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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/01/family.grounded/index.html

You know, I have heard stories about hardcore terroists, but I never heard of one that brought his wife and kids with him on a suicide mission. :p

It's probably in bad taste to discuss crash survivability on an airplane, but getting booted is something else. A light scolding from the flight attendant should be the maximum penalty for a first-time offender.

Besides, everyone already knows that the seats by the wings are the deathtraps. :)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/01/family.grounded/index.html

You know, I have heard stories about hardcore terroists, but I never heard of one that brought his wife and kids with him on a suicide mission. :p

Probably because the wife been nagging about spending more quality time with the family, so he figures this will shut her up. :p

LG, I know you enjoy tomfoolery, but making up something like this is in bad taste, although I do think the faked cnn link is impressive.

But seriously, do you think we're all stupid?

There is no way, even in the United States, that this could truly happen.

I could buy it if some people freaked out that people of Muslimness were talking on an airplane about the safest place to sit. That's clearly terrorist behavior. I could believe they removed them from the plane. I could believe it drew the attention of Federal Air Marshals, and that the FBI were called.

But you expect us to believe that after the F freaking BI checked these people, cleared them, determined that they did nothing wrong, determined that the father was a US citizen and tax attorney (being admitted to the bar is a ten year background check or more), they...

they...

refused to book them on a later flight.

You, clown, are making this shit up and I think you should stop.

LG, I know you enjoy tomfoolery, but making up something like this is in bad taste, although I do think the faked cnn link is impressive.

But seriously, do you think we're all stupid?

There is no way, even in the United States, that this could truly happen.

I could buy it if some people freaked out that people of Muslimness were talking on an airplane about the safest place to sit. That's clearly terrorist behavior. I could believe they removed them from the plane. I could believe it drew the attention of Federal Air Marshals, and that the FBI were called.

But you expect us to believe that after the F freaking BI checked these people, cleared them, determined that they did nothing wrong, determined that the father was a US citizen and tax attorney (being admitted to the bar is a ten year background check or more), they...

they...

refused to book them on a later flight.

You, clown, are making this shit up and I think you should stop.

If I were involved, I probably would have staged the event by having a family of mexicans with fake accents go onto a plane and deliberately hold a discussion about plane safety to see what would happen.

Theoretically. :)

If I were involved, I probably would have staged the event by having a family of mexicans with fake accents go onto a plane and deliberately hold a discussion about plane safety to see what would happen.

Theoretically. :)

Oh comon LG, you're not thinking big enough!

I'd have a family of Mexican, Asian, White, Black, and Arabs go on different flight, have the same convo and see what happens to each family.

If I were involved, I probably would have staged the event by having a family of mexicans with fake accents go onto a plane and deliberately hold a discussion about plane safety to see what would happen.

Theoretically. :)

"I'm sorry, Mr.....um, Mr. Carnitas, is it? You're clearly of Muslimness, please come with me."

Clearly the West thinks of Muslims as a species of hivemind insects who obcess over oppression and terrorism. Betcha at least one NSGer would have hoped they alleviated passenger concerns by shooting the family.

"I'm sorry, Mr.....um, Mr. Carnitas, is it? You're clearly of Muslimness, please come with me."

That's what happened to the first group of mexicans. :(

...and the second...

Oh comon LG, you're not thinking big enough!

I'd have a family of Mexican, Asian, White, Black, and Arabs go on different flight, have the same convo and see what happens to each family.

I only had $30 so I could only afford mexicans.

;)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/01/family.grounded/index.html

You know, I have heard stories about hardcore terroists, but I never heard of one that brought his wife and kids with him on a suicide mission. :p

I've had a similar conversation with a total stranger, last time I flew... but then, I'm the right colour, so no one got asked to leave the plane.

I'm not normally indulgent of the litigious nature of American culture, but in this case, I'd love to see the family in question sue the bastards into bankruptcy.

Oh comon LG, you're not thinking big enough!

I'd have a family of Mexican, Asian, White, Black, and Arabs go on different flight, have the same convo and see what happens to each family.




Heh, make sure the Mexican guy is a veteran Air Force Officer, the Black is an actual aviation administration safety inspector, the Arab IS the Federal Air Marshall, and the White and Asian guys have no tickets and a machete.

It will still work out the same.

Boarding a plane and talking about where the best seats are if a crash occurs probably isnt the best idea regardless of who you are. They should have thought about it with todays climate. With that said the FBI interviewed them and cleared them to fly. Even going to the airline and saying it was fine there were no worries. The airline acted in a bad manner about the whole thing.

