NationStates Jolt Archive


Maryjane and MA

IL Ruffino
05-01-2009, 04:50
So now that it's legal to have a little weed in MA, how do you get it? Does Walmart have it?
Myedvedeya
05-01-2009, 04:51
Knowing US law, it's probably still illegal to buy it.
Dimesa
05-01-2009, 04:52
Maybe it's legal to grow it?
Peisandros
05-01-2009, 05:30
I wish it was legal here for medicinal use.. But that'll never happen.
Indecline
05-01-2009, 05:44
Could you link an article? To what point is it legal?

From my understanding, most states that decriminalize the posession of marijuana do so only for medicinal uses. I suppose there will be a crop of dispenseries popping up over the next while to provide for those (un)lucky enough to have a perscription signed out to them...

I'm just glad that I live in a province where a bag of AAA-grade smoke is easier to get than a good bottle of Tequilla..
Saige Dragon
05-01-2009, 05:56
So now that it's legal to have a little weed in MA, how do you get it? Does Walmart have it?

Yea, one isle over from the frozen foods section, just down from the shower curtains over by the fishing tackle.
Torcharyian
05-01-2009, 06:09
I know I voted for Marijauna to be legal and it passed in my state
Vetalia
05-01-2009, 06:17
"Excuse me, I would like to purchase some marijuana cigarettes. Do you know where I could find marijuana cigarettes?"
Gauthier
05-01-2009, 06:18
If it is legal in the state, you can replace "Masshole" with "Massterdam." What a win!
Sarkhaan
05-01-2009, 06:20
So now that it's legal to have a little weed in MA, how do you get it? Does Walmart have it?

It isn't legal. It's decriminalized. If you are caught with it, it is a $100 fine (for 1 oz or less) and you must surrender it.

However, because of how the law is written, it's almost impossible to enforce.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/01/03/police_balk_at_ticketing_marijuana_offenders/
Landrian
05-01-2009, 06:23
Right. Its not legal now. They just won't arrest you for it on the spot.
VirginiaCooper
05-01-2009, 06:24
The idea isn't to get people smoking, its to relieve the clog in the judicial system that results from having so many middle and high schoolers tried for possession of a bit of weed.

Sorry, I forgot to mention "children at heart".
IL Ruffino
05-01-2009, 06:29
It isn't legal. It's decriminalized. If you are caught with it, it is a $100 fine (for 1 oz or less) and you must surrender it.

However, because of how the law is written, it's almost impossible to enforce.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/01/03/police_balk_at_ticketing_marijuana_offenders/

Ah.

That's sucks.
Indecline
05-01-2009, 06:35
However, because of how the law is written, it's almost impossible to enforce.


Oh, those party-poopers at the DEA won't hesitate, I'm sure...
New Genoa
05-01-2009, 08:42
I like weed.
The Emmerian Unions
05-01-2009, 08:47
I personaly think the US gov't should legalize ALL current illegal drugs to make people stop taking them. Legalization of illegal items makes said item lose it's "cool" factor.
Vault 10
05-01-2009, 09:29
There are a few extreme drugs that would better stay illegal. "One-shot addiction" ones (actually not one, but a few) - these are NOT taken for the cool factor.


Otherwise though it's always everyone's own choice anyway. MJ isn't any worse than alcohol, so its criminalization is pretty arbitrary.
30-30-150
05-01-2009, 18:57
I personaly think the US gov't should legalize ALL current illegal drugs to make people stop taking them. Legalization of illegal items makes said item lose it's "cool" factor.

Yeah but who takes drugs 'cause it cool anyway? That's just the governments propaganda/anti drug campaigns notion.
Saige Dragon
05-01-2009, 20:36
Yeah but who takes drugs 'cause it cool anyway? That's just the governments propaganda/anti drug campaigns notion.

It's really the other way around eh? People don't take drugs because drugs are cool. People take drugs because people are cool. Like that dude on crystal meth... who has no teeth... and therefore doesn't need to see the dentist. He's beat the system. :p
30-30-150
05-01-2009, 20:40
It's really the other way around eh? People don't take drugs because drugs are cool. People take drugs because people are cool. Like that dude on crystal meth... who has no teeth... and therefore doesn't need to see the dentist. He's beat the system. :p

Oh he beat the system big time, he's propa gangsta
New Wallonochia
05-01-2009, 21:16
Oh, those party-poopers at the DEA won't hesitate, I'm sure...

The DEA can't enforce state laws, only federal laws.
Minoriteeburg
05-01-2009, 23:12
Ah.

That's sucks.


..and I almost planned a trip to MA. :(
Cameroi
06-01-2009, 06:31
The DEA can't enforce state laws, only federal laws.

which (in this instance) unfortunately, refuse to recognize the rights of states and remain unchanged.
VirginiaCooper
06-01-2009, 06:37
which (in this instance) unfortunately, refuse to recognize the rights of states and remain unchanged.

I really think the DEA has much much MUCH better things to do than go to MA and bust a bunch of small time pot smokers. At the very least they would find dealers.

