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Sorry, couldn't resist making this. Evolution or Creationism?

I believe in evolution, because of several items of evidence.
For one thing, whales have a hind foot bone hidden in their blubber, which they use for nothing. We have found fossils of an ancient creature similar to a whale, but with small feet that allowed it to go up on land.
Humans have an organ called an appendix, which they do not use at all.
Monkeys also have this organ, and they do use it.
Over hundreds of years, the average human height has also increased rapidly.
Other proof of evolution

http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidence-for-proof-of-evolution-faq.htm

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/whales/allabout/Evol.shtml

Evolution, but I don't believe it rules out the possibillity of a God.

Oh, not this shit again.

I believe it is possible for a God to spawn evolution by creating the neccessary conditions

The question has only one rational explanation.

Of course. I believe in god and evolution.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1090921,00.html

Neither. Monkeys evolved from the bible.

Neither. Monkeys evolved from the bible.

Heresy!

Neither. Monkeys evolved from the bible.

oooooh, the creatiolution argument.

Heresy!
Against what?

oooooh, the creatiolution argument.

Also, Satan is a dinosaur.

Also, Satan is a dinosaur.

So that means... Jurassic park cloned Satan?:eek2:

this old chestnut eh? well i'm all for evolutionism but i think that there might also be evidenve of a god. However, being merely mortal I don't think I'll pass judgement on it yet.

Neither. Monkeys evolved from the bible.

No no no, they mutated from fish frogs that humped a bible. Get it right...

Seriously didn't we just have a thread on this exact same topic a few weeks ago?

The question has only one rational explanation.

And which explanation would that be? Or rather which model of from the seemingly endless set of evolutionary models is the single one which you deem the rational one?

A good scientific method would be to formulate hypotheses which support the data and then try to disprove them - but neither creationism or evolution can be proven or disproven because evolution isn't a theory at all its a guiding principle which supports multiple hypotheses. And if any of those were disproven then evolution would be said to support the alternative. The same can be said for creationism ... in it's most reasonanble form it must
support the data because somehow god *made it that way*. It too is a guiding principle which can not be disproven unless you disprove the existence of God - and if you can do that the devil himself will give you a nobel prize.

My point is this whats the point talking about something which can not rationally proven or disproven.

Sorry, couldn't resist making this.

They make a pill for that. Take two.

Seriously didn't we just have a thread on this exact same topic a few weeks ago?



And which explanation would that be? Or rather which model of from the seemingly endless set of evolutionary models is the single one which you deem the rational one?

A good scientific method would be to formulate hypotheses which support the data and then try to disprove them - but neither creationism or evolution can be proven or disproven because evolution isn't a theory....

Wait, what?

Evolution is more feasible than Creation given our scientific discoveries and historic occurrences. But I agree as an agnostic agrees that nothing rules out the existence of God...nor does anything enforce it. :hail:

A good scientific method would be to formulate hypotheses which support the data and then try to disprove them - but neither creationism or evolution can be proven or disproven because evolution isn't a theory at all

wait, what?

Doesn't anybody like surprises anymore? :(

I believe in Recreationism.

They think they might have found a use for the appendix. It creates helpful bacteria.
And creationism.

They think they might have found a use for the appendix. It creates helpful bacteria.
And creationism.

*looks at the back of his books for helpful bacteria* Mine seem to be out. :(

A good scientific method would be to formulate hypotheses which support the data and then try to disprove them - but neither creationism or evolution can be proven or disproven because evolution isn't a theory at all its a guiding principle which supports multiple hypotheses. And if any of those were disproven then evolution would be said to support the alternative.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/Theory01.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/Motivational-gravity.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/tmbar_Will_the_madness_never_end.gif

I believe that evolution has had a large play in how life has developed, but I still believe that it had a push from YHWH in the beginning.

I believe the universe was created by a giant potato.

Doesn't anybody like surprises anymore? :(They make a pill for that. Take two.

I believe that evolution has had a large play in how life has developed, but I still believe that it had a push from YHWH in the beginning.
^This. Assuming YHWH stands for Yaweh, standing for God (In the Christian/Judaic sense).

The question has only one rational explanation.
A rational explanation for the question? You mean, a rational explanation for the existence of the question, i.e. the reason the OP asked it?

I would assume that the explanation for this question is that the OP wanted to talk about the topic, which may seem irrational considering how similar threads usually go, but surely it is not clinically irrational. What other possible explanation for the question could there be?

I believe the universe was created by a giant potato.

As the token Irish guy I approve of this idea, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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All power to the holy spud!

All power to the holy spud!

Bless it be!!

As the token Irish guy I approve of this idea, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
The potato died of famine...

:(

The potato died of famine...

:(

The potato is eternal!

The only people who believe in creationism are those who cannot distinguish between myth and reality.

There is only one problem I see with evolution.

There is no way man could have evolved from apes, saying that is an insult to apes!

There is only one problem I see with evolution.

There is no way man could have evolved from apes, saying that is an insult to apes!

We didn't, we share an ancestor with apes.

i live in fear of the Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.

hope that answers your question. all hail the Great Green Arkleseizure!

So that means... Jurassic park cloned Satan?:eek2:

Of course

We didn't, we share an ancestor with apes.

Nope. By definition humans ARE apes.

i live in fear of the Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.

hope that answers your question. all hail the Great Green Arkleseizure!

Aaaaaaachooooooooo

There isn't really enough evidence to suggest that we humans are 100 percent a result of evolution. There are many "missing links"... or areas in our fossil record that jump too far without an intermediary fossil.

Somewhere along the line, an outside force exhibited its will on our species, and shaped humankind according to its own desires.

There isn't really enough evidence to suggest that we humans are 100 percent a result of evolution. There are many "missing links"... or areas in our fossil record that jump too far without an intermediary fossil.
And there almost certainly never will be...
This means absolutely nothing though.
Somewhere along the line, an outside force exhibited its will on our species, and shaped humankind according to its own desires.
Care to provide evidence? Or are you just assuming that its true because that's what the leaders of your religion told you?

There isn't really enough evidence to suggest that we humans are 100 percent a result of evolution. There are many "missing links"... or areas in our fossil record that jump too far without an intermediary fossil.

Somewhere along the line, an outside force exhibited its will on our species, and shaped humankind according to its own desires.

Look at the skeletal structure of a chimpanzee, then look at the skeletal structure of a human. There is all the evidence you really need.

I am the leader of my own religion.

It's ridiculous and pathetic to just accept that we may never find certain intermediary fossils that MUST exist if evolution is the sole cause of us. We've been looking and digging in the right areas for long enough that we should have found something to close the holes.

We haven't. It's time some of you started asking why, instead of blindly following what mainstream science tells you.

Look at the skeletal structure of a chimpanzee, then look at the skeletal structure of a human. There is all the evidence you really need.

If you really believe this, you're not in a strong enough mental position to make such a proclamation.

I am the leader of my own religion.