Heh, make sure the Mexican guy is a veteran Air Force Officer, the Black is an actual aviation administration safety inspector, the Arab IS the Federal Air Marshall, and the White and Asian guys have no tickets and a machete.

It will still work out the same.

Hmm true.

I only had $30 so I could only afford mexicans.

;)

So, what did you do with the other $29.50?

This is what came to mind. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCl6JkceM8k)

So, what did you do with the other $29.50?

What the hell do I look like to you; Walmart?!? :mad:

Boarding a plane and talking about where the best seats are if a crash occurs probably isnt the best idea regardless of who you are. They should have thought about it with todays climate.

Nah, that's crap. A lot of people are nervous about flying, and conversations often revolve around issues like 'the take-off is the most dangerous part', 'statistically, if you survive take-off, you'll make it', 'flying is safer than driving'... all those kinds of things.

What you mean is - because they are MUSLIMS, they should have thought about it with todays climate...

...where 'todays climate' can be read to mean 'a lot of people are xenophobic fucktards'.

I only had $30 so I could only afford mexicans.

;)

Dude, that's not funny.

I've had white prostitutes in central Nevada, I've had a black prostitute in southern Nevada, I've had Asian prostitutes in, well, Asia, but by far, the best bang for the buck has been in Tijuana, and in the alley behind Adelitas, $30 will get your pipes cleaned just as shiny at 1/10 the price.

What the hell do I look like to you; Walmart?!? :mad:

You mean it took the entire $30 to buy two Mexican family?

You got ripped, It only cost me 25 cents to hire a Mexican guy to entertain my nephew. Now I just need to find someone to make a fake green card...

Nah, that's crap. A lot of people are nervous about flying, and conversations often revolve around issues like 'the take-off is the most dangerous part', 'statistically, if you survive take-off, you'll make it', 'flying is safer than driving'... all those kinds of things.

What you mean is - because they are MUSLIMS, they should have thought about it with todays climate...

...where 'todays climate' can be read to mean 'a lot of people are xenophobic fucktards'.

Don't forget that in "today's climate" you can talk about or do things to Muslims that would invoke extreme outrage from all sorts of civil rights groups if they were perpetrated on any other religious or ethnic group. All it takes is chanting the magic word "terrorism" and you get a free pass.

You mean it took the entire $30 to buy two Mexican family?

You got ripped, It only cost me 25 cents to hire a Mexican guy to entertain my nephew. Now I just need to find someone to make a fake green card...

I'd do it for 25 cents, but I get to keep the nephew. I have some chimneys that need sweeping.

I'd do it for 25 cents, but I get to keep the nephew. I have some chimneys that need sweeping.

Hell you can keep him, he gets on my nerve after an hour.

He keeps calling everything doggie, so watch out for that.

I got a niece on the way if you want her too.

Of all the STUPID...

God my head hurts just reading about this.

And then people wonder why I don't want to return to the States. At least in Japan I can momentarily pretend that my home nation isn't overwhelmingly populated by idiots!

Hell you can keep him, he gets on my nerve after an hour.

He keeps calling everything doggie, so watch out for that.

I got a niece on the way if you want her too.

Wow! And I thought mexicans were cheap!

Nah, that's crap. A lot of people are nervous about flying, and conversations often revolve around issues like 'the take-off is the most dangerous part', 'statistically, if you survive take-off, you'll make it', 'flying is safer than driving'... all those kinds of things.

What you mean is - because they are MUSLIMS, they should have thought about it with todays climate...

...where 'todays climate' can be read to mean 'a lot of people are xenophobic fucktards'.

I fly a lot and do not hear people talking about the best place to survive a plane crash while boarding a plane. In fact I dont ever recall that at all. Yes Muslims should be sensitive to what others think because of xenophobia.

I know this is a bit of a tangent. However as a Westerner in a Muslim nation you have to be careful what you say. You cannot say and do many things we are allowed to do in this nation. So yeah people should be careful what they say because of percieved notions of others. Especially on a airplane of all places. Once you step on a airplane in this country freedom goes out the door for everyone. So be careful so that you do not get booted on the way to vacation.

Wow! And I thought mexicans were cheap!

Just be glad I'm not a children person, or a people's person...

Don't forget that in "today's climate" you can talk about or do things to Muslims that would invoke extreme outrage from all sorts of civil rights groups if they were perpetrated on any other religious or ethnic group. All it takes is chanting the magic word "terrorism" and you get a free pass.

Don't forget, one of the terrorismists in question was a Library of Congress attorney.

