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So it appears that former Australian PM is staying for one night at Blair House, which is the traditional mansion the President-elect stays in until he can move into the White House.

However, Obama must stay at a hotel due to it being booked by Howard for one night while he receives a medal from President Bush.

I personally think this whole thing is hilarious as if it is the traditional place for the President-elect to move into why wasn't this house booked months in advance?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/americans-miffed-at-howard/2009/01/08/1231004191604.html

Oh well, what do you guys think?

I'm getting sick from the Obama hype.

When he's farting, you can be sure it is in the news.

He is not the President-elect until the electoral votes are ratified by the Senate. Article II Section 1 of the US Constitution

He is not the President-elect until the electoral votes are ratified by the Senate. Article II Section 1 of the US Constitution

That'll be today, then.

Which hotel? I want to get his autograph.

I like how Jon Stewart described it. One last dick move for the outgoing presidency.

I think the hotel he is staying at is in the article. If not just do a search according to the Australian media the American media is all over this story

its tradtional for the incoming pres. to get blair house on the 15th.

the bushes have graciously made it available on the 15th.

to make it happen they had to scramble to find someone to stay there between the 5th and the 15th. mr howard has graciously agreed to do that (suppposedly he was booked after the obamas requested to move in at an ealier than usual date). he is going to be there on the 13th.

so, with a 133 room mansion there was NO WAY that mr howard could have a room while the obamas were there. the obamas have to wait.

You seppos are a bunch of whingers.

""The Blair House is owned by the American People!

"We have elected Mr Obama as our next president, yet this administration lets Mr Howard stay at Blair House! Move his backside to a hotel. Let the little girls and their family - the Obama's - have Blair House.""

Well fuck ya. We can sell our wool, livestock, grain and most importantly, coal and uranium to the Chinese.

I for one heartily support Mr Howards final "Fuck you" to the people that didn't like him.

This is an outrage! Just because Obama is black he has to wait for the white man to get out of the Blair House so he can stay there until the white man moves out of the White House! If this isn't racism...

This is an outrage! Just because Obama is black he has to wait for the white man to get out of the Blair House so he can stay there until the white man moves out of the White House! If this isn't racism...

If it was racism Obama would be in the kitchen peeling potatoes for Mr. Howard.

If it was racism Obama would be in the kitchen peeling potatoes for Mr. Howard.

They can't make it that obvious, so they settled for the next best thing.

This is an outrage! Just because Obama is black he has to wait for the white man to get out of the Blair House so he can stay there until the white man moves out of the White House! If this isn't racism...
as stephen colbert pointed out they got the only black man out of the senate and gave him his own "seperate but equal" branch of government.

as stephen colbert pointed out they got the only black man out of the senate and gave him his own "seperate but equal" branch of government.

Exactly! If that's not racism than nothing is.

You Americans need to stop treating Obama like a god. It's like you're forming some sort of sick imperial cult around him.

You Americans need to stop treating Obama like a god. It's like you're forming some sort of sick imperial cult around him.

I would have thought it'd be a more democratic republican* cult myself.










*Because America is a democratic republic.

You Americans need to stop treating Obama like a god. It's like you're forming some sort of sick imperial cult around him.

Yeah, we're treating him like a god just because we think he shouldn't be forced to stay in a hotel when every other president-elect is housed in the Blair house until they take office. :rolleyes:

I would have thought it'd be a more democratic republican* cult myself.










*Because America is a democratic republic.

I meant it figuratively.

Also, I knew America and Britain had a special relationship, but Tony is giving up his own home for president-elects? How nice of him.

Yeah, we're treating him like a god just because we think he shouldn't be forced to stay in a hotel when every other president-elect is housed in the Blair house until they take office. :rolleyes:

So why wasn't this already booked? It's not as if people don't know when the next election is to be held in America or anything.

You Americans need to stop treating Obama like a god. It's like you're forming some sort of sick imperial cult around him.
its always exciting to get a new president.

the only reason it seems different with obama is because we are so sick and tired of george bush. big contrast in popularlity, dontcha see?

So why wasn't this already booked? It's not as if people don't know when the next election is to be held in America or anything.
because its tradtional for the president elect to move in on the 15th.

So why wasn't this already booked? It's not as if people don't know when the next election is to be held in America or anything.

Basically, because George Bush is a dick. As Jon Stewart said, "one last dick move" before he leaves office.

because its tradtional for the president elect to move in on the 15th.

Basically, because George Bush is a dick. As Jon Stewart said, "one last dick move" before he leaves office.

*unsure*

its always exciting to get a new president.

the only reason it seems different with obama is because we are so sick and tired of george bush. big contrast in popularlity, dontcha see?

With a bit of luck, Obama will turn out as well for you as Rudd did for us.

With a bit of luck, Obama will turn out as well for you as Rudd did for us.

we've had our fill of incompetent idiots, thanks. That's why we elected someone who has a brain this time around.

With a bit of luck, Obama will turn out as well for you as Rudd did for us.

Why would that be lucky?

Why would that be lucky?

because of Rusty's immature sense of vengence and hatred, of course.

You Americans need to stop treating Obama like a god. It's like you're forming some sort of sick imperial cult around him.

I'm an American and I think Obama is far from a god. I agree that far too many people are putting this man on a golden plate and worshiping him. Just because he's black that makes him better? Equal rights my foot. Hell, I have already heard the excusses that his "supporters" are going to use when he fails, "It's not his fault. He just was stuck cleaning up after all of Bush's messes." What a load of crap.

You know what Obama and Kennedy have in common?
Nothing... yet.

because its tradtional for the president elect to move in on the 15th.

Umm, yeah that's kind of my point they knew he or McCain was moving in on the 15th and it should have been booked well in advance

we've had our fill of incompetent idiots, thanks. That's why we elected someone who has a brain this time around.

Wait a minute I thought Palin lost. :D

*runs*

we've had our fill of incompetent idiots, thanks. That's why we elected someone who has a brain this time around.

Hahaha. Let me tell you, we got the exact same rubbish out of Rudd during the campaign as you did out of Obama. And now, we have censored Internet, expensive alcohol, a potential ban on foods deemed too unhealthy, and our big budget surplus is now a deficit.

*unsure*
it may well be both.

rachel maddow put out a plea to her viewers to fax her invitations they had received to events at blair house so she could tell us all what was so freaking important. the only thing anyone could find that was an overnight thing was this howard stay on the 13th and supposedly that was booked after the obamas requested to get in early.

its a 133 room mansion. an accomodation could have been made. its far easier to keep blair house secure than it is to keep a hotel secure.

I'm an American and I think Obama is far from a god. I agree that far too many people are putting this man on a golden plate and worshiping him. Just because he's black that makes him better? Equal rights my foot. Hell, I have already heard the excusses that his "supporters" are going to use when he fails, "It's not his fault. He just was stuck cleaning up after all of Bush's messes." What a load of crap.

You know what Obama and Kennedy have in common?
Nothing... yet.
ummm

since we know that bush is leaving a horrible mess--by far the worse mess that any president has faced in living memory--why would it be a load of crap to blame the mess on bush if obama cant get it all sorted out in 4 years?

Hahaha. Let me tell you, we got the exact same rubbish out of Rudd during the campaign as you did out of Obama. And now, we have censored Internet, expensive alcohol, a potential ban on foods deemed too unhealthy, and our big budget surplus is now a deficit.

That's only because Rudd stole a lot of what Obama was doing a full 12 months before Obama was elected.

And as much as I disagree with Rudd the budget surplus going into deficit is not his fault and should indeed be in deficit at this point in time.

And as much as I disagree with Rudd the budget surplus going into deficit is not his fault and should indeed be in deficit at this point in time.

If he hadn't banked so much on taxes that had no chance of passing, the situation would be better.

ummm

since we know that bush is leaving a horrible mess--by far the worse mess that any president has faced in living memory--why would it be a load of crap to blame the mess on bush if obama cant get it all sorted out in 4 years?

Excuses, excuses. If all our problems aren't instantly fixed on January 20, it's all Obama's fault and his presidency is a failure!

If he hadn't banked so much on taxes that had no chance of passing, the situation would be better.

Dude, the taxes have now be passed, not to mention that he was collecting those taxes well before they passed by the Senate.

That's right he was collecting illegal taxes.

Excuses, excuses. If all our problems aren't instantly fixed on January 20, it's all Obama's fault and his presidency is a failure!

And if all the problems aren't fixed by 20th January 2018 then they were all caused by Bush and was his fault.

