NationStates Jolt Archive

many years ago, my home state decided that casinos were the wave of the future and so decided they would have 10. why 10? fuck if i know - maybe the future is only big enough for 10 casinos per midwestern state? anyways, they got 9 permits handed out last millennium, but never quite got around to the other one. so for the last decade or two, there has been ongoing bullshit over who gets the 10th license, constantly slowed by the fact that everybody involved is obviously in the mob.

and now the issue has finally been settled. there were three 'finalists': rosemont said it would pay the state like half a billion dollars for the license, waukegan bid a couple hundred million, and des plaines bid some pancakes and an old bike. and in the spirit of illinois trying to look less buyable, des plaines got it. hooray!

anyways, according to the gaming board, rosemont specifically didn't get it because the town is run by the mob. therefore, the new casino is going to be built literally 3 blocks outside of rosemont (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3000+Des+Plaines+River+Road&ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ll=41.987822,-87.87775&spn=0.06418,0.136127&z=13).

why does il even pretend?

Because politicians have to keep not only the public happy, but those who contribute to their campaign and offices. Which apparently includes the Mob.

mob government isnt so bad.

and now the issue has finally been settled. there were three 'finalists': rosemont said it would pay the state like half a billion dollars for the license, waukegan bid a couple hundred million, and des plaines bid some pancakes and an old bike. and in the spirit of illinois trying to look less buyable, des plaines got it. hooray!

anyways, according to the gaming board, rosemont specifically didn't get it because the town is run by the mob. therefore, the new casino is going to be built literally 3 blocks outside of rosemont (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3000+Des+Plaines+River+Road&ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ll=41.987822,-87.87775&spn=0.06418,0.136127&z=13).

why does il even pretend?

Eh. It's all run by the mob anyway - why quibble? Waukegan's too far north, and Rosemont is Rosemont. Bleh. I'd put it in Des Plaines too, given the choices.

mob government isnt so bad.

Lots of wise guys in Texas, are there?

Oh, wait... there is ONE hell of a big crook from there...

Lots of wise guys in Texas, are there?

...

the mob here is called La eMe

Eh. It's all run by the mob anyway - why quibble? Waukegan's too far north, and Rosemont is Rosemont. Bleh. I'd put it in Des Plaines too, given the choices.

i'd choose dp too, just to see how they would fuck it up

but they've been doing this whole elaborate charade since the early 90s. i just don't see the point.

mob government isnt so bad.

you know, sometimes i think people really did get confused by the multiple meanings of 'mob'

i'd choose dp too, just to see how they would fuck it up

but they've been doing this whole elaborate charade since the early 90s. i just don't see the point.

Image, I guess. You probably wouldn't visit a casino you *knew* was crooked. If L.A. street gangs have marketing departments (as I hear a few of them do), it's not much of a stretch to think the Chicago mob has done some market analysis of its own.

*snip*

If you are from Illinois then why does this surprise you? My wife and I lived there for eight years and she declared it the most corrupt place she has ever seen and she is a native of New Jersey and NYC.

What I like best about the corruption is the overall blatant nature of it all. Rosemont is run by the mob. Everyone knows it and no one cares. Daley is a thug and criminal. Everyone knows it and no one cares. The Teamsters are criminals and thugs. Everyone knows it and no one cares.

I have seen the "N" word used openly in a town hall meeting and not a single person looked the least bit shocked because of who said it. What was shocking to people was my asking if that was really acceptable behaviour.

Amazing that Obama could walk away from the Chicago machine without ever having been a part of such corruption. Truly he is the King of Kings.

If you are from Illinois then why does this surprise you?

things need not be surprising to be worth discussing

Amazing that Obama could walk away from the Chicago machine without ever having been a part of such corruption. Truly he is the King of Kings.

Heh. Very good. :tongue:

Amazing that Obama could walk away from the Chicago machine without ever having been a part of such corruption. Truly he is the King of Kings.

