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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/12/27/2008-12-27_caroline_kennedy_tells_daily_news_i_woul.html

"I'm really coming into this as somebody who isn't, you know, part of the system, who obviously, you know, stands for the values of, you know, the Democratic Party," Kennedy told the Daily News Saturday during a wide-ranging interview.

"I know how important it is to, you know, to be my own person. And, you know, and that would be obviously true with my relationship with the mayor."

And you thought Palin sounded dumb...

Kennedy revealed she has had several recent discussions with her former cousin-in-law, Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, who is also considered a serious candidate for the Senate seat.

"Andrew is, you know, highly qualified for this job," she said. "He's doing a, you know, a great job as attorney general, and we've spoken throughout this process."

Despite his bitter divorce from Kerry Kennedy, in which her family accused Cuomo of spilling about his wife's extramarital affair, Caroline Kennedy said the recent conversations have been amicable.

"You know, I think, you know, we're sort of, uh, sharing some of this experience. And um, as I've said, he was a friend, a family member, and um so, and uh obviously, he's, you know, he's also had an impressive career in public office."

Although Cuomo has said he is fond of Kennedy, he has refused to say whether he believes she is qualified to be senator.

Bashed as a political novice, Kennedy argued that her ties in Washington, particularly to President-elect Barack Obama, can help her deliver for New York. She denied that her interest in the seat is driven by a desire to ensure the family continues its decades-long presence in the Senate.

"It's really, you know, it's not about just the Kennedy name," she said. "It's about my own work and what I've done with those values."

What work? She couldn't be bothered to give money to the Democratic Party or any Democratic candidates, or even vote in elections.

Never ran for office, never really had a political job - wait, she had one that she never showed up for: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16803.html

Looks like her only qualification is being a Kennedy - so does this mean that the Democratic Party now espouses hereditary lineage - is their fascination with a "return to Camelot" really a desire for a birthright aristocracy?

Sheesh - you would have thought that Republicans were the monarchists (see the Bush family). But to see Democrats passing over their own hard-working rank-and-file to appoint this airhead?

Looks like her only qualification is being a Kennedy - so does this mean that the Democratic Party now espouses hereditary lineage - is their fascination with a "return to Camelot" really a desire for a birthright aristocracy?

Yes, that's it. The Democrats are really feudal monarchists. Probably part of the global warming liberal myth to control the world. Help! Fort Sumter!

Or, you know, she's just a shy person. Shy people often say "um" and "you know" and other fillers when speaking. It doesn't mean she "sounds dumb." It's not like she say makes stupid arguments - like Palin, or like you for that matter.

Yes, that's it. The Democrats are really feudal monarchists. Probably part of the global warming liberal myth to control the world. Help! Fort Sumter!

Or, you know, she's just a shy person. Shy people often say "um" and "you know" and other fillers when speaking. It doesn't mean she "sounds dumb." It's not like she say makes stupid arguments - like Palin, or like you for that matter.

Um, yeah. She doesn't have any qualifications other than her name.

Palin at least was a mayor and a governor, and had to fight a good-old-boy network to get there.

Caroline hasn't done anything other than go to Neiman Marcus.

You know, this is a bit of a silly thread.

You know, this is a bit of a silly thread.

Well, you know....

Um, yeah. She doesn't have any qualifications other than her name.


Cue whining about the Democrats fostering aristocratic dynasty.


Palin at least was a mayor and a governor, and had to fight a good-old-boy network to get there.

Yeah, but she's fucking retarded. You're trying to compare this woman to her because you think she "sounds dumb." But she isn't dumb, she's shy - a crucial difference I see you're stalwartly ignoring as usual.

And before you go whining about the Democrats, why don't you whine about how the Republicans are the ones setting up an imperial dynasty. Let's see, Bush I, Bush II, then there's Jeb Bush...

But no. It wouldn't be partisan trolling if you acknowledged that.

Where does it say she's never voted? :confused:

Cue whining about the Democrats fostering aristocratic dynasty.

Yeah, but she's fucking retarded. You're trying to compare this woman to her because you think she "sounds dumb." But she isn't dumb, she's shy - a crucial difference I see you're stalwartly ignoring as usual.

And before you go whining about the Democrats, why don't you whine about how the Republicans are the ones setting up an imperial dynasty. Let's see, Bush I, Bush II, then there's Jeb Bush...

But no. It wouldn't be partisan trolling if you acknowledged that.