You Americans need to stop treating Obama like a god. It's like you're forming some sort of sick imperial cult around him.

Obama's being denied the traditional residence of the President Elect while your darling hero Johnny H. is getting a medal from Dear Leader for being part of the Axis of Complicity.

And yet you still find this a wangst-worthy approach. You can always dream that they're still in charge of the West along with Tony Blair, Potato Boy. Get something positive out of it!

Dude, the taxes have now be passed, not to mention that he was collecting those taxes well before they passed by the Senate.

That's right he was collecting illegal taxes.

The luxury car tax wasn't passed. The alcopop tax failed because everybody has just switched to hard liquor.

The luxury car tax wasn't passed.

Yeah dude, it was they just changed some qualifications. And if it wasn't then it is news to me and show me.

And if all the problems aren't fixed by 20th January 2018 then they were all caused by Bush and was his fault.
dont be silly.

it will still be bill clintons fault.

Wait a minute I thought Palin lost. :D

*runs*

she did. As I said, we elected someone with a brain.

Yeah dude, it was they just changed some qualifications. And if it wasn't then it is news to me and show me.

Alright, I was wrong on that one, but to be fair, it failed because of the economic crash.

she did. As I said, we elected someone with a brain.

Dude, you missed the joke.

I'm an American and I think Obama is far from a god. I agree that far too many people are putting this man on a golden plate and worshiping him. Just because he's black that makes him better? Equal rights my foot. Hell, I have already heard the excusses that his "supporters" are going to use when he fails, "It's not his fault. He just was stuck cleaning up after all of Bush's messes." What a load of crap.

Yeah, seriously. I mean, what do his supporters think, that Bush left him with two wars, a massive deficit, a crashing economy, and a tarnished world reputation?

Frankly speaking, Bush fucked up this country. He fucked it up royally and it's going to take years to fix it. Far more than the single 4 of Obama's first administration. "He was stuck cleaning up after all of Bush's messes" is a very accurate statement.

dont be silly.

it will still be bill clintons fault.

Don't forget Reagan

Alright, I was wrong on that one, but to be fair, it failed because of the economic crash.

What failed

Dude, you missed the joke.

no, I got it. I just think Palin is an idiot :p

And if all the problems aren't fixed by 20th January 2018 then they were all caused by Bush and was his fault.

Well, I doubt that, however well he does, Obama will be able to solve everything. He is inheriting a pretty shitty situation after all.

(Oh, and if he gets a second term, he'll be done in 2016, not 2018)

no, I got it. I just think Palin is an idiot :p

Ok good, and so do I.

Hahaha. Let me tell you, we got the exact same rubbish out of Rudd during the campaign as you did out of Obama. And now, we have censored Internet, expensive alcohol, a potential ban on foods deemed too unhealthy, and our big budget surplus is now a deficit.

I don't think I'm going to be taking seriously predictions of america's future by someone who doesn't even know how our election cycles work.

Yeah, seriously. I mean, what do his supporters think, that Bush left him with two wars, a massive deficit, a crashing economy, and a tarnished world reputation?

Frankly speaking, Bush fucked up this country. He fucked it up royally and it's going to take years to fix it. Far more than the single 4 of Obama's first administration. "He was stuck cleaning up after all of Bush's messes" is a very accurate statement.

Quite frankly, I doubt it can even be totally fixed in eight years. But we can make progress.

no, I got it. I just think Palin is an idiot :p

"Think" implies that this is an opinion or something.

Well, I doubt that, however well he does, Obama will be able to solve everything. He is inheriting a pretty shitty situation after all.

(Oh, and if he gets a second term, he'll be done in 2016, not 2018)

Spewing how did I miscalculate that? But change it to 2016 and the point remains.

(Oh, and if he gets a second term, he'll be done in 2016, not 2018)

you're both wrong. Obama's second term, if he has one, will end January 2017

you're both wrong. Obama's second term, if he has one, will end January 2017

Ah, that last month doesn't count for anything anyway. :p

What failed

The luxury car tax. Nobody's buying cars.

you're both wrong. Obama's second term, if he has one, will end January 2017

Why do you feel the need to used the qualifier "if he has one"?

Why do you feel the need to used the qualifier "if he has one"?

Because, you know... it isn't automatic...

you're both wrong. Obama's second term, if he has one, will end January 2017

Split the damn difference. Anyway Obamas administration will end on 30th November 2009

*arrested by the Secret Service*

The luxury car tax. Nobody's buying cars.

Fuck, you know what time it is and I don't feel like going into a whole debate about this. Anyway the budget should be in the red at the moment.

Why do you feel the need to used the qualifier "if he has one"?

because....he could lose re-election, he could choose not to seek re-election. He could resign. He could retire. He could die. He could become incapacitated

You know, things like that? He wont even OFFICALLY become president elect until later tonight. It's worth noting that 3 of the last 6 presidents served one term or less.

Ah, that last month doesn't count for anything anyway. :p

Well Dear Leader certainly found ways to make it count for the worse.

because....he could lose re-election, he could choose not to seek re-election. He could resign. He could retire. He could die. He could become incapacitated

You know, things like that? He wont even OFFICALLY become president elect until later tonight. It's worth noting that 3 of the last 6 presidents served one term or less.

Oh, of course he'll get re-elected. Americans never admit that they're wrong, you'll vote for him again, even if he somehow drives your country into the ground.

Well Dear Leader certainly found ways to make it count for the worse.

Touché.

Oh, of course he'll get re-elected. Americans never admit that they're wrong, you'll vote for him again, even if he somehow drives your country into the ground.

The man hasnt even been sworn in yet ffs. Wait untill he has been president for a while before passing judgement on him.

Oh, of course he'll get re-elected. Americans never admit that they're wrong, you'll vote for him again, even if he somehow drives your country into the ground.

just like Bush Sr! And Carter! And Ford! Again, you realize that of the last 6 presidents, three lost their re-election campaigns?

I'm reminded of a rerun of a saturday night live sketch which originally aired around 1991. It was basically premised "pick the democrat to lose to George H.W. Bush" and featured a lot of prominent democrat politicians (well, parodies of them) talking about why they should get the nomination to run against, and lose to, George H. W. Bush. What made the sketch funny is that, at the time, Bush Sr. was expected to walk away with re-election more or less effortlessly.

Time has also made that sketch more amusing by the fact that the parodies were of prominent politicians, amongst whom the pundits all believed that the next democratic party nomination for president for the 1992 election would come from.

Bill Clinton was not amongst them.

The man hasnt even been sworn in yet ffs. Wait untill he has been president for a while before passing judgement on him.

He's not passing judgment on Obama, he's passing it on the American people. And he's right. Not that I don't support Obama, but we did it with Bush...

EDIT: Damn, ninja'd.

Oh, of course he'll get re-elected. Americans never admit that they're wrong, you'll vote for him again, even if he somehow drives your country into the ground.

That was an electoral strategy that worked for George H. ...oh, no, wait, it's just bollocks.

just like Bush Sr! And Carter! And Ford!

Did any of them have Obama's cult of personality surrounding them?

Mark my word, no matter what happens, Americans won't be able to accept the possibility that they made a mistake with him.

Mark my words, no matter what happens, Americans won't be able to accept the possibility that they made a mistake with him.

given your profound ignorance of american politics, "your words" are not worth much.

Which hotel? I want to get his autograph.

The Hay Adams. It's much nicer than Blair House.

Did any of them have Obama's cult of personality surrounding them?

Mark my word, no matter what happens, Americans won't be able to accept the possibility that they made a mistake with him.

He. Is. Not. The. President. Yet.

given your profound ignorance of american politics, "your words" are not worth much.

Like so many things American (such as your football), your politics are so needlessly complicated and pointless that they take up too much valuable mental real estate to be worth learning.

Did any of them have Obama's cult of personality surrounding them?

Mark my word, no matter what happens, Americans won't be able to accept the possibility that they made a mistake with him.
or maybe he'll do a good job and we'll reelect him because of it.

He. Is. Not. The. President. Yet.

What exactly is your point? You make it sound like he might not end up being president.

I vote it was a simple dick move from Bush & Co. They've done nothing but dick moves since the election, and this is the latest and most small and petty.

The only reason the Obamas wanted to move in earlier than the 15th was because they had to come to DC earlier so the girls could start school with everyone else. So not only is Bush being a dick, he's being a dick to two little girls who are very cute.

