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the popularity of doomsday, nostradamus, ect will be hit hard enough they will shut up for awhile?


seriously, they are not even giving themselves enough time to die anymore, and when they are wrong they come back a few years later with a new date, and people buy into it. its annoying.:mad:

Nope.

Yes, but only because the world will end in 2012 meaning there won't be any one left to predict its onset.

No, it won't.. people will buy into the next stupid thoery.

Yes, but only because the world will end in 2012 meaning there won't be any one left to predict its onset.

At this point I'm hoping that's what happens.

its never stopped people before.

theyll just think up a new date for the end of everything

A Nuclear War?

The world ended on 6/6/06, what are you people talking about?

Yep. Lots of Nukes. Dondolastan barely survived. ;)

The world ended on 6/6/06, what are you people talking about?

didn't it end in 2000? I thought that is what the nostradumbasses claimed.

or was it that sadam was the anti-christ....or was that bush....wait regen?

IT Was obama...

I am real curious what kind of crap they will claim once 2012 rolls by and nothing happens.
What irks me a bit is that on the History channel I believe they have a whole show dedicated to the 2012 myth showing Monday night. The media is to blame for the hysteria surrounding this 2012 nonsense. Although can't help to blame the stupid people that buy into it.

The world ended on January 1st in the year 45AD. We are all in The Matrix! All hail our Robotic Overlords.

No!

Anyone remember the claim that Earth would have massive Earthquakes and bad weather due to the planets aligning? Trying to think if that was in the 80's or not. Was stupid so I forgot about it....

I am real curious what kind of crap they will claim once 2012 rolls by and nothing happens.
What irks me a bit is that on the History channel I believe they have a whole show dedicated to the 2012 myth showing Monday night. The media is to blame for the hysteria surrounding this 2012 nonsense. Although can't help to blame the stupid people that buy into it.

it is showing tonight here...tried to watch it and started falling asleep. thus the abomination of a topic. I was hoping they would address the other doomsday claims made by followers of nostradamus, but it didnt look like they were even going to be punching holes in the current claim so I stopped.

I am hoping 2012 gets hyped to the point nostradamus is at least taken out.

it is showing tonight here...tried to watch it and started falling asleep. thus the abomination of a topic. I was hoping they would address the other doomsday claims made by followers of nostradamus, but it didnt look like they were even going to be punching holes in the current claim so I stopped.

I am hoping 2012 gets hyped to the point nostradamus is at least taken out.


The followers of Nostradamus will take a severe hit however something tells me that they still will believe. However the one thing that will take a deathblow is the Mayan Prophecies.

Bah, We'll be fine.

Now what if something did happen? What if world peace occurs in 2012? That would be the end of the world as we know it, it would be a whole new world.

See the thing is that the Mayans said that the winter solstice in 2012 (dec 21st) would be the end of the Fifth (? I think) world, and we would move into the Sixth world. Now what that means, I don't know. Maybe that's when telepathy will come into play or we start evolving. Who knows? Maybe a big change really will happen come 2012. The way things are going, that seems to be the case.

I've got an old bomb shelter in my back yard, with room to spare. Any takers?

Palin 0-12?!

RUN!!!!

It's coming sooner than you think, reserve your place with Vault-Tec today! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrAJVRqZQ04)

Well of the people I know who believe the 2012 thing, none of them believe it's about the end of the world. They believe in some vague occurrence that is supposed to change the world. And all because mayans ran out of carving stone thousands of years ago.

I am real curious what kind of crap they will claim once 2012 rolls by and nothing happens.
What irks me a bit is that on the History channel I believe they have a whole show dedicated to the 2012 myth showing Monday night. The media is to blame for the hysteria surrounding this 2012 nonsense. Although can't help to blame the stupid people that buy into it.
Oh, it's a whole Armageddon Week on History Channel. They always do that for the new year. :D

it is showing tonight here...tried to watch it and started falling asleep. thus the abomination of a topic. I was hoping they would address the other doomsday claims made by followers of nostradamus, but it didnt look like they were even going to be punching holes in the current claim so I stopped.

I am hoping 2012 gets hyped to the point nostradamus is at least taken out.
I was watching it, too, until my mom called to tell me to switch over to the Superstars of Dance show because it was more fun.

I think that pretty much sums up the whole issue.

Hell no. You see, fifteen or twenty years from now people will rummage through Nostradamus' predictions and find another one to fit to a current event, magically showing his ability to predict the future even though they had no fucking idea what it meant the first time around.

