates is a little outdated.

It would be nice to have a visualization of the Nationstates-world and it is lacking some useful features like trading, war etc...

But who’s willing to write the code? Till today, no one.

IMHO, Nationstates is a little outdated.

It would be nice to have a visualization of the Nationstates-world and it is lacking some useful features like trading, war etc...

But who’s willing to write the code? Till today, no one.

meh, to me the major deficiency is too many players only wanting to roll play some kind of conflict or competition, which they could do in practically any other kind of game, so why insist on that, and only that, here?

the other which it seems to share with just about anything even close i've been able to find on the net, is an apparent underlying assumption of symbolic value based economics being some kind of gravity well foundation of natural reality, which my observation of anything other then currently existing human societies on planet earth, would seem to reveal as rather absurd.

even the ancient simsoc seems to suffer from this deficiency.

as for its apparent simplisticness/primitiveness, well with my equally primitive access to the net being limited to dial-up, it does make it possible for me to be here.

any kind of graphics gobbles bandwidth, not that i'd mind a few charts and maps and live monitoring of some of the internal hidden variables.

This is a free form RP. I don't think war RP is somehow bad or deficient. And by the way, 'roll-play' is not proper spelling. Role-play is the proper spelling.

Furthermore, there are plenty of people on NS who RP nonhuman, and even nonhumanoid societies, the Eternal Swarm comes to mind.

Nation States will die, girls and boys unless we all put our hands together and clap and say,
"I believe in Nation States!"
"I believe in Nation States!"

Ready? One! Two! Three! ...........


Aw! You didn't clap! NS is dying!!!!
Again!
I believe in Nation States!"
"I believe in Nation States!"

Ready? One! Two! Three! ...........

Nah, NS's just going through detox.

The odd thing is that we lost a lot of nations quite rapidly.

Aah! The US election is over, Israeli and Palestinians are bashing each other up (so what else is new?), the Crisis on Wall Street has flattened out into general miserable slush.... there's bound to be reasons why Nation States rises and falls - competion from other sites being another factor.

Nation States will die, girls and boys unless we all put our hands together and clap and say,
"I believe in Nation States!"
"I believe in Nation States!"

Ready? One! Two! Three! ...........


Aw! You didn't clap! NS is dying!!!!
Again!
I believe in Nation States!"
"I believe in Nation States!"

Ready? One! Two! Three! ...........

I believe in Nation States!:p

Then Nation States believes in you, Augmark!

I believe in NationStates,

How to solve this crisis?

THE UNIBOTIAN PLAN OF SURVIVAL!

1. NationStates's population is in a state of decline. Think of it like a population stage,
we're in STAGE FIVE here people! Nobody has combated Stage Five in real life, America is struggling with it right now. But luckily we hold an advantage, we're virtual. This is a political simulator, right!?
2. The only way to beat a stage is to convert it to another stage, the prosperous stage three, perhaps?
3. That transition requires everyone here to recruit 10 friends or anyone.... really to play NationStates RIGHT NOW, because we need a baby boom, drop a lot of the excess rules and be nicer to n00bs, and give the Founder the decision to empower regional influence on his region to allow the raiding/defending concept to flourish. AND STOP BEING SO FUCKING NOSTALGIC, who would ever feel comfortable joining a group of people who just complain and look back at the past...my advice... go out into the NationStates world and do something...raid, pillage, be diplomatic...do something.

Maybe we need a "Teenage" section that brave teachers could use as a discussion tool..... mind you, this site would be blocked in many schools, so it would have to be an "at home" activity.
Assignment 1: Go to NS and create your country.
Deal with the issues and join a region. Join the World Assembly. Post at least five posts in NSG.
Then write a report on your experiences.

Maybe we need a "Teenage" section that brave teachers could use as a discussion tool..... mind you, this site would be blocked in many schools, so it would have to be an "at home" activity.


er...*cough* official educator info page for NS (http://www.nationstates.net/46133/page=educators)

didn't we have a bunch of teachers on here?

er...*cough* official educator info page for NS (http://www.nationstates.net/46133/page=educators)

didn't we have a bunch of teachers on here?

I'm a Politics and English teacher in Melbourne. I've told my 17 year-old students about NS but it's their final year so I don't push it too hard.
As the descriptor says of me, "I'm a forum addict". If they start getting addicted to NS, their grades could plummet.
Better to start them younger (like 14 or 15). There's quite a few teens on it (Guantleted Fist comes to mind - and western mercenaries)
Good for them. Now do your homework first boys!:mad: And no playing NS after 10 pm! You have school tomorrow!:D

Not dying. It's just an embarrassing rash.

Last year a thread like this was put up.

there one just about every year

there one just about every yearProbably a post-holiday id recovery.

And it seems we dropped below 48,900 people.

And it seems we dropped below 48,900 people.

Necrophile.

Lolz dewdz! th1s is ju5t @n 0portunty 4 intilectualls 2 ripl@c3 t3h st3wpid nubz0rz!






(I bet about 60% of you won't get the joke.)

We're down to 51,000 nations. I quite well remember us having 80,000 or more.

Perhaps a recruitment drive is in order?

I distinctly recall the number of active nations topping out near 150,000 back in the summer of '05.

Anyway, activity is at something of a low because people work and go to school during the year. I suspect we'll see a brief influx of newbies this spring or summer, even if it's only temporary.

NS isn't dying though. It's just losing participants. It won't die until Max Barry decides to take it offline, and I suspect we'd have to drop below 1,000 nations for that to happen.

Ih ad 12 and I know many with two or three puppets so it's just that many are having less nations or dying because they were inactive anyway or just done this cos it was a new experiance.

It's dying because the people at OMAC are too stupid to realize that the board was fine before they took over.

We do NOT need mod names huge-ified.

We do NOT need advertisements pasted between posts

And for fuck's sake, we DEFINITELY don't need ads posted INSIDE THE FIRST POST!

Unfortunately OMAC CEO Dylan Collins doesn't seem to care that he's ruining the very things OMAC spent good money on.

Needs salt.

i have a colony. it's called grades. some people of behaved were tired of undemocratic governance, so they started grades, which has never lost much politcal freedom. behaved became more democratic, but grades' people loved their nation, so i couldn't kill it.

That's the thing - it's easy to be nostalgic about the 'old days' of NS... but the damn thing was offline as often as on.
More often, as I recall. I had a one hour window of opportunity at 23:00 to post.

I wonder if we could bring back the Beach House...Go on Mods. You know you want to.
Why couldn't you?
The Paradise Club was here forever till people stopped posting to it.

I dunno. A lot of the "fat" that has been "pared away" has been some good RPers in my home region, as well as friends I've made over NS. It's been sad to see them go, and they've been away long enough for me to assume that they ain't coming back.
Real life happens... so does WoW and other attractions.

Dying? Not as long as I am capable of posting.
:D You tell 'em!

No... It just needs new recruits. The fact a nation is deleted after 30 days dosn't help either
Only if you DON'T LOG INTO IT. That's a player's fault, not the game's, innit? And even then, you can reactivate your nation by.... signing into it.

I suppose its going to shrink with nationstates two.

However, its hard for me to be too concerned when out of all the forums I post on (about 4, at pressent) this is far and away the busiest. Far more important than how many people are posting is who is posting. Quality, not just quantity.

I personally loathe NS2. Partly because of the pay-for-custom-flag, but also because the thing NEVER works for me. I permanently have a 'Template cannot be processed' error on everything. :mad: