Can you code a webpage by hand?
Angels World
30-12-2008, 22:40
Scraping thread.
Kamsaki-Myu
30-12-2008, 22:43
<html>
<head>
<title>A Webpage</title>
</head>
<body>
This is a webpage.
</body>
</html>
That do?
Forsakia
30-12-2008, 22:45
No, not even nearly. Just by looking at it I break something. I'm possibly the most computer illiterate offspring of two computing teachers to ever exist.
Angels World
30-12-2008, 22:46
Yeah. Am reposting this though since I forgot to add a poll. :(
Angels World
30-12-2008, 22:49
NSG survey. :) Just curious.
Rambhutan
30-12-2008, 22:50
Are two threads really needed?
Making web pages is not coding. ¬.¬[/computerscientist]
Seriously, not much of one. I could have if I had done more work in Web Multimedia.....
Rambhutan
30-12-2008, 22:53
Wow it is like an angel heard our pleas and merged the threads.
Wow it is like an angel heard our pleas and merged the threads.
MODS = GODS :p
Or angels, whatever ¬.¬
Angels World
30-12-2008, 23:01
Wow it is like an angel heard our pleas and merged the threads.
Lol. I am having technical difficulties. This wasn't supposed to happen. There was supposed to be a poll, and I recieved a forum error saying that the thread was not valid when I tried to submit it. Hmm.
Exilia and Colonies
30-12-2008, 23:10
NSG Forums
Just try and do better.
Yes. Though I loathe javascript. Turns out I even hate webpages I'm viewing that use java, so I guess my ancient hatred of it is justified.
Lol. I am having technical difficulties. This wasn't supposed to happen. There was supposed to be a poll, and I recieved a forum error saying that the thread was not valid when I tried to submit it. Hmm.
See this (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/PollonNSG.jpg) image for how to add a poll to a thread you started.
Angels World
30-12-2008, 23:34
Thanks. :)
Pure Metal
30-12-2008, 23:45
pretty much, though dreamweaver makes things lots easier
edit: but these days its all about CMS, so CSS is the most important stuff, which i do by hand. laying down some divs in a CMS template page is pretty damn easy.
I haven't worked with web site stuff in a long time, but I like css. The trick is to keep it light or browsers get sluggish, but it's a lot faster than regular html or javascript.
There was a time I was in a computer class learning how to code, and was able to code some simple stuff in Java, HTML, and the like, but I've forgotten most of it now.
And really, I don't have the patience for full time coding anyway.
HappyLesbo
31-12-2008, 00:22
Yes, I can.
Yes I can type a web page by hand, a basic page in less than 30 minutes and it takes me from only a few hours to a couple days to make some more advanced ones. I don't like using design software and much prefer working by hand.
Hydesland
31-12-2008, 01:34
<html>
<head>
<title>A Webpage</title>
</head>
<body>
This is a webpage.
</body>
</html>
That do?
You don't even need to do that. You can just open notepad, not type anything, save it as .html, and voilà!
Smunkeeville
31-12-2008, 01:58
I can. I like CSS because it's cleaner than html and java, IMO. I am learning xml which is not clean and not pretty, but is something I need to know.
Like with a pencil or pen? Why would anyone want to do that?
Pure Metal
31-12-2008, 02:01
Like with a pencil or pen? Why would anyone want to do that?
scan it and see what happens.
Angels World
31-12-2008, 02:10
So CSS is better than HTML? I knew CSS was good to use as an add in but I didn't know it was better in terms of building websites with it.
Pure Metal
31-12-2008, 02:16
So CSS is better than HTML? I knew CSS was good to use as an add in but I didn't know it was better in terms of building websites with it.
you have to use both. keep your content in HTML and your design in CSS (apart from the necessary css hooks like <link rel> for the stylesheet and div tags to position the CSS on the page)
but yes, CSS gives greater control, more freedom to do what you want, more options, and is quicker to load than inline styles in html. its also easier to do sitewide changes with stylesheets
it can also help you be more standards compliant, but it can also be a total pain in the ass in that respect, lol :P
edit: CSS can also give you fancy options, like the ability for users to select the layout/design they prefer just by loading a different stylesheet
Smunkeeville
31-12-2008, 02:16
So CSS is better than HTML? I knew CSS was good to use as an add in but I didn't know it was better in terms of building websites with it.
It really depends on what kind of website you're making, often you need more than one language to get the results you want. You can't do everything ever with html.
South Lorenya
31-12-2008, 06:39
Why yes, I always write webpages (http://www.geocities.com/charizardatma/index.html) by hand (http://www.geocities.com/charizardatma/kitten/)
Now, I don't make professional webpages, just simply ones that don't usually get shared much, but so what?
The Alma Mater
31-12-2008, 07:36
<html>
<head>
<title>A Webpage</title>
</head>
<body>
This is a webpage.
</body>
</html>
That do?