They have infiltrated us to the deepest levels of our government. This man could be using his access card to get ahold of our most sacred documents.

Our children will be expecting to find "The Hardy Boys and the Case of the Spiral Stairs", but instead, they will be indoctrinated by "The Hardy Boys Make Jihad on the Jews and Go To Paradise".

What the hell do I look like to you; Walmart?!? :mad:

No, you're a Tescos more than a Walmart.

Don't forget that in "today's climate" you can talk about or do things to Muslims that would invoke extreme outrage from all sorts of civil rights groups if they were perpetrated on any other religious or ethnic group. All it takes is chanting the magic word "terrorism" and you get a free pass.

A little overboard here are we not? So we have a stray idiot or two. Considering what the US did back in WWII I say we have come a long way in how we treat foreign and native born Americans. The FBI investigated and cleared the whole thing. No problems. The real problem here is the airlines treatment of passengers. This is only one of many issues that passengers have to deal with.

So, my friend's dad was a doctor, immigrated to the United States in the early 70's, got a green card, then became naturalized. When he got his US license, he was recruited into an Army program for physicians, was commissioned as an officer. He's a dark, swarthy little man with a thick accent.

During the first Gulf War, he had recently made full bird Colonel, and was driving onto his base late one night to handle some things.

Guys at the gate must've been new. Stopped him, got him out of his car. He's in uniform, but hey, those can be fabricated or stolen, right? But they're convinced they've caught an infiltrator. Dark, swarthy little man, thick accent.

They call it in. Finally gets sorted out.

Asked the old dude if it pissed him off. He says no, after that, they gave him a car with a white driver.

Well, to be fair, there is a protocol that pretty much outlines what airliners have to do in these kinds of cases. How much leeway there is after a passenger reports something to a flight attendant also has to be balanced off by various risk mathematics which, unfortunately, would include "Could this be a Fox News "secret terrorist" testing to see how safe our airline is".

...Yes Muslims should be sensitive to what others think because of xenophobia.

I know this is a bit of a tangent. However as a Westerner in a Muslim nation you have to be careful what you say...

Ah, the 'well, they started it' defence. Awesome.

Remember how 'we' constantly point out how regressive 'those' regimes are? It's pretty sad how often 'we' keep getting compared to 'them'...

Well, to be fair, there is a protocol that pretty much outlines what airliners have to do in these kinds of cases. How much leeway there is after a passenger reports something to a flight attendant also has to be balanced off by various risk mathematics which, unfortunately, would include "Could this be a Fox News "secret terrorist" testing to see how safe our airline is".

Having the Bureau check everybody seems like they satisfied due diligence. Not letting them on a later flight seems less useful.

They call it in. Finally gets sorted out.

Asked the old dude if it pissed him off. He says no, after that, they gave him a car with a white driver.

Hah. I used to play golf at Camp Pendleton when I was a kid. I'd drive in with a Marine colonel's car, at 16 years old - never any problems. They'd salute the sticker and in I'd go, every time. :tongue: 'Course, that wasn't Iraq during wartime, but the contrast is interesting to me.

Clearly the West thinks of Muslims as a species of hivemind insects who obcess over oppression and terrorism. Betcha at least one NSGer would have hoped they alleviated passenger concerns by shooting the family.



I hoped they would have alleviated passenger concerns by shooting the family



Being serious now, I am of the view that while such discussion on planes should be discouraged, AirTran went a little too far. Why they would fly on an airline that has shipped expired oxygen generators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592) is beyond me.

Being serious now, I am of the view that while such discussion on planes should be discouraged, AirTran went a little too far. Why they would fly on an airline that has shipped expired oxygen generators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592) is beyond me.

That was a mistake, sure, but hopefully the airlines are a bit more careful with their hazmat nowadays, yeah? That was an ugly and high-profile crash, after all.

I have heard stories about hardcore terroists

How can hardcore terrorists hide bombs under their extra-tight shiny latex catsuits? :confused:

Yay paranoia and bad customer service!

Why would a suicide bomber want to be in the safest seat in a plane? If he survives, he failed -_-

How can hardcore terrorists hide bombs under their extra-tight shiny latex catsuits? :confused:

http://gaijinnosekai.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/hard-gay-motivational.jpg

How can hardcore terrorists hide bombs under their extra-tight shiny latex catsuits? :confused:

Two words: "Cavity search"!

somebody's getting sued.

I doubt it. Unless you have a right to demand passage on an airplane (and I doubt there is such a right) the carrier can probably refuse entry for enough vague and various reasons. The people involved were offered (and apparently accepted) full refunds - which will further weaken their legal standing. And the airline said that they could fly with them in the future.

