NationStates Jolt Archive

I was a work today, and was observing some rather attractive early 20s women from the other side of the pool. I thought to myself, wow, they look pretty hot. So, after building the courage to walk over there and have a chat (I'm a rather shy guy, so I very rarely do this unless they look nice, approachable and friendly) I walk around.

I get around there, and What should happen but:
- They are smoking
- They have young kids (teen mothers?)
- They are smoking around their young kids!
- They are swearing
- They are irresponsible parents - their little demon spawn are running around destroying things
- They are leaving their rubbish around
- tattoos (not small meaningful ones - big ones that just look terrible)

So, after all that pep-talking myself up, I shrank away (after telling them to pick up their damn cigarette butts and put them in the bin)

I was thinking about it after, and observed how interesting it was that something really minor in a persons behaviour can completely change your view of them. I went back to the other side of the pool, and could not work out how I had ever found them attractive in the first place.

So, I pose the question, what is an instant turn off to you in a member of your desired sex??
Myself, in order of dislike: (As a heterosexual male)
1. Smoking around kids or other people
2. Rude to other people (especially people like retail workers, and people who are providing a service to them).
3. swearing (especially around children - theirs or other peoples)
4. irresponsible parenting (I try to avoid single parents, but it is not an instant disqualification)
5. Littering (especially cigarette buts - you would not believe the number of times I have nearly had my head bashed in for asking some dickhead to pick up their damn butt)

So, what would yours be?

CHEWING WITH YOUR MOUTH OPEN.

That is all that I can think of right now.

Rude, arrogance, Southern Baptist, Women who follow the latest fashion and trends and that's all I can think of right now.

people who act childish when they're mad. Such as flipping off the circuit beaker to try and annoy who they're mad at.









I never understood people's...annoyance with swearing. Its just words.

Smokers' voices on almost any female usually is a turnoff. As is smelling like cigarette smoke. Well, that, trackmarks, methmouth .... i think you get the drift.
Also, pathetically short attention spans.

You have a pool at work? Neat!

For me, hypothetical turn-offs would be drug/alcohol addiction, obnoxious politics and perhaps New Age religion. Nothing too picky.

Scientology
Zeppelin haters. How can you hate Zeppelin? It's easy when you don't have a soul.
furry-haters. Just don't understand them. How can you hate furries?
Elitists. I don't care what you are. Conservative or liberal. Atheist (elitism seems to be popular among atheists. I guess not believing in Jesus or Lincoln gives on a superiority complex or something). Highly educated (why is it that people with better, fancier educations tend to be assholes?). Hardcore. This is a big one. Hardcore gamers tend to be selfish assholes who think they're better than everyone all because they have gore-filled shooters and imported jrpgs that feature a cast of men who can pass themselves off as women.

Hardcore. This is a big one. Hardcore gamers tend to be selfish assholes who think they're better than everyone all because they have gore-filled shooters and imported jrpgs that feature a cast of men who can pass themselves off as women.Winner, here.
*nods emphatically*

Dull as nails.
Not the sharpest pencil in the box.
Not physically attractive in the least.
Self centered.
Smoker.
Socialist. (Wow, i'm really stretching it now... >.<)
Not into sports.
Racist.
Not supportive.
Lazy.
Et al.

Smoking
Far-right opinions
Overly religious people
Bigotry

Yeah, the overly-religious and racist/bigot also get dishonourable mention.

Hmm... lets see

Personality/Behavioral Traits:
- Chew with their mouth open
- Lack of Manners (holding door open, etc)
- Loud in inappropriate places (restaurants, etc)
- Too stubborn (will argue that the sky is green just because they said so, etc)
- Nagging
- Needy
- No humor
- Smoking (cigarettes)
- Obnoxious laugh

Physical Traits:
- Bad Teeth
- Very bad skin
- Very overweight
- Pointless tattoos
- Bad hair


If I thought long and hard about it I know I could think of more. >.>

- Pointless tattoos

What would you consider pointless tattoos?

