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Virginity Pledge Doesn’t Stop Teen Sex: Teenagers Who Take Virginity Pledges No Less Sexually Active, More Likely to Forgo Birth Control, Condoms (http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20081229/virginity-pledge-doesnt-stop-teen-sex)
By Jennifer Warner WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD
Dec. 29, 2008 --

Teenagers who take virginity pledges are no less sexually active than other teens, according to a new study.

But the results, published in the journal Pediatrics, suggest that virginity pledgers are less likely to protect themselves against pregnancy or disease when they do have sex.

Researchers say the findings suggest that virginity pledges may not significantly affect teenagers' sexual behavior. Instead, they may decrease the likelihood of teenagers taking precautions, such as using a condom or using birth control, when they do have sex.

Virginity Pledge May Lead to Risky Sex
Researchers say the federal government spends about $200 million annually on abstinence promotion programs, which include virginity pledges. Two previous studies have suggested that virginity pledges can delay sex, but researchers say those studies did not account for pre-existing differences between pledgers and non-pledgers.

In this study, researchers compared the sexual behavior of 289 teenagers who reported taking a virginity pledge in a 1996 national survey to 645 non-pledgers who were matched on more than 100 factors, such as religious beliefs and attitudes toward sex and birth control.

The results showed that five years after taking the virginity pledge:


82% of pledgers denied ever having taken the pledge.


Pledgers and matched non-pledgers did not differ in rates of premarital sex, sexually transmitted disease, and oral and anal sex behaviors.


Pledgers had 0.1 fewer sexual partners in the past year but did not differ from non-pledgers in the number of lifetime sexual partners and the age of first sex.


The biggest difference between the two groups came in the area of condom and birth control use. The study showed that fewer pledgers used birth control or condoms in the past year or any form of birth control the last time they had sex.

Researcher Janet Elise Rosenbaum, PHD, of Harvard University, says the findings suggest that health care providers should provide birth control information to all teenagers, especially virginity pledgers.

Here is a link to the full published study (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/123/1/e110) (which I admit I haven't read yet). Here is a link to pdf version (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/123/1/e110) (13 pages).

Of course these results are consistent with copious other studies of virginity pledges and abstinence-only sex education. We are doing our children a disservice with these types of programs.

i am completely surprised at this finding.

It's almost as though teenagers WANT to have sex! Madness! In b4 Sparta

But the rings symbolizes that they are super-duper ceral about being virgins! This is the work of the devil and his minions!

Speaking as the founding organizer of the Montana "Keep a Hymen for Christ" youth abstinence rally and snowboard rental co-op, I think YOU are the one doing a disservice here.

Getting a teenager to promise that they aren't going to do something is a sacred promise, and is far more powerful than things like biology. You, in your sinfulness, reduce them to mere flesh, but they are more. They are souls consecrated to Christ, and if they say they aren't going to put their dirty dingles into one another's bathing suit area, they won't.

I blame the parents!

(the Church-driven Republican non-virginal hypocrites!)

Speaking as the founding organizer of the Montana "Keep a Hymen for Christ" youth abstinence rally and snowboard rental co-op, I think YOU are the one doing a disservice here.

Getting a teenager to promise that they aren't going to do something is a sacred promise, and is far more powerful than things like biology. You, in your sinfulness, reduce them to mere flesh, but they are more. They are souls consecrated to Christ, and if they say they aren't going to put their dirty dingles into one another's bathing suit area, they won't.

I can't tell if this is satire or serious.

Anyways, you should know by now that talk is cheap, actions is where it matters.

A scared promise that can be broken like any other promise because humans are fallible, mind you.

i am completely surprised at this finding.

What, the part about not differing in anal behaviours?

Yeah, you'd think those big opal rings wouldn't feel very good when doing the three knuckle sanchez...

Speaking as the founding organizer of the Montana "Keep a Hymen for Christ" youth abstinence rally and snowboard rental co-op, I think YOU are the one doing a disservice here.

Getting a teenager to promise that they aren't going to do something is a sacred promise, and is far more powerful than things like biology. You, in your sinfulness, reduce them to mere flesh, but they are more. They are souls consecrated to Christ, and if they say they aren't going to put their dirty dingles into one another's bathing suit area, they won't.

:D:p:wink:

Unfortunately they don't have the sense to lie about where they put their dirty dingles five years after the pledge. Instead, they lie about taking the pledge. :eek:

I can't tell if this is satire or serious.

Anyways, you should know by now that talk is cheap, actions is where it matters.

Taking a pledge is an action, its not just talk. Its where teenagers make a very public showing of a certain attitude, to their parents and authority figures. This will naturally govern their private behavior with their peers, specifically that kind of heavy girl with low self-esteem but great boobs, who doesn't feel smart or talented, but is finding that she can get attention with promiscuity, but hey, she signed a pledge, so she'll just have to wait until that wedding night!