He's also being a dick to the American people -- again -- because Blair House is already fully secure, whereas the hotel had to be made secure at a cost of millions of taxpayer dollars in the midst of a collapsing economy and other expensive shit. Gosh, thanks for understanding and exercising your privileges, Mr. Bush, you fucking asshole.

I like how Jon Stewart described it. One last dick move for the outgoing presidency.

He generally has his finger on the pulse of what's going on.

I usually have my hand on something that's pulsing.

We're basically brothers.

I vote it was a simple dick move from Bush & Co. They've done nothing but dick moves since the election, and this is the latest and most small and petty.

The only reason the Obamas wanted to move in earlier than the 15th was because they had to come to DC earlier so the girls could start school with everyone else. So not only is Bush being a dick, he's being a dick to two little girls who are very cute.

He's also being a dick to the American people -- again -- becuase Blair House is already fully secure, whereas the hotel had to be made secure at a cost of millions of taxpayer dollars in the midst of a collapsing economy and other expensive shit. Gosh, thanks for understanding and exercising your privileges, Mr. Bush, you fucking asshole.

The Hay Adams is already pretty secure, as it is frequently used by international dignitaries.

It is also a much nicer place to live than Blair House.

You've presented zero evidence that the Blair House was available.

I'm an American and I think Obama is far from a god. I agree that far too many people are putting this man on a golden plate and worshiping him. Just because he's black that makes him better? Equal rights my foot. Hell, I have already heard the excusses that his "supporters" are going to use when he fails, "It's not his fault. He just was stuck cleaning up after all of Bush's messes." What a load of crap.

You know what Obama and Kennedy have in common?
Nothing... yet.

I view Pres-Elect Obama as LBJ rather than JFK, taking up the reigns of a country crippled by fighting a bullshit foreign war.

Too bad Obama has shit policies.

He's also being a dick to the American people -- again -- because Blair House is already fully secure, whereas the hotel had to be made secure at a cost of millions of taxpayer dollars in the midst of a collapsing economy and other expensive shit.

So in other words he is injecting more money into the economy and giving people more money to spend? Nothing wrong with that, unless you mean it was pointless spending which I presume you do so then yeah.

But then I find the entire commotion and that it happened funny.

The Hay Adams is already pretty secure, as it is frequently used by international dignitaries.
You should try keeping up with the news before you comment on current events. The blocks around the Hay Adams have been closed to traffic and security details posted around the building, as well as additional surveillance installed, all to protect the Obamas. This will continue for as long as the Obamas are there, and when they move out, it will all have to be un-installed. It's been reported on both CNN and NBC affiiliates at various times in the past few days. All of this is FAR in excess of the security the Hay Adams already had in place, and all of it is being paid for with public funds as a Secret Service operation.

Blair House already has that level of security in place, so there would have been no additional cost associated with putting the Obamas in there.

It is also a much nicer place to live than Blair House.
So very, very not the point.

You've presented zero evidence that the Blair House was available.
Do you deny that Blair house contains over 130 rooms? Do you deny that it has just one guest booked to stay in it now? Just how fat do you think Mr. Howard is that it would have been impossible to fit both him and the Obamas in the same building at the same time?

So in other words he is injecting more money into the economy and giving people more money to spend? Nothing wrong with that, unless you mean it was pointless spending which I presume you do so then yeah.

But then I find the entire commotion and that it happened funny.
Sorry, that joke wasn't funny either. Maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet. And yes, I was pointing out that it was pointless spending. Avoidable spending, too.

EDIT: I think many Americans have lost the ability to laugh at Bush's little foibles anymore. We're just so tired of his shit.

You should try keeping up with the news before you comment on current events. The blocks around the Hay Adams have been closed to traffic and security details posted around the building, as well as additional surveillance installed, all to protect the Obamas. This will continue for as long as the Obamas are there, and when they move out, it will all have to be un-installed. It's been reported on both CNN and NBC affiiliates at various times in the past few days. All of this is FAR in excess of the security the Hay Adams already had in place, and all of it is being paid for with public funds as a Secret Service operation.

So very, very not the point.

Do you deny that Blair house contains over 130 rooms? Do you deny that it has just one guest booked to stay in it now? Just how fat do you think Mr. Howard is that it would have been impossible to fit both him and the Obamas in the same building at the same time?

I pass the Hay Adams every day.

The "extra" features aren't really necessary - apparently, since Obama's election, the Secret Service considers him to be under more of a threat than any previous President, thus necessitating "extra" security above and beyond that which even Bush receives.

There are already plans to upgrade the White House.

It's also why for this inaugural, the absolutely unprecedented step of closing every bridge from Virginia to the District is being taken, along with deploying 11,000 soldiers in town, and searching EVERY person who will be attending the inauguration ceremony (that's physically searching millions of people).

Highways well outside of the District will be closed to traffic - 10 miles outside of the District boundaries (I-395 and I-66). Why? Because of "security".

Personally, I don't feel that all the extra security is needed, absent a specific credible threat. I think it's a lot of ass-covering nonsense. It would be easy to argue that Bush is the most hated President we've had, and yet I see no "extra" security at the level which Obama is receiving.

The Blair House is smaller than you think. I've been inside, and it's no Hay Adams.

Sorry, that joke wasn't funny either. Maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet. And yes, I was pointing out that it was pointless spending. Avoidable spending, too.

Isn't pointless spending always avoidable spending?


EDIT: I think many Americans have lost the ability to laugh at Bush's little foibles anymore. We're just so tired of his shit.

My name is SaintB, and I endorse this message.

Isn't pointless spending always avoidable spending?



My name is SaintB, and I endorse this message.

Yes. I guess, I do need more coffee.

I pass the Hay Adams every day.

The "extra" features aren't really necessary - apparently, since Obama's election, the Secret Service considers him to be under more of a threat than any previous President, thus necessitating "extra" security above and beyond that which even Bush receives.

There are already plans to upgrade the White House.

It's also why for this inaugural, the absolutely unprecedented step of closing every bridge from Virginia to the District is being taken, along with deploying 11,000 soldiers in town, and searching EVERY person who will be attending the inauguration ceremony (that's physically searching millions of people).

Highways well outside of the District will be closed to traffic - 10 miles outside of the District boundaries (I-395 and I-66). Why? Because of "security".

Personally, I don't feel that all the extra security is needed, absent a specific credible threat. I think it's a lot of ass-covering nonsense. It would be easy to argue that Bush is the most hated President we've had, and yet I see no "extra" security at the level which Obama is receiving.

The Blair House is smaller than you think. I've been inside, and it's no Hay Adams.

What I find most remarkable about you, DK, is that no matter what it is, where it is, or who is involved, you've been there, done that, and got the t-shirt.

It really is astounding.

I pass the Hay Adams every day.

The "extra" features aren't really necessary - apparently, since Obama's election, the Secret Service considers him to be under more of a threat than any previous President, thus necessitating "extra" security above and beyond that which even Bush receives.

There are already plans to upgrade the White House.

It's also why for this inaugural, the absolutely unprecedented step of closing every bridge from Virginia to the District is being taken, along with deploying 11,000 soldiers in town, and searching EVERY person who will be attending the inauguration ceremony (that's physically searching millions of people).

Highways well outside of the District will be closed to traffic - 10 miles outside of the District boundaries (I-395 and I-66). Why? Because of "security".

Personally, I don't feel that all the extra security is needed, absent a specific credible threat. I think it's a lot of ass-covering nonsense. It would be easy to argue that Bush is the most hated President we've had, and yet I see no "extra" security at the level which Obama is receiving.

The Blair House is smaller than you think. I've been inside, and it's no Hay Adams.
Why does this sound like complete and total bullshit to me? Oh, yeah, because it's:

A) Unsupported claims of personal inside knowledge that contradicts official public statements.

B) Off-point.

C) Referring to obvious common-knowledge facts as if they are big revelations.

D) Ignoring yet more recent news -- such as the fact that the Secret Service thinks Obama is under more threat than any other recent president because they have received/intercepted more threats to/about him than to/about any other recent president.

E) Self-contradictory, claiming that extra security doesn't exist and dismissing the extra security (that apparently does exist after all) as based on a mere fantasy by the Secret Service.

F) From you.

What I find most remarkable about you, DK, is that no matter what it is, where it is, or who is involved, you've been there, done that, and got the t-shirt.

It really is astounding.
Isn't amazing? He's like Zelig or Forrest Gump or something.

Why does this sound like complete and total bullshit to me? Oh, yeah, because it's:

A) Unsupported claims of personal inside knowledge that contradicts official public statements.