Caroline Kennedy is pretty stupid, not shy.

Or, you know, she's just a shy person. Shy people often say "um" and "you know" and other fillers when speaking. It doesn't mean she "sounds dumb." It's not like she say makes stupid arguments - like Palin, or like you for that matter.

She may not be dumb, but she probably would've never even been considered for the position if she weren't a Kennedy. We Americans have a disturbing tendency to vote for candidates who come from the same families. The Clintons, Bushes, and Kennedys....

Well, you know....

You know, I know, that you know, what I know, but do you know, that I know, what you know?

Where does it say she's never voted? :confused:

It's in other news articles. Not exactly "never", but it's obvious she doesn't give a shit about elections or politics until just now.


From the New York Daily News:


City Board of Elections records show Kennedy has failed to vote in many elections since she registered in the city in 1988 - including votes for the Senate seat she hopes to fill and numerous Democratic faceoffs for mayor.

"It doesn’t speak to a deep-felt commitment to the electoral process," Baruch College political scientist Doug Muzzio said when told of Kennedy’s ballot breakdowns.

Records show Kennedy did not pull the lever for any of her fellow Democrats in city primary races for mayor in 1989, 1993 and 1997 and 2005, which Republicans went on to win three out of four times in the general election.

She was also AWOL for the primary and general elections in 1994, when Sen. Daniel Moynihan was running for reelection to the seat Kennedy hopes to hold…

A review by The News found that of the 38 contested elections since 1988, Kennedy skipped about half, almost all of them primaries…

Wait wait, let me see if I understand something. The titles of congressman, head of the CIA, ambassador, governor (twice), vice president, and president (twice) and noise f adding "senator" to that held, entirely, by a father and his two sons and it's the democrats that are trying to set up a political dynasty? Seriously?

You know, I know, that you know, what I know, but do you know, that I know, what you know?

I didn't know that. I only knew that you'ld know that I knew.

Caroline Kennedy is pretty stupid, not shy.

I don't think you're qualified to make that distinction.

She may not be dumb, but she probably would've never even been considered for the position if she weren't a Kennedy.

Big deal. And GW Bush would've never been considered for the position of President if his father wasn't President.

But you don't see Hotwife bitching about how the Republicans want to destroy democracy and install aristocracy, do you?

We Americans have a disturbing tendency to vote for candidates who come from the same families. The Clintons, Bushes, and Kennedys....

Yeah, it's hardly limited to the Democrats. Although let's face it - the Bush family has had two members as POTUS, while the Kennedys only had one. Again something Hotwife is ignoring, because he's a partisan troll who's more interested in skewing reality and gaining attention than anything else.

Whenever someone says "you know" I start singing the "Psych" theme song. :D

I know, you know, that I'm not telling the truth,
I know, you know, they just don't have any proof,
Embrace the deception, Lean how to bend,
You're worst inhibitions will PSYCH you out in the end.

In between the lines there's a lot of obscurity
I'm not inclined to resign to maturity
If it's all right, then you're all wrong
Why bounce around to the same damn song
You'd rather run when you can't crawl

I know, you know, that I'm not telling the truth
I know, you know, they just don't have any proof
Embrace the deception, Lean how to bend
You're worst inhibitions tend to psych you out in the end

I know, you know
I know, you know
I know, you know
I know, you know

I don't think you're qualified to make that distinction.

Show me references to positions she held that show her qualifications (I've linked to one that she didn't show up for - she just was a name to bring in money - she didn't have to raise the money herself).

Show me references to books, research, anything - I'll wait.

Show me her political speeches. Anything?

It's in other news articles. Not exactly "never", but it's obvious she doesn't give a shit about elections or politics until just now.


From the New York Daily News:
You know, if she's missed half of the 38 contested elections in the past 20 years, that means she's voted in something like 19 elections since 1988.

In other words, she's voted almost every year and simply missed most of the primaries and a couple of odd year elections. Most people don't vote that often, you know. I usually don't vote in the primaries myself - of course, I'm a registered independent - and I usually only vote in the even year regular elections.

You know, if she's missed half of the 38 contested elections in the past 20 years, that means she's voted in something like 19 elections since 1988.

In other words, she's voted almost every year and simply missed most of the primaries and a couple of odd year elections. Most people don't vote that often, you know. I usually don't vote in the primaries myself - of course, I'm a registered independent - and I usually only vote in the even year regular elections.

For a politician though...