What, the part about not differing in anal behaviours?

Yeah, you'd think those big opal rings wouldn't feel very good when doing the three knuckle sanchez...
hey! dont be disgusting. im delicate, like a flower.

:D:p:wink:

Unfortunately they don't have the sense to lie about where they put their dirty dingles five years after the pledge. Instead, they lie about taking the pledge. :eek:

That's awesome. I wonder if the survey taker went "Um, no you took it, right here, back in the 90's, you said you took it."

"That's not my name."

"Is this your handwriting?"

"No, that's some virgin's handwriting, I fuck a lot. Bigger swoops on my L's."

"I see. So, you never took an abstinence pledge."

"No."

"You say you fuck a lot, do you use a prophylactic?"

"I don't know what that is."

hey! dont be disgusting. im delicate, like a flower.

Blossoming in slow motion, its petals slightly dewy, spreading, gently...

Right before the footage of the train going into the tunnel.

That's awesome. I wonder if the survey taker went "Um, no you took it, right here, back in the 90's, you said you took it."

It was almost certainly anonymous. If not, the results are pretty meaningless.

(Though with that kind of lie rate, the reliability might be questionable anyway. Not that I doubt the conclusion.)

In his book, New Rules, Bill Maher cites an anonymous poll of teenage girls who took abstinence pledges (or something similar). The poll found that they were far more likely to give it up anally or engage in oral sex in order to live by the letter of the pledge, if not the spirit. If I'd have known in high school that abstinence pledges might have gotten me porn-star-level sex, I'd have been COMPLETELY supportive of abstinence-only sex-ed.

I find it hilarious that abstinence opened the floodgates to anal and blow jobs. I find that more hilarious than the Bristol Palin pregnancy.

Words can't restrain you... a real virginity pledge is an attitude, not words that you say.

That's awesome. I wonder if the survey taker went "Um, no you took it, right here, back in the 90's, you said you took it."

"That's not my name."

"Is this your handwriting?"

"No, that's some virgin's handwriting, I fuck a lot. Bigger swoops on my L's."

"I see. So, you never took an abstinence pledge."

"No."

"You say you fuck a lot, do you use a prophylactic?"

"I don't know what that is."

"No, I use amateurphylactics. That's why I'm preggers."

In his book, New Rules, Bill Maher cites an anonymous poll of teenage girls who took abstinence pledges (or something similar). The poll found that they were far more likely to give it up anally or engage in oral sex in order to live by the letter of the pledge, if not the spirit. If I'd have known in high school that abstinence pledges might have gotten me porn-star-level sex, I'd have been COMPLETELY supportive of abstinence-only sex-ed.

I find it hilarious that abstinence opened the floodgates to anal and blow jobs. I find that more hilarious than the Bristol Palin pregnancy.

Great, jerk, now I have to rename my youth abstinence group from "Keep a Hymen for Christ" to "Keep a Hymen for Christ, And Don't Get or Give Anal For God, and in the Name of the Holy Spirit, Don't Take a Load in the Mouth."

I don't like you.

and in related news....

bristol palin (who i think took that pledge) had her baby today. she named him TRIPP.

Great, jerk, now I have to rename my youth abstinence group from "Keep a Hymen for Christ" to "Keep a Hymen for Christ, And Don't Get or Give Anal For God, and in the Name of the Holy Spirit, Don't Take a Load in the Mouth."

I don't like you.

Titfucking still good?

It was almost certainly anonymous. If not, the results are pretty meaningless.

(Though with that kind of lie rate, the reliability might be questionable anyway. Not that I doubt the conclusion.)

Never doubt the reliability of a study that supports your views.

That's just damn unAmerican.

Titfucking still good?

Yes. Yes it is good......what?

It was almost certainly anonymous. If not, the results are pretty meaningless.

(Though with that kind of lie rate, the reliability might be questionable anyway. Not that I doubt the conclusion.)

That makes sense.

I'm surprised they lied. There should have been a box to check that said:

"Yeah, I signed an abstinence pledge. Then I found out what fucking was like, so I fuck now."

Great, jerk, now I have to rename my youth abstinence group from "Keep a Hymen for Christ" to "Keep a Hymen for Christ, And Don't Get or Give Anal For God, and in the Name of the Holy Spirit, Don't Take a Load in the Mouth."

I don't like you.

Sorry. How about something more streamlined?

Hymen-Positive, No Sex in Ass or Mouth (HyPNo SAM).

and in related news....

bristol palin (who i think took that pledge) had her baby today. she named him TRIPP.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on the Palin names, over?

Titfucking still good?