Shallow
Arrogant
Religious
Ignorant
Unimaginative
Overweight
etc

What would you consider pointless tattoos?http://talklikeaphysicist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/math-tattoo.jpg
Like that?

What would you consider pointless tattoos?

Full reproductions of the vopynich manuscript :p

http://talklikeaphysicist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/math-tattoo.jpg
Like that?

:D

*wants*

:D

*wants*Well, let's hook up. I got lotsa ergot, rotgut and some dental utensils i'd had sittin' out the rainy season in the shack out back.

Well, let's hook up. I got lotsa ergot, rotgut and some dental utensils i'd had sittin' out the rainy season in the shack out back.

As long as that cloth doesn't smell like chloroform, I guess I could have a go at it...

:tongue:

As long as that cloth doesn't smell like chloroform, I guess I could have a go at it...

:tongue:
I thought i came across all consensual-like .... :(

What would you consider pointless tattoos?

Tattoos that have absolutely no actual or personal meaning beyond being there for bragging and/or hilarity.

Case and Point. (http://www.thatsphucked.com/image.axd?picture=poo-donkey-tattoo.jpg)

Poor Tigger.

I thought i came across all consensual-like .... :(

XD

Honestly, I'm unsure if I ever want to ink myself, but if I ever do, pi will certainly be considered...

- They are smoking
- They have young kids (teen mothers?)
- They are smoking around their young kids!
- They are swearing
- They are irresponsible parents - their little demon spawn are running around destroying things
- They are leaving their rubbish around
- tattoos (not small meaningful ones - big ones that just look terrible)


These are all signs they will put out. What is your problem?

Zeppelin haters. How can you hate Zeppelin? It's easy when you don't have a soul.
furry-haters. Just don't understand them. How can you hate furries?
Elitists. I don't care what you are. Conservative or liberal. Atheist (elitism seems to be popular among atheists. I guess not believing in Jesus or Lincoln gives on a superiority complex or something). Highly educated (why is it that people with better, fancier educations tend to be assholes?).

People who bang on about Zeppelin.
People who like furries.
Religious people (elitism seems to be popular among them.)
Poorly educated. (Why is it poorly educated people with worse educations tend to be assholes? Or scared of highly educated people?)

XD

Honestly, I'm unsure if I ever want to ink myself, but if I ever do, pi will certainly be considered...I only have two in mind, but with the advent of my ... *shudder* ... parenthood status, i may have a third in mind. I don't think i've ever found one of them online. It was something i saw in a book once regarding a drawing a poor troubled individual sketched. Really neat. The other one would be something i doodled many many moons ago in high school.

Chewed-off fingernails. I'm finding that unspeakably disgusting.
Bad breath. It's not too much to ask to brush your teeth once or twice a day, is it?
People who audibly sniff up their own snot.

Cannibals.

You keep that ketchup away from my groin, damnit.

Chewed-off fingernails. I'm finding that unspeakably disgusting.What if, as evidenced in a Garfield comic once, it's because someone else chewed them off for you?

Bad breath. It's not too much to ask to brush your teeth once or twice a day, is it?What if the halitosis is due a set of hyper-retentive tonsils?

People who audibly sniff up their own snot.Well, i'm torn between that and people snot-gunning.

Cannibals.

You keep that ketchup away from my groin, damnit.But the tabasco's fine.

What if, as evidenced in a Garfield comic once, it's because someone else chewed them off for you?

Well, I was referring to long-term chewers... you know, where the nails are bitten back so far they are only half normal size, and sort of shrink back into the flesh of the finger? *shudders*


What if the halitosis is due a set of hyper-retentive tonsils?

I'd still be disgusted by the smell, sorry.

People who don't think for themselves, or actually know anything about the things they claim to believe in-yet fervently try to convert everyone they meet into a follower of what they percieve to be their pet cause. Examples include most of your political (on the left) and religious (on the right) activists.

Civil Libertarians (not "Party" Libertarians, people who actually know what Civil Liberties are) are okay.