They could go the discrimination route, of course, but that's going to be a hard one to pull. It sounds like the airline was following established protocols as established by the government up to not allowing them to board a new flight, but the captain has a certain amount of discretion in refusing to seat people.

That being said - this happened in the US, where people will sue if you sneeze in the wrong direction, and there's probably a lawyer who'll take the case no matter its merits or chances of success.

Disclaimer: I am an American citizen, and may thus poke fun at the US with impunity.

somebody's getting sued.

Why? Are you taking on the case, Neo? :tongue:

They could go the discrimination route, of course, but that's going to be a hard one to pull. It sounds like the airline was following established protocols as established by the government up to not allowing them to board a new flight, but the captain has a certain amount of discretion in refusing to seat people.

From my understand, the FBI gave them a full "all clear", and even after, they refused to reboard.

More to point, there are fundamentally two problems here:

1) while it's true that airlines are afforded "some discretion", that discretion is not of a nature that can be abused. I do not see how, wondering aloud, if you're on the safest seats on the plane, to be something a terrorist or hijacker would say. Moreover, if these passengers had been white, I highly doubt that one single eyebrow would have been raised by it. Nobody would have cared. Their race is an intrinsic aspect of this issue. Their comments, standing alone, did not, in my opinion, rise to a specific enough "risk" to justify intervention in this manner

2) refusing to reboard them or help them make further accomodations once the GOVERNMENT had cleared them as all safe, further doesn't help them

The fact that they accepted ar efund might reduce their damages, but it doesn't negate their claim. And I think they have a fairly good one.

Well, to be fair, there is a protocol that pretty much outlines what airliners have to do in these kinds of cases. How

The problem is, this:

"AirTran Airways complied with all TSA, law enforcement and Homeland Security directives and had no discretion in the matter," the company said in a prepared statement.

Does not jive with this:

Family members said FBI agents tried to work it out with the airline, but to no avail.

You don't get to play the "we were just doing what the government told us to do!" card when the government told you that otherwise.

after that, they gave him a car with a white driver.

This is NOT HOW IT WORKS. Being black or brown is NOT an impediment to driving or belonging to the US military!

They should *expletive deleted* sue, as the *more curses* airline are acting like absolute *you figure out a word yourself:p*

So, my friend's dad was a doctor, immigrated to the United States in the early 70's, got a green card, then became naturalized. When he got his US license, he was recruited into an Army program for physicians, was commissioned as an officer. He's a dark, swarthy little man with a thick accent.

During the first Gulf War, he had recently made full bird Colonel, and was driving onto his base late one night to handle some things.

Guys at the gate must've been new. Stopped him, got him out of his car. He's in uniform, but hey, those can be fabricated or stolen, right? But they're convinced they've caught an infiltrator. Dark, swarthy little man, thick accent.

They call it in. Finally gets sorted out.

Asked the old dude if it pissed him off. He says no, after that, they gave him a car with a white driver.
as an old white woman it pisses me off when it is assumed that i am completely harmless.

ive been waived through more checkpoints than i can remember. (and not its not alzheimers!)

why assume that the white driver couldnt possibly be part of the conspiracy? why assume that if he is the DRIVER he couldnt be dangerous (because the white guy would never put himself in a position of inferiority if he wasnt in the military?)

white people can be dangerous too, dammit!

as an old white woman it pisses me off when it is assumed that i am completely harmless.

ive been waived through more checkpoints than i can remember. (and not its not alzheimers!)

why assume that the white driver couldnt possibly be part of the conspiracy? why assume that if he is the DRIVER he couldnt be dangerous (because the white guy would never put himself in a position of inferiority if he wasnt in the military?)

white people can be dangerous too, dammit!

Especially to non-white people. ;)

white people can be dangerous too, dammit!

Yeah, but serial killers, cult leaders and meth-fueled biker gangs don't pose much of a threat on airplanes.

So, do you think that this negative press will actually have an effect on AirTran bookings (outside of the Muslim-American community)?

I fly a lot and do not hear people talking about the best place to survive a plane crash while boarding a plane. In fact I dont ever recall that at all. Yes Muslims should be sensitive to what others think because of xenophobia.