It's ridiculous and pathetic to just accept that we may never find certain intermediary fossils that MUST exist if evolution is the sole cause of us. We've been looking and digging in the right areas for long enough that we should have found something to close the holes.

We haven't. It's time some of you started asking why, instead of blindly following what mainstream science tells you.

Poe! Poe Poe!







I call Poe.

Poe! Poe Poe!







I call Poe.

Now there's a surprise. Is your worldview so limited that you refuse to acknowledge the existence of the theory? If so, stop replying to me.

The potato is eternal!

I turned it into potato pancakes and ate it for lunch. With a bit of Apple sauce on top. Yum *rubs belly*

Now there's a surprise. Is your worldview so limited that you refuse to acknowledge the existence of the theory? If so, stop replying to me.

which theory? god of the gaps?

If you really believe this, you're not in a strong enough mental position to make such a proclamation.

Go ahead and take a real close look dear. You will find the similarities are absolutly astounding. Then start looking back at the proto versions of both of us, its quite obvious we evolved from a similar creature via genetic mutation.

If you want a dramatic example, look at a skeleton of a chicken, and then look at the skeleton of a tyranosaurus.

Now there's a surprise. Is your worldview so limited that you refuse to acknowledge the existence of the theory? If so, stop replying to me.

That's a Poe reply.

That's a Poe reply.

I thought "Nevermore" was the Poe reply...:D

Damn, I take a 4-5 day hiatus and I come back and we start seeing these sort of threads again.

Bugger.

It's ridiculous and pathetic to just accept that we may never find certain intermediary fossils

why?

which theory? god of the gaps?

Interventionary evolutionism.

I'm sorry for expecting people to have at least a basic knowledge on a feasible rival position.

I am the leader of my own religion.

It's ridiculous and pathetic to just accept that we may never find certain intermediary fossils that MUST exist if evolution is the sole cause of us. We've been looking and digging in the right areas for long enough that we should have found something to close the holes.

We haven't. It's time some of you started asking why, instead of blindly following what mainstream science tells you.

Give it a rest Valentasia, we already know that you are a scientologist, it is something that you proudly proclaimed not too long ago...

Also it is not a matter of "blindly following mainstream science" it is a matter of having some understanding of what kind of conditions it takes for fossils to be formed and understanding that it is actually a fairly rare occurrence for the right conditions to exist. Thus, not every step is going to be preserved in the form of fossils.

As to the whole subject of mainstream science and your tenuous grasp thereof, why don't you give us your moon theory again, it was a good laugh the first time.

Go ahead and take a real close look dear. You will find the similarities are absolutly astounding. Then start looking back at the proto versions of both of us, its quite obvious we evolved from a similar creature via genetic mutation.

If you want a dramatic example, look at a skeleton of a chicken, and then look at the skeleton of a tyranosaurus.

I'm sorry. You're right. It went chimpanzee, and then us. There was absolutely nothing in between...

You don't seem to understand what i'm saying. Should i type slower?

why don't you give us your moon theory again, it was a good laugh the first time.

moon theory? oh boy, the name just reaks insanity.

Give it a rest Valentasia, we already know that you are a scientologist, it is something that you proudly proclaimed not too long ago...

Also it is not a matter of "blindly following mainstream science" it is a matter of having some understanding of what kind of conditions it takes for fossils to be formed and understanding that it is actually a fairly rare occurrence for the right conditions to exist. Thus, not every step is going to be preserved in the form of fossils.

As to the whole subject of mainstream science and your tenuous grasp thereof, why don't you give us your moon theory again, it was a good laugh the first time.

Ex scientologist, actually. But please, don't let facts get in the way.

Ex scientologist, actually. But please, don't let facts get in the way.

Wow, you do seem to change ideas and creeds more than you change your underwear.

This, though, certainly leads to me to understand that Scientology is for loons and it's just one more ridiculous fad.

Wow, you do seem to change ideas and creeds more than you change your underwear.

This, though, certainly leads to me to understand that Scientology is for loons and it's just one more ridiculous fad.

I spent four years with the church before leaving earlier in the year. And i have no idea who you are, so i'm not sure how you feel you're in a position to make that claim.

It's all really quite simple.

Evolution is a proven fact, shown by the evidence of scientific trial in laboratory, the evidence of the natural world around us, and the evidence of the fossil record.

Natural Selection is the most popular and complete theory, though not the only one, that explains evolution.

Creationism is a fantasy clung to by certain believers in the Abrahamic religions.

I hope that makes things clear.

I'm sorry. You're right. It went chimpanzee, and then us. There was absolutely nothing in between...

You don't seem to understand what i'm saying. Should i type slower?

Its quite obvious you are the one who miunderstands.

Should I type using smaller words?

How about report you for flame bating?

Its quite obvious you are the one who miunderstands.

Should I type using smaller words?

How about report you for flame bating?

You do what you feel you have to, doll.

Judging from my first post, do you seriously think that i don't know the similarities between humans and chimpanzees? What i'm saying is that a lot of changes went on between that, and not all are accounted for in the shape of fossilized evidence. I'm not saying that evolution didn't happen, just that it was aided at certain points. This explains the gaps.

It's all really quite simple.

Evolution is a proven fact, shown by the evidence of scientific trial in laboratory, the evidence of the natural world around us, and the evidence of the fossil record.

Natural Selection is the most popular and complete theory, though not the only one, that explains evolution.

Creationism is a fantasy clung to by certain believers in the Abrahamic religions.

I hope that makes things clear.

Yes. Because those are the only two options.

le sigh.

I'm not saying that evolution didn't happen, just that it was aided at certain points. This explains the gaps.

no, it doesn't. it posits something for which there is no evidence to explain that which needs no explaining.

I spent four years with the church before leaving earlier in the year. And i have no idea who you are, so i'm not sure how you feel you're in a position to make that claim.

Funny, lets say, 2 months ago or so, you claimed ardently that you were a scientologist. Were you lying to us then? Because you claim you left the church or the money guzzling, mind altering place that is earlier this year, you were lying through your teeth not too long ago on this forum.

And it truly doesn't matter who I am. One only has to see and read the facts regarding Scientology.

Yes. Because those are the only two options.

le sigh.

Ah, did you actually read the part about Natural Selection NOT being the only theory?

Funny, lets say, 2 months ago or so, you claimed ardently that you were a scientologist. Were you lying to us then? Because you claim you left the church or the money guzzling, mind altering place that is earlier this year, you were lying through your teeth not too long ago on this forum.

And it truly doesn't matter who I am. One only has to see and read the facts regarding Scientology.

You must have me mistaken with someone else. Or you just were not paying attention properly. I remember having to clarify that i wasn't a Scientologist the last time i posted here, which was about 2 months ago.

You're not in a position to know the facts.

Ah, did you actually read the part about Natural Selection NOT being the only theory?

No. But now that i gave your post more attention that it deserved... what exactly do you think it cleared up? You talk about 2 theories, and ignore the rest. Yet that's supposed to clear things up?

You're not in a position to know the facts.