Fashion Slaves. Getting a Tat is not nonconformity, it's getting a tattoo, housewives, bored executives, and trendy idiots get tattoos. If it doesn't have a good story attached, it's meaningless and uninteresting. Same for the "Edgy" fashions.

Ditto for Piercings/body jewelery.

Cellphonitis. This disease makes any sort of meaningful conversation impossible. Put the fucking phone away and look at the person you're talking to, your BFF can fucking wait for you to return their text message detailing how awsum it is that they can twitter. Civilization will NOT DIE if you put the electronic leash on "Off" and talk to the people you're actually with.

Valium, Prozac, Xanax, mood-elevation by prescription. Selfish bastard that I am, I prefer to deal with people who are actually THERE and who aren't taking a drug to try and stay happy all the fucking time. Find a twenty-something (or older) that hasn't contemplated suicide, you're likely looking at either a very rare (and deeply sheltered) individual, or someone who's a ward of the state due to a mental handicap. Reality is not "Paranoia", Happiness is NOT mandatory.

If you do not read, you are not interesting. "Reading" does not mean "Myspace" or Txt-tok, or chatrooms. "Reading" means "Reading BOOKS." A book is a device made (most often) of paper, it has few to no illustrations, isn't sequential art, and isn't a magazine. BOOKS are assembled with one edge of the stack of paper somehow fastened together, there are these little numbers on the corners (or tops, or bottoms) of the pieces of paper (they're called "Pages") that the book is made from. A book contains ideas, stories, thoughts, and concepts that are processed in that portion of the brain used for handling abstractions and often imagination. Non-Thinkers are put off by them, and will usually go play a video game or watch their nightly televised pap.

Cannibals.

You keep that ketchup away from my groin, damnit.

Awww..... :(

I wasn't gonna eat it, I was just gonna decorate it. :)

I seriously hate loud mouthed people and pretentious guys.

I'm a very patient person and if I see certain traits that are turn-ons: a sense of humor, quick wit, naughty mind and a physical attraction(I can't define this really, I'm not attracted to all pretty girls and I'm occasionally attracted to the not-so-pretty girls. I think it's a posture thing), I have confidence in my ability to teach by example or learn to tolerate on the rest.

On the other hand, there are a few things I won't bother with: Racism, deliberate ignorance, the rhetoric-spewers. These are all actually very similar. These are people who refuse to be challenged on their beliefs and to stand up to those challenges with calm reasonable factual debate. Maybe it's the scientist streak in me, but I love being exposed to new information that makes me take the time to rethink my positions and I have little time socially for those that don't.

Of course this is all moot now as I'm hitched to a woman with a gun. :)

People who don't think for themselves, or actually know anything about the things they claim to believe in-yet fervently try to convert everyone they meet into a follower of what they percieve to be their pet cause. Examples include most of your political (on the left) and religious (on the right) activists.

Civil Libertarians (not "Party" Libertarians, people who actually know what Civil Liberties are) are okay.

Fashion Slaves. Getting a Tat is not nonconformity, it's getting a tattoo, housewives, bored executives, and trendy idiots get tattoos. If it doesn't have a good story attached, it's meaningless and uninteresting. Same for the "Edgy" fashions.

Ditto for Piercings/body jewelery.

Cellphonitis. This disease makes any sort of meaningful conversation impossible. Put the fucking phone away and look at the person you're talking to, your BFF can fucking wait for you to return their text message detailing how awsum it is that they can twitter. Civilization will NOT DIE if you put the electronic leash on "Off" and talk to the people you're actually with.

Valium, Prozac, Xanax, mood-elevation by prescription. Selfish bastard that I am, I prefer to deal with people who are actually THERE and who aren't taking a drug to try and stay happy all the fucking time. Find a twenty-something (or older) that hasn't contemplated suicide, you're likely looking at either a very rare (and deeply sheltered) individual, or someone who's a ward of the state due to a mental handicap. Reality is not "Paranoia", Happiness is NOT mandatory.