B) Off-point.

C) Referring to obvious common-knowledge facts as if they are big revelations.

D) Ignoring yet more recent news -- such as the fact that the Secret Service thinks Obama is under more threat than any other recent president because they have received/intercepted more threats to/about him than to/about any other recent president.

E) From you.

I'm not off-point, nor am I contradicting anything.

They think Obama needs "extra" - so no matter where he stays, he's going to get "extra". This would include even if he were at Blair or the White House.

As for you not believing the "extra", why don't you Google what highways are going to be shut down for the inaugural?

Why are they being shut down? They're nowhere near the event.

As for "from you", your kneejerk reaction to anything you can pin on Bush is pretty obvious - it's obvious that Obama has no problem with his living quarters - no bitching from him or his wife at all.

Care to show me where Obama said that it's Bush's fault that he's not in Blair House right now?

Isn't amazing? He's like Zelig or Forrest Gump or something.

I live and work in DC, and have for most of my life (except during my service in the military, and a few consulting gigs outside of the US).

Yes. I guess, I do need more coffee.

Have one for me to.

I'm not off-point, nor am I contradicting anything.
If you really think that, it explains a lot about your posts.

They think Obama needs "extra" - so no matter where he stays, he's going to get "extra". This would include even if he were at Blair or the White House.
Another unsupported supposition from you. Since Blair House already has more security than the Hay Adams, why do you think they would have to bump up Blair House's security as much as they have done at the Hay Adams? I am referring to the cost of this operation, not just its existence.

As for you not believing the "extra", why don't you Google what highways are going to be shut down for the inaugural?
And now you're trying to make up an argument for me to have made. I do not "not believe" in the "extra." I'm the one denouncing Bush's dick move for having made that much "extra" necessary, at public expense.

As usual for you, shown up as wrong by my original statements, you try to put words in my mouth, compared to which you think you might look right. Too bad for you that I didn't say what you wish I had.

Why are they being shut down? They're nowhere near the event.
Ask the Secret Service, since you're so in with that crowd yourself.

As for "from you", your kneejerk reaction to anything you can pin on Bush is pretty obvious - it's obvious that Obama has no problem with his living quarters - no bitching from him or his wife at all.
"From you" means YOU, not Bush.

Unless... you are finally coming out of the net-closet and revealing your true identity?

IT'S BUSH!!! GET HIM!!! *dogpile*

Care to show me where Obama said that it's Bush's fault that he's not in Blair House right now?
Care to show me where anyone, including me, ever said anything at all about what Obama thinks of this or made any representations about Obama's thoughts or reactions?

Care to show me where anyone, including me, has expressed anything but our own personal opinions about whether Bush is being a dick about this?

Then would you care to explain exactly what relevance Obama's opinion would have to anything in this thread?

Or are you just desperately fishing for anything that could possibly make you look less clueless? Less like you brought a bucket of bullshit to the party and then stepped in it yourself?

Care to show me where anyone, including me, ever said anything at all about what Obama thinks of this or made any representations about Obama thoughts or reactions?

Care to show me where anyone, including me, has expressed anything but our own personal opinions about whether Bush is being a dick about this?

Then would you care to explain exactly what relevance Obama's opinion would have to anything in this thread?

Obama's opinion would be far more relevant than your completely unsupported accusation that this was Bush being a deliberate dick.

Obviously, Obama has no problem with it. Because of your unfounded accusation (I'm still waiting for proof that Bush deliberately conspired to fuck Obama out of the Blair House), you think that this is a bad thing.

Obviously, Obama knows more than you do. And so do I.

Obama's opinion would be far more relevant than your completely unsupported accusation that this was Bush being a deliberate dick.
And now you're going to try to pretend that when a person states clearly that they are stating a personal opinion, what they're really doing is making an assertion of fact.

So...unable to support your own claims of fact about what goes on at Blair House, etc, you're now going to try misrepresenting what others have said in the hopes of getting yourself off your own hook?

Obviously, Obama has no problem with it.
Another statement of fact, as opposed to expression of opinion. Got evidence to support that?

And once you've shown the obviousness of your claim, then explain how it's relevant to this discussion.

Because of your unfounded accusation (I'm still waiting for proof that Bush deliberately conspired to fuck Obama out of the Blair House), you think that this is a bad thing.
And yet another thing completely unrelated to the content of the discussion that you claim (untruthfully) that I said and that you are "still waiting" for proof of. Well, I'm sorry, DK, I'm not in the business of trying to prove your fantasies to you.

Also, you again misrepresent my statements, claiming that I said things that not only were never said by me, but are completely unrelated to anything I or anyone else has said.

Obviously, Obama knows more than you do. And so do I.
And you end with a joke. Nice touch.

Obama's opinion would be far more relevant than your completely unsupported accusation that this was Bush being a deliberate dick.

Obviously, Obama has no problem with it. Because of your unfounded accusation (I'm still waiting for proof that Bush deliberately conspired to fuck Obama out of the Blair House), you think that this is a bad thing.

Obviously, Obama knows more than you do. And so do I.

You have allready etablished that you know jack shit about the issue and members have called you on it. Now, why dont you go back to fapping over your pictures of dead iraqis and leave us alone.

And now you're going to try to pretend that when a person states clearly that they are stating a personal opinion, what they're really doing is making an assertion of fact.

So...unable to support your own claims of fact about what goes on at Blair House, etc, you're now going to try misrepresenting what others have said in the hopes of getting yourself off your own hook?


Another statement of fact, as opposed to expression of opinion. Got evidence to support that?

And once you've shown the obviousness of your claim, then explain how it's relevant to this discussion.


And yet another thing completely unrelated to the content of the discussion that you claim (untruthfully) that I said and that you are "still waiting" for proof of. Well, I'm sorry, DK, I'm not in the business of trying to prove your fantasies to you.

Also, you again misrepresent my statements, claiming that I said things that not only were never said by me, but are completely unrelated to anything I or anyone else has said.


And you end with a joke. Nice touch.

I'm saying that your opinion is irrelevant, and that you were definitely making an assertion of fact that this was a deliberate act by Bush to screw over Obama and waste money.

I'm still waiting for your proof, which you have to provide first. Otherwise, we can conclude that your "opinion" is worthless tripe.

I'm saying that your opinion is irrelevant, and that you were definitely making an assertion of fact that this was a deliberate act by Bush to screw over Obama and waste money.

I'm still waiting for your proof, which you have to provide first. Otherwise, we can conclude that your "opinion" is worthless tripe.

:rolleyes:

I'm saying that your opinion is irrelevant, and that you were definitely making an assertion of fact that this was a deliberate act by Bush to screw over Obama and waste money.

I'm still waiting for your proof, which you have to provide first. Otherwise, we can conclude that your "opinion" is worthless tripe.

Great, so now we can't even post an opinion without factual information. This place has really gone to hell, I guess its time to find somewhere else.

I'm saying that your opinion is irrelevant, and that you were definitely making an assertion of fact that this was a deliberate act by Bush to screw over Obama and waste money.

I'm still waiting for your proof, which you have to provide first. Otherwise, we can conclude that your "opinion" is worthless tripe.

*BOOM*[/irony detector]

I'm saying that your opinion is irrelevant, and that you were definitely making an assertion of fact that this was a deliberate act by Bush to screw over Obama and waste money.

I'm still waiting for your proof, which you have to provide first. Otherwise, we can conclude that your "opinion" is worthless tripe.
Bullshit for the following reasons:

1) The expression of opinions about this event is the topic of the thread.

2) I stated very clearly that it is my opinion that Bush only did this to be a dick. That's the OPINION part. The FACT part is that this is costing a lot of money, and if you deny will deny that, then that's just another turd thrown on top of the BS pile that is your argument.

3) Except for the statement that the security is costing money, I have not made any assertions of fact, therefore, there is nothing for me to prove.

4) You, on the other hand, have made assertions about what's inside Blair House, about the levels of security surrounding Obama, about how unnecessary that security is, and about why the Secret Service is doing it anyway. And you have not offered even one piece of evidence to back up any of that. Yet you bitch at me for not having "proof" of my opinion.

Seriously, DK, your bullshit has gotten boring.

Attached is the most recent information released by the Secret Service regarding street closings and the updated security and transportation plans.