I know this is a bit of a tangent. However as a Westerner in a Muslim nation you have to be careful what you say. You cannot say and do many things we are allowed to do in this nation. So yeah people should be careful what they say because of percieved notions of others. Especially on a airplane of all places. Once you step on a airplane in this country freedom goes out the door for everyone. So be careful so that you do not get booted on the way to vacation.
Right, because everybody knows that the correct thing to do is allow repressive theocratic regimes to set the standard for how Americans live and conduct themselves. They are an example of how to treat people that everyone should want to follow. :rolleyes:

Oh, white people are dangerous on planes if your last name is: Jones, Smith, Williams or anything else exceedingly common.

I thought this was going to be something funny, based on the thread's name and the thread's creator.
...Goes to show me that appearances are deceiving. :p

Yay paranoia and bad customer service! That. ^

Yeah, but serial killers, cult leaders and meth-fueled biker gangs don't pose much of a threat on airplanes.

So, do you think that this negative press will actually have an effect on AirTran bookings (outside of the Muslim-American community)?
no i think it will enhance them.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/01/family.grounded/index.html

You know, I have heard stories about hardcore terroists, but I never heard of one that brought his wife and kids with him on a suicide mission. :p

The family that terrorizes together...:tongue:

Moreover, if these passengers had been white, I highly doubt that one single eyebrow would have been raised by it. Nobody would have cared. Their race is an intrinsic aspect of this issue. Their comments, standing alone, did not, in my opinion, rise to a specific enough "risk" to justify intervention in this manner.

The fact that they accepted ar efund might reduce their damages, but it doesn't negate their claim. And I think they have a fairly good one.

The problem here is trying to prove that in court. Chances are, they're going to have to go after a "state of mind" issue. Of course, there's not going to be anything on paper along the likes of "if white then allow all; if arab then deny". Assuming that this is a one-off kind of thing, or that this case is dissimilar enough to other cases for the carrier, then that's going to be really hard to prove. Even assuming that race/religion was the center of the pilot's decision, you're going to have to get that from him on the witness stand in all likelihood.

You don't get to play the "we were just doing what the government told us to do!" card when the government told you that otherwise.

We're talking about two separate parts of the whole incident. There are going to be protocols to follow when someone reports suspicious activities or comments - which the government apparently has provided to the carrier - and what the carrier can do after the investigation has been completed (in this case offer a refund and refuse further boarding). One can play the "we were told to do so" card for the first part.

The problem here is trying to prove that in court. Chances are, they're going to have to go after a "state of mind" issue. Of course, there's not going to be anything on paper along the likes of "if white then allow all; if arab then deny". Assuming that this is a one-off kind of thing, or that this case is dissimilar enough to other cases for the carrier, then that's going to be really hard to prove. Even assuming that race/religion was the center of the pilot's decision, you're going to have to get that from him on the witness stand in all likelihood.

Or, on the other hand, as is oft the case, through the discovery process. If it turns up there were similarly reported issues, involving non muslim pasengers, and the response was less than "kick them off the plane and call the feds", we start to have a problem here.

Again, please note, I said they were going to get sued. Not that they'd, necessarily, lose. A suit is just a formal filing of a complaint. It gets the ball rolling, and allows access to things, like the discovery process, which can yield evidence to support your allegations.


We're talking about two separate parts of the whole incident. There are going to be protocols to follow when someone reports suspicious activities or comments - which the government apparently has provided to the carrier - and what the carrier can do after the investigation has been completed (in this case offer a refund and refuse further boarding). One can play the "we were told to do so" card for the first part.

I agree that if there were governmentally mandated responses to this sort of thing and if those responses were adhered to, then at least the first part of this would probably fall under the "dickish but no other option" umbrella.

But that requires two very big "ifs"

And doesn't address what happened next

I fly a lot and do not hear people talking about the best place to survive a plane crash while boarding a plane. In fact I dont ever recall that at all. Yes Muslims should be sensitive to what others think because of xenophobia.

I know this is a bit of a tangent. However as a Westerner in a Muslim nation you have to be careful what you say. You cannot say and do many things we are allowed to do in this nation. So yeah people should be careful what they say because of percieved notions of others. Especially on a airplane of all places. Once you step on a airplane in this country freedom goes out the door for everyone. So be careful so that you do not get booted on the way to vacation.
Don't ever cross your legs -- if anyone sees the sole of your shoe you're risking a beat-down. Doesn't make what happened here any better, though.

as an old white woman it pisses me off when it is assumed that i am completely harmless.

ive been waived through more checkpoints than i can remember. (and not its not alzheimers!)