If you do not read, you are not interesting. "Reading" does not mean "Myspace" or Txt-tok, or chatrooms. "Reading" means "Reading BOOKS." A book is a device made (most often) of paper, it has few to no illustrations, isn't sequential art, and isn't a magazine. BOOKS are assembled with one edge of the stack of paper somehow fastened together, there are these little numbers on the corners (or tops, or bottoms) of the pieces of paper (they're called "Pages") that the book is made from. A book contains ideas, stories, thoughts, and concepts that are processed in that portion of the brain used for handling abstractions and often imagination. Non-Thinkers are put off by them, and will usually go play a video game or watch their nightly televised pap.

Marry me?

Going on and on about their ex.

Long fingernails...they are CREEPY! It doesn't matter if they are natural or artificially extended.

A pet dislike is people who chew with their mouths open. (i'm too polite to tell them to shut up!)
that and people who constantly complain, for some reason i only like it when i complain, no one likes a whinger.

After much thought I can really only come up with smelly breath. brush your teeth for gods sake.

Mocking my (spectacular) taste in music.

Mocking my (spectacular) taste in music.

Spectacularly bad?:D

*big snip*
Valium, Prozac, Xanax, mood-elevation by prescription. Selfish bastard that I am, I prefer to deal with people who are actually THERE and who aren't taking a drug to try and stay happy all the fucking time. Find a twenty-something (or older) that hasn't contemplated suicide, you're likely looking at either a very rare (and deeply sheltered) individual, or someone who's a ward of the state due to a mental handicap. Reality is not "Paranoia", Happiness is NOT mandatory.
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you're painting with a wide brush there.
and what's that about suicidal people i couldn't make that out?
you're making fun of mentally disabled people as well?
i pity you.

People who don't think for themselves, or actually know anything about the things they claim to believe in-yet fervently try to convert everyone they meet into a follower of what they percieve to be their pet cause. Examples include most of your political (on the left) and religious (on the right) activists.

Civil Libertarians (not "Party" Libertarians, people who actually know what Civil Liberties are) are okay.

Fashion Slaves. Getting a Tat is not nonconformity, it's getting a tattoo, housewives, bored executives, and trendy idiots get tattoos. If it doesn't have a good story attached, it's meaningless and uninteresting. Same for the "Edgy" fashions.

Ditto for Piercings/body jewelery.

Cellphonitis. This disease makes any sort of meaningful conversation impossible. Put the fucking phone away and look at the person you're talking to, your BFF can fucking wait for you to return their text message detailing how awsum it is that they can twitter. Civilization will NOT DIE if you put the electronic leash on "Off" and talk to the people you're actually with.

Valium, Prozac, Xanax, mood-elevation by prescription. Selfish bastard that I am, I prefer to deal with people who are actually THERE and who aren't taking a drug to try and stay happy all the fucking time. Find a twenty-something (or older) that hasn't contemplated suicide, you're likely looking at either a very rare (and deeply sheltered) individual, or someone who's a ward of the state due to a mental handicap. Reality is not "Paranoia", Happiness is NOT mandatory.

If you do not read, you are not interesting. "Reading" does not mean "Myspace" or Txt-tok, or chatrooms. "Reading" means "Reading BOOKS." A book is a device made (most often) of paper, it has few to no illustrations, isn't sequential art, and isn't a magazine. BOOKS are assembled with one edge of the stack of paper somehow fastened together, there are these little numbers on the corners (or tops, or bottoms) of the pieces of paper (they're called "Pages") that the book is made from. A book contains ideas, stories, thoughts, and concepts that are processed in that portion of the brain used for handling abstractions and often imagination. Non-Thinkers are put off by them, and will usually go play a video game or watch their nightly televised pap.

Well put. I'd ask you to marry me, but Delator already beat me to it.

you're painting with a wide brush there.
and what's that about suicidal people i couldn't make that out?
you're making fun of mentally disabled people as well?
i pity you.

Wow, were...were you actually trying to miss the point? She's talking about overprescribed and overmedicated people who think one day of not being perked up by Katie Couric means that they're clinically depressed. Happiness is not mandatory means that if you're not ebullient EVERY day, it's perfectly fine. Her point was that insisting on being happy all the time is a far more ominous sign of mental instability than someone who *gasp* might let reality weight them down from time to time.