No! Stop it! Sex is never good!

You can't tell teenagers anything other than "Don't do it".

If you give them information beyond that, Christ only knows what they'll do.

Look, Cat Tribes doesn't know what he's talking about. He thinks that educating young people will reduce their risk of disease, unplanned pregnancy, even painful AIDS related death.

But Jesus wants something more for these kids. He wants them to keep it in their damn pants.

Teenage Sex: Just Tell Them Its Bad, and They Won't Do It (tm, Baldwin for Christ)

I can't tell if this is satire or serious.
Mmmm, Poe's Law.
Words can't restrain you... a real virginity pledge is an attitude, not words that you say.
Eh, a pledge is just words......
and in related news....

bristol palin (who i think took that pledge) had her baby today. she named him TRIPP.

You best be trippin'

Researcher Janet Elise Rosenbaum, PHD, of Harvard University, says the findings suggest that health care providers should provide birth control information to all teenagers, especially virginity pledgers.

:tongue:

That made me laugh.


And I kinda pictured it weirdly:

"Have you taken the pledge?"

"No."

"OK. Have safe sex! Here's a condom. Next!
So, have you taken the pledge?"

"Yes."

"Right, let's see... Here's your case of condoms, one box of female condoms, pamphlets on pregnancy, birth control, abortion and adoption, one vibrator, one blow-up doll type sheep (You are from Wales, right?) and your Spanish fly. Have fun being abstinent!"

Speaking as the founding organizer of the Montana "Keep a Hymen for Christ" youth abstinence rally and snowboard rental co-op, I think YOU are the one doing a disservice here.

Getting a teenager to promise that they aren't going to do something is a sacred promise, and is far more powerful than things like biology. You, in your sinfulness, reduce them to mere flesh, but they are more. They are souls consecrated to Christ, and if they say they aren't going to put their dirty dingles into one another's bathing suit area, they won't.

People lie all the time. Go back on their word. It's a possibility.

Oh, and I'm shocked by this. Shocked, I say!

I can't tell if this is satire or serious.

Wait, seriously? You can't?

:tongue:

That made me laugh.

Me, too.

"Oh, you're abstinent? Have a condom."

But Jesus wants something more for these kids. He wants them to keep it in their damn pants.

Of course, the best thing you can do for them is to help them hold it in their pants... right?

Sorry. How about something more streamlined?

Hymen-Positive, No Sex in Ass or Mouth (HyPNo SAM).



Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on the Palin names, over?
in my family we avoid having names that are too too much like someone else's in the family (except for those that are exactly the same because someone is named after them) tripp and trigg being born in the same year are going to have a tough time of it.

im supposing that bristol will be living with her mother for some time to come.

Mmmm, Poe's Law.

That there is a maximum desirable length for poems: "the unit of poetry must be fixed by the reader's capacity of attention, and ... the limits of a poem must accord with the limits of a single movement of intellectual apprehension and emotional exaltation"

:confused:

Wait, seriously? You can't?

It's the "snowboard hire" part. It's confusing.

Have any of the religious people ever stopped to think that without sex god would have noone to believe in him and of course without belief god is nothing, and while we're on that one, if without belief he is nothing then how would it be possible for him to exist before anyone was there to believe in him?

That there is a maximum desirable length for poems: "the unit of poetry must be fixed by the reader's capacity of attention, and ... the limits of a poem must accord with the limits of a single movement of intellectual apprehension and emotional exaltation"

:confused:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poe%27s+Law

Have any of the religious people ever stopped to think that without sex god would have noone to believe in him and of course without belief god is nothing, and while we're on that one, if without belief he is nothing then how would it be possible for him to exist before anyone was there to believe in him?

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021011h.gif

That there is a maximum desirable length for poems: "the unit of poetry must be fixed by the reader's capacity of attention, and ... the limits of a poem must accord with the limits of a single movement of intellectual apprehension and emotional exaltation"

:confused:

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing"
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poe%27s+Law

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing"
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law

Ahh.

It makes a lot more sense now.

Taking a pledge is an action, its not just talk. Its where teenagers make a very public showing of a certain attitude, to their parents and authority figures. This will naturally govern their private behavior with their peers, specifically that kind of heavy girl with low self-esteem but great boobs, who doesn't feel smart or talented, but is finding that she can get attention with promiscuity, but hey, she signed a pledge, so she'll just have to wait until that wedding night!

My parents don't know I'm Pagan, they think I'm just a lapsed Catholic. People can, and do lie to other people. Hell it's one of the reason I'm a cynic.

Have any of the religious people ever stopped to think that without sex god would have noone to believe in him and of course without belief god is nothing, and while we're on that one, if without belief he is nothing then how would it be possible for him to exist before anyone was there to believe in him?