But you are? You were brainwashed for 4 years and yet, you are in a position to know the facts? Please, present us, once again, with your theory about the moon. Come on.

no, it doesn't. it posits something for which there is no evidence to explain that which needs no explaining.

To a mindless zombie, i'm sure it doesn't need explaining. To those of us with enquiring, scientific minds, it does need explaining.

You're obviously the kind of person that is happy to believe whatever he or she is told regardless of a lack of evidence.

You do what you feel you have to, doll.

Judging from my first post, do you seriously think that i don't know the similarities between humans and chimpanzees? What i'm saying is that a lot of changes went on between that, and not all are accounted for in the shape of fossilized evidence. I'm not saying that evolution didn't happen, just that it was aided at certain points. This explains the gaps.

Because not everything that dies leaves behind evidence of its passing, there might be dozens of missing links but it doesn't disprove or prove anything. There is far more solid evidence to suggest that we evolved from something else and Darwin's law proves more conclusively why we have a hightened intelligence when compared to most other mammals than anything else.

Does it rule out the possibility of a god, no, does it rule out creationism, pretty much yes. It was a simplified way of saying hwow it happened so that primitives could grasp the concept.

I spent four years with the church before leaving earlier in the year. And i have no idea who you are, so i'm not sure how you feel you're in a position to make that claim.
Earlier in the year being under two months ago
Ah, did you actually read the part about Natural Selection NOT being the only theory?

What he is saying is that to him there isn't just the options of ToE and Creationism. He probably has made up his own theory...
I vote he shares it with us, it is probably just as entertaining (and reasonable) as his moon theory.

But you are? You were brainwashed for 4 years and yet, you are in a position to know the facts? Please, present us, once again, with your theory about the moon. Come on.

The Moon was built by an alien organisation to act as an incubator with which to promote intelligent life on Earth.



Scientology is secretive by nature. It's impossible for an outsider such as yourself to know.

Because not everything that dies leaves behind evidence of its passing, there might be dozens of missing links but it doesn't disprove or prove anything. There is far more solid evidence to suggest that we evolved from something else and Darwin's law proves more conclusively why we have a hightened intelligence when compared to most other mammals than anything else.

Does it rule out the possibility of a god, no, does it rule out creationism, pretty much yes. It was a simplified way of saying hwow it happened so that primitives could grasp the concept.

I'm not arguing for creationism. For me, the fact that there are missing links is just not acceptable. Some holes in the fossile record are too big for a reasonable person to just accept that "no fossils exist".

Neither, just Chuck Norris' selected species

because I'm a gluten for punishment
Link to "crazy" moon theory (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=573983&highlight=Valentasia) for those that don't know how to use the search function.:)

Scientology is secretive by nature. It's impossible for an outsider such as yourself to know.

Also bullshit good sir/madam/android, there are many ways to know what "selective/secretive" cults do.(for one microchips in your sweater, what I wasn't suppose to tell. erh oops)

No. But now that i gave your post more attention that it deserved... what exactly do you think it cleared up? You talk about 2 theories, and ignore the rest. Yet that's supposed to clear things up?

Because now people can move on to legitimate, reasonable (or unreasonable) areas of debate - like the differences between Natural Selection and Punctuated Equilibrium, or he change in evolutionary pressures we as humans are conducting in our environment, rather than "debating" the difference between a proven fact and total fantasy.

The Moon was built by an alien organisation to act as an incubator with which to promote intelligent life on Earth.



Scientology is secretive by nature. It's impossible for an outsider such as yourself to know.

Scientology is a loony infested organization. Your theories are proof of it.

And if it were so, uuuuh, secretive by nature, why do you let it be advertised by other people. For example, Tom Cruise, John Travolta and others? Why do you tell the world you were a scientologist? Hm?

The Moon was built by an alien organisation to act as an incubator with which to promote intelligent life on Earth.
Still have yourself convinced of that I see...
Scientology is secretive by nature. It's impossible for an outsider such as yourself to know.
Scientology is a religion made up by a hack science fiction writer in order to get rich, what more do we really need to know?

Because now people can move on to legitimate, reasonable (or unreasonable) areas of debate - like the differences between Natural Selection and Punctuated Equilibrium, or he change in evolutionary pressures we as humans are conducting in our environment, rather than "debating" the difference between a proven fact and total fantasy.

Still... ignoring more perfectly possible theories to focus on the finer points of evolution.

Still have yourself convinced of that I see...

Scientology is a religion made up by a hack science fiction writer in order to get rich, what more do we really need to know?

I know what else!

He compares himself to...

Still... ignoring more perfectly possible theories to focus on the finer points of evolution.

Theories get trumped by facts.

Scientology is a loony infested organization. Your theories are proof of it.

And if it were so, uuuuh, secretive by nature, why do you let it be advertised by other people. For example, Tom Cruise, John Travolta and others? Why do you tell the world you were a scientologist? Hm?

Why not? There is more to the religion that it's name. You should know that we (Scientologists) are prohibited from talking about certain topics to non-Scientologists.

Still... ignoring more perfectly possible theories to focus on the finer points of evolution.

Share with us these amazing theories you have made up

Why not? There is more to the religion that it's name. You should know that we (Scientologists) are prohibited from talking about certain topics to non-Scientologists.

Didn't you just leave the Church of Scientology earlier this year?

I know what else!

He compares himself to...

Jesus? Tchaikovsky? I've made many apt comparisons.

Didn't you just leave the Church of Scientology earlier this year?

Yes. The "we" part is just a figure of speech.

Didn't you just leave the Church of Scientology earlier this year?

It's more likely that he is still a scientologist but has realized how much ridicule he's going to face as long as he admits to it. He's already shown us how thin-skinned he is.

Share with us these amazing theories you have made up

Interventionary Evolution.

At some point, an alien race with superior technology altered our ancestors genetic make up. This is why there is a gap in the fossil record.

Yes. The "we" part is just a figure of speech.

And the Moon was built by aliens to act as an incubator to create intelligence on Earth. Right. And the moon is also made of cheese and penguins fly and women can be priests and Scientology will show us all the way.:rolleyes:

It's more likely that he is still a scientologist but has realized how much ridicule he's going to face as long as he admits to it. He's already shown us how thin-skinned he is.

How did i do that? By leaving for 2 months after i was made fun of for my beliefs?

Sorry, i spent that time being too busy living to go online very much, not crying in a corner.

Jesus? Tchaikovsky? I've made many apt comparisons.

I can see those, I do not have have any problem seeing you with all the intelligence, creativity, power, and charm of any two dead guys.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/tmbar_Will_the_madness_never_end.gif

As about to be former member of the Kansas Education system I'd like to object to this we know there are five elements!(you missed mud:p)

must get thread back on semi-topic

Interventionary Evolution.

At some point, an alien race with superior technology altered our ancestors genetic make up. This is why there is a gap in the fossil record.

Excellent. Now please present any/all facts supporting your hypothesis.