Hell no, she wasn't making fun of the disabled. What's wrong with you? Read it again, this time with your mind in a forward gear. If you can't manage that, then you should conserve your pity for use on yourself.

I was thinking about it after, and observed how interesting it was that something really minor in a persons behaviour can completely change your view of them.
So, I pose the question, what is an instant turn off to you in a member of your desired sex??

1. Having a need to discuss EVERYTHING.
a) ...Even if asked not to.
b) ...Instead of doing it. I don't want to be domineering, but it should be common sense that if I'm asking you to get over here quickly, it does NOT mean that I'm asking you psychoanalyze why do I want you to get over here, discuss how quickly, and make a couple jokes about coming.
If you ask me to do something (that I have no particular objection to doing), I'll do it, the fact that you're asking is a reason enough. And you should do the same.


2. Severe stupidity and related issues.
No explanation needed, it's a turnoff for most people here. Mind you, it's not that I would only date some genius. It's stupidity below the acceptable level, which manifests itself.


3. Playing any MMORPG, particularly if it's Nationstates.
I am not kidding or being sarcastic. Just because I do something doesn't mean I want my girlfriend to do the same. Playing a MMO is the sign that something's wrong with your life, and it should be alleviated by having someone without such problem near you, not creating a losers' club of two.
Don't mind geekdom overall, just MMO players.

This wasn't always a turnoff to me - it became after I admitted to my significant other that I do use the internet and how exactly do I use it (wish I said "Just for porn" back then). Reaping the consequences. How do I explain that discussing how to troll Nationstates is not what I want to do the most when we're together?

Stupidity
Arrogance
Chauvinism
A complete absence of humour about oneself
Use of hard drugs
Racism
Homophobia
Extreme religiousity
Being unwilling to learn

There's probably more.

If you do not read, you are not interesting. "Reading" does not mean "Myspace" or Txt-tok, or chatrooms. "Reading" means "Reading BOOKS." A book is a device made (most often) of paper, it has few to no illustrations, isn't sequential art, and isn't a magazine. BOOKS are assembled with one edge of the stack of paper somehow fastened together, there are these little numbers on the corners (or tops, or bottoms) of the pieces of paper (they're called "Pages") that the book is made from. A book contains ideas, stories, thoughts, and concepts that are processed in that portion of the brain used for handling abstractions and often imagination. Non-Thinkers are put off by them, and will usually go play a video game or watch their nightly televised pap.

What about journal articles? Some of us only have time to read ApJ.

What about journal articles? Some of us only have time to read ApJ.

I think Sudova is particularly against instant messaging services. That, indeed, is not reading.

Reading online articles, I don't think, would count as a turn-off for Sudova. But I could be mistaken.

*snip*

3. Playing any MMORPG, particularly if it's Nationstates.

I am not kidding or being sarcastic. Just because I do something doesn't mean I want my girlfriend to do the same. Playing a MMO is the sign that something's wrong with your life, and it should be alleviated by having someone without such problem near you, not creating a losers' club of two.

Don't mind geekdom overall, just MMO players.

Generalize much? Despite the widely-accepted caricature, many people play MMORPG and have perfectly functional, responsible, practical lives. It's called moderation. WoW came with my new computer back in 2005. I didn't set it up until I had free time in 2006. I got a month free and extended it by three more. I played two hours max at one sitting and got on with my day. After the last month, school was ramping up, so I let it lapse.

I got it back for a month the following summer and realized that I was fishing -- FISHING -- for potion components in real time on a fucking computer. I let it lapse again and threw the whole mess away. I understand why you feel the way you do, but a sweeping generalization says more about you than it does about any MMORPG player.

This wasn't always a turnoff to me - it became after I admitted to my significant other that I do use the internet and how exactly do I use it (wish I said "Just for porn" back then). Reaping the consequences. How do I explain that discussing how to troll Nationstates is not what I want to do the most when we're together?