Further Secret Service advises that:

Civilian vehicles will not be allowed in the downtown areas that are currently identified as the Secure Area or the areas where the streets are to be used for bus parking.
Virtually all bridges from Virginia into Washington, DC will be closed at 12:01 AM on January 20th. Three lane narrow Chain Bridge may remain open but it is not capable of handling high volumes of traffic.
Metro will operate from 4AM on January 20th until 2AM on January 21st and very heavy usage is anticipated.
Metro has determined that its parking lots in the suburbs will not be needed for tour bus parking; many of those lots have been freed up for regular parking. Consult the WMATA web site for more information at Metro - Home page
The Metro stops at Archives-Navy Memorial-Penn Quarter and the Smithsonian Station will be closed all day on January 20th.
Security checkpoints will be set up along E Street on most of the parade route between the Capitol and Freedom Plaza and the crowds are expected to be backed up for up to two blocks trying to get through the metal detectors.

More changes to the security plan are anticipated but none of these changes will result in a loosening of the security protocols.

Yeah, I never know anything, or have any connections...

Great, so now we can't even post an opinion without factual information. This place has really gone to hell, I guess its time to find somewhere else.
may i recommend

www.freerepublic.com

Attached is the most recent information released by the Secret Service regarding street closings and the updated security and transportation plans.

Further Secret Service advises that:

Civilian vehicles will not be allowed in the downtown areas that are currently identified as the Secure Area or the areas where the streets are to be used for bus parking.
Virtually all bridges from Virginia into Washington, DC will be closed at 12:01 AM on January 20th. Three lane narrow Chain Bridge may remain open but it is not capable of handling high volumes of traffic.
Metro will operate from 4AM on January 20th until 2AM on January 21st and very heavy usage is anticipated.
Metro has determined that its parking lots in the suburbs will not be needed for tour bus parking; many of those lots have been freed up for regular parking. Consult the WMATA web site for more information at Metro - Home page
The Metro stops at Archives-Navy Memorial-Penn Quarter and the Smithsonian Station will be closed all day on January 20th.
Security checkpoints will be set up along E Street on most of the parade route between the Capitol and Freedom Plaza and the crowds are expected to be backed up for up to two blocks trying to get through the metal detectors.

More changes to the security plan are anticipated but none of these changes will result in a loosening of the security protocols.

"Attached"?

You mean "attached" as in linked to a real source for this information. Nope, guess not.

So then do you mean "attached" as in attaching to anything relevant to the present conversation? *reads post again* Nope, not that either.

Yeah, I never know anything, or have any connections...
Yes, we know.

"Attached"?

You mean "attached" as in linked to a real source for this information. Nope, guess not.

So then do you mean "attached" as in attaching to anything relevant to the present conversation? *reads post again* Nope, not that either.


Yes, we know.

If you want the attachments, I can mail them to you. They're PDF files.

If you want the attachments, I can mail them to you. They're PDF files.
Yeah, sure, I'll hold my breath for them to appear. :D

EDIT: DK's little performance has eaten up my whole morning, so I'm going to go do some work now. While I'm gone, I don't want any of you net-nerds to remind him that, if he has pdf files, he can copy/paste the relevant source information into a post in this thread. I want to see him actually mail something. ;) :D

If you want the attachments, I can mail them to you. They're PDF files.
yes you are very important and you know things that no one but ....well anyone who has an interest in it ....can know.

and its still irrelevant to the topic at hand.

im sure it annoys you that there will be an inauguration on the 20th, that it will be a big deal and that it has some chance of inconveniencing you. but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the obamas having to stay in a hotel when they could have been accomodated at blair house.

http://www.mediafire.com/?nidqirj0zit

http://www.mediafire.com/?ojn2xf5xwdo

http://www.mediafire.com/?zoynnjmetj2

yes you are very important and you know things that no one but ....well anyone who has an interest in it ....can know.

and its still irrelevant to the topic at hand.

im sure it annoys you that there will be an inauguration on the 20th, that it will be a big deal and that it has some chance of inconveniencing you. but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the obamas having to stay in a hotel when they could have been accomodated at blair house.

It has everything to do with it.

The argument was made that Bush did this on purpose, when no proof was offered that this was the case.

The argument was made that because of what Bush did, extra security was required - when it's a fact that no matter where Obama goes now, even to the White House, there will be extra security above and beyond what any previous President has had. That's not Bush's fault, either.

I'm demonstrating that there is "extra" now that will cost hundreds of millions of dollars just for the inaugural security. Going to blame Bush for that, too?

It has everything to do with it.

The argument was made that Bush did this on purpose, when no proof was offered that this was the case.

The argument was made that because of what Bush did, extra security was required - when it's a fact that no matter where Obama goes now, even to the White House, there will be extra security above and beyond what any previous President has had. That's not Bush's fault, either.

I'm demonstrating that there is "extra" now that will cost hundreds of millions of dollars just for the inaugural security. Going to blame Bush for that, too?

no it has, and continues to have, nothing to do with the topic at hand.

no it has, and continues to have, nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Still waiting for proof that Bush did this on purpose to fuck over Obama, and to intentionally cost more money.

Until then the idea of "extra" expenditures for security fall under the category of "extra because he's Obama", not "extra because of Bush", per my documented proof.

Still waiting for proof that Bush did this on purpose to fuck over Obama, and to intentionally cost more money.

Until then the idea of "extra" expenditures for security fall under the category of "extra because he's Obama", not "extra because of Bush", per my documented proof.
you can wait forever.

they are not going to issue a statement saying "oh we just wanted to pull one more dick move before we go" now are they.

you can wait forever.

they are not going to issue a statement saying "oh we just wanted to pull one more dick move before we go" now are they.

So you admit that it's not a fact that it was a dick move. Especially since Obama isn't complaining about it.

And you admit that the extra cost issue is a red herring, because they're already going to spend millions on "extra" security for Obama no matter where he goes, because he's Obama, not because Bush is a dick.

Still waiting

Yeah we're still waiting for you to respond to the ~160 posts in your idiotic climate change thread. But, you won't, and in all honesty, you can't.

Give me two reasons anyone should take you seriously.

Yeah we're still waiting for you to respond to the ~160 posts in your idiotic climate change thread. But, you won't, and in all honesty, you can't.

Give me two reasons anyone should take you seriously.

I left because it's obvious you didn't read the article and its reference to ice levels returning to 1979 levels. You felt compelled to stick your head in the sand, so it's pointless to argue with you.

As for this thread, check the links I provided to see the unprecedented scale of security for this inaugural. Completely unprecedented.

This is not a dick move, it is international politics.
The Blair house is also the traditional place for visiting heads of state.
It would be insult to treat our guest poorly, especially heads of state who have equal standing to the president.

I left because it's obvious you didn't read the article

LOL

Yes, no one in that thread read the article. Except you of course. How silly, you didn't leave because you got your ass handed to you multiple times by several people, you left because you're God and can't be arsed to come down from the mountaintop and associate with mere mortals.

You felt compelled to stick your head in the sand, so it's pointless to argue with you.

Arguing with you is pointless because you're a troll, and the fact that you ran chickenshit from that thread (and every other argument you lose) proves it.

So you admit that it's not a fact that it was a dick move. Especially since Obama isn't complaining about it.

And you admit that the extra cost issue is a red herring, because they're already going to spend millions on "extra" security for Obama no matter where he goes, because he's Obama, not because Bush is a dick.
no it was a dick move.

obama isnt the complaining type. his lack of complaint means nothing here.

mr howard wasnt even invited when the obamas requested to move in early. the other medal recipients are staying elsewhere. there is no reason that mr howard couldnt be staying at the hay adams for one night instead of the obamas staying there for 2 weeks.

i dont much care about the extra costs nor have i complained about them. but its probably rather inconvenient for those (who are not you) who work in the area and have to make concessions to that extra security.

You Americans need to stop treating Obama like a god. It's like you're forming some sort of sick imperial cult around him. "Ronald Reagan"

no it was a dick move.

obama isnt the complaining type. his lack of complaint means nothing here.

mr howard wasnt even invited when the obamas requested to move in early. the other medal recipients are staying elsewhere. there is no reason that mr howard couldnt be staying at the hay adams for one night instead of the obamas staying there for 2 weeks.

i dont much care about the extra costs nor have i complained about them. but its probably rather inconvenient for those (who are not you) who work in the area and have to make concessions to that extra security.

The arguments being made earlier were half about "dick" and half about "extra costs". Maybe you don't care, but they did.

The arguments being made earlier were half about "dick" and half about "extra costs". Maybe you don't care, but they did.
good for them.

So not only is Bush being a dick, he's being a dick to two little girls who are very cute.