And the Moon was built by aliens to act as an incubator to create intelligence on Earth. Right. And the moon is also made of cheese and penguins fly and women can be priests and Scientology will show us all the way.:rolleyes:

Women can be priests in the U.K.

It's more likely that he is still a scientologist but has realized how much ridicule he's going to face as long as he admits to it. He's already shown us how thin-skinned he is.

Unworthy of spending anymore time arguing with him. It's a waste of time.

How did i do that? By leaving for 2 months after i was made fun of for my beliefs?

Sorry, i spent that time being too busy living to go online very much, not crying in a corner.

By crying about being flamed when people pointed out flaws in your oh so impressive moon theory, care for me to dig up some examples?

I can see those, I do not have have any problem seeing you with all the intelligence, creativity, power, and charm of any two dead guys.

The creativity of these two dead guys is still widely available for the world to enjoy. Especially around this time of year. But yeah, you had a joke you wanted to force so i guess it's okay to overlook things.

/yawn

Unworthy of spending anymore time arguing with him. It's a waste of time.

But I like poking trolls (ok, debatable as to whether he's trolling, but its fun poking him anyways)

The creativity of these two dead guys is still widely available for the world to enjoy. Especially around this time of year. But yeah, you had a joke you wanted to force so i guess it's okay to overlook things.

/yawn

Except I wasn't joking.

By crying about being flamed when people pointed out flaws in your oh so impressive moon theory, care for me to dig up some examples?

You knock yourself out buddy. I suspect it'll take you a long time to find any examples though.

But I like poking trolls (ok, debatable as to whether he's trolling, but its fun poking him anyways)

Oh, I didn't say you should stop poking him. But it's a waste of time.

I'm not arguing for creationism. For me, the fact that there are missing links is just not acceptable. Some holes in the fossile record are too big for a reasonable person to just accept that "no fossils exist".

Well, sadly for science not everything has the common courtesy to die in a mud bog, peat swamp, tar pit, ice flow, or be embalmed.

So it must mean that aliens did it...

You knock yourself out buddy. I suspect it'll take you a long time to find any examples though.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14241779&postcount=83
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14241875&postcount=92
And a post by one of the mods...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14242071&postcount=158


This is just the from the first 160 posts of that one thread.

How did i do that? By leaving for 2 months after i was made fun of for my beliefs?

Sorry, i spent that time being too busy living to go online very much, not crying in a corner.I'm playing the world's smallest violin for you, buddy. Can you hear it? No, I guess you can't. Just like I can't see any of the "facts" that are supposed to support your theory.

"A group of people have followed me across multiple threads acusing me of being a "troll". I take great offense to the suggestion that the only reason i feel the way i do is to annoy a web forum, i've got better things to do."

That had, and i do. In the moderators post, she actually tells people to stop doing that. So whatever.

I'm playing the world's smallest violin for you, buddy. Can you hear it? No, I guess you can't. Just like I can't see any of the "facts" that are supposed to support your theory.

I don't want anyone's sympathy... i drive a 100,000 dollar Mercedes.

I'm playing the world's smallest violin for you, buddy. Can you hear it? No, I guess you can't. Just like I can't see any of the "facts" that are supposed to support your theory.

Didn't you get the memo, the way it works now is Valentasia throws out the name of a "theory" and you are supposed to do all the research for him.

I don't want anyone's sympathy... i drive a 100,000 dollar Mercedes.

Yay, your daddy's rich...
This didn't impress us before, doesn't impress us now.

Well, sadly for science not everything has the common courtesy to die in a mud bog, peat swamp, tar pit, ice flow, or be embalmed.

So it must mean that aliens did it...

Oh... so science is exempt from having to provide a full body of evidence.

Bigfoot didn't have the common courtesy to make his presence known to campers. The Loch Ness monster doesn't have the common courtesy to let fisherman know she's there.

But she totally is.

Yay, your daddy's rich...
This didn't impress us before, doesn't impress us now.

How much is your car worth?

I don't want anyone's sympathy... i drive a 100,000 dollar Mercedes.Oh, you drive an S400? That's nice. I hear they actually get 30 mpg. Oh, and that they have 279 hp. ...Wait. You paid $100,000 for that? Should've gotten a Ferrari.
Oh, and don't forget the worthless 'hybrid' sticker!

Oh, you drive an S400? That's nice. I hear they actually get 30 mpg. Oh, and that they have 279 hp. ...Wait. You paid $100,000 for that? Should've gotten a Ferrari.
Oh, and don't forget the worthless 'hybrid' sticker!

No, i drive a CLK cabriolet 500 sport.

Oh... so science is exempt from having to provide a full body of evidence.

Bigfoot didn't have the common courtesy to make his presence known to campers. The Loch Ness monster doesn't have the common courtesy to let fisherman know she's there.

But she totally is.

Prosecuting attornies don't have to provide a full body of evidence either, and they can get people executed.

A little bit of very good evidence is better than no evidence at all; and better yet than thoeries provided by the ramblings of an insane science fiction writer.

Poll now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For shits and giggles I did a google search for "Interventionary Evolution"...

Guess what I came up with. I'll give you a hint, it's Valentasia posting his theory on two other forums.


Valentasia on GamesForum.com talking about his amazing theory, and tying his moon theory in with it. (http://www.gamesforum.com/showpost.php?p=157740&postcount=75)

How much is your car worth?

What bearing does that have on this discussion?

Prosecuting attornies don't have to provide a full body of evidence either, and they can get people executed.

A little bit of very good evidence is better than no evidence at all; and better yet than thoeries provided by the ramblings of an insane science fiction writer.

That's a failing of your legal system. If you don't have a full body of evidence then you should expect to have people disagree with you. My theory is watertight. There are no massive holes, unlike with evolution.
I don't subscribe to any of Hubbards theories.

For shits and giggles I did a google search for "Interventionary Evolution"...

Guess what I came up with. I'll give you a hint, it's Valentasia posting his theory on two other forums.


Valentasia on GamesForum.com talking about his amazing theory, and tying his moon theory in with it. (http://www.gamesforum.com/showpost.php?p=157740&postcount=75)

"trying it on them". No no. I've been at that forum for about 6 months, and am a much liked and respected "regular".

And my name isn't Valentasia. It's Valentin Selezynov. Is there any way i can change my name? I'm named after my nationstates country at the moment.

I don't want anyone's sympathy... i drive a 100,000 dollar Mercedes.

Other than an attempt to "prove" you're superiority to everyone who is working class or middle class, did this really even need to be said?

Oh... so science is exempt from having to provide a full body of evidence.

Bigfoot didn't have the common courtesy to make his presence known to campers. The Loch Ness monster doesn't have the common courtesy to let fisherman know she's there.

But she totally is.
Care to provide evidence?

This should be something that Jolt automatically applies to any response to
you...