Seeeeriously, people, you've been Sonculting the wrong sources! Surely you realise that 9/9/9 is awaiting us? And that 9/9/9, being 6/6/6 upside down, is the reversal of the Number of the Beast! Thus, on that date, all the Bad Stuff associated with 666 will be overturned!!

This is possibly thanks to everyone overthrowing the temples of the moneychangers, aka stock exchanges, or possibly, as has been suggested previously, to the extraordinary virtue of the 'Muricans in choosing Obama, whose name begins with a vowel, ends with a vowel and has a vowel in the middle!!! And they're practically Alpha and Omega, as well!!!!

Furthermore, this will leave us three years, three months and three days to get to 12/12/12: 333, get that? Meaning (a) that 12/12/12 will only be half as bad as 6/6/6, but also (b) that The Child born on 3/3/3 will be nine years old, and there are nine days between 12/12/12 and 21/12/12, and if you can scoff at something as clear as that, well, scoff on, you scoffing scoffer, but you'll be scoffing on the other side of your scoffing face come 21/12/12, let me tell you!!!!!

After all, isn't the phrase "a nine days' wonder" already in our language? And isn't it also said that "coming events cast their shadows"?

I rest my case.

PS: Here are some extra exclamation marks and italics, just in case: !!!!!!!!!!!!

Now what if something did happen? What if world peace occurs in 2012? That would be the end of the world as we know it, it would be a whole new world.

See the thing is that the Mayans said that the winter solstice in 2012 (dec 21st) would be the end of the Fifth (? I think) world, and we would move into the Sixth world. Now what that means, I don't know. Maybe that's when telepathy will come into play or we start evolving. Who knows? Maybe a big change really will happen come 2012. The way things are going, that seems to be the case.

Fucking ridiculous.

Just because we have some old calender and an old belief, doesn't mean it's right. Would you listen to someone who proclaimed doom/great change based on rollovers in our Western calender? Probably not. So why do you do so on the basis of the Mayan one?

The whole thing on 12/21/2012 is BS at it happened in 1999 due to Procession of the Equinoxes.

*snip* Failure from the start. *shakes head sadly* Poor Ardy. *sniff*

Failure from the start. *shakes head sadly* Poor Ardy. *sniff*


But ... your join date on the eighth month of 2008 adds up to 18, which is nine, and your posts number 2115, which also adds up to nine. How can you ignore that?

EDIT: Oooh, stop posting and mucking it all up!

Can't we just blow ourselves up and get it over with? God know that's the most likely way we'll go.

But ... your join date on the eighth month of 2008 adds up to 18, which is nine, and your posts number 2115, which also adds up to nine. How can you ignore that?I'm supposed to be afraid of simple math?
Man, they should have gotten me way back in first grade if the expected that shit to work. ;)

EDIT: Oooh, stop posting and mucking it all up!Nuu.

But ... your join date on the eighth month of 2008 adds up to 18, which is nine, and your posts number 2115, which also adds up to nine. How can you ignore that?

It's really easy Ardchoille.

*ignores*

See? :p

Never misunderestimate the stupity of assholes. Also, don't mess with retarded science.

I have fallen among ungodly unbelievers. :(

As distinct from all those godly unbelievers I usually associate with.

In a vague salute to the topic, I don't find it at all annoying that when a date for a prophecy passes, the prophecy's believers regroup, move the goalposts and believe all over again.

The apparently infinite inventiveness of human beings is enthralling. The way predictions have fashions, just the way other fields of human endeavour have, is also fascinating.

For example, currently it is fashionable to predict Bad Things. They are usually geographically detailed -- war in the Middle East, floods and tidal waves in Asia, the Big One along the San Andreas fault.

Once fashionable Good Things -- a cure for cancer, the development of a cheap, oil-free form of transport, the rediscovery of a species believed extinct -- seldom had a site. "Scientists" would do these things, not "a Chinese scientist", "an Indian university", or "an Australian researcher".

I have some respect for those who are willing to pin their predictions down to dates and times or places. Nutty, maybe, but gutsy.

These things will never fall out of favour. Nostradamus clearly predicted how people would remain guillible far into the future.

I think I read that Nostradamus prophesied the end of the world in 2777.
The only prophecy I can remember out of hand, has to do with 1999, in the ninth month and ninth day.
Which had fireballs from the sky sent by warlords in the ancient land to the new land.
I do not believe in such things of course, but other people have taken in to mean 2001, ninth month and eleventh day.

f**king Antichrist. also the planets aligned in 2003

Some predictions from Romanar's greatest psycho's, er I mean psychic's:

We will survive 2012. At some point Linux will take over the desktop from Windows. That will set us up for the Unix end times in 2038! :eek2:

I think I read that Nostradamus prophesied the end of the world in 2777.
The only prophecy I can remember out of hand, has to do with 1999, in the ninth month and ninth day.
Which had fireballs from the sky sent by warlords in the ancient land to the new land.
I do not believe in such things of course, but other people have taken in to mean 2001, ninth month and eleventh day.