Show me references to positions she held that show her qualifications (I've linked to one that she didn't show up for - she just was a name to bring in money - she didn't have to raise the money herself).

Show me references to books, research, anything - I'll wait.

This has nothing to do with your ability to distinguish between stupidity and shyness.

You're doing this thing where you quote a post, and you reply to it, but you aren't actually responding to anything that's been said. It's fucking annoying and shows me you are either unwilling or unable to read.

Wait wait, let me see if I understand something. The titles of congressman, head of the CIA, ambassador, governor (twice), vice president, and president (twice) and noise f adding "senator" to that held, entirely, by a father and his two sons and it's the democrats that are trying to set up a political dynasty? Seriously?

Yes, and also global warming is a myth cuz it's COLD right now.

This has nothing to do with your ability to distinguish between stupidity and shyness.

You're doing this thing where you quote a post, and you reply to it, but you aren't actually responding to anything that's been said. It's fucking annoying and shows me you are either unwilling or unable to read.

You brought up shyness with no proof. She's obviously not a public speaker.

If Palin had talked with this many "you knows" you would have instantly jumped on it as stupid.

Face it, you have a double standard. One woman with a successful political career and one idle woman with nothing to show for her life except a name.

Click here to see more of idiot Caroline (http://www.viddler.com/explore/RickRoll/videos/1/)

For a politician though...
You get pols who haven't bothered to vote in ten years. In their own elections, even. Voting an average of around once a year is not a bad record, period. Pol or not.

You brought up shyness with no proof. She's obviously not a public speaker.

If Palin had talked with this many "you knows" you would have instantly jumped on it as stupid.

Face it, you have a double standard. One woman with a successful political career and one idle woman with nothing to show for her life except a name.

Click here to see more of idiot Caroline (http://www.viddler.com/explore/RickRoll/videos/1/)

Displaying her notorious shyness during the 30-minute chat, the mother of three, author and public education advocate was pleasant, but spoke softly and rarely made eye contact. Her speech was often punctuated with extra "you knows" and "ums."

From your own source.

You get pols who haven't bothered to vote in ten years. In their own elections, even. Voting an average of around once a year is not a bad record, period. Pol or not.

A lot of Senators don't even vote half the time in the Senate. Is that a good thing?

We can continue to ignore, however, the remaining ZERO that has been her political career.

From your own source.

Shyness isn't a good quality for a politician.

You brought up shyness with no proof. She's obviously not a public speaker.

Right. This doesn't translate to "dumb."

If Palin had talked with this many "you knows" you would have instantly jumped on it as stupid.

I would have jumped on Palin as being stupid because she is stupid.
You want to discuss that, or are you now claiming she's not?

Face it, you have a double standard.

I'd face that if you had any reason whatsoever for it and weren't just saying it for the sake of being a provoking troll.


Click here to see more of idiot Caroline (http://www.viddler.com/explore/RickRoll/videos/1/)

Click here to see more of why you are not qualified to judge anyone's intelligence! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/search.php?do=finduser&u=1640741)

She's using sentences. That puts her miles ahead of Palin.

A lot of Senators don't even vote half the time in the Senate. Is that a good thing?
I'd be surprised to hear she's voted in fewer elections in the last ten years than you have. Face it. You - and the NDN - are complaining about something that's not actually a valid complaint. Typical primary turnout here in NC - where there's always some contested races - is about 30 percent.

I expect she's not even below average for the sitting senators by the "how often do you vote?" metric. So face the facts: You're complaining about something that you shouldn't be, because you didn't read carefully.
We can continue to ignore, however, the remaining ZERO that has been her political career.
Now, complaining about her lack of political experience is a legitimate complaint. Although you might want to bear in mind that Caroline Kennedy has actually had a very recent high-profile political position.

Remember the primary season? Remember the end of the primary season, when Obama had it locked up? Remember who Obama decided to have head up his VP search committee? Some gal named "Caroline" or something. Must've been a Kennedy.

But then, she did such a terrible job picking that Joe Biden fellow, right? Some dumb decision that was.

OK, so maybe she doesn't have ZERO political career. Just not much of one.

She's using sentences. That puts her miles ahead of Palin.

I didn't hear any complete sentences. Between that and the valley girl interrogative she interjects into every phrase, it's difficult to discern any meaning in what she says.