And just in case anyone was thinking of setting up shop, the law does not decriminalize all amounts of weed, just the very small amounts (for personal use). If you're a dealer, you're still a criminal.
New Wallonochia
06-01-2009, 06:43
which (in this instance) unfortunately, refuse to recognize the rights of states and remain unchanged.

Indeed. One of those instances of Uncle Sam sticking his nose where it doesn't belong.
Peisandros
06-01-2009, 09:16
I like weed.

This.
One-O-One
06-01-2009, 10:22
I wish it was legal here for medicinal use.. But that'll never happen.

Not with a certain party in power, it won't.:(
Rotovia-
06-01-2009, 11:23
Possession of small amounts is technically decriminalised in Queensland, I don't feel like paying a fine though, and our Police do enough tacking on whatever other charges they can
Peisandros
06-01-2009, 11:25
Not with a certain party in power, it won't.:(

True. If the greens had some epic rise to power, could happen. But yeah, not likely.
SaintB
06-01-2009, 11:37
True. If the greens had some epic rise to power, could happen. But yeah, not likely.

If the greens had some epic rise to power I'm moving to Cambodia...
Peisandros
06-01-2009, 12:05
If the greens had some epic rise to power I'm moving to Cambodia...

NZ politics affects you that much?

Weird. Very, very weird.
SaintB
06-01-2009, 12:27
NZ politics affects you that much?

Weird. Very, very weird.

The Green Party in the US is nothing but trolls in disguise, and I'm not talking about the cute ones with pot bellies and smiles that were all the rage in the 90's, I'm talking about the slimy regenerating kind that eat human beings for meals!
Minoriteeburg
06-01-2009, 18:02
If the greens had some epic rise to power I'm moving to Cambodia...

and the man for that rise to power.....Ralph Nader.
New Genoa
07-01-2009, 01:03
and the man for that rise to power.....Ralph Nader.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/nader
Nanatsu no Tsuki
07-01-2009, 01:12
Knowing US law, it's probably still illegal to buy it.

I think you need some sort of card that specifies you're a med marihuana user, stamped by a doctor and all.
Myedvedeya
07-01-2009, 01:27
I think you need some sort of card that specifies you're a med marihuana user, stamped by a doctor and all.

I have an epileptic friend in NYC, where med is not legal, who was told by her doctor "I prescribe that you go onto the street, find a drug dealer, and score some pot..." Apparently it helps with the seizures.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
07-01-2009, 01:29
I have an epileptic friend in NYC, where med is not legal, who was told by her doctor "I prescribe that you go onto the street, find a drug dealer, and score some pot..." Apparently it helps with the seizures.

Oh, and if your buddy gets caught by the police, the same doctor will grow rich trying to cure the ensuing seizures your friend will get from being busted buying pot.:eek:
Myedvedeya
07-01-2009, 01:30
Oh, and if your buddy gets caught by the police, the same doctor will grow rich trying to cure the ensuing seizures your friend will get from being busted buying pot.:eek:

Quite probably. She'll probably get caught sooner or later, I've seen her walk by a cop while smoking a joint on various occasions, stop, wish the officer a good morning, and walk away.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
07-01-2009, 01:31
Quite probably. She'll probably get caught sooner or later, I've seen her walk by a cop while smoking a joint on various occasions, stop, wish the officer a good morning, and walk away.

That's so inane, I like it and I like your friend.:D
Payne Terra
07-01-2009, 01:38
I wish it was legal here for medicinal use.. But that'll never happen.

Why do people need pot to be legal for medicinal use? You can get the same effect from taking medicine that has the THC in it.
The Emmerian Unions
07-01-2009, 01:44
There are a few extreme drugs that would better stay illegal. "One-shot addiction" ones (actually not one, but a few) - these are NOT taken for the cool factor.


Otherwise though it's always everyone's own choice anyway. MJ isn't any worse than alcohol, so its criminalization is pretty arbitrary.

I was referenceing the illegalization of Alcohol during US Prohibition. Alcohol was deemed cool and actuly had MORE comsumptin then before it. Then once Prohibition was repealled Alcohol comsumption declined a bit.
Vetalia
07-01-2009, 02:34
I was referenceing the illegalization of Alcohol during US Prohibition. Alcohol was deemed cool and actuly had MORE comsumptin then before it. Then once Prohibition was repealled Alcohol comsumption declined a bit.

That's true, but some drugs are too dangerous to legalize; the costs they would place on society through legalization are definitely higher than the amounts saved by no longer spending money suppressing them. In fact, I think legalizing marijuana alone would free up sufficient resources to win the drug war or at least come damn close. There's some absurd number of people in jail for marijuana offenses who have literally committed no crime through their actions; marijuana is not addictive, is no more dangerous than tobacco and does not cause any dangerous behavior that could harm other people. These are facts, making marijuana consumption a truly victimless "crime".