Have you considered a career in drug smuggling?

as an old white woman it pisses me off when it is assumed that i am completely harmless.

ive been waived through more checkpoints than i can remember. (and not its not alzheimers!)

why assume that the white driver couldnt possibly be part of the conspiracy? why assume that if he is the DRIVER he couldnt be dangerous (because the white guy would never put himself in a position of inferiority if he wasnt in the military?)

white people can be dangerous too, dammit!
Ya, cos the Alfred P. Murrah building was taken down by those dirty brown terrorist people.....

oh wait....

Don't ever cross your legs -- if anyone sees the sole of your shoe you're risking a beat-down. Doesn't make what happened here any better, though.

Ever tried to cross your legs on a economy class seat? That in itself is a feat. Although if you do manage to cross your legs just dont try and light your shoe with a lighter. That is a sure to get you beaten to a pulp.

Ever tried to cross your legs on a economy class seat? That in itself is a feat. Although if you do manage to cross your legs just dont try and light your shoe with a lighter. That is a sure to get you beaten to a pulp.
I didn't mean in an airplane... I know of someone who got their ass handed to them because they were reading the paper in UAE and unthinkingly crossed their legs in the ol' figure four.

I didn't mean in an airplane... I know of someone who got their ass handed to them because they were reading the paper in UAE and unthinkingly crossed their legs in the ol' figure four.

Hehe yeah UAE have police looking for things we wouldn't even think abnormal. Got to love fundy governments.

Reminds me of the big list of "Don'ts" we got on the way to Saudi to fight a war to defend those a-holes. We were looking at it and just shaking our heads. All in the name of "respecting" their culture.

Ya, cos the Alfred P. Murrah building was taken down by those dirty brown terrorist people.....

oh wait....

The sad thing is, that's what the government and media actually assumed before they found out about McVeigh and Nichols.

This was taken from the companies website. I am not sure which one they violated?


Refusal to Transport
AirTran may refuse to transport or may remove from any flight any passenger for one or several reasons, including but not limited to the following:
1) Compliance with applicable government rules, regulations, or requirements or government requisition of space.
2) Action necessary or advisable due to weather or other conditions beyond AirTran’s control.
3) Refusal by a passenger to permit a search of personal property for explosives, deadly weapons, controlled substances, or dangerous articles.
4) Refusal by a passenger to produce positive identification upon request.
5) Passenger's physical or mental condition is such that, in AirTran’s sole opinion, passenger is rendered or likely to be rendered incapable of comprehending or complying with safety instructions without the assistance of an attendant. Passenger may be accepted provided advance notice is given and an accompanying attendant is responsible for caring for the passenger enroute.
6) Acquisition of a ticket at any time in violation of AirTran’s rules or regulations and/or through the unauthorized use of a credit card.
7) If a passenger's conduct is disorderly, abusive or violent, or the passenger:
a) Appears to be intoxicated or under the influence of drugs.
b) Attempts to interfere with any member of the flight crew.
c) Refuses to obey instructions from any flight crewmember.
d) Has a communicable disease that has been determined by a federal public health authority to be transmissible to other persons in the normal course of flight.
e) Has an offensive odor not caused by a disability or illness.
f) Is barefoot, or is clothed in a manner that would cause discomfort or offense to other passengers.
g) Is unable to sit in a seat with the seat belt fastened.
h) Engages in any action, voluntary or involuntary that might jeopardize the safety of the aircraft or any of its occupants.
8) A passenger who wears or has on or about their person concealed or unconcealed dangerous weapons. AirTran will carry a passenger who meets the qualifications and conditions established by Federal Aviation Regulations.
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9) A passenger who requires constant oxygen or other life support equipment.
10) Any pregnant passenger expecting delivery within 30 days, unless AirTran is provided a doctor’s certification confirming the individual is physically fit for air travel. Such certification must be dated within 72 hours of the planned flight departure time.
11) An infant aged fifteen (15) days or less or an infant requiring an incubator or other life support systems.

All the guy wants is an apology. I would think the company could avoid alot of negative press and legal proceedings, just give the man an apology and maybe a free trip.

I could see Maybe putting them on the next flight. There are couple of things here you have to consider. They are trying to calm the other passenger while not infringe on the family's rights. It wasn't the airline workers that started the problem it was one of the other passengers.

After the FBI clears you though? That was some upper management thing obviously...

Right, because everybody knows that the correct thing to do is allow repressive theocratic regimes to set the standard for how Americans live and conduct themselves. They are an example of how to treat people that everyone should want to follow. :rolleyes:

No no no, he's just saying that just like women should refrain from dressing in certain ways because there are men out there who want to rape them, and black people should avoid walking around white neighbourhoods lest they get lynched, Muslims should be aware that there are plenty of mouth breathers out there that will regard everything they do with the utmost of suspicion, so they should refrain from doing anything at all which might upset the xenophobes. Although if they play it too careful the xenophobes will get even more suspicious so maybe Muslims should just realise they aren't all that welcome on planes?