You shouldn't have to. That explanation makes sense by itself. NSG can be a bit of work if you're into it, and most people, unless they love their jobs or they're hip deep in them 24/7 (like a few Microsofties I know -- The Company can become your life), don't like to discuss work when they're not doing it. Sounds rational to me.

What about journal articles? Some of us only have time to read ApJ.

Dakini, I don't think anyone here who's seen you post more than once would impugn your literacy. I'm certain ApJ wouldn't rankle Sudova, but I'll let her speak for herself.

Selfishness/self-centeredness.
Monopolizing the conversation.
Expecting me to be clairvoyant.
Melodrama.
Giving ultimatums.

She's talking about overprescribed and overmedicated people who think one day of not being perked up by Katie Couric means that they're clinically depressed. Happiness is not mandatory means that if you're not ebullient EVERY day, it's perfectly fine. Her point was that insisting on being happy all the time is a far more ominous sign of mental instability than someone who *gasp* might let reality weight them down from time to time.This sounds like a strawman to me - I mean, the existence of this type of person, that is.

Selfishness/self-centeredness.
Monopolizing the conversation.
Expecting me to be clairvoyant.
Melodrama.

This sounds like a strawman to me - I mean, the existence of this type of person, that is.

A) I was clarifying Sudova's post, and I might have misinterpreted it. Ask her.

B) I know at least a dozen people like this. If they're made of straw, I've not seen any evidence of it.

BTW, good to see you, JB.

A) I was clarifying Sudova's post, and I might have misinterpreted it. Ask her.Ah, I see.

B) I know at least a dozen people like this. If they're made of straw, I've not seen any evidence of it.Well, I suppose I have no reason to doubt you, even if I've never seen it myself.

BTW, good to see you, JB.Good to see you, too. We miss you on UMP.

Ah, I see.

Well, I suppose I have no reason to doubt you, even if I've never seen it myself.

Good to see you, too. We miss you on UMP.

You're lucky, then. I seem to attract them, as though God/Buddha/Krishna/FSM/Karma/Nothing knows I have an aversion and I'm supposed to be "working on it".

I logged back in to UMP and bookmarked it. That was the problem. Out of sight, out of mind. I'll work on fixing that, too.

I was a work today, and was observing some rather attractive early 20s women from the other side of the pool. I thought to myself, wow, they look pretty hot. So, after building the courage to walk over there and have a chat (I'm a rather shy guy, so I very rarely do this unless they look nice, approachable and friendly) I walk around.

I get around there, and What should happen but:
- They are smoking
- They have young kids (teen mothers?)
- They are smoking around their young kids!
- They are swearing
- They are irresponsible parents - their little demon spawn are running around destroying things
- They are leaving their rubbish around
- tattoos (not small meaningful ones - big ones that just look terrible)

So, after all that pep-talking myself up, I shrank away (after telling them to pick up their damn cigarette butts and put them in the bin)

I was thinking about it after, and observed how interesting it was that something really minor in a persons behaviour can completely change your view of them. I went back to the other side of the pool, and could not work out how I had ever found them attractive in the first place.

So, I pose the question, what is an instant turn off to you in a member of your desired sex??
Myself, in order of dislike: (As a heterosexual male)
1. Smoking around kids or other people
2. Rude to other people (especially people like retail workers, and people who are providing a service to them).
3. swearing (especially around children - theirs or other peoples)
4. irresponsible parenting (I try to avoid single parents, but it is not an instant disqualification)
5. Littering (especially cigarette buts - you would not believe the number of times I have nearly had my head bashed in for asking some dickhead to pick up their damn butt)

So, what would yours be?

i'd pretty much go with that list...