We were all created by the flying spaghetti monster over 6000 years ago, and he simply planted fake evidence to trick scientists into thinking that the earth is 4 billion years old. :)

So by that logic I'd have to say evolution, only because the fsm wants us to believe that. XD

No, i drive a CLK cabriolet 500 sport.And you just went from bad to worse. A Cabriolet? Ha! Why not an AMG if you're shelling out that kind of money? (And they aren't worth $100,000, dude. They might be worth $60,000. If you can find someone gullible enough to buy it.)

I don't want anyone's sympathy... i drive a 100,000 dollar Mercedes.

The dude...on an internet debate forum...just referenced the value of his car.



His car. He put forward how much it costs.



I'm not saying he doesn't have the car, or that he's lying. Its actually quite more horrific if he's telling the truth.



His car. He brought up how expensive his car is.

And my name isn't Valentasia.

It's what your name is here...
Do you honestly think that my real name is Dyakovo?

Care to provide evidence?

This should be something that Jolt automatically applies to any response to
you...

One rule for mainstream science, one rule for me. Pathetic.

The dude...on an internet debate forum...just referenced the value of his car.



His car. He put forward how much it costs.



I'm not saying he doesn't have the car, or that he's lying. Its actually quite more horrific if he's telling the truth.



His car. He brought up how expensive his car is.

I'm not lying. I posted pictures of it last time.

I'm proud of it. I named her Bella.

Dear OP,

Next time, please resist.

Signed,

Reason

It's what your name is here...
Do you honestly think that my real name is Dyakovo?

I don't see why not. It's a fine name.

I'd like people to call me Mr Selezynov from now on.

The dude...on an internet debate forum...just referenced the value of his car.



His car. He put forward how much it costs.



I'm not saying he doesn't have the car, or that he's lying. Its actually quite more horrific if he's telling the truth.



His car. He brought up how expensive his car is.

He has posted a picture of himself with said car, and is/was a scientologist (thanks to his daddy's money) so it is reasonable to assume that he does actually own one.

I don't see why not. It's a fine name.
Yes, it is a fine name for a half a dozen cities in eastern Europe...
I'd like people to call me Mr Selezynov from now on.

That's nice...
Not going to happen though.

He has posted a picture of himself with said car, and is/was a scientologist (thanks to his daddy's money) so it is reasonable to assume that he does actually own one.But, for whatever deity's sake, why? It's like throwing money into a fire.

That's a failing of your legal system. If you don't have a full body of evidence then you should expect to have people disagree with you. My theory is watertight. There are no massive holes, unlike with evolution.
I don't subscribe to any of Hubbards theories.

Watertight? Really now I'm interested, how is it watertight when it has nothing... to... back... it... up... at... all...

Tell you what, have one of your alien buddies show up at my house and tell me how his people pissed in the gene pool and then I will consider believing you. There is also the condition of them making thier species known, and explaining in detail to the world's biologists just exactly when and how they did it.

Google Val's "real" name. It's enlightening.

Google Val's "real" name. It's enlightening.

Oh? What comes up? I've already googled my name today, and i'm not so vain that i'm going to do it again.

http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=55197

I totally claim I'm going to leave, and then don't. You shouldn't be like me, though.

One rule for mainstream science, one rule for me. Pathetic.

So you don't have any.

Watertight? Really now I'm interested, how is it watertight when it has nothing... to... back... it... up... at... all...

Tell you what, have one of your alien buddies show up at my house and tell me how his people pissed in the gene pool and then I will consider believing you. There is also the condition of them making thier species known, and explaining in detail to the world's biologists just exactly when and how they did it.

?
Evolution has shown up at your door and explained itself, has it?

http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=55197

I totally claim I'm going to leave, and then don't. You shouldn't be like me, though.

I can't read that, i've been ip banned =(

http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=55197

I totally claim I'm going to leave, and then don't. You shouldn't be like me, though.

but the difference is we like you.

"trying it on them". No no. I've been at that forum for about 6 months, and am a much liked and respected "regular".

Did I use the phrase "trying it on them"? No, I did not.

?
Evolution has shown up at your door and explained itself, has it?

All you have to do is a little research and you can see the body of evidence in favor of the ToE, where's the evidence to support your theory?

My point is this whats the point talking about something which can not rationally proven or disproven.

God can rationaly be disproved. But hes God he can hide in irrational thought. Has done so for hundreds of years. Really there is no point to discussion cause creationists dont use logic.

Oh? What comes up? I've already googled my name today, and i'm not so vain that i'm going to do it again.

Well, your work with cosmonauts, and your presence in acres of game forums. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Valentin+Selezynov%22

Also, Google would rather that you spelled your surname "Seleznyov", which does have the more orthographic appearance of a Russian name, but transliteration happens all the time in hospitals, so meh.

I can't read that, i've been ip banned =(Gee, I wonder why. :rolleyes:

Awww. on that muse.mu thread most people said they wanted me to stay.

but the difference is we like you.

Why? I'm not the gift that was given to the world to make up for the Challenger explosion.

I'm not so awesome that "fate rewarded me by forcing a teacher to molest a female student" in revenge for me getting a low grade from said teacher.

http://www.valentinselezynov.eu/About.php

Well, your work with cosmonauts, and your presence in acres of game forums. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Valentin+Selezynov%22

Also, Google would rather that you spelled your surname "Seleznyov", which does have the more orthographic appearance of a Russian name, but transliteration happens all the time in hospitals, so meh.

My posting in games forums is sporadic. I'll maybe spend a few days where i'll make a lot of posts, then i wont even log on for a few months. Gamesforum.com is the only one i bother with on a regular basis.

Awww. on that muse.mu thread most people said they wanted me to stay.9,223,372,036,854,775,808 to 137,463,783,763.
What galactic empire are you from, and how many people does it have? :rolleyes:

?
Evolution has shown up at your door and explained itself, has it?

Yes, we had a pleasant conversation over tea and cakes.

9,223,372,036,854,775,808 to 137,463,783,763.
What galactic empire are you from, and how many people does it have? :rolleyes:

Uhm... a mod edited the poll. Clearly. Do you think a muse forum would attract more people that there are in the world?

Why?

You're funny.

I'm not the gift that was given to the world to make up for the Challenger explosion.

I'm not so awesome that "fate rewarded me by forcing a teacher to molest a female student" in revenge for me getting a low grade from said teacher.

http://www.valentinselezynov.eu/About.php
If it was anybody else I'd be surprised.

Uhm... a mod edited the poll. Clearly. Do you think a muse forum would attract more people that there are in the world?And how do you know that when you've been IP banned? Oh, wait, have you really been IP banned? Once again, I suppose not.

I suppose you could infer, but your post leave me questioning your honesty.

My about me page on my website isn't finished yet. In fact i've kind of given up on it and am going to get a professional make me a webpage.

And how do you know that when you've been IP banned? Oh, wait, have you really been IP banned? Once again, I suppose not.

conceal.ws

Uhm... a mod edited the poll. Clearly. Do you think a muse forum would attract more people that there are in the world?

Since the rest of us aren't IP banned from there, we can still review the thread, wherein you mention that you could use your Wadu Ryu Karate (the kind you say is used in the Olympics) to "dispatch of" other forum users.