I'd be surprised to hear she's voted in fewer elections in the last ten years than you have. Face it. You - and the NDN - are complaining about something that's not actually a valid complaint. Typical primary turnout here in NC - where there's always some contested races - is about 30 percent.

I expect she's not even below average for the sitting senators by the "how often do you vote?" metric. So face the facts: You're complaining about something that you shouldn't be, because you didn't read carefully.

Now, complaining about her lack of political experience is a legitimate complaint. Although you might want to bear in mind that Caroline Kennedy has actually had a very recent high-profile political position.

Remember the primary season? Remember the end of the primary season, when Obama had it locked up? Remember who Obama decided to have head up his VP search committee? Some gal named "Caroline" or something. Must've been a Kennedy.

But then, she did such a terrible job picking that Joe Biden fellow, right? Some dumb decision that was.

OK, so maybe she doesn't have ZERO political career. Just not much of one.

Yes, Biden was such a good pick that it became painfully obvious that Obama had to tell him to keep his mouth shut.

Too bad for Republicans that Mccain didn't give that advice to Palin

I didn't hear any complete sentences.
In other words, you are either illiterate, completely unaware of basic grammar, don't know what the meaning of the word "sentence" is, or lying through your teeth.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just lying.

Seriously, how the fuck could anyone with a basic grasp of the English language not know that those qualify as complete sentences.

In other words, you are either illiterate, completely unaware of basic grammar, don't know what the meaning of the word "sentence" is, or lying through your teeth.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just lying.

Seriously, how the fuck could anyone with a basic grasp of the English language not know that those qualify as complete sentences.

Seriously, I expect some ability as a public speaker from politicians.

Caroline Kennedy is pretty stupid, not shy.

She's dumb as a bag of hammers alright. A lot of my relatives live in up-state New York (Schenectady area) and I know they agree. Unfortunately, up-state doesn't have any effective representation.

Seriously, I expect some ability as a public speaker from politicians.
Prepare to be dissaponted.

Seriously, I expect some ability as a public speaker from politicians.
Which has nothing to do with my point and you know it.

Yes, Biden was such a good pick that it became painfully obvious that Obama had to tell him to keep his mouth shut.
Such a good pick that he did a pretty good job of shutting up. And immediately shut down the complaints about foreign policy experience, which everybody thought of as McCain's primary selling point. And absolutely massacred Palin in the VP debates. And in polls taken around, during, and after election time, had fantastic ratings in the polls for the percentage thinking he was qualified to be president, good favorable/unfavorable ratings, et cetera.

Biden really needs to never speak in public. He is truly the master of uninformed gaffes.

Well, the only thing I give Caroline is her ability to be a Kennedy and not be involved in either beating a girl to death with a golf club, or drowning a woman by trapping her head under the steering wheel. Or making a public drunken spectacle of herself.

I suppose that in the Kennedy family, that's true achievement.

But on a "who accomplished more in their lives" basis, Palin has Caroline beat.

She's dumb as a bag of hammers alright.

Okay, so that's two partisan trolls who agree that she's stupid.

Must be true!

A lot of my relatives live in up-state New York (Schenectady area) and I know they agree.

Sadly, they're just as wrong as you about her. Must run in the family.

She's dumb as a bag of hammers alright. A lot of my relatives live in up-state New York (Schenectady area) and I know they agree. Unfortunately, up-state doesn't have any effective representation.
OK, I'm looking through her bio information and background, looking for evidence of stupidity. Graduated in the top ten percent at Colombia Law School for her law degree, which suggests she isn't stupid. Worked as a researcher at a museum... again, doesn't suggest she's stupid.

She's blonde. Is that what you're basing it on?

She's quite coherent at the podium, as seen in her brief little performance at the DNC this year, by the way.

Goddamn stupid Federalists!

She's dumb as a bag of hammers alright. A lot of my relatives live in up-state New York (Schenectady area) and I know they agree. Unfortunately, up-state doesn't have any effective representation.

New Mitanni agrees with Hotwife. Shocking.

I've been out of the loop for too long...exactly what is Caroline Kennedy going to be doing, anyway? Something about taking over a senate seat?

But on a "who accomplished more in their lives" basis, Palin has Caroline beat.
Let's look at this carefully, shall we? Point-by-point.