We aren't against sex, we're against fornication, which is sex without marriage.

And you assume that God is nothing without belief. That's untrue. It says in the Bible that God is a time-indepedent uncollapsed probability wave that can exist without any observer, much less a believer.

We aren't against sex, we're against fornication, which is sex without marriage.

And you assume that God is nothing without belief. That's untrue. It says in the Bible that God is a time-indepedent uncollapsed probability wave that can exist without any observer, much less a believer.

Yes, but Douglas Adams said that God is nothing without belief. Who are you going to believe?

My parents don't know I'm Pagan, they think I'm just a lapsed Catholic. People can, and do lie to other people. Hell it's one of the reason I'm a cynic.

Just because you are a liar doesn't mean that other teenagers are. Some of them obey the ten commandments and don't bear false witness.

Its like I tell the kids in my Wednesday Night Hip Hop with Jehovah Pizza and Scripture Skate and Rap Night, "Let your word be your bond, yo".

Yes, but Douglas Adams said that God is nothing without belief. Who are you going to believe?

Douglas Adams is in his grave. Jesus is not. Jesus'ses's grave is empty.

Douglas Adams is in his grave. Jesus is not. Jesus'ses's grave is empty.

That's what you think.

Where do you imagine we put L Ron Hubbard in the hope he would rise again to guide us on the true path?

If Jesus' grave is empty, what proof of his existence do we have?

Just because you are a liar doesn't mean that other teenagers are. Some of them obey the ten commandments and don't bear false witness.

Its like I tell the kids in my Wednesday Night Hip Hop with Jehovah Pizza and Scripture Skate and Rap Night, "Let your word be your bond, yo".

Actually I never lied, they came to that conclusion themselves. As for the second part...wow...I'm glad I never went to a Youth Group.

If Jesus' grave is empty, what proof of his existence do we have?

An empty grave. Well, a hole purported to be an empty grave. Really, more of a region that is believed by adherents to contain a hole that is an empty grave.

But think about it. If Jesus hadn't risen from the dead, he'd still be in his grave. Thus, the onus is on YOU to produce his corpse if you choose to deny the central doctrines of Christianity.

And it really has to be the corpse of Jesus, or I won't believe you.

This would make one sweet ass episode of CSI...

Actually I never lied, they came to that conclusion themselves. As for the second part...wow...I'm glad I never went to a Youth Group.

Lying by omission is still lying. Letting them believe that is the same is lying, just like being attracted to a woman is the same as fornicating with her. Read your scripture.

And just so you know, Paganism is just Satanism with scented vanilla candles instead of black ones. I know all about it, I read it in a Chick pamphlet.

That's what you think.

Where do you imagine we put L Ron Hubbard in the hope he would rise again to guide us on the true path?

I thought were were going to buy that golden pyramid for him? :confused:

I thought were were going to buy that golden pyramid for him? :confused:

Sush!

Don't tell people. Then they won't be surprised by the giant golden pyramid over London, the birth and burial place of Jesus.

Lying by omission is still lying. Letting them believe that is the same is lying, just like being attracted to a woman is the same as fornicating with her. Read your scripture.

And just so you know, Paganism is just Satanism with scented vanilla candles instead of black ones. I know all about it, I read it in a Chick pamphlet.

Dammit, can someone tells me if he's being serious or not? No one takes Jack Chick seriously...

Dammit, can someone tells me if he's being serious or not? No one takes Jack Chick seriously...
think back to other people who have posted outrageous things in a very articulate manner....

Dammit, can someone tells me if he's being serious or not? No one takes Jack Chick seriously...

He's Hammurab.

Dammit, can someone tells me if he's being serious or not? No one takes Jack Chick seriously...

he's not

Dammit, can someone tells me if he's being serious or not? No one takes Jack Chick seriously...

Dude, he's totally serious.

Dude, he's totally serious.

He is as serious as Ifreann is.

He is as serious as Ifreann is.

>.>
<.<
Yeah......totally.

Hammurab iz sirius bizness

Dan Savage was making the point that straight kids are having greater amounts of anal since they think it means no pregnancy and less chance of STDs.

On the other hand, gay kids are having children [there was a study on lesbians or something] due to some pressure to prove they're not gay.

So straight kids are rampant with anal, gay kids are going vaginal...

Seriously...

Of course these results are consistent with copious other studies of virginity pledges and abstinence-only sex education. We are doing our children a disservice with these types of programs.I think the disservice is that pledgers are led to believe that their pledge is all they need. Education is still a must. that's why I like Abstinence being taught, but I am against Abstinence ONLY. if my child were to take such a pledge, I would still insist that they learn about safe sex and other precautionary measures.

Better safe then sorry.