But then you mentioned you "lost your license"...

It took me just 5 minutes on Google to call this up:

http://www.toarchive.org/faqs/homs/
https://www.msu.edu/~heslipst/contents/ANP440/
http://www.toarchive.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://www.toarchive.org/faqs/speciation.html

Since the rest of us aren't IP banned from there, we can still review the thread, wherein you mention that you could use your Wadu Ryu Karate (the kind you say is used in the Olympics) to "dispatch of" other forum users.

But then you mentioned you "lost your license"...

i worked out a way to read the thread. conceal.ws. a browser proxy.

I'm a black belt 2nd dan at Wada Ryu, yes. And i said that in reply to someone who threatened to beat me up for calling him a borderline sex offender.

"When a woman from the company called me to collect the payment, i condemned her to hell and called her supervisor a dullard. So he blocked my previous domain, preventing me from moving ValentinSelezynov.com to a new host."

-from the Website of Valentiz Selezynov, leader of his own religion

Valentaokyo. That's what my religion is called.

i worked out a way to read the thread. conceal.ws. a browser proxy.

I'm a black belt 2nd dan at Wada Ryu, yes. And i said that in reply to someone who threatened to beat me up for calling him a borderline sex offender.

The point is, you claimed its the kind of "karate used in the Olympics".

Karate isn't an Olympic Sport. There was a vote as to whether to include it in the 2012 Olympics, but it didn't make the 2/3 majority needed in the IOC.

You're flat out lying.

Valentaokyo. That's what my religion is called.

And you think we care what you call the religion you made up because:______________

You mention it so much.

Why? I'm not the gift that was given to the world to make up for the Challenger explosion.

I'm not so awesome that "fate rewarded me by forcing a teacher to molest a female student" in revenge for me getting a low grade from said teacher.

http://www.valentinselezynov.eu/About.php

What now? How is that even possible?

i worked out a way to read the thread. conceal.ws. a browser proxy.

I'm a black belt 2nd dan at Wada Ryu, yes. And i said that in reply to someone who threatened to beat me up for calling him a borderline sex offender.

Threatened...online? Hokaaay....

The point is, you claimed its the kind of "karate used in the Olympics".

Karate isn't an Olympic Sport. There was a vote as to whether to include it in the 2012 Olympics, but it didn't make the 2/3 majority needed in the IOC.

You're flat out lying.

It used to be a karate sport. I remember someone telling me that my instructor, Clayton Morrison, had performed in the Olympics.

You mention it so much.

Really, I do? Let's see you provide one link to your made up religion that is not a direct response to your mentioning it.

What now? How is that even possible?



Threatened...online? Hokaaay....

Well, this teacher told me to not bother turning up to my history exam, so i didn't, and got a U grade.

A few years later, he had a relationship with a student and was fired. That b*stard got what he deserved. I hope he's homeless.

I came to Earth with a dream. A dream of my own religion, whose sole purpose is to keep me supplied with alcohol, tobacco and firearms. So far, it's succeeded.

Really, I do? Let's see you provide one link to your made up religion that is not a direct response to your mentioning it.

You as in the forum. My original post wasn't in reply to you, if you want to be pedantic.

It used to be a karate sport. I remember someone telling me that my instructor, Clayton Morrison, had performed in the Olympics.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Clayton+Morrison%22+karate+olympic&start=20&sa=N

Nope.

However, one of those links is to a forum where you say that "his name might not be Clayton Morrison". I don't think you do karate. I'm thinking dodgeball.

Valentasia is rich, that makes him right about everything.

The rest of us poor souls are just foolish uneducated peasants who know nothing of the way things really work and put our faith in sound thoeries with traceable evidence behind them. The wealthy are the only ones who know anything!

As for the rest of us:
http://attendingtheworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/jacknicholson.jpg

[/thread]

Well, this teacher told me to not bother turning up to my history exam, so i didn't, and got a U grade.

A few years later, he had a relationship with a student and was fired. That b*stard got what he deserved. I hope he's homeless.

Fine, but how was "force" involved? I don't ask why you think it was vengeance for your grade because that level of megalomania is already plain.

Clinton Morrisson, google that. Or Clifton.

As i said, my license expired. I havn't taken any lessons since 2001

It used to be a karate sport. I remember someone telling me that my instructor, Clayton Morrison, had performed in the Olympics.

Really? This is what you posted before on the Muse thread:

It was a long time ago i learned, i remember my mother telling me he was in the olympics. He may have not been as a karate contestant, his name might not even be clayton morrison. It's calyton something though.

So, you weren't even sure he was a "karate contestant", and the IOC seems to indicate it was never an Olympic Sport, although it is trying to become one.

Yet we're to believe its "the style used in the Olympics", when the governing body petitioning to make it an Olympic Sport represents many, many other styles.

Yes, you're quite deadly, with your 2nd Dan Black Belt in a style you don't seem to know much about...

Fine, but how was "force" involved? I don't ask why you think it was vengeance for your grade because that level of megalomania is already plain.

The Fate forced it to happen.

It took me just 5 minutes on Google to call this up:

http://www.toarchive.org/faqs/homs/
https://www.msu.edu/~heslipst/contents/ANP440/
http://www.toarchive.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://www.toarchive.org/faqs/speciation.html

I thought we were debating on the evidence for evolution. Now we seem to be involved in a bunch of meaningless dick-waving.

It used to be a karate sport.
Not sure what that is supposed to mean, but Karate has never been an olympic sport.
I remember someone telling me that my instructor, Clayton Morrison, had performed in the Olympics.
You're either incredibly gullible or full of shit...

Really? This is what you posted before on the Muse thread:



So, you weren't even sure he was a "karate contestant", and the IOC seems to indicate it was never an Olympic Sport, although it is trying to become one.

Yet we're to believe its "the style used in the Olympics", when the governing body petitioning to make it an Olympic Sport represents many, many other styles.

Yes, you're quite deadly, with your 2nd Dan Black Belt in a style you don't seem to know much about...

I recall being told by someone it was. I was young, and didn't really care. I never bothered to check it out for those reasons. That doesn't mean i don't know anything about Wada Ryu. Ask me what is unique about its belt structure.

Clinton Morrisson, google that. Or Clifton.

As i said, my license expired. I havn't taken any lessons since 2001

License?

Maybe its different where you're from, but what license? Granted by whom, and signifying what?

I thought we were debating on the evidence for evolution. Now we seem to be involved in a bunch of meaningless dick-waving.

Well, we have to do something while we wait for him to provide evidence for his personal theory.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Clayton+Morrison%22+karate+olympic&start=20&sa=N

Nope.

However, one of those links is to a forum where you say that "his name might not be Clayton Morrison". I don't think you do karate. I'm thinking dodgeball.

gotta love some of the responses to that post though:

see, you're bullshitting now, if you can't even spell sensei, I doubt you're involved in any martial arts, oh and I googled Wada Ryu, surely a style prominent enough to feature in the olympics would have results running into the thousands; actually, it doesn't even reach 400 results, googled Clayton Morrison as well, and, yup, no dice; mainly because Karate isn't an olympic sport.

bold for emphasis. The only martial sports that have a place in the Olympic Games are judo, wrestling, boxing, fencing and tae kwon do. Karate is not an Olympic sport.