Hehe...well, I think that's too early to call.

many years ago, my home state decided that casinos were the wave of the future and so decided they would have 10. why 10? fuck if i know - maybe the future is only big enough for 10 casinos per midwestern state? Don't want to grow too fast. 10 is a sizeable number.

and now the issue has finally been settled. there were three 'finalists': rosemont said it would pay the state like half a billion dollars for the license, waukegan bid a couple hundred million, and des plaines bid some pancakes and an old bike. and in the spirit of illinois trying to look less buyable, des plaines got it. hooray! if all they could afford was pancakes and an old bike, then Des Plaines needed it more than Rosemont.

anyways, according to the gaming board, rosemont specifically didn't get it because the town is run by the mob. therefore, the new casino is going to be built literally 3 blocks outside of rosemont (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3000+Des+Plaines+River+Road&ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ll=41.987822,-87.87775&spn=0.06418,0.136127&z=13).

why does il even pretend?because, it's a nice distance from Rosemont. it will allow Rosemont's mobs to expand their territory.

Why do white people get casinos in your state? :P

if all they could afford was pancakes and an old bike, then Des Plaines needed it more than Rosemont.

It really does. Between the convention center, hotels and the Horizon, Rosemont's not short on cash, I'm sure. :tongue:

I hate Illinois. I love Southern Illinois. Long live So. Ill!!!!


Also, keep your stinking casinos up there. Just keep all your trash away from us down here.

Why do white people get casinos in your state? :P

tired of native americans making all the money.

I hate Illinois. I love Southern Illinois. Long live So. Ill!!!!

Also, keep your stinking casinos up there. Just keep all your trash away from us down here.

The casinos are already 'down there.' Some of them, at least. And don't tell me your civic center (Dairy Queen) doesn't have a raffle - that's gambling, my friend. And gambling's gambling. ;)

tired of native americans making all the money.

They get all the breaks, those Indians.

They get all the breaks, those Indians.

yeah so lucky those natives hvaing all their land being managed for them so thy dont have to think about anything.

Why do white people get casinos in your state? :P

nah, we'll have indians running the casino. maybe pakistanis, too.

If you are from Illinois then why does this surprise you? My wife and I lived there for eight years and she declared it the most corrupt place she has ever seen and she is a native of New Jersey and NYC.

What I like best about the corruption is the overall blatant nature of it all. Rosemont is run by the mob. Everyone knows it and no one cares. Daley is a thug and criminal. Everyone knows it and some people care. The Teamsters are criminals and thugs. Everyone knows it and some people care.

I have seen the "N" word used openly in a town hall meeting and not a single person looked the least bit shocked because of who said it. What was shocking to people was my asking if that was really acceptable behaviour.

Amazing that Obama could never walk away from the Chicago machine having been a part of such corruption. Truly he is the King of Kings. And also he can walk on water...


Look at the current or should I say Ex Gov. of Illinois. Also look at the past 7 governors... i belive it is so far 4 out of the last 7 have been convicted of felonies. The Gov. prior to Blo-jo is still in prison. Also I have changed some things in the quoted post above. Changes listed in bold and italicized. I guess everyone is going to be :hail: bowing to Obama.

You're living in Corruption Central. You're complaining?

The government put in place by Frank Nitti is alive and well, and has been for decades.

Why do white people get casinos in your state? :P
there are no indian reservations in illinois. the various tribes were all removed to oklahoma.

Why do white people get casinos in your state? :P

The 2 casinos in my area are owned by the Mashantucket Pequot Tribe and the Mohegan Tribe. So they're technically not in our state (they're both on land sovereign to the respective tribes).

I guess everyone is going to be :hail: bowing to Obama.

What the hell do you suggest? Arrest Obama on an account of "being a politician from Illinois"? What the hell does that have to do with him?

there are no indian reservations in illinois. the various tribes were all removed to oklahoma.

but we have named every single one of our high school sports teams in their honor. fair trade, says i.

but we have named every single one of our high school sports teams in their honor. fair trade, says i.
im sure that the fox and sauk living in oklahoma appreciate it very much.

Why do white people get casinos in your state? :P

Because we sent all the ingines out west to the reservations, so there are none left.