You forgot the doctype declaration ;)
Risottia
31-12-2008, 09:03
see www.ugis.it . the code and the css is ALL hand-made by me.
i had a really crappy editor once, that was pretty much just doing by hand. i looked at pages i liked and got the general idea from them, used the nonspecific parts as templets, learned a few codes, you know, really basic basic stuff, like anchors and using images as anchors to have klick on the thumbnail to see the big one and made my own buttons/icons for on my page that way. i thought it looked pretty good. i think lananaran embassy can still be found on freewebs, hasn't been updated since 2002. never learned any of the fancy stuff, not even tables, no style sheets or any of that, anyway that was all once upon a time back then, haven't tried to keep up or learn all the xml goodies, let alone php or any of that. just kind of a really low priority to ever get around to that so i probably never will. i mean, if isp's ever started giving away free space with acounts like they did back in the 90s when i was first getting on line, i'd think about it. right now i don't much see the point for myself.
South Lorenya
31-12-2008, 09:31
You forgot the doctype declaration ;)
doctype is strictly optional.
Risottia
31-12-2008, 09:39
doctype is strictly optional.
Not since HTML 4.01
from the HTML 4.01 definitions, http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html
7.2 HTML version information
A valid HTML document declares what version of HTML is used in the document. The document type declaration names the document type definition (DTD) in use for the document (see [ISO8879]).
HTML 4.01 specifies three DTDs, so authors must include one of the following document type declarations in their documents. The DTDs vary in the elements they support.
The HTML 4.01 Strict DTD includes all elements and attributes that have not been deprecated or do not appear in frameset documents. For documents that use this DTD, use this document type declaration: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
The HTML 4.01 Transitional DTD includes everything in the strict DTD plus deprecated elements and attributes (most of which concern visual presentation). For documents that use this DTD, use this document type declaration: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
The HTML 4.01 Frameset DTD includes everything in the transitional DTD plus frames as well. For documents that use this DTD, use this document type declaration: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd
...thou shalt take thy Holy DTD of Antioch and declare: not to frame, not to strict, xml is right out!
Anti-Social Darwinism
31-12-2008, 09:41
Yeah. Am reposting this though since I forgot to add a poll. :(
Could you have added a "Why would I need or want to?" option?
Kamsaki-Myu
31-12-2008, 10:10
You don't even need to do that. You can just open notepad, not type anything, save it as .html, and voilà!
Yes, but then it wouldn't be "A Webpage". It would just be a webpage. And I like putting quotation marks around things.
Not since HTML 4.01
Durn kids muckin' about wit mah markup language. We dun need no fancy doctypes - back in mah day, we done had our server-side scripting t' take carea that kinda junk.
Risottia
31-12-2008, 11:32
Durn kids muckin' about wit mah markup language. We dun need no fancy doctypes - back in mah day, we done had our server-side scripting t' take carea that kinda junk.
In the times of yore, I used BBS, and a 2400 baud modem was state-of-the-art technology.
HappyLesbo
31-12-2008, 11:38
I can. I like CSS because it's cleaner than html and java, IMO. I am learning xml which is not clean and not pretty, but is something I need to know.
That is a sentence from someone who has no clue what she is talking about. I want to see how you code a page in css alone. XML is the cleanest markup notation of all. :mad:
I do all my web coding in notepad (well, notepad++, actually. I want my line numbers.)
That is a sentence from someone who has no clue what she is talking about. I want to see how you code a page in css alone. XML is the cleanest markup notation of all. :mad:
Yeah. I'm wondering why the combination of XML and XSLT (or whatever the XML version of CSS is called...) hasn't taken a bigger flight. Defining your own structural elements and then define how they should be displayed...bliss if you ask me.
Peepelonia
31-12-2008, 13:37
Meh!I haven't done any web stuff for abotu 10 years or so, but I used to used good old fashioned Notepad when I did, so even though I am bound to have forgotten huge chunks, I'm going with yes!
HappyLesbo
31-12-2008, 13:52
Yeah. I'm wondering why the combination of XML and XSLT (or whatever the XML version of CSS is called...) hasn't taken a bigger flight. Defining your own structural elements and then define how they should be displayed...bliss if you ask me.Well, for the web the output is still rendered in HTML. I am using XSLT mainly in an industrial environment to transform one XML structure into another. For simple web pages it is too much of a maintenance effort, while HTML/CSS/PHP/JavaScript are just fine there, although I prefer aspx and c# :)
HappyLesbo
31-12-2008, 13:52
Meh!I haven't done any web stuff for abotu 10 years or so, but I used to used good old fashioned Notepad when I did, so even though I am bound to have forgotten huge chunks, I'm going with yes!You mean Notepad++
Peepelonia
31-12-2008, 14:02
You mean Notepad++
Huh? No man just Notepad that comes bundelded with Windows.
HappyLesbo
31-12-2008, 14:06
Huh? No man just Notepad that comes bundelded with Windows.yuck ;)
Kamsaki-Myu
31-12-2008, 14:27
yuck ;)
I do most of my coding in gedit or kwrite nowadays, which are much the same. Admittedly, they do have code highlighting, but since it only comes into effect if you manually turn it on or give the file a valid extension, more often than not you don't really use it until debug-time.