Predictions should come with error margins.

My biggest hope is that we have a decent amount of notice before the world ends. I want to watch stupid people loot TVs and shit that they're never gonna get to use. Entertainment is everywhere if you know where to look. :)

Though I believe that humanity is destined to drown in an ocean of self-generated idiocy, this 2012 crap just adds to it. Though I'd welcome to hear news of a lunatic cult committing mass suicide in 2012. Suicidal cults are nice, they do us the favour of removing themselves from the genepool.

There will always be lots of cool theories around -- no matter what the year is.

Fucking ridiculous.

Just because we have some old calender and an old belief, doesn't mean it's right. Would you listen to someone who proclaimed doom/great change based on rollovers in our Western calender? Probably not. So why do you do so on the basis of the Mayan one?

Wasn't the whole calendar based on astrology and is dead accurate for 5k years? I think the whole "changing of the world thing" is the milky way changing position in the universe.

Or something.

I read that shit a long time ago.

Wasn't the whole calendar based on astrology and is dead accurate for 5k years? I think the whole "changing of the world thing" is the milky way changing position in the universe.

Or something.

I read that shit a long time ago.

The Milky Way is always changing position in the universe, because it's sailing along at a good fraction of the speed of light.

Anyway, as for the Mayan Calender. Having just read up on it, describing it as a calender is slightly misleading. There were a number of intersecting cycles, combined in various ways, including a 260 day one, built out of a 13 day cycle and a 20 day cycle. There was a 365 day one, consisting of 18 months of 20 days each, plus a few extra.

Then there was the 'Long Count', which this whole kerfuffle comes from. That was also quite simple, and is a count of the days after a particular date. As it happens, Dec 2012 is when the current b'ak'tun finishes, and the next starts --- specifically, the rollover from 13.19.17.19.19 to 14.0.0.0.0. Some irresponsible New Agers have thus suggested this corresponds to some silly date of cosmic significance/apocalypse/psychic awakening.

Most of these fears can be quite simply put to rest, by noting a few interesting facts. Firstly, the Mayans did not actually see the end of a period on the long count as a fearful time, but rather as one for celebration. In contrast, they considered the end of their 52 year cycles a rather dark and portentous time, and were much more worried about them. Finally, one can note that some Mayan inscriptions that we have found contain dates much beyond 14.0.0.0.0, and combine that with a statement that implies continuity (such as some king still being celebrated at that time). All in all, it's just a simple way for fearmongerors to cash in on gullible people.

Edit: Most information from wikipedia, particularly the articles on the Mayan Calender and 2012.

The Milky Way is always changing position in the universe, because it's sailing along at a good fraction of the speed of light.

Anyway, as for the Mayan Calender. Having just read up on it, describing it as a calender is slightly misleading. There were a number of intersecting cycles, combined in various ways, including a 260 day one, built out of a 13 day cycle and a 20 day cycle. There was a 365 day one, consisting of 18 months of 20 days each, plus a few extra.

Then there was the 'Long Count', which this whole kerfuffle comes from. That was also quite simple, and is a count of the days after a particular date. As it happens, Dec 2012 is when the current b'ak'tun finishes, and the next starts --- specifically, the rollover from 13.19.17.19.19 to 14.0.0.0.0. Some irresponsible New Agers have thus suggested this corresponds to some silly date of cosmic significance/apocalypse/psychic awakening.

Most of these fears can be quite simply put to rest, by noting a few interesting facts. Firstly, the Mayans did not actually see the end of a period on the long count as a fearful time, but rather as one for celebration. In contrast, they considered the end of their 52 year cycles a rather dark and portentous time, and were much more worried about them. Finally, one can note that some Mayan inscriptions that we have found contain dates much beyond 14.0.0.0.0, and combine that with a statement that implies continuity (such as some king still being celebrated at that time). All in all, it's just a simple way for fearmongerors to cash in on gullible people.

Edit: Most information from wikipedia, particularly the articles on the Mayan Calender and 2012.

Yeah that's what I was talking about, but I was just too lazy to go look for it:)

And I believe that the b'ak'tun is their word for "world". The current one we're in started some 5000 years ago or something like that.