I hate Illinois. I love Southern Illinois. Long live So. Ill!!!!


So, you love the bumpkin, backwater, meth infested, fundie populated, hick part of IL where there is nothing to do?


the fuck?


Also, keep your stinking casinos up there. Just keep all your trash away from us down here.

Only if you keep your meth labs away from us up here.

im sure that the fox and sauk living in oklahoma appreciate it very much.

they can thank us later

they can thank us later
maybe theyll drive up to go to one of the casinos. are any of them named after tribes?

some more on the story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-casino-license-23-dec23,0,4575025.story)

also,
Midwest Gaming and Entertainment LLC beat out its competitors on a 3-1 vote of the five-member Illinois Gaming Board. Panel member Eugene Winkler refused to vote because he said he was not convinced that any of the finalists deserved permission to operate slot machines and betting tables.

"We have become accustomed to the stench of gambling and its effects in Illinois," said Winkler, a Methodist minister. "That's the problem we have grown used to. Corruption in government, pay-to-play, headline grabbers and behind-the-scenes operators, but real moral and ethical issues are at stake."

what, exactly are these issues? people always say they are there, but i still have no idea about what they actually think the 'real moral and ethical issues' involving gambling are.

maybe theyll drive up to go to one of the casinos. are any of them named after tribes?

not to my knowledge, but all of des plaines' middle schools are, so we could probably work something out

some more on the story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-casino-license-23-dec23,0,4575025.story)

also,


what, exactly are these issues? people always say they are there, but i still have no idea about what they actually think the 'real moral and ethical issues' involving gambling are.
the destruction of lives and families through gambling addiction mostly.

and, since its illinois, perhaps its where those on the right side of the law meet those who are on the wrong side of it, to their detriment.

nah, we'll have indians running the casino. maybe pakistanis, too.

Feather not dot!

there are no indian reservations in illinois. the various tribes were all removed to oklahoma.

Excellent answer, thanks.

the destruction of lives and families through gambling addiction mostly.

but isn't that a more general problem, not so much with gambling per se but with impulse control? gambling provides another avenue with which those lacking good enough impulse control can fuck themselves over, but it isn't the only one. and such people represent just a tiny slice of the public at large anyways - so the issue would best be solved by identifying them and cutting them off (the problem here would be getting the casinos to go along with it, really).

and, since its illinois, perhaps its where those on the right side of the law meet those who are on the wrong side of it, to their detriment.

haha, maybe

whoa, unexpected - it turns out that a bunch of my friends from high school are not at all happy about DP getting a casino. complaints seem to be that it will increase crime, decrease property values, and generally make the place into a trailer park. given that DP already has like 5 trailer parks, i'm slightly less than convinced about the latter points. and the crime thing seems like the sort of thing you'd need some actual data for, and i ain't seen any...

what, exactly are these issues? people always say they are there, but i still have no idea about what they actually think the 'real moral and ethical issues' involving gambling are.
It's an addictive behavior that destroys finances, relationships, consumes time, et cetera. No, seriously, people get hooked on gambling just as they get hooked on drugs. It's the same sort of addictive behavior. This is the #1 "moral and ethical" issue.
To promote gambling entails promoting the "quick get rich" mentality, which usually results in counterproductive or nearly nonproductive activity at the expense of productive activity.
Promoting the "quick get rich" mentality and irrational behavior comes at the expense of encouraging diligence and perseverance.
A casino is a perfect place to launder cash. That makes it attractive to all the wrong sorts of organizations and people.
What's the real way to win at gambling? Cheat! Encouraging gambling leads to an explosion of cheats and con men.
The house always wins. Which means that almost everybody else loses almost all the time. The "issue" here is that the casino owners rake it in for doing fairly little work, like Wall Street insiders fleecing senile Floridians. It's like taking candy from a baby, only with flashing lights, a nudie bar, and a bad buffet.