I object to the claims regarding the cuteness of the little girls!

I object to the claims regarding the cuteness of the little girls!
or the implication that if they were ugly little brats it would be OK to be a dick.

I want proof of their cuteness. Preferably a quote from inside Obama's team and/or the Bush administration, that the little girls are cute. In PDF format. E-mailed to me. And I won't be satisfied until I get exactly that.

or the implication that if they were ugly little brats it would be OK to be a dick.

*shrugs* People have been dicks to ugly people in the past. Hell even Disney has been a dick to ugly people.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16905_p2.html

http://www.mediafire.com/?nidqirj0zit

http://www.mediafire.com/?ojn2xf5xwdo

http://www.mediafire.com/?zoynnjmetj2
These documents do not display, and I can't find a button that would let me open or download them. So...care to try again?

Also, do you know how to copy/paste from a pdf file? A lot of people don't. There's an "I-beam" tool in the adobe pdf toolbar that will let you select text in the pdf and copy/paste it as text into any word processing program (.doc, .txt, .rtf) from which you could paste it into a post here. You might even be able to paste it directly into a post from the pdf. You will lose any formatting and special fonts, but it will still be perfectly usable.

Don't forget to show the source/authorship of the documents as well.

Still waiting for proof that Bush did this on purpose to fuck over Obama, and to intentionally cost more money.

Until then the idea of "extra" expenditures for security fall under the category of "extra because he's Obama", not "extra because of Bush", per my documented proof.
Still waiting for proof of a fact that was never claimed? Still ignoring the explanations of why your demand is ridiculous? Are you holding your breath and standing on one leg while you wait?

I object to the claims regarding the cuteness of the little girls!
That was part of the opinion part of the statement. I accept that cuteness is in the eye of the beholder and that a beholder who is a tool might not perceive the little girls as cute. :p

or the implication that if they were ugly little brats it would be OK to be a dick.
Everybody knows it's okay to pick on ugly brats. ;) (/kidding)

These documents do not display, and I can't find a button that would let me open or download them. So...care to try again?

Also, do you know how to copy/paste from a pdf file? A lot of people don't. There's an "I-beam" tool in the adobe pdf toolbar that will let you select text in the pdf and copy/paste it as text into any word processing program (.doc, .txt, .rtf) from which you could paste it into a post here. You might even be able to paste it directly into a post from the pdf. You will lose any formatting and special fonts, but it will still be perfectly usable.

Don't forget to show the source/authorship of the documents as well.


No one else had a problem getting the documents. The authorship is the United States Secret Service, as is the source. As you can see from the PDFs.

Yeah, I never know anything, or have any connections...

When you wrote this, were you thinking that people would be awed and impressed? I mean were you imagining in your fantasy land - the one where your vomitous spew of trolling, lying, obfuscation and downright stupidity makes perfect sense - that we'd all go "Holy shit! That guy has connections!"?

That was part of the opinion part of the statement. I accept that cuteness is in the eye of the beholder and that a beholder who is a tool might not perceive the little girls as cute. :p

Kids are not cute, they're annoying at most and slightly tolerable at the least.

Now kittens and puppies....


Everybody knows it's okay to pick on ugly brats. ;) (/kidding)

That was the lesson I learned in Middle and High School. :(

No one else had a problem getting the documents. The authorship is the United States Secret Service, as is the source. As you can see from the PDFs.
Except of course for the part where I can't see the pdfs because, as I said, they are not displaying and I can't find the function that would let me download them. Not being helpful is also part of your operating procedure now? Also, how do you know others have not had a problem getting the documents? I don't see anyone else talking about them. If someone else has been able to view or download them, I wish they'd give me a hand with it.

EDIT: Yep, I tried three times now, and there is nothing on the pages that allows me to open/view or download the requested documents. So there is no way for me to tell whether they say what you claim they say or are what you say they are, unless this problem can be gotten around.

Except of course for the part where I can't see the pdfs because, as I said, they are not displaying and I can't find the function that would let me download them. Not being helpful is also part of your operating procedure now? Also, how do you know others have not had a problem getting the documents? I don't see anyone else talking about them. If someone else has been able to view or download them, I wish they'd give me a hand with it.

Let's see if I can attach one directly to a post.

Let's see if I can attach one directly to a post.
Thank you, that worked.

That document is a 3-page Secret Service press release.

It is not an internal document. It does not require any special connections to get access to. It is specifically designed for public consumption because it is information released to the press -- you know, a press release, like it says on page 1.

It outlines briefly the security measures that are being implemented for the inauguration. And not surprisingly, it does not contradict anything the media have been saying, so it does not support your claims to know things that do contradict what the media have been saying.

In addition, it has absolutely not one blessed thing to do with the security measures currently in place for the Obamas at the Hay Adams, nor does it have anything to do with security at Blair House. So it not only does not support your claims about that, it is also is entirely irrelevant to the present conversation. Just like all the rest of your argument.

Thank you, that worked.

That document is a 3-page Secret Service press release.

It is not an internal document. It does not require any special connections to get access to.

Oh YEAH? But you had trouble accessing the file. See, he's got top secret ultra security clearance and that proves it!

Thank you, that worked.

That document is a 3-page Secret Service press release.

It is not an internal document. It does not require any special connections to get access to. It is specifically designed for public consumption because it is information released to the press -- you know, a press release, like it says on page 1.

It outlines briefly the security measures that are being implemented for the inauguration. And not surprisingly, it does not contradict anything the media have been saying, so it does not support your claims to know things that do contradict what the media have been saying.

In addition, it has absolutely not one blessed thing to do with the security measures currently in place for the Obamas at the Hay Adams, nor does it have anything to do with security at Blair House. So it not only does not support your claims about that, it is also is entirely irrelevant to the present conversation. Just like all the rest of your argument.

I would have attached the other two, which make your comments here look idiotic, but the limit on attachments to the forum is 100K. They're bigger than that.
They're all relevant, because it's "extra". No matter where he goes, there will be "extra" security above that which any ordinary President has ever received.

Oh YEAH? But you had trouble accessing the file. See, he's got top secret ultra security clearance and that proves it!
Oh, I see, when he said "connections" he was talking about his internet connection and browser. :p

I would have attached the other two, which make your comments here look idiotic, but the limit on attachments to the forum is 100K. They're bigger than that.
They're all relevant, because it's "extra". No matter where he goes, there will be "extra" security above that which any ordinary President has ever received.
*tumbling and crashing noises* Oh, I'm sorry, I actually fell off my chair laughing at that one.

Hint: I already posted instructions on how to copy/paste quotes from pdfs.

I would have attached the other two, which make your comments here look idiotic, but the limit on attachments to the forum is 100K. They're bigger than that.
They're all relevant, because it's "extra". No matter where he goes, there will be "extra" security above that which any ordinary President has ever received.
the question that begs to be asked is


SO WHAT?

what does this extra security have to do with being denied the opportunity to get into blair house early?

Oh, I see, when he said "connections" he was talking about his internet connection and browser. :p

And here you thought he was just a 56k guy. Don't underestimate him, he is more powerful than you think!

the question that begs to be asked is


SO WHAT?

what does this extra security have to do with being denied the opportunity to get into blair house early?

Because the other poster said that the Hay Adams required "extra" security, and that this was costing "extra".

Hells bells, the whole inauguration is going to cost more than most of the previous inaugurations put together precisely because of "extra" security - not because of Bush, but because "he's Obama".

They're even going to upgrade the White House security features because "he's Obama". That's going to cost extra.

So don't bring up "extra" as a "Bush sucks" item.

the question that begs to be asked is


SO WHAT?

what does this extra security have to do with being denied the opportunity to get into blair house early?
Nothing. They have not one single, blessed, iota of relevance to the Blair House question. The two topics don't share so much as a lint on their lapels in common.

Nothing. They have not one single, blessed, iota of relevance to the Blair House question. The two topics don't share so much as a lint on their lapels in common.

You're the one who brought up the "extra" cost.

It's "extra" because he's Obama.

Because the other poster said that the Hay Adams required "extra" security, and that this was costing "extra".

Hells bells, the whole inauguration is going to cost more than most of the previous inaugurations put together precisely because of "extra" security - not because of Bush, but because "he's Obama".

They're even going to upgrade the White House security features because "he's Obama". That's going to cost extra.