I think the disservice is that pledgers are led to believe that their pledge is all they need. Education is still a must. that's why I like Abstinence being taught, but I am against Abstinence ONLY. if my child were to take such a pledge, I would still insist that they learn about safe sex and other precautionary measures.

Better safe then sorry.

But don't you see, that very "education" makes them MORE likely to have premarital sex, something that is categorically bad. The information that Cat-Tribes posted proves that.

I don't like Red Kryptonite.

But don't you see, that very "education" makes them MORE likely to have premarital sex, something that is categorically bad. The information that Cat-Tribes posted proves that.

I don't like Red Kryptonite.

Trust me, Red Kryptonite is better than Pink Kryptonite. It makes the person affected fabulous!

Trust me, Red Kryptonite is better than Pink Kryptonite. It makes the person affected fabulous!

Pink Kryptonite is not "gay" kryptonite, that's a myth.

Pink Kryptonite is just Red Kryptonite emitting under 300 lumens of brightness.

Gay Kryptonite is kind of an eggplant color.

*snip*
Pledgers had 0.1 fewer sexual partners in the past year but did not differ from non-pledgers in the number of lifetime sexual partners and the age of first sex.
*snip*

It's really unhealthy to sleep with a non-integral number of people.

But don't you see, that very "education" makes them MORE likely to have premarital sex, something that is categorically bad. The information that Cat-Tribes posted proves that.

I don't like Red Kryptonite.

I would rather they have Safe Premarital Sex than get that call later about either being 1) a grandfather or 2) parent to a child spreading an STD.

I chose to wait till marriage. but that is MY choice. I didn't make any pledge to anyone else, nor did I get those bands. I still learned about Safe Sex so I know what I need to know.

*Gives BfC Blue Kryptonite.*

It's really unhealthy to sleep with a non-integral number of people.

Its necessary to reconcile the comparative sexual value of men to women. Sleeping with lots of women isn't counted as much as sleeping with lots of men.

For example, if a guy sleeps with 10 women, he's normal. If a woman sleeps with 10 men, she's a dirty whore. Thus, women count as 0.1 sexual encounters.

I would rather they have Safe Premarital Sex than get that call later about either being 1) a grandfather or 2) parent to a child spreading an STD.

I chose to wait till marriage. but that is MY choice. I didn't make any pledge to anyone else, nor did I get those bands. I still learned about Safe Sex so I know what I need to know.

*Gives BfC Blue Kryptonite.*

Yet clearly, learning about things like latex, virii, other microbial pathogens, and basic human reproductive health robbed you of your innocence. You're only lucky that God sent you a man to marry you before you gave into your informed, and therefor sinful, choices.

Yet clearly, learning about things like latex, virii, other microbial pathogens, and basic human reproductive health robbed you of your innocence. You're only lucky that God sent you a man to marry you before you gave into your informed, and therefor sinful, choices.

two points.
1) I am not married.
2) I am male.

two points.
1) I am not married.
2) I am male.
seems that you have missed your chance for gay marriage...

two points.
1) I am not married.
2) I am male.

Well, sorry, but God doesn't make mistakes. Your prince will come.

The OP makes me very happy. :D I like the idea of the young people enjoying themselves, and I even more like the idea of the utter failure of those I consider my enemies (those young people's parents).

Oh and to Baldwin for Christ... *pounces; knocks out BfC's knees; beats him up fast and hard and leaves him feeling as if he just had rough sex; walks away* Welcome back.

Oh, and your movies suck. :p

The OP makes me very happy. :D I like the idea of the young people enjoying themselves, and I even more like the idea of the utter failure of those I consider my enemies (those young people's parents).

Oh and to Baldwin for Christ... *pounces; knocks out BfC's knees; beats him up fast and hard and leaves him feeling as if he just had rough sex; walks away* Welcome back.

Oh, and your movies suck. :p

Correction. SOME of my movies suck, the ones I made before I found Christ. You know, Usual Suspects. My recent, post-Salvation cinema is brilliant.

For those of you that have kids are considering allowing them to sin, fornicate, ruin the temple that is their bodies, take a biology class, or anything else that will hurt their chances of a Christ centered marriage, please send them to my next event, Steven Baldwins Extreme Sexless Teen Abstinence Concert and Timeshare Expo to be held this February at the Milwaukee junior college lacrosse fields.

Be there, or burn in hell.

Yay! I'm gonna burn in hell! *runs around with arms in the air*

At any rate, on topic, I'm none too surprised by any of this. Interesting sidenote: this is Lust night for Seven Deadly Sins week on the History Channel and they are playing other sex-related programming to go with it.

Oh silly American government and abstinence programs. :P

Honestly I don't see why we just follow Western Europe's example.