Valentasia is rich, that makes him right about everything.

The rest of us poor souls are just foolish uneducated peasants who know nothing of the way things really work and put our faith in sound thoeries with traceable evidence behind them. The wealthy are the only ones who know anything!

As for the rest of us:
http://attendingtheworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/jacknicholson.jpg

[/thread]

Someone gets it.

License?

Maybe its different where you're from, but what license? Granted by whom, and signifying what?

In the UK you're given a license upon earning your white/red stripe belt.

I recall being told by someone it was. I was young, and didn't really care. I never bothered to check it out for those reasons. That doesn't mean i don't know anything about Wada Ryu. Ask me what is unique about its belt structure.

I'll bite, what's unique about its belt structure?

I recall being told by someone it was. I was young, and didn't really care.

And based on "being told by someone" and since you "didn't really care", you claimed it was an Olympic form that would allow you to "dispatch of" members of that forum.

If you "don't really care" enough to check the facts that were quite easy to verify, it explains a lot about your position, especially your attitude towards things like facts and evidence in science.


I never bothered to check it out for those reasons. That doesn't mean i don't know anything about Wada Ryu. Ask me what is unique about its belt structure.

Oh, because that would be really hard to find out, and would only be answerable by a "2nd Dan Black Belt", right?

Why did you leave Scientology?

I'll bite, what's unique about its belt structure?

Well, we have three different white belts.

In the UK you're given a license upon earning your white/red stripe belt.

A "license" issued by whom, and meaning what?

Someone gets it.

Someone doesn't.

And based on "being told by someone" and since you "didn't really care", you claimed it was an Olympic form that would allow you to "dispatch of" members of that forum.

If you "don't really care" enough to check the facts that were quite easy to verify, it explains a lot about your position, especially your attitude towards things like facts and evidence in science.



Oh, because that would be really hard to find out, and would only be answerable by a "2nd Dan Black Belt", right?

Why did you leave Scientology?

There's a video of me performing a kata on my youtube, but i didn't want to subject anyone to that.

I left because i wanted to pursue my own ideas about how we came to be and what our purpose is. I feel that i've arrived at a conclusion that can be proven by science.

A "license" issued by whom, and meaning what?

I was 8. I don't know and i don't really care.

Personally, I leave the evolution-creation debate to those who actually believe that A) it can be won, and B) it matters to anyone in anything resembling a practical way.

Sure, some people like arguing for its own sake, I understand that. Banter and give-and-take can be fun. If you can engage in it with someone you find attractive as well, so much the better. But overall? It's a colossal waste of time and energy. Unless one side is trying to somehow restrict or legislate to the other, there's no sense in arguing over it.

There's a video of me performing a kata on my youtube, but i didn't want to subject anyone to that.

I left because i wanted to pursue my own ideas about how we came to be and what our purpose is. I feel that i've arrived at a conclusion that can be proven by science.

The moon thing?

The moon thing?

Valentaokyo, yes.

In the UK you're given a license upon earning your white/red stripe belt.

the red with a white stripe (not the other way around) is a traditional Okinawan ranking.

It also indicates a 6th dan, which is a high level master, and something that would take decades.

the red with a white stripe (not the other way around) is a traditional Okinawan ranking.

It also indicates a 6th dan, which is a high level master, and something that would take decades.

I'm talking about Wada Ryu. It's white with a red stripe, followed by white with a yellow stripe.

I'm talking about Wada Ryu. It's white with a red stripe, followed by white with a yellow stripe.

in which case it's a 9th kyu, an entry level beginner, something achievable in probably a week or two, and nothing that any government would have any interest in licensing.

I was 8. I don't know and i don't really care.

Have you noticed this is something Valentin seems to say when his claims and assertions are subject to even basic evidentiary examination or rudimentary questions?


Lots of claims, lots of statements, but dig even the slightest git, and you get "I don't know and I don't really care"...

Well, you claimed you DID know, and you seemed to care enough to make the claim in the first place, you just don't care enough to actually know enough to answer simple questions.

Explains a lot about your claims on evolution.

Personally, I leave the evolution-creation debate to those who actually believe that A) it can be won, and B) it matters to anyone in anything resembling a practical way.

Sure, some people like arguing for its own sake, I understand that. Banter and give-and-take can be fun. If you can engage in it with someone you find attractive as well, so much the better. But overall? It's a colossal waste of time and energy. Unless one side is trying to somehow restrict or legislate to the other, there's no sense in arguing over it.

Except for the fact that evolution is the very founding basis for all of biology. Many important and practical ideas in biology rest on the notion that the composition of the gene pool changes over time, and that the only constraints on the degree to which it is able to change over a given period of time are natural selection and the rate of mutation, not some arbitrary barrier that creationists call "kind."

Have you noticed this is something Valentin seems to say when his claims and assertions are subject to even basic evidentiary examination or rudimentary questions?


Lots of claims, lots of statements, but dig even the slightest git, and you get "I don't know and I don't really care"...

Well, you claimed you DID know, and you seemed to care enough to make the claim in the first place, you just don't care enough to actually know enough to answer simple questions.

Explains a lot about your claims on evolution.

I made the claim on a different website. It's not my problem if some of you choose to cyberstalk me. You're like a bunch of creepy voyeurs. It makes me kind of sick.

Have you noticed this is something Valentin seems to say when his claims and assertions are subject to even basic evidentiary examination or rudimentary questions?


Lots of claims, lots of statements, but dig even the slightest git, and you get "I don't know and I don't really care"...

Well, you claimed you DID know, and you seemed to care enough to make the claim in the first place, you just don't care enough to actually know enough to answer simple questions.

Explains a lot about your claims on evolution.

Our freind Valentasia is just demonstrating how he exemplifies both ignorance and indifference.

Well, we have three different white belts.

no, you don't. The style actually has three levels of entry beginner, such that the time and effort required to move from first through to 4th is usually comparable to another style from first to second belt. It doesn't have "three different white belts". It has three beginner ranks, where most styles have one.

If you had actually taken it, and not just glanced at the wiki entry, you'd know the difference.

in which case it's a 9th kyu, an entry level beginner, something achievable in probably a week or two, and nothing that any government would have any interest in licensing.

Notice also that Valentin claims to have gotten to 2nd Dan Black Belt with this "Olympic" Karate Instructor, yet can't remember his name.

I lived in Japan. The relationship between sensei and student at that level has the same gimu and giri as between family members. And he can't remember the guy's name.

no, you don't. The style actually has three levels of entry beginner, such that the time and effort required to move from first through to 4th is usually comparable to another style from first to second belt. It doesn't have "three different white belts". It has three beginner ranks, where most styles have one.