Also there's mayan lore how our world is moving between the top and bottom of the tree of life (ie our world moving through stages or "worlds") and all that. There's a lot of information out there, I just haven't read up on it. I started too back in the day, but I lost interest. Just like with everything else.

I can see how people can call it the end of the world though.

edit: Also did you read up on how they made the calendar through astronomy? Now that is some cool shit. From what I remember it's dead nuts accurate too.

I, for one, never automatically dismiss any sort of supernatural/spiritual "miracles" or prophecies. I'll wait until December 21st, 2012 to see what happens.

Yeah that's what I was talking about, but I was just too lazy to go look for it:)

And I believe that the b'ak'tun is their word for "world". The current one we're in started some 5000 years ago or something like that.

Also there's mayan lore how our world is moving between the top and bottom of the tree of life (ie our world moving through stages or "worlds") and all that. There's a lot of information out there, I just haven't read up on it. I started too back in the day, but I lost interest. Just like with everything else.

I can see how people can call it the end of the world though.

edit: Also did you read up on how they made the calendar through astronomy? Now that is some cool shit. From what I remember it's dead nuts accurate too.

A b'ak'tun is not a world, merely a longer cycle on the calender. The fact that they roll over every four hundred years or so should be an adequate demonstration of this.

Their astronomical tricks, particularly measuring Venus, were very very accurate. However, their calendar based on the length of the year did not include leap years, and thus was out a little but increasing amount. Again, there isn't 'a' calender --- there are several sets of cycles, which interact in various ways to form longer sets.

What I find amusing is that the whole thing started because people didn't bother to learn about piktuns, and then, in all probability, got the wrong number of baktuns in a piktun.*

*They commonly use 13, but it's likely 20.

so what does nostradamus have to do with 2012? i caught part of that history channel thing before switching over to something less painfully stupid, and they just seemed to be doing the usual delusional new ager random mash-ups for no identifiable reason.

so what does nostradamus have to do with 2012? i caught part of that history channel thing before switching over to something less painfully stupid, and they just seemed to be doing the usual delusional new ager random mash-ups for no identifiable reason.

I was particularly entertained by one suggestion I saw. The premise was, basically, that the Mayan long count clicks over in 2012, so there will be some sort of apocalypse. What sort? Well, the Sumerians said there were 12 planets, including the Sun and the Moon. Never mind the lack of any evidence for a 10th planet, it will obviously be returning to the Solar System in 2012.

Because as we all know, the Mayans would have accurately predicted the time, while the Sumerians independently discovered the means. And, of course, a civilisation which thought the Sun and Moon were planets was also astronomically advanced enough to find this elusive 10th planet, which has so far evaded all modern astronomy.

Of course, it's all revealed in his book...

Edit: It has also occurred to me to wonder precisely how the Sumerians would have observed Pluto, while lacking any of the necessary optical equipment. But apart from a few practical difficulties...

What do the Mayans know anyways? Their civilization collapsed.

I, for one, never automatically dismiss any sort of supernatural/spiritual "miracles" or prophecies.

I do, largely because they never seem to happen. Also, if it actually does happen there's absolutely nothing I can do about it, so caring about it does absolutely nothing for me.

What confuses me is why people bring up Nostradamus with the 2012 doomsday bull. Didn't he say his prophecies extend to the year 3797? Now why would he prophetize that far in advance if the world was going to end in 2012?

Why can't these crazies keep their doomsdays straight?

What confuses me is why people bring up Nostradamus with the 2012 doomsday bull. Didn't he say his prophecies extend to the year 3797? Now why would he prophetize that far in advance if the world was going to end in 2012?

Why can't these crazies keep their doomsdays straight?

my favorite bit of new ager bullshit remains this white guy i saw in a documentary that was refusing to leave the top of a pyramid at chichen itza, where he was performing an 'ancient mayan ritual' which involved him playing the didgeridoo. that man was totally the reincarnation of an atlantean king.

Maybe that's the day the Heaven's Gate fellas will reappear in the mother ship, albeit in snappier jump suits and sneaks.