Ya, cos the Alfred P. Murrah building was taken down by those dirty brown terrorist people.....

oh wait....
Yeah! And don't forget that Muslim who put that bomb in the Atlanta Olympic park back in 1996...

Oh wait....

Or the Anthrax attacks...

Whom the FBI now has decided was an inside job from a Vaccine researcher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins

This is NOT HOW IT WORKS. Being black or brown is NOT an impediment to driving or belonging to the US military!

I'm not saying it is. Being brown didn't stop the guy from being commissioned as an officer and rising through the ranks.

But to avoid further "misunderstandings", sometimes things get arranged for convenience.

LG, I know you enjoy tomfoolery, but making up something like this is in bad taste, although I do think the faked cnn link is impressive.

But seriously, do you think we're all stupid?

There is no way, even in the United States, that this could truly happen.

I could buy it if some people freaked out that people of Muslimness were talking on an airplane about the safest place to sit. That's clearly terrorist behavior. I could believe they removed them from the plane. I could believe it drew the attention of Federal Air Marshals, and that the FBI were called.

But you expect us to believe that after the F freaking BI checked these people, cleared them, determined that they did nothing wrong, determined that the father was a US citizen and tax attorney (being admitted to the bar is a ten year background check or more), they...

they...

refused to book them on a later flight.

You, clown, are making this shit up and I think you should stop.
I haven't read the whole article, but just because it's hard to believe doesn't mean it isn't true. Consider time dilation, for example.

Yeah! And don't forget that Muslim who put that bomb in the Atlanta Olympic park back in 1996...

Oh wait....

Or the Anthrax attacks...

Whom the FBI now has decided was an inside job from a Vaccine researcher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins

Or the bank-bomber in Aspen like two-days ago... or wasn't he like a 70 year old white guy? Hmmm....

You guys are forgetting something with all these white bombers. When white guys do it, it's just ordinary crime that is handled by the legal system. It's only terrorism that needs sanctioned discrimination and trashing of the law when the suspects (even the ones suspected of not doing anything) were born with a tan.

You guys are forgetting something with all these white bombers. When white guys do it, it's just ordinary crime that is handled by the legal system. It's only terrorism that needs sanctioned discrimination and trashing of the law when the suspects (even the ones suspected of not doing anything) were born with a tan.

This is why most modern militias are making progress in applying anti-discriminatory recruiting practices.

If you look on most militia websites or attend militia events, you will find that more and more are open to people of all races, religions, and ethnicities.

(I'm actually not kidding about this.)

Militias: We're Tired of Being Ignored Because We're White.

Although if they play it too careful the xenophobes will get even more suspicious so maybe Muslims should just realise they aren't all that welcome on planes?Free cruises for all Muslims kicked off of planes? :confused:

Free cruises for all Muslims kicked off of planes? :confused:

"Hello, My name is Captain Stubing, and welcome to your Royal Carribean Carnival Cruise!

Please enjoy swimming on decks 4 and 9, and remember there is Halal cuisine on the Fiesta deck and- wait, what's that? Oh my god, pirates! Somali Pirates!

Quick! Muslims! Unsheat your box cutters, and fling your shoe bombs! You must protect us!"


Muslims: "We're not armed. I'm a gastroenterologist and my wife is an insurance actuary."

Captain: "Your child isn't carrying a bomb strapped to his chest?"

Muslim: "Thats a camera."

Captain: "I see."

"Hello, My name is Captain Stubing, and welcome to your Royal Carribean Carnival Cruise!

Please enjoy swimming on decks 4 and 9, and remember there is Halal cuisine on the Fiesta deck and- wait, what's that? Oh my god, pirates! Somali Pirates!

Quick! Muslims! Unsheat your box cutters, and fling your shoe bombs! You must protect us!"


Muslims: "We're not armed. I'm a gastroenterologist and my wife is an insurance actuary."

Captain: "Your child isn't carrying a bomb strapped to his chest?"

Muslim: "Thats a camera."

Captain: "I see."You should make that into a movie.

Of all the STUPID...

God my head hurts just reading about this.

And then people wonder why I don't want to return to the States. At least in Japan I can momentarily pretend that my home nation isn't overwhelmingly populated by idiots!
O Rly? (http://passfieldgames.blogspot.com/2008/06/bankquest.html)

This is why most modern militias are making progress in applying anti-discriminatory recruiting practices.