Speaking as the founding organizer of the Montana "Keep a Hymen for Christ" youth abstinence rally and snowboard rental co-op, I think YOU are the one doing a disservice here.

Getting a teenager to promise that they aren't going to do something is a sacred promise, and is far more powerful than things like biology. You, in your sinfulness, reduce them to mere flesh, but they are more. They are souls consecrated to Christ, and if they say they aren't going to put their dirty dingles into one another's bathing suit area, they won't.

Is it wrong of me to find this arousing?

Is it wrong of me to find this arousing?

Christ always ends up getting the hot chicks....damn his eyes!

Oh silly American government and abstinence programs. :P

Honestly I don't see why we just follow Western Europe's example.

lol Europe.

Did this actually surprise anyone?

Did this actually surprise anyone?

Only foolish parents.

Honestly, Prohibition and The Satanic Verses are historical precedents that prove the more aggressively you prohibit something that's not inherently lethal, the more people want them.

Hell, if the evangelicals encouraged or even mandated that kids try to have sex, they'd abstain out of sheer rebellion.

Of course these results are consistent with copious other studies of virginity pledges and abstinence-only sex education. We are doing our children a disservice with these types of programs.

Cat-Tribe, I have enormous respect for your opinion. There aren't a lot of people I look to for well-informed good judgment, but you're near the top of the list of non-celebrities that I don't know personally.

That said I must strongly disagree with your assessment here. I can only wish there had been more programs like these in the New York City school system when I attended there. I used to have a devil of a time getting laid, and I can't help but think this would have made a difference for me.

Teenagers who take virginity pledges are no less sexually active than other teens, according to a new study.

But the results, published in the journal [I]Pediatrics, suggest that virginity pledgers are less likely to protect themselves against pregnancy or disease when they do have sex.


As we say in Italy,

"Le Figlie di Maria
son le prime
a darla via!"

that is: Mary's Daughters (that is, zealot girls) are the first who give away their... uh... well... let's say "purity"? ;)

As we say in Italy,

"Le Figlie di Maria
son le prime
a darla via!"

that is: Mary's Daughters (that is, zealot girls) are the first who give away their... uh... well... let's say "purity"? ;)
"Mary's Daughters", huh? My mom's generation used to call them "Preacher's Kids", for both the girls and the boys. The common wisdom was, the more puritanical the parents, the more wild the kids would be. There's even a song about it, "Son of a Preacher Man":

Billy-ray was a preachers son
And when his daddy would visit hed come along
When they gathered round and started talkin
Thats when billy would take me walkin
A-through the back yard wed go walkin
Then hed look into my eyes
Lord knows to my surprise

The only one who could ever reach me
Was the son of a preacher man
The only boy who could ever teach me
Was the son of a preacher man
Yes he was, he was, mmm, yes he was

Being good isnt always easy
No matter how hard I try
When he started sweet-talkin to me
Hed come and tell me everything is all right
Hed kiss and tell me everything is all right
Can I get away again tonight?

The only one who could ever reach me
Was the son of a preacher man
The only boy who could ever teach me
Was the son of a preacher man
Yes he was, he was, lord knows he was

How well I remember
The look that was in his eyes
Stealin kisses from me on the sly
Takin time to make time
Tellin me that hes all mine
Learnin from each others knowing
Lookin to see how much weve grown

And the only one who could ever reach me
Was the son of a preacher man
The only boy who could ever teach me
Was the son of a preacher man
Yes he was, he was, oh, yes he was
He was the sweet-talking son of a preacher man
I guessed he was the son of a preacher man
Sweet-lovin son of a preacher man
Ahh, move me

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/dusty+springfield/son+of+a+preacher+man_20043866.html

Only foolish parents.

Who likely still don't believe it and think it is some sort of ploy to get their children to start having sex.

That said I must strongly disagree with your assessment here. I can only wish there had been more programs like these in the New York City school system when I attended there. I used to have a devil of a time getting laid, and I can't help but think this would have made a difference for me.

I never had a problem even though we didn't have such programs because I knew where the local Catholic schools were. Ah, fond memories.

Pink Kryptonite is not "gay" kryptonite, that's a myth.

Pink Kryptonite is just Red Kryptonite emitting under 300 lumens of brightness.

Gay Kryptonite is kind of an eggplant color.

Kryptonite aubergine? Mauve kryptonite?

Well, sorry, but God doesn't make mistakes. Your prince will come.

Only if she's tight enough.



What?

Y'know, my school had a sex ed program that, while it advocated abstinence as the only surefire way to not get pregnant or catch an STD, it also went on about safe sex and all that. But it spent a considerable amount of time and imagery on STDs and pregnancy. Especially imagery.

I think it scared most everyone off of sex =p

Who likely still don't believe it and think it is some sort of ploy to get their children to start having sex.