1975: Ms. Kennedy graduates high school.
1979: Ms. Kennedy gets her B.A. from Radcliffe, after four years.
1980: Ms. Kennedy starts working as a research assistant at the Museum of Modern Art.
1982: Ms. Palin graduates high school.
1986: Ms. Kennedy gets married
1987: Ms. Palin gets her B.A. from the University of Idaho.
1988: Ms. Kennedy graduates law school, and has her first child. Ms. :Palin briefly works as a sports journalist and gets married.
1989: Ms. Palin has her first child.
1991: Ms. Kennedy coauthors a book titled "In Our Defense: The Bill of Rights In Action"
1992: Ms. Palin is first elected to the Wasilia city council.
1995: Ms. Palin re-elected to city council; Ms. Kennedy coauthors book titled "The Right to Privacy."
1996: Ms. Palin elected mayor of Wasilia.
2002: Ms. Palin runs unsuccessfully for lieutenant governor of Alaska. Ms. Kennedy begins to direct the Office of Strategic Partnerships for the New York city schools, raising roughly $65 million dollars for them over the next three years. Also edits the collection "Profiles in Courage for Our Time."
2003: Ms. Kennedy is the editor for best-seller "A Patriot's Handbook." Palin begins serving on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. She will serve there for two years.
2006: Ms. Palin is elected governor of Alaska.
2008: Ms. Palin makes an unsuccessful VP run. Ms. Kennedy campaigns for Mr. Obama and heads up his VP search committee.

Ms. Kennedy serves on a bajillion boards. As such, it's hard to know whether she's actually doing an awful lot on them or not, but she hasn't exactly been sitting idle.

As far as how much each accomplished in their life... it's clearly too early to tell for both of them.

I'm lost, is there something here that makes her 'stupid' other than a relatively common conversational tick?

Um, uh, you know, she souns, you know, uh, a bit inarticulate, you know?

I'm lost, is there something here that makes her 'stupid' other than a relatively common conversational tick?

she's a democrat god

I'm lost, is there something here that makes her 'stupid' other than a relatively common conversational tick?
She also has blond hair.

having seen the some current senators speechifying on cspan i dont think she has anything to worry about. without speech writers they arent particularly good public speakers.

Biden really needs to never speak in public. He is truly the master of uninformed gaffes.


No, Bush keeps that crown.

Although I would find that habit of repeating "You know" annoying if I was having a long personal conversation with her, I fail to see it as evidence she's stupid.

You know, I know, that you know, what I know, but do you know, that I know, what you know?

I dunno....

New Mitanni agrees with Hotwife. Shocking.

I've been out of the loop for too long...exactly what is Caroline Kennedy going to be doing, anyway? Something about taking over a senate seat?

I agree with them both also.

She also was asked to explain why she failed to vote in a number of elections since registering in New York City in 1988, including in 1994 when Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan was up for re-election for the seat she hopes to take over.
"I was really surprised and dismayed by my voting record," she said. "I'm glad it's been brought to my attention."



Gee, I'm glad she was informed of something she was completely unaware of. Someone had better remind her to breathe, or we'll have a real problem.

She was surprised to find out she had barely voted.

Apparently she's easily surprised about basic facts about herself. "Oh, I have two eyes and one head, and am a warm-blooded mammal with an endoskeleton allowing me to walk upright? Really? The deuce you say. I am surprised to learn that, thank you for bringing it to my attention."

Imagine Sarah Palin saying something like this. Think the MSM would notice?

Slander! I did not know that Andrew was qualified for that job, yet she states so!
LIES, ALL LIES AND DECEIT.

Gee, I'm glad she was informed of something she was completely unaware of. Someone had better remind her to breathe, or we'll have a real problem.

She was surprised to find out she had barely voted.
Surprised to find out that voting about once a year would be accounted not enough, perhaps? But you don't want to express surprise about that. No standard is too high for a Kennedy, right?

So leave off of it, Hotwife. I debunked the idea that Kennedy's voting record is anything worth complaining about it several posts ago, and you retreated from it. Going back to the subject is an indication you're just out for a baseless smear. Find a new complaint, something with some basis to it. Please. As an interview response, it's ten times better than Palin's newspaper/magazine gaffe, and that wasn't especially important.

Going back to trumped up "concerns" that have already been hammered flat makes me wonder why, of all the Democrats that the governor of New York could select, you're so terribly concerned about Ms. Kennedy.
Imagine Sarah Palin saying something like this. Think the MSM would notice?
Probably not, actually. Little apologetic statements about voting records are only worth airtime when they're legislative votes and particularly funny taken out of context, like Kerry's "I voted for it before I voted against it" gem.