So don't bring up "extra" as a "Bush sucks" item.
im sure that you are happy to have something that you can be right about (even if you are only right by twisting the topic)

but the extra cost of the hay adams is a minor issue to anyone who finds it dickish to deny the obamas the use of blair house.

im sure that you are happy to have something that you can be right about (even if you are only right by twisting the topic)

but the extra cost of the hay adams is a minor issue to anyone who finds it dickish to deny the obamas the use of blair house.

Still no proof that it was an intentional dick thing. Still waiting for that proof... of course, Murayvets says that it's her opinion - so unlike me or you, she doesn't need to prove anything that she posts.

Still no proof that it was an intentional dick thing. Still waiting for that proof... of course, Murayvets says that it's her opinion - so unlike me or you, she doesn't need to prove anything that she posts.
well there is no proof that it was the bushes who made the decision. it may well have been a dick move on the part of one of his whitehouse staff who would have been contacted about it. but the bushes sure didnt change arrangements when they did find out about it.

and that is dickish.

being a dick doesnt require bad motives. sometimes you are just naturally a dick.

Murayvets says that it's her opinion - so unlike me or you, she doesn't need to prove anything that she posts.

Prove it. And if you can't, shut the fuck up.

Because the other poster said that the Hay Adams required "extra" security, and that this was costing "extra".
Right. The Hay Adams Hotel. Not the inauguration event. Two different things. Not related to each other.

Also, the document you posted does not show anything "extra" in the security measures for the inauguration. It contains no comparison to other inauguration events, so there is nothing in it to indicate anything "extra" for Obama.

Plus, in case you missed it before, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the situation at the Hay Adams right now.

Hells bells, the whole inauguration is going to cost more than most of the previous inaugurations put together precisely because of "extra" security - not because of Bush, but because "he's Obama".
That is not indicated in the press release you posted.

They're even going to upgrade the White House security features because "he's Obama". That's going to cost extra.

So don't bring up "extra" as a "Bush sucks" item.
Another point not indicated in the press release you posted. Once again, you have posted "proof" that is utterly unrelated to your claims while still stubbornly insisting on those claims, which remain unsupported by anything but your say-so.

I really didn't think it would be possible for you to embarrass yourself after all this time on NSG, but you're doing it this week, DK, and how. Great way to kick off a new year.

Prove it. And if you can't, shut the fuck up.

And now you're going to try to pretend that when a person states clearly that they are stating a personal opinion, what they're really doing is making an assertion of fact.

She was trying to weasel out of her assertion that Bush made an intentional dick move keeping Obama out of the Blair House, and when called on it, said that it was "opinion" that didn't need to be backed up.

It's not a valid defense in an argument. If she can't back up an assertion, then it's invalid.

Proven.

She was trying to weasel out of her assertion that Bush made an intentional dick move keeping Obama out of the Blair House, and when called on it, said that it was "opinion" that didn't need to be backed up.

It's not a valid defense in an argument. If she can't back up an assertion, then it's invalid.

Proven.
And now you are just plain lying. I stated an OPINION. NOT A FACT. Opinions do not require the same level of support that assertions of fact do. You asserted facts about Blair House and about what was going on at the Hay Adams. I did not. Get it through your skull.

Get this through your skull too: Pretending I said something I didn't, does not make you look like anything but a bullshit artist.

It would be easy to argue that Bush is the most hated President we've had, and yet I see no "extra" security at the level which Obama is receiving.

That's because Bush doesn't deserve any, and deep down they know that.

And now you are just plain lying. I stated an OPINION. NOT A FACT. Opinions do not require the same level of support that assertions of fact do. You asserted facts about Blair House and about what was going on at the Hay Adams. I did not. Get it through your skull.

Get this through your skull too: Pretending I said something I didn't, does not make you look like anything but a bullshit artist.

Saying in retrospect that what you posted is an opinion and thus requires no proof is a lame debate tactic.

That's because Bush doesn't deserve any, and deep down they know that.

BTW, starting with the current Bush, and for any President thereafter, the Secret Service protection only extends 10 years past the President's last day in office.

She was trying to weasel out of her assertion that Bush made an intentional dick move keeping Obama out of the Blair House, and when called on it, said that it was "opinion" that didn't need to be backed up.

It's not a valid defense in an argument. If she can't back up an assertion, then it's invalid.

Proven.

No, she was quite clearly stating an opinion. Which you've since asked her to prove.

Since opinions need proof these days, I'm asking to provide proof for your opinion. Which you haven't done yet.

So, like I said; proof or shut the fuck up.

Saying in retrospect that what you posted is an opinion and thus requires no proof is a lame debate tactic.
It's not in restrospect, you <list flames here>! It's been clear from my first post and I have reiterated it constantly throughout. I'm not trying to recharacterize anything. I've been saying the same thing from the start.

And I am tired of your crap. Seriously. Get a fucking argument or go to hell. I'm so done with you. You made claims that were obvious shit. You claimed to have special knowledge to support it. Under pressure you provided non-special information that is not what you claimed it would be. And now you're lying about my statements (the truth of which are available right here for all to see) in a pathetic attempt to make this be about me and not you and your failure.

Gods, you are boring. Arguing with my cat is more engaging than chasing you around in your tight little circles.

That's because Bush doesn't deserve any, and deep down they know that.
bush has his own human shield named cheney.

bush has his own human shield named cheney.
That's the truth -- except maybe for the human part. ;)

bush has his own human shield named cheney.

How much damage can Dick do in 12 days without a shotgun?

How much damage can Dick do in 12 days without a shotgun?
Bite your tongue! That's one question I never want to know the answer to.

And I am tired of your crap. Seriously. Get a fucking argument or go to hell. I'm so done with you. You made claims that were obvious shit. You claimed to have special knowledge to support it. Under pressure you provided non-special information that is not what you claimed it would be. And now you're lying about my statements (the truth of which are available right here for all to see) in a pathetic attempt to make this be about me and not you and your failure.

Gods, you are boring. Arguing with my cat is more engaging than chasing you around in your tight little circles.

... and with that, you've crossed the line, Muravyets. No matter how pathetically Hotwife's logic approached the question, it was nonetheless predicated around the argument. You've turned it around to an attack on the poster.

Knock it off. Now. You know better than to riposte from anger.

... and with that, you've crossed the line, Muravyets. No matter how pathetically Hotwife's logic approached the question, it was nonetheless predicated around the argument. You've turned it around to an attack on the poster.

Knock it off. Now. You know better than to riposte from anger.

Are you a fan of Hotwife? She was provoked. I demand that you repeal the warning and warn Hotwife instead.

Pretending I said something I didn't, does not make you look like anything but a bullshit artist.

Prove it. And if you can't, shut the fuck up.

... of course, Murayvets says that it's her opinion - so unlike me or you, she doesn't need to prove anything that she posts.

It's not in restrospect, you <list flames here>! And I am tired of your crap. Seriously. Get a fucking argument or go to hell. I'm so done with you. You made claims that were obvious shit. And now you're lying ... <snip>Gods, you are boring. Arguing with my cat is more engaging than chasing you around in your tight little circles.

These are examples of where and how "vigorous argument" crosses the line into "flamebait".

CUT IT OUT, NOW.

Muravyets, if you can't interact civilly with Hotwife, admit it and put him on ignore before you earn yourself an infraction. You're not arguing, you're abusing. Stop.

Are you a fan of Hotwife? She was provoked. I demand that you repeal the warning and warn Hotwife instead.

Doesn't make it an excuse for flaming. As I've told you countless times, mods don't bend rules for anybody, or on the demand of you.

These are examples of where and how "vigorous argument" crosses the line into "flamebait".

CUT IT OUT, NOW.

Muravyets, if you can't interact civilly with Hotwife, admit it and put him on ignore before you earn yourself an infraction. You're not arguing, you're abusing. Stop.

Oh lookie, another member of the Hotwife Fan Club!

These are examples of where and how "vigorous argument" crosses the line into "flamebait".

CUT IT OUT, NOW.

Muravyets, if you can't interact civilly with Hotwife, admit it and put him on ignore before you earn yourself an infraction. You're not arguing, you're abusing. Stop.
what about my quote was flaimbait? i thought i was clarifying why mr bush can do a dick move without necessarily trying to insult mr obama. is it flaimbait to call mr bush a dick?

Doesn't make it an excuse for flaming. As I've told you countless times, mods don't bend rules for anybody, or on the demand of you.


Says the guy who flamed me via TGs.

Says the guy who flamed me via TGs.

I said "You fail." That's not a flame. It's a statement.

Are you a fan of Hotwife? She was provoked. I demand that you repeal the warning and warn Hotwife instead.