1. rudeness
2. arrogance
3. bad teeth
4. smoking (except for marijuana... cos i'll want some :P)
5. bad breath
6. unkindness
7. pretentiousness (which is highly, highly subjective... and i'm always right)

Arrogant/Ignorant people
Self-Centeredness
Drinking more often than necessary and more than necessary.
Poor Hygienic practices (especially teeth)
Smokers (Kissing them is like swallowing a bucket of tar!)
Children (More of a minor turn off but I am not ready to be a parent, surrogate or otherwise)
Stupidity
Lack of Common Sense
Lack of Common Morals
Lack of a Sense of Humor
Argumentativeness
Irresponsibility
Cut and paste personalities (You know, people who act just like everyone else does?)
Drug Usage
Dark Secrets (Like secret drug usage)

Damn I have a lot of them, does that make me shallow?

Valium, Prozac, Xanax, mood-elevation by prescription. Selfish bastard that I am, I prefer to deal with people who are actually THERE and who aren't taking a drug to try and stay happy all the fucking time. Find a twenty-something (or older) that hasn't contemplated suicide, you're likely looking at either a very rare (and deeply sheltered) individual, or someone who's a ward of the state due to a mental handicap. Reality is not "Paranoia", Happiness is NOT mandatory.

....um, what? I've been on all of those drugs at some point in my life, because I have a medical condition which necessitates them. Do you also get turned off by diabetics who dare to take insulin?

As for me: stupidity and willful ignorance are the Big Two. No matter how charming someone is otherwise, as soon as they indicate that they don't like learning, they lose about a million points in my book.

Wow, there are certainly some.....special people here.

Ummm Stupidity, highpitched voice, their laugh (if its a bd one), rlly fat.

Turn offs: stupidity, being fat (even slightly), ginger hair and vegetarianism. Also, being a whiny little idiot.

Turn ons: intelligence, being skinny, dark hair and eating lots of meat. Also, smoking.

Massive turn ons: recognising the irrelevancy of morality, dislike of children, artistic/musical talent.

Hypocrisy.

I'd want to add "Those who talk way too damn much" to my list...

Well, what really turns me off someone is if they get angry at people pointing out what they did wrong, sort of like the "cig.-butt-picking-up-nearly-got-head-bashed-in" example in the OP.

Case in point, a girl I used to consider just wouldn't shut up/do her work (in school, I'm not saying women should be subservient). That just... ugh.

Well put. I'd ask you to marry me, but Delator already beat me to it.
Wow, were...were you actually trying to miss the point? She's talking about overprescribed and overmedicated people who think one day of not being perked up by Katie Couric means that they're clinically depressed. Happiness is not mandatory means that if you're not ebullient EVERY day, it's perfectly fine. Her point was that insisting on being happy all the time is a far more ominous sign of mental instability than someone who *gasp* might let reality weight them down from time to time.

Hell no, she wasn't making fun of the disabled. What's wrong with you? Read it again, this time with your mind in a forward gear. If you can't manage that, then you should conserve your pity for use on yourself.

er no i wasn't trying to miss the point, it was a pretty insulting post actually, and it also has nothing to do with you.

No signs of mental instability are far harder to find than a simple analysis of being happy or sad, remember it's a very subjective thing, and mental illness will be different for different people.

And i didn't appreciate your snide comments about forward gear either.
Please don't try to argue for someone else, what you said is pretty close to bullying and i will report you if you try it again.

So, what would yours be?

Not being rich.

Turn offs
-Homophobia
-treating women like meat
-those who think their mild racism is OK (and extreme racists of course)

-treating women like meat

Cannibalism is hot.

I was a work today, and was observing some rather attractive early 20s women from the other side of the pool. I thought to myself, wow, they look pretty hot. So, after building the courage to walk over there and have a chat (I'm a rather shy guy, so I very rarely do this unless they look nice, approachable and friendly) I walk around.

I get around there, and What should happen but:
- They are smoking
- They have young kids (teen mothers?)
- They are smoking around their young kids!
- They are swearing
- They are irresponsible parents - their little demon spawn are running around destroying things
- They are leaving their rubbish around
- tattoos (not small meaningful ones - big ones that just look terrible)

So, after all that pep-talking myself up, I shrank away (after telling them to pick up their damn cigarette butts and put them in the bin)

I was thinking about it after, and observed how interesting it was that something really minor in a persons behaviour can completely change your view of them. I went back to the other side of the pool, and could not work out how I had ever found them attractive in the first place.