If you look on most militia websites or attend militia events, you will find that more and more are open to people of all races, religions, and ethnicities.

(I'm actually not kidding about this.)

Militias: We're Tired of Being Ignored Because We're White.
And the lesson learned is: It's actually not all that great to be too pure.

You know, I have heard stories about hardcore terroists, but I never heard of one that brought his wife and kids with him on a suicide mission. :pWhat's a terroists, LG? Huh, huh? Please, tell me! :p

You should make that into a movie.

Open to a calm, peaceful ocean, dolphins cavorting...

Cue Voiceover: "In a world..."

Cut to shuffleboard deck, Rush Limbaugh in white shorts, a blue blazer with gold trim, and a jaunty Captain's cap...

Captain: "Well, little buddy...great day for a cruise...too bad about the cargo..."

Voiceover: "...where Muslims are forbidden to travel by air and so are provided cruise ships with...chaperones..."

First Mate (played by Sean Hannity): "You said it skipper. Hey, is that a flotilla of Somalian pirates approaching us?"

Cut to rocket propelled grenade streaking into side of ship, massive explosions.

Voiceover: "...only one woman...can save the day..."

Cut to Somali pirates ceasing fire, lowering their weapons, horrified looks crossing their faces...

Cut to: Ann Coulter, in a string bikini, with a spear gun, wet and glistening with that ghastly fucking grin of hers...

Coulter: "Hey, boys, mind if I play?"

Cut to: Somali pirates, Muslim passengers, and offscreen film crew begin gagging, and committing suicide where possible...

Voiceover: "This summer, Right...Makes Might!"


Fox Films presents, "Muslims Cause Problems", opening this July in select cities, this film has not been rated.

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but Bruce Edwards Ivins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins) was born in Lebanon, Ohio...

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but Bruce Edwards Ivins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins) was born in Lebanon, Ohio...

Heh, from your wiki link:

In a letter expressing his belief that Jews were God's chosen people, Ivins stated, "By blood and faith, Jews are God's chosen, and have no need for 'dialogue' with any gentile."[18] Ivins praised a rabbi for refusing to dialogue with a Muslim cleric.[18]

Heh, from your wiki link:

In a letter expressing his belief that Jews were God's chosen people, Ivins stated, "By blood and faith, Jews are God's chosen, and have no need for 'dialogue' with any gentile."[18] Ivins praised a rabbi for refusing to dialogue with a Muslim cleric.[18]

Obviously part of his plan.

Or the Anthrax attacks...
Whom the FBI now has decided was an inside job from a Vaccine researcher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins

Yeah, but he was born in LEBANON!!!
ok, it was Lebanon, Ohio, but still...

You guys are forgetting something with all these white bombers. When white guys do it, it's just ordinary crime that is handled by the legal system. It's only terrorism that needs sanctioned discrimination and trashing of the law when the suspects (even the ones suspected of not doing anything) were born with a tan.
That's the American way of life.

Or the bank-bomber in Aspen like two-days ago... or wasn't he like a 70 year old white guy? Hmmm....

Or that guy who shot up that Universal Union Church back before the election? Wait the guy was white and didn't do it in the name of Islam.

What's a terroists, LG? Huh, huh? Please, tell me! :p

If you don't already know, they you probably aren't meant to know. *checks your security clearance* As I suspected; you're not cleared for that information. *nod*

Ann Coulter, in a string bikini

Great, now I'm gonna need a lobotomy to forget that mental image.

Fox Films presents, "Muslims Cause Problems", opening this July in select cities, this film has not been rated.

I envision more of a Somalian pirate ship attempts to board an Al Queda suicide boat on its way to carry out a mission and hilarity ensues.

How big a thing does a white guy need to blow up to be called a terrorist? An entire city? I never liked New York anyway.

Or that guy who shot up that Universal Union Church back before the election? Wait the guy was white and didn't do it in the name of Islam.

Jim Adkisson shot up a Liberal church so he's considered a Real American Hero™, not a dirty Muslim terrorist if course.

No blacks, dogs, Irish or Muslims *nods*

No blacks, dogs, Irish or Muslims *nods*

"Sensible policies for a happier Britain."

No blacks, dogs, Irish or Muslims *nods*

You forgot poor people.

Bloody ridiculous.

You forgot poor people.

Nope, blacks is there at the start :p

Nope, blacks is there at the start :p

Owwww....

*high fives*

Owwww....

*high fives*

Thats pretty slack.

No blacks, dogs, Irish or Muslims *nods*

Heh, the Jew escapes again...