Every dollar, trial or prison cell not wasted on a non-addictive plant with useful medicinal and psychiatric uses is one that could be used to clamp down on dangerous drugs like methamphetamine, cocaine or heroin. The taxes collected on its sale could be used for further campaigns against the real dangerous substances; that is, of course, provided they are reasonable and don't drive the market undergound
The Emmerian Unions
07-01-2009, 02:39
Every dollar, trial or prison cell not wasted on a non-addictive plant with useful medicinal and psychiatric uses is one that could be used to clamp down on dangerous drugs like methamphetamine, cocaine or heroin. The taxes collected on its sale could be used for further campaigns against the real dangerous substances; that is, of course, provided they are reasonable and don't drive the market undergound

And also the taxes that we could collect could fund more effecient power plants, or better weaponry.
Peisandros
07-01-2009, 04:49
Why do people need pot to be legal for medicinal use? You can get the same effect from taking medicine that has the THC in it.

They're illegal here too, as far as I know.
Knights of Liberty
07-01-2009, 04:52
Quite probably. She'll probably get caught sooner or later, I've seen her walk by a cop while smoking a joint on various occasions, stop, wish the officer a good morning, and walk away.

I assure you, cops in NYC have so many bigger problems to worry about that they probably just cant be assed to take the time to book her.

Why do people need pot to be legal for medicinal use? You can get the same effect from taking medicine that has the THC in it.

It being an effective, cheap, non-addictive pain killer, for starters.
One-O-One
07-01-2009, 04:57
True. If the greens had some epic rise to power, could happen. But yeah, not likely.

Ugh. No thanks. I find the Greens too green-orientated personally. Funny that. I'd personally like to see an Alliance rise to power, which is unlikely to ever happen unless a proper Great Depression thing starts happening.
One-O-One
07-01-2009, 05:04
They're illegal here too, as far as I know.

Savitex or some other such pharmaceutical crap, http://norml.org.nz/article682.html if you're interested. But that means it's absorbed by the muscous membranes, and is a lot different because of the way your liver processes it. Where as if you smoke or vaporise, it bypasses that and has very different effects. I.e. "body high" and "head high".

I bet you pharmaceutical companies are threatened by this, and if they don't have a product already, they're developing it while lobbying against marijuana legalisation. [/conspiracy theorist.]
Minoriteeburg
07-01-2009, 05:12
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/nader

I found that very disturbing.
Peisandros
07-01-2009, 12:30
Ugh. No thanks. I find the Greens too green-orientated personally. Funny that. I'd personally like to see an Alliance rise to power, which is unlikely to ever happen unless a proper Great Depression thing starts happening.

Bit left wing then huh? Haha, but yeah Alliance would be cool. But they need to get back with Jim Anderton, I love that guy. I would enjoy seeing Alliance/Progressive having the same kind of popularity Act has.

Savitex or some other such pharmaceutical crap, http://norml.org.nz/article682.html if you're interested. But that means it's absorbed by the muscous membranes, and is a lot different because of the way your liver processes it. Where as if you smoke or vaporise, it bypasses that and has very different effects. I.e. "body high" and "head high".

I saw that.. Is it actually legal now? Last time I saw it, it was just recommended by the Ministry of Health (I think) that it become legal.
Hayteria
08-01-2009, 01:41
I personaly think the US gov't should legalize ALL current illegal drugs to make people stop taking them. Legalization of illegal items makes said item lose it's "cool" factor.
What makes you think people are only taking them to be "cool"? I would've thought wanting to experience what a high of a certain drug is like has more to do with it than wanting to be "cool"; if I were to ever try weed that would probably be my reason. (Granted, that doesn't mean it would be everyone else's...)
Yootopia
08-01-2009, 01:42
I wish it was legal here for medicinal use.. But that'll never happen.
That's pretty stupid. If people need it for a medical reason, and nothing else will suffice, why the hell not?
Vetalia
08-01-2009, 01:43
Why do people need pot to be legal for medicinal use? You can get the same effect from taking medicine that has the THC in it.

There are other compounds in marijuana that may have their own effects above and beyond that of just THC. It's sort of like how eating a piece of fruit or a vegetable is more nutritious and beneficial to your health than just taking a pill that contains the most prominent vitamins and none of the other compounds.
Peisandros
08-01-2009, 03:37
That's pretty stupid. If people need it for a medical reason, and nothing else will suffice, why the hell not?

Sorry, what part did you find stupid? The fact I think it should be legal for medical use, or that it'll probably never happen?
Sarkhaan
08-01-2009, 03:45
That's pretty stupid. If people need it for a medical reason, and nothing else will suffice, why the hell not?
Interestingly enough, they do sell synthetic THC under the tradename Marinol. My father had a few patients on it...several of which were hardcore drug addicts at one time or another. These drug addicts would usually not continue to take the pill form because it got them too high and was extremely uncomfortable. Most of these patients used their own weed instead.

What I don't get is that we have recognized that THC is a valuable medicine and sell it in form A, but not in form B. Weed also has other chemicals besides THC which are thought or known to have medicinal uses.
Nova Magna Germania
08-01-2009, 06:20
So now that it's legal to have a little weed in MA, how do you get it? Does Walmart have it?

Actually it would be great if Walmart sold it up here. Pot made in China.