If you had actually taken it, and not just glanced at the wiki entry, you'd know the difference.

You are given three different white belts.

Notice also that Valentin claims to have gotten to 2nd Dan Black Belt with this "Olympic" Karate Instructor, yet can't remember his name.

I lived in Japan. The relationship between sensei and student at that level has the same gimu and giri as between family members. And he can't remember the guy's name.

No it isn't.

Not that I particularly care much for the topic, but...

...TOPIC?

I made the claim on a different website. It's not my problem if some of you choose to cyberstalk me. You're like a bunch of creepy voyeurs. It makes me kind of sick.

We asked for evidence for your claim, we didn't get one, so we went searching...
Is it our fault that the only results for "Interventionary Evolution" are posts you made on other forums?

I made the claim on a different website. It's not my problem if some of you choose to cyberstalk me. You're like a bunch of creepy voyeurs. It makes me kind of sick.

Look up the simple concept of "expectation of privacy". If you put things out in a public forum, like these, its your own fault.

The claim was a clear and demonstrable lie. It took no "stalking" but only the most pedestrian of technical acumen to catch you.

Some of the people on this forum don't express their worth in the value of their cars. Some of them, like Neo Art, are highly trained in investigating facts and their bastard cousins, claims. They've spent hours scrutinizing claims precisely to expose false claims.

In your case, for them, its been like sandblasting a soup cracker.

Not that I particularly care much for the topic, but...

...TOPIC?

Right. Well I do believe in Evolution. Aren't I allowed though to also believe God had a hand in it? Sort of kick starting it?

We asked for evidence for your claim, we didn't get one, so we went searching...
Is it our fault that the only results for "Interventionary Evolution" are posts you made on other forums?

Maybe if you people were not so sick in the head, i'd be prepared to put my inner most thoughts out there. What happened the last time i did that, huh?

I was CYBER-BULLIED.

Not that I particularly care much for the topic, but...

...TOPIC?

We're still waiting for Valentasia to provide 1 iota of evidence for his personal theory about evolution.

Notice also that Valentin claims to have gotten to 2nd Dan Black Belt with this "Olympic" Karate Instructor, yet can't remember his name.


You know what's funny? In most traditional styles, nobody below a 3rd dan is considered qualified to teach. And NOBODY of 2nd dan would be in the olympics.

We asked for evidence for your claim, we didn't get one, so we went searching...
Is it our fault that the only results for "Interventionary Evolution" are posts you made on other forums?

Somehow I get the idea that he really does...

Anyway time for me to go home, I'll let you guys know if some of his martian buddies show up for hot cocoa and explain how things really went down.

Curiously, many of the Google results regarding Wada Ryu involve your posting on other boards. Even more curiously, you made the same claims regarding Clayton Morrisson (a fine personal-injury lawyer in Beavercreek, Oregon) more than once. Now, I know enough about trolling to make sure my tracks are covered but it is a devastating mistake that can undo your entire efforts.

As a tip, I'd suggest that you try to keep as much of your story factually accurate as possible, since this means you're able to lead people on that much more effectively. One misstep can be forgiven, but two basically sinks you. In the age of Google, tactics that worked on Usenet just don't fly; any two-bit amateur can usually verify your story in seconds and get you backed in to a corner. The best troll is one that is not only consistent, but self referencing. If you can not only make someone try to verify your story, but successfully construct it so that the evidence corroborates it and then forces them in to wasting the time to debunk it, you've won.

Look up the simple concept of "expectation of privacy". If you put things out in a public forum, like these, its your own fault.

The claim was a clear and demonstrable lie. It took no "stalking" but only the most pedestrian of technical acumen to catch you.

Some of the people on this forum don't express their worth in the value of their cars. Some of them, like Neo Art, are highly trained in investigating facts and their bastard cousins, claims. They've spent hours scrutinizing claims precisely to expose false claims.

In your case, for them, its been like sandblasting a soup cracker.

He sounds like he lives a full and exciting life.

I'm happy with my 100k sports car.

Maybe if you people were not so sick in the head, i'd be prepared to put my inner most thoughts out there. What happened the last time i did that, huh?

I was CYBER-BULLIED.

So, we're sick in the head because we googled "Interventionary Evolution"? You, however, are perfectly fine mentally because you made it and your little moon theory up... :rolleyes:

No it isn't.

No what isn't?

Getting to 2nd Dan Black Belt "isn't" something that would entail remembering your instructor's name, after claiming that he was an Olympic competitor?

For a guy who can be found in a number of places claiming to be academically brilliant and a great mind, your reply didn't even reflect a grasp of grammar...

Curiously, many of the Google results regarding Wada Ryu involve your posting on other boards. Even more curiously, you made the same claims regarding Clayton Morrisson (a fine personal-injury lawyer in Beavercreek, Oregon) more than once. Now, I know enough about trolling to make sure my tracks are covered but it is a simple mistake unless you're confident the grounds are ripe for a solid troll.

As a tip, I'd suggest that you try to keep as much of your story factually accurate as possible, since this means you're able to lead people on that much more effectively. One misstep can be forgiven, but two basically sinks you. In the age of Google, tactics that worked on Usenet just don't fly; any two-bit amateur can usually verify your story in seconds and get you backed in to a corner.

I'm not interested in leading anyone on. I was told that my instructor performed at the olympics. It turns out he didn't. I learned that on the Muse forum. I didn't make any such claim here, some Voyeur did.

We're still waiting for Valentasia to provide 1 iota of evidence for his personal theory about evolution.

Until he does, why are you dancing to his tune? Ignore the moneyed troll and get on with life.

So, we're sick in the head because we googled "Interventionary Evolution"? You, however, are perfectly fine mentally because you made it and your little moon theory up... :rolleyes:

I will not be spoken to this way. You stop immediately. All of you.

I'm happy with my 100k sports car.It isn't a sports car. It's a luxury car. Dude, you own the car. Get your facts straight.

And now I'm back to waiting for your evidence.

It isn't a sports car. It's a luxury car. Dude, you own the car. Get your facts straight.

And now I'm back to waiting for your evidence.

CLK cabriolet 500 SPORT.

It's a sports car.

Maybe if you people were not so sick in the head, i'd be prepared to put my inner most thoughts out there. What happened the last time i did that, huh?

I was CYBER-BULLIED.

So, you're the leader of your own religion, and can't withstand the "bullying" of basic questions regarding your claims.

Yes, you must be a 2nd Dan martial artist....

CLK cabriolet 500 SPORT.

It's a sports car.Sport-variant =/= sports car. It may be 'sporty', but a Cabriolet is not a sports car.

I will not be spoken to this way. You stop immediately. All of you.

Actually, if you continue to spout nonsense and refuse to make any attempt to back it up, yes you will be spoken to in this fashion. None of us are impressed by your rich daddy and expensive car.
You don't like the treatment you are receiving, back up your claims.

I can prove its creationalism
evolution implies improvement over time
we havent improved and if the standard tests are to be accepted
getting dumber
therefore we were created this way