You can lead a fool to knowledge but you can't make it think

I think the disservice is that pledgers are led to believe that their pledge is all they need. Education is still a must. that's why I like Abstinence being taught, but I am against Abstinence ONLY. if my child were to take such a pledge, I would still insist that they learn about safe sex and other precautionary measures.

Better safe then sorry.

Agreed. Few (if any) object to teaching abstinence as part of comprehensive sex-education. The problem is the trend (supported by the Bush Administration in particular) has been towards abstinence-only sex education [AOSE], which simply doesn't work.

In 2008, the federal government spent $204 million on abstinence only programs -- including virginity pledges!!

Further, virginity pledges are also now used to measure AOSE program effectiveness, which the US government considers successful if they produce many virginity pledgers, irrespective of participants' sexual behavior!! That makes this latest comprehensive study of virginity pledges particularly telling.

Agreed. Few (if any) object to teaching abstinence as part of comprehensive sex-education. The problem is the trend (supported by the Bush Administration in particular) has been towards abstinence-only sex education [AOSE], which simply doesn't work.

In 2008, the federal government spent $204 million on abstinence only programs -- including virginity pledges!!

Further, virginity pledges are also now used to measure AOSE program effectiveness, which the US government considers successful if they produce many virginity pledgers, irrespective of participants' sexual behavior!! That makes this latest comprehensive study of virginity pledges particularly telling.

I think the whole idea of abstinence-only is pretty stupid.

We're biological creatures. We have a built-in drive to reproduce.

From a teenage point of veiw I understand both sides of the feild in the matter. As a girl i know that girls want attention from the guys to boost self-estem and pleasure. So when a girl relizes she can geta guys attention that way the guys usually start to push the limits adn ask the girls to perform sexual acts, and in this case the girls may be relucent and scared and cover up the fact by lying to the guy about their "experience". Teenagers who generally fall into this ar mostly girls wanting to experience the wild side and try to break their miss perfect mold that they feel that have to mantain because of pledges adn being raised in church. So those girls tend to do everthing including oral sex but they tend to try and not have acually sex because they don't want a guilty conscience and unlike some teens they have been exposed to all the hardcore truth about having sex to early.But after hooking up with someone even for a quickmakeout session they learn to enjoy and then begin to crave the things they were once shy about. so they end up giving in and eventually having sex. and the other side i see because adults think that a signature should be a promise that they can never break , but i'm sorry but kids lie even they good girls lie, i've seen girls who seem innocent and pure and the nicest girl in the world around the adults like parents teachers and friends and not to mention church leaders and then hooking up and getting pretty sexual behind their backs and no one would ever know. Its a crazy mixed up world and a signture means nothing. In my opion sex and sexual acts whatever it is, is kinda like cigerattes once you have your first you just ahev to have more adn its like beer once you have your first few tastes you think your ready for a whle bottle you need the alchol just like girls feel they need sexual actites to feel good abou tthemselves. the only way to keep someone truely pure is not get that first taste of any kinda of sexual activite including kissing until she or he believes they found the person they truely love and will spend the rest of there life with adn then they can expereience all their first togteher.

Sweet zombie Jesus, PARAGRAPHS!

Y'know, my school had a sex ed program that, while it advocated abstinence as the only surefire way to not get pregnant or catch an STD, it also went on about safe sex and all that. But it spent a considerable amount of time and imagery on STDs and pregnancy. Especially imagery.

I think it scared most everyone off of sex =p

That's my biggest complaint about sex ed. in the classroom. They always have to break out the pictures of the STIs to show everyone. Yes, it's important to know the symptoms, but isn't it more important to discuss how to prevent the disease in the first place? Hell, they never even covered proper condom use in my high school classes.

Granted, my sex-ed class was like in the early 90s before the Intarwebz really caught on. With the things you find on the chans nowadays, the nasty pics thing probably isn't nearly as effective with today's kids than it was for my classmates and I =p

Maybe it was that I went to a rural school, but even in the late 90's and at the beginning of this decade it was still more difficult to find those pictures (if memory serves, a lot of that stuff took off right after I graduated in 2003, so...)

I personally believe that the parent should take a more active role in passing on good information, but I understand that's flawed by default; some parents won't pass on good information.

Sorry I didn't want to read the whole thread but I'm Christian and I think these abstinence pledges are crazy! First of all girls only take them to fit with their good girl image... How many girls do you know are actually turned on by 'that which is forbidden'. I used to be a 'bad boy' so I know girls love that sh*t. Second if they are planning on remaining abstinent then they don't carry a condom around just-in-case and then what you end up with is teen pregnancies. In conclusion teen sex is fun - just wrap it up!!!!