Yesterday (or two days ago, now) was 01/04/09, the first three perfect squares and dimensions of the 2001 monolith. I thought that was sort of cool.
What ticks me off most about this nonsense about the apocalypse is that it is scheduled to happen on my birthday. People will be screaming about the sky falling when they should be celebrating the 2* year of New Limacon's existence.

the popularity of doomsday, nostradamus, ect will be hit hard enough they will shut up for awhile?


seriously, they are not even giving themselves enough time to die anymore, and when they are wrong they come back a few years later with a new date, and people buy into it. its annoying.:mad:

this is not a new phenomena. it is mentioned in passing by greek philosophers in THEIR day (possibly even chinese thousands of years before THAT). its one of those things like the weather, it gives people who lack better imagination something to talk about. and of course its absolutely made for exploitation by priesthoods of every stripe.

so i don't think we're going to run out of less then brilliant people who look for and latch onto things like that to go on about. there's always people who are emotionally attatched to denying the influence of their own priorities on the incentives which lead to the conditions that also give them something to talk/bitch about, and it certainly makes for them a convenient excuse to say to themselves and the rest of us that it doesn't matter what they do because we're all 'doomed' anyway.

so no, i mean considering how big a deal was made about y2k, no, i think after 2012 they'll just come up with some other date, like the always are when they come into popular perception, slightly more then a decade, but less then a lifetime, away. and they'll always find some date, in some way pointed to in some belief, or the ravings of some mad man, preferably ancient, incoherent, and otherwise obscure, which is of course what makes nostradamus such a never ending well of such things.

i think one actually good side to this, is the digging up of neglected aspects of history, of ancient cultures short changed for propaganda advantage by the main stream of the histories that are taught in and by dominant cultures, maya being the current example.

reading back after having posting the above, from free soviets: "my favorite bit of new ager bullshit remains this white guy i saw in a documentary that was refusing to leave the top of a pyramid at chichen itza, where he was performing an 'ancient mayan ritual' which involved him playing the didgeridoo. that man was totally the reincarnation of an atlantean king."

ghod, don'tcha just love it?

I think some astronomical event like an eclipse is going to happen or some kind of galactic alignment of the Sun with the center of the milky way. Thats it really. Nothing else will happen.

I do not like that the History Channel puts on these stupid 2012 shows and shows about the end of the world. The History Channel also puts on shows about fortune tellers and how they can tell the future. People today just compare similar events to Nostradomus' predictions.

Nostradomus said that a man will be born on the Hister who will destroy the world. People change it to Hitler but it is really the river Nostradomus grew up on.

These apacalytic crazies got the news channels also. I saw a feature about 2012 on Fox News. This is all absolutely stupid.

cnn hasn't been a "news" channel since before tienamin square, which the couldn't let remain peaceful because selling post toasties was more important then the lives of chinese people (and peaceful protest don't sell as many as human tragidy). fox, i don't know of any time it was ever anything other then infotainment, just when they first got into television it was a little less blatantly corporate propiganda. (and had more redeaming REAL entertainment, before whoever popularized the 'brilliant' shortcut of mashing the two togather)

the popularity of doomsday, nostradamus, ect will be hit hard enough they will shut up for awhile?


seriously, they are not even giving themselves enough time to die anymore, and when they are wrong they come back a few years later with a new date, and people buy into it. its annoying.:mad:

Yes, they always come back with some new idiocy. They (and their fans) are more stubborn than the Terminator.

<snip>What ticks me off most about this nonsense about the apocalypse is that it is scheduled to happen on my birthday. People will be screaming about the sky falling when they should be celebrating the 2* year of New Limacon's existence.

You mean ... you are The One Whose Birth Was Foretold? Just 2* years ago, was it not written, "This day, a child has come to earth who will come to the fullness of their powers on 21/12/12 (or 12/21/12, for the Yanks)"?

:hail:

It's really easy Ardchoille.

*ignores*

See? :p

Ah, but you responded, meaning you FAILED to ignore!!!!
Which proves his POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whatever his point was

You mean ... you are The One Whose Birth Was Foretold? Just 2* years ago, was it not written, "This day, a child has come to earth who will come to the fullness of their powers on 21/12/12 (or 12/21/12, for the Yanks)"?

:hail:

It is indeed I. Blessed are you, Ardchoille. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. Not only will you be the rock on which I will build my church, but I'll even let you choose the ridiculous and impractical hat that your successors will have to wear till the end of time.

This is a quote from a thread about 2012 on a different forum I go to[and it's so full of win one may die from it!]...



Psh. 2012? Nah. The world won't end until the MiG-21 and F-4 are both finally completely out of service all over the world, and since everyone knows that by the year 2154 we will still be using the MiG-21-93MKKUR "Hyper Stealth Fishbed-Z" and the RF/A-4XN-2000 "Bitchin' Phantom XXX" during our conquest of the planet Vulcan using the Starship Enterprise as our brand new aircraft carrier, there's really nothing to be worried about.