You don't "demand" anything. If you disagree with a mod ruling, you take it to the Moderation forum, and you do it civilly and sensibly, explaining your objection.

You have been here long enough to know that "he did it too" or "he started it" is not an excuse for over-reaction on any poster's part. Read The One-Stop Rules Shop. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023)

what about my quote was flaimbait? i thought i was clarifying why mr bush can do a dick move without necessarily trying to insult mr obama. is it flaimbait to call mr bush a dick?

Sorry, Ashmoria. In the flurry I misread it as referring to Hotwife, not Bush. My apologies; I'll edit it out.

Sorry, Ashmoria. In the flurry I misread it as referring to Hotwife, not Bush. My apologies; I'll edit it out.
ahhh ok. no problem then.

... and with that, you've crossed the line, Muravyets. No matter how pathetically Hotwife's logic approached the question, it was nonetheless predicated around the argument. You've turned it around to an attack on the poster.

Knock it off. Now. You know better than to riposte from anger.

These are examples of where and how "vigorous argument" crosses the line into "flamebait".

CUT IT OUT, NOW.

Muravyets, if you can't interact civilly with Hotwife, admit it and put him on ignore before you earn yourself an infraction. You're not arguing, you're abusing. Stop.
I will abide by the instruction although I wish to go on record as disagreeing with the moderators' interpretation. I reacted in anger, but I was flamebaited, not the other way around. Rising to the bait is a fault, and for that, I apologize to the forum. But I believe Hotwife is equally at fault for provocation.

That said, I will refer to the thread topic and state for the record:

It is my opinion that denying the Obamas accommodation in Blair House before the 15th was a petty little dick move and nothing more.

Further, I stand by my dismissal of Hotwife's arguments as irrelevant to the topic and consisting of nothing but unsupported assertions.

Finally, as Hotwife has failed to redeem his argument, either by supporting it or making it relevant to the topic, I will make that dismissal final and no longer engage him on this topic.

Support the troops and their conflict or you're evil

Fixed

www.howobamawon.com

This isn't a website! Its a link farm!

My fault. I guess the site was moved. I apologize.

I'm getting sick from the Obama hype.

When he's farting, you can be sure it is in the news.

To me, this isn't really Obama hype.

You seppos are a bunch of whingers.

""The Blair House is owned by the American People!

"We have elected Mr Obama as our next president, yet this administration lets Mr Howard stay at Blair House! Move his backside to a hotel. Let the little girls and their family - the Obama's - have Blair House.""

Well fuck ya. We can sell our wool, livestock, grain and most importantly, coal and uranium to the Chinese.

I for one heartily support Mr Howards final "Fuck you" to the people that didn't like him.

What I can't understand is why Howard wouldn't just say "you can have it".

This is an outrage! Just because Obama is black he has to wait for the white man to get out of the Blair House so he can stay there until the white man moves out of the White House! If this isn't racism...

I don't think it's racism. It's just stupidity and asshole-ery.

Yeah, we're treating him like a god just because we think he shouldn't be forced to stay in a hotel when every other president-elect is housed in the Blair house until they take office. :rolleyes:

QFT.

With a bit of luck, Obama will turn out as well for you as Rudd did for us.

:/

My fault. I guess the site was moved. I apologize.

'Apologise' is good. Go back and delete the link (and hopefully, place a real one in it's place?) is better.

Yeah, we're treating him like a god just because we think he shouldn't be forced to stay in a hotel when every other president-elect is housed in the Blair house until they take office

There is a simple explanation. Most Presidents don't go to Washington until a few days before inauguration.

With that in mind they offered the house to Howard for the night of the 12th.

Then when Obama decided he wanted to turn up earlier than historically normal it all flamingoed up.

What I can't understand is why Howard wouldn't just say "you can have it".
he didnt know. now its too late.

he didnt know. now its too late.

At this point he must be wondering: "When will Bush stop using me as a prop to attack people with Hussein as part of their name?"

At this point he must be wondering: "When will Bush stop using me as a prop to attack people with Hussein as part of their name?"
he's probably just hoping that they have some good grub at the awards dinner. he'd probably have loved to share blair house with new guy. he could have asked for his autograph.

he's probably just hoping that they have some good grub at the awards dinner. he'd probably have loved to share blair house with new guy. he could have asked for his autograph.
I feel kind of sorry for Howard, rattling around that big house all by himself.

I feel kind of sorry for Howard, rattling around that big house all by himself.
yeah.

well he shouldnt be spending much time there. i think its just overnight on the 12th .... although withthe award ceremony on the 13th maybe he is staying a 2nd night? i dont know how these things work.

I like how Jon Stewart described it. One last dick move for the outgoing presidency.
^ ^
This.

I think the hotel he is staying at is in the article. If not just do a search according to the Australian media the American media is all over this story
Funny... I hadn't heard about this until I read the thread tonight. Can't be much of a firestorm if it's not even being discussed...

I'm an American and I think Obama is far from a god. I agree that far too many people are putting this man on a golden plate and worshiping him. Just because he's black that makes him better? Equal rights my foot. Hell, I have already heard the excusses that his "supporters" are going to use when he fails, "It's not his fault. He just was stuck cleaning up after all of Bush's messes." What a load of crap.

You know what Obama and Kennedy have in common?
Nothing... yet.
No, just because he's not Bush or any of his lackeys, he's better.

Obvious, no?

No, just because he's not Bush or any of his lackeys, he's better.

Obvious, no?Don't jinx it, don't jinx it! *warding against teh ebuhl*

I have no love for John Howard, but I can't help but smile about this story.

Sorry, that joke wasn't funny either. Maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet. And yes, I was pointing out that it was pointless spending. Avoidable spending, too.

EDIT: I think many Americans have lost the ability to laugh at Bush's little foibles anymore. We're just so tired of his shit.

I am off aren't I? I am going to blame the cold I have and the fact that I am tired.

Well it wasn't really Bush's follies it was more the fact that Blair House wasn't booked already for the Presidetn elect, because it is not as if we knew that there would be a new President since 2004.

I feel kind of sorry for Howard, rattling around that big house all by himself.

Well he has his wife, but not an entourage as some media sources claimed.

Funny... I hadn't heard about this until I read the thread tonight. Can't be much of a firestorm if it's not even being discussed...

Yeah I have the feeling the Australian media was exageratting the outrage. Just par the course for them to make stuff up.

yeah.

well he shouldnt be spending much time there. i think its just overnight on the 12th .... although withthe award ceremony on the 13th maybe he is staying a 2nd night? i dont know how these things work.

According to reports he is only staying there the one night.

According to reports he is only staying there the one night.
is there any report on what else he might be doing while he's here?

he's not going to pick up his medal and go right home is he?

is there any report on what else he might be doing while he's here?

he's not going to pick up his medal and go right home is he?

Booby Trapping the House perhaps?

I am off aren't I? I am going to blame the cold I have and the fact that I am tired.

Well it wasn't really Bush's follies it was more the fact that Blair House wasn't booked already for the Presidetn elect, because it is not as if we knew that there would be a new President since 2004.

As I said before, if Obama followed the same habits of most Presidents it wouldn't have clashed. He turned up earlier than most.

is there any report on what else he might be doing while he's here?

he's not going to pick up his medal and go right home is he?

Well no there isn't we don't have the habit of telling everyone what former PMs are doing. But as I say there is only the report that he is only staying there the one night. Maybe he will pop up to New York and see the UN Ambassador Robert Hill or even John Olsen.

Or as Exilia and Colonies said booby trapping the house

As I said before, if Obama followed the same habits of most Presidents it wouldn't have clashed. He turned up earlier than most.

Yes true, true. You would think Obama would have already thought about this and planned it a lot earlier and one of the first things when planning his move (within the first few days of winning the election if not thinking about it before) was when he would have to move up there for the kids to start school. He should have booked it back in November.

Yes true, true. You would think Obama would have already thought about this and planned it a lot earlier and one of the first things when planning his move (within the first few days of winning the election if not thinking about it before) was when he would have to move up there for the kids to start school. He should have booked it back in November.

obviously bush is at fault. how dare he put showing respect to a former head of state above planning for the unknown plans of Obama.

obviously bush is at fault. how dare he put showing respect to a former head of state above planning for the unknown plans of Obama.

At least ;eave a hint to what you are trying to say

At least ;eave a hint to what you are trying to say

i might be frunk

i might be frunk

Hey, cool so am i though i can feel it starting to wear off.

*goes and gets another beer* You want one?