Heh, I say DUHHH on this subject. :p

Maybe it was that I went to a rural school, but even in the late 90's and at the beginning of this decade it was still more difficult to find those pictures (if memory serves, a lot of that stuff took off right after I graduated in 2003, so...)

I personally believe that the parent should take a more active role in passing on good information, but I understand that's flawed by default; some parents won't pass on good information.

So do you think it would be better if Mom and Dad stripped down, and demonstrated sex (and using birth control) in front of the kids?

The "eeeewww" factor might permanently scare a lot of kids out of having sex for quite some time.

Y'know, my school had a sex ed program that, while it advocated abstinence as the only surefire way to not get pregnant or catch an STD, it also went on about safe sex and all that. But it spent a considerable amount of time and imagery on STDs and pregnancy. Especially imagery.

I think it scared most everyone off of sex =p
And then you became a mod. Coincidence?
Agreed. Few (if any) object to teaching abstinence as part of comprehensive sex-education. The problem is the trend (supported by the Bush Administration in particular) has been towards abstinence-only sex education [AOSE], which simply doesn't work.

In 2008, the federal government spent $204 million on abstinence only programs -- including virginity pledges!!

Further, virginity pledges are also now used to measure AOSE program effectiveness, which the US government considers successful if they produce many virginity pledgers, irrespective of participants' sexual behavior!! That makes this latest comprehensive study of virginity pledges particularly telling.
Obviously we need to spend MORE money so we can get it right!
Sweet zombie Jesus, PARAGRAPHS!
Pair-o-graphs? :confused:
Granted, my sex-ed class was like in the early 90s before the Intarwebz really caught on. With the things you find on the chans nowadays, the nasty pics thing probably isn't nearly as effective with today's kids than it was for my classmates and I =p

One day goatse will feature in a biology class about the limits of the human body or something. One day when some /b/tard moves out of the basement and ends up teaching biology.

One day when some /b/tard moves out of the basement and ends up teaching biology.

How's that going for you by the way?:D

So do you think it would be better if Mom and Dad stripped down, and demonstrated sex (and using birth control) in front of the kids?

The "eeeewww" factor might permanently scare a lot of kids out of having sex for quite some time.

There's a difference between sitting down with the kids and having an honest, open discussion about it and "foreplay as usual." You're taking it from one extreme to the other.

There's a difference between sitting down with the kids and having an honest, open discussion about it and "foreplay as usual." You're taking it from one extreme to the other.

I bet it would deter a lot of kids from having sex. :p

There's a difference between sitting down with the kids and having an honest, open discussion about it and "foreplay as usual." You're taking it from one extreme to the other.

You're operating under the assumption that he's not seriously advocating that.

Yeah, I'm big on responsible parenting. Not just teen sex, but a lot of other problems would be better handled by parents rather than governments' hamhanded attempts to do it.

... Of course, I also think that anyone who wants to have kids needs to going through an instructional course and earn a license to breed, so... :D I'm sure that would piss off pro-lifers and pro-choicers, so....

But staying on topic, yeah. The pledges are... maybe not idiotic, per se; but these days a promise isn't worth the breath used to utter it... and even if you have it in writing... well, words are words. Actions are what matter. Of course, the pledges would probably be more effective if parents actually kept track of what their kids were getting up to. Sure, my mom's "nagging meddling" pissed me off when I was a kid, but she made sure she knew where I was going, who I was with, and I caught all unholy hell if I forgot to notify her of where I was if plans changed or I'd be out later... and if she suspected I was hiding something or lying, she made sure to have the contact info of friends' parents and stuff so she could verify my story.

Well, if we want to scar all of humanity to the point where no one wants to breed and we all die off...although, that would be a fitting end...

In 2008, the federal government spent $204 million on abstinence only programs -- including virginity pledges!!

Holy fornication!

That seems a little like a "smashing-head-against-the-wall-in-hopes-it-will-open" in light of these studies.

How's that going for you by the way?:D
Your meat creatures are too complicated. I'm doing comp sci instead so I can raise a robot army.
So do you think it would be better if Mom and Dad stripped down, and demonstrated sex (and using birth control) in front of the kids?

The "eeeewww" factor might permanently scare a lot of kids out of having sex for quite some time.

Monty Python, Meaning of Life *nods*

Holy fornication!

That seems a little like a "smashing-head-against-the-wall-in-hopes-it-will-open" in light of these studies.

God told Bush those little boys and girls would keep their pledges.

Monty Python, Meaning of Life *nods*


The man now starts making thrusting movements with his pelvic area, moving the penis up and down inside the vagina so... put it there boy, put it there... on the table... while the wife maximizes her clitoral stimulation by the shaft of the penis by pushing forward, thank you dear... now as sexual excitement mounts... what's funny Biggs?