The house always wins. Which means that almost everybody else loses almost all the time. The "issue" here is that the casino owners rake it in for doing fairly little work, like Wall Street insiders fleecing senile Floridians. It's like taking candy from a baby, only with flashing lights, a nudie bar, and a bad buffet.

if you count cards in black jack you can win slightly more then you lose. I think turns it into 51% winning in multiple deck and 55% winning in single deck.

counting cards is not illegle or cheating. It is just normally discouraged by the casino. though some casinos allow it and just intend to make money off the vast majority who dont count cards and other games.

if you count cards in black jack you can win slightly more then you lose. I think turns it into 51% winning in multiple deck and 55% winning in single deck.

counting cards is not illegle or cheating. It is just normally discouraged by the casino. though some casinos allow it and just intend to make money off the vast majority who dont count cards and other games.
if you can count cards in your head there is no problem. there is no way to tell. they wont let you count cards with any sort of aid.

I don't know if I like Illinois, but I surely like Chicago's O'Hare Intl. Airport. Does that count?

if you can count cards in your head there is no problem. there is no way to tell. they wont let you count cards with any sort of aid.

yeah f course in your head. it isnt that hard.

yeah f course in your head. it isnt that hard.
i dunno, ive never played a single deck blackjack table in a casino. the ones ive played use 4 or 5 decks and reshuffle well before the end of the stack. counting never seemed particularly useful except for the obvious.

i dunno, ive never played a single deck blackjack table in a casino. the ones ive played use 4 or 5 decks and reshuffle well before the end of the stack. counting never seemed particularly useful except for the obvious.

Atlantic city has a few. Ive been able to make about 1,000 dollars at those before being asked to move to a differnt game.

Amazing that Obama could walk away from the Chicago machine without ever having been a part of such corruption. Truly he is the King of Kings.He is, well was, part of the Chicago machine so he is not off off the hock yet.

I don't know if I like Illinois, but I surely like Chicago's O'Hare Intl. Airport. Does that count?

O'Hare's great. I hate having to walk the mile or so to get to my gate though.

Why do white people get casinos in your state? :P

Because the natives of the Eastern US are long lost cousins of Europeans. ;)

Amazing that Obama could walk away from the Chicago machine without ever having been a part of such corruption. Truly he is the King of Kings.

Overlooked in a big way during the election. Tigers never loose their stripes. We will see how his presidency works out.

It's an addictive behavior that destroys finances, relationships, consumes time, et cetera. No, seriously, people get hooked on gambling just as they get hooked on drugs. It's the same sort of addictive behavior. This is the #1 "moral and ethical" issue.

and i'm not sure that i see this as an ethical issue with gambling, unless we are to adopt the principle that we ought not allow anything to which one might become addicted, which seems rather problematic at best.

To promote gambling entails promoting the "quick get rich" mentality, which usually results in counterproductive or nearly nonproductive activity at the expense of productive activity.
Promoting the "quick get rich" mentality and irrational behavior comes at the expense of encouraging diligence and perseverance.

allowing something to occur does not, of course, necessitate actively promoting it. we'd need to show that gambling itself is morally impermissible, or at least intrinsically leads to significantly greater problems than other permissible things.

A casino is a perfect place to launder cash. That makes it attractive to all the wrong sorts of organizations and people.
What's the real way to win at gambling? Cheat! Encouraging gambling leads to an explosion of cheats and con men.

these guys are always looking for an angle, anyway. i'm not convinced that given proper regulatory institutions casinos pose any particularly problem in this regard.

The house always wins. Which means that almost everybody else loses almost all the time. The "issue" here is that the casino owners rake it in for doing fairly little work, like Wall Street insiders fleecing senile Floridians. It's like taking candy from a baby, only with flashing lights, a nudie bar, and a bad buffet.

yeah, but this is more like a general problem of hierarchical social institutions. and at least casinos reinforce the basic truth of the situation. everybody is out to fuck you, and no matter how hard you work, from the position most of us find ourselves in, winning is always largely a matter of luck.

O'Hare's great. I hate having to walk the mile or so to get to my gate though.

True. That airport is a city in itself. The first time I went there, I got so lost. But I kinda liked that, it granted me the opportunity to see the airport. It was quite pretty.

The OP makes me ROFL