Dumb Ideologies
31-12-2008, 14:59
No, I cannot. Its not something I have ever needed to do, so I've never learned how its done. I don't get on well with computers generally, truth be told.
New Genoa
31-12-2008, 20:03
So CSS is better than HTML? I knew CSS was good to use as an add in but I didn't know it was better in terms of building websites with it.
CSS usually is; that is, until you have to make sure the page renders correctly in internet explorer and jump through all sorts of loops to get it to appear correctly.
Smunkeeville
31-12-2008, 20:10
That is a sentence from someone who has no clue what she is talking about. I want to see how you code a page in css alone. XML is the cleanest markup notation of all. :mad:
I never said that I would code a whole page in CSS, just that I like the way it works better. I am still trying to learn XML and don't have a full grasp on it yet, but it's frustrating the hell out of me.
Linux and the X
31-12-2008, 20:27
XML is easy. It's like HTML, except ANYTHING YOU WANT is a tag.
Conserative Morality
31-12-2008, 20:35
Yeah, I can make one by hand (if only barely).
One-O-One
31-12-2008, 21:40
scan it and see what happens.
My scanner actually has a text-to-text thing so it outputs written things as words...this could turn out cool. Now, to learn to handwrite in Arial font...
Pure Metal
01-01-2009, 02:59
My scanner actually has a text-to-text thing so it outputs written things as words...this could turn out cool. Now, to learn to handwrite in Arial font...
lol! writing in fixed-width handwriting is probably pretty hard :P
CSS usually is; that is, until you have to make sure the page renders correctly in internet explorer and jump through all sorts of loops to get it to appear correctly.
and that's where things start to get less standards compliant... throwing in conditional comments in the html and the css just for IE. i've given up and gone back to tables in the past because of the vast differences between different browers' rendering of my designs :mad:
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4509/timebreakdowncb1.png
what's annoying is that Opera is the most standards compliant browser (for the PC, at least, according to recent Acid3 scores, iirc) but so much of the net doesn't work properly with it, simply because everybody still has to code specially for IE and, less often, specially for Firefox too.
what IE should do is patch old versions of IE to render with the IE8 engine, which is supposed to be better. that would go a long way to meaning web designers don't keep stabbing themselves in the eyes when old versions of IE throws a wobbly.... but it would kinda break half of the internet for older and non-compliant sites :headbang:
Velka Morava
01-01-2009, 14:35
I do all my coding in notepad (HTML, XML, Jscript, C++).
That enough "by hand" for you?
Making web pages is not coding. ¬.¬[/computerscientist]
Seriously, not much of one. I could have if I had done more work in Web Multimedia.....
Sorry to disappoint you but i make my pages with lots of embedded Jscript code.
HappyLesbo
01-01-2009, 15:11
I never said that I would code a whole page in CSS, just that I like the way it works better. I am still trying to learn XML and don't have a full grasp on it yet, but it's frustrating the hell out of me.
What can't you grasp on XML??
XML is easy. It's like HTML, except ANYTHING YOU WANT is a tag.XML is not a format description language like HTML.
Draistania
01-01-2009, 19:31
I use premade templates if they are available, but I can look it up if necessary.
I learned on HTML when version 4 was current, but I haven't done it in a long time. (once upon a long time ago, but not much on the current stuff.)
New Genoa
01-01-2009, 20:12
I learned on HTML when version 4 was current, but I haven't done it in a long time. (once upon a long time ago, but not much on the current stuff.)
XHTML isn't all too different. Formatting tags and attributes have been tossed (so no <center>, <font>, etc) in favor of using stylesheets. And all tags just enforce the rules of XML.
Smunkeeville
02-01-2009, 02:03
What can't you grasp on XML??
I have trouble with markup languages anyway, and I've trained my brain to work in a way to where HTML and CSS speak coherently and XML is so very different, it's like re-training my brain.
UNIverseVERSE
02-01-2009, 19:02
I can write standards compliant HTML and CSS by hand. I also refuse to tweak for browsers --- I stick to the standard, and IE's problems are IE's problems.
I haven't worked with web site stuff in a long time, but I like css. The trick is to keep it light or browsers get sluggish, but it's a lot faster than regular html or javascript.
CSS, HTML, and Javascript all do different things. HTML is markup, CSS is style, Javascript is bloat.
I do all my web coding in notepad (well, notepad++, actually. I want my line numbers.)
Yeah. I'm wondering why the combination of XML and XSLT (or whatever the XML version of CSS is called...) hasn't taken a bigger flight. Defining your own structural elements and then define how they should be displayed...bliss if you ask me.
Overkill for most purposes, that's why.
You mean Notepad++
I mean Emacs. If you are going to be elitist about editors, be elitist about real editors.
What can't you grasp on XML??
XML is not a format description language like HTML.
Yes it is. They are both markup languages, just one is more general than the other. At heart, they are both derivatives of SGML, and have the same purpose --- providing information about the structure of data.
Dorksonian
02-01-2009, 19:18
No,"but I can core a apple". *
* Ed Norton - Honeymooners 1955