So, I pose the question, what is an instant turn off to you in a member of your desired sex??
Myself, in order of dislike: (As a heterosexual male)
1. Smoking around kids or other people
2. Rude to other people (especially people like retail workers, and people who are providing a service to them).
3. swearing (especially around children - theirs or other peoples)
4. irresponsible parenting (I try to avoid single parents, but it is not an instant disqualification)
5. Littering (especially cigarette buts - you would not believe the number of times I have nearly had my head bashed in for asking some dickhead to pick up their damn butt)

So, what would yours be?

Bitchiness is number one, definitely. After that, drooling over boy bands and talking about fashion trends. (I think those two are on the same level) Religious extremism, big one.

Smoking, caked on make up, fake tans, party girls, ignorance, apathy, and too provocative dressing.

Generalize much? Despite the widely-accepted caricature, many people play MMORPG and have perfectly functional, responsible, practical lives. It's called moderation.
Well, I have yet to meet one IRL... As for myself, I even know exactly what is wrong with my life.

It's not about moderation or addiction, it's about replacing something one lacks IRL. Normal people don't play MMOs. Normal people know how type, start IE, send emails, use Google, watch porn, and just that. If you derive pleasure from using a computer (other than for porn), you're a geek, that's a deviation from the norm already.


I got it back for a month the following summer and realized that I was fishing -- FISHING -- for potion components in real time on a fucking computer. I let it lapse again and threw the whole mess away. I understand why you feel the way you do, but a sweeping generalization says more about you than it does about any MMORPG player.
Actually, I don't even know what WoW looks like, the only "proper" MMORPG I've ever played is Anarchy Online, and even then I was in just for a week or so. And the reason I stayed in NS for much longer is because I could play it at work without rising any suspicion, which I happily did.

That still doesn't make it right. Normal people are either looking at porn pics, with one eye open to quickly close it when anyone comes near, or chatting with their colleagues about weather and junk news over MSN.


You shouldn't have to. That explanation makes sense by itself. NSG can be a bit of work if you're into it, and most people, unless they love their jobs or they're hip deep in them 24/7 (like a few Microsofties I know -- The Company can become your life), don't like to discuss work when they're not doing it. Sounds rational to me.
No, it's not that... I have a strict rule to only play NS when I get fun in the process, post when I like and what I like.
It's rather that I feel like I've lost a bit of privacy, which is essential to a game. Whether I pretend to be a fantasy knight or a national leader, I kinda want it to be my private fantasy. Like you don't show your porn mags to your mom, your wife, and her mom. It's not that you expect them to think you don't have any, it's just... you know. I feel like I've lost that bit of privacy and not having my actions judged other than IC that's important for the game.

Although there's an upside too. It allowed me to stay in the game when I was serving at sea and the only reliable media was email. But ultimately even that did more harm than good.

There are a lot. Some are deal breakers, some aren't.

Deal-breakers:
Smoking cigarettes. Can't stand it. Won't date someone who does it.
Stupidity. The ability carry on a conversation is absolutely necessary.
Economic libertarianism, religious conservatism, etc. I don't expect someone to agree with me on everything, but such fundamental differences just won't work.
Hatred of the music I like. Music is very important to me.
Bad breath. Not going to kiss anyone whose breath I find gross
Furries. No. Just no.

There might be more, not sure.

Minor turn-offs:
Bleached hair
blondeness
Going to Stanford or USC
Christian
Muslim
Jewish
Shaved pubes
Bad aesthetic taste.

If she's a liberal. - it's over before it even began.

Smokers' voices on almost any female usually is a turnoff. As is smelling like cigarette smoke. Well, that, trackmarks, methmouth .... i think you get the drift.
Also, pathetically short attention spans.

I'm sorry...what was that?


I dislike people who are racist, willfully ignorant, and pull the "I'm so stupid, isn't that cute?" thing. Druggies are a turn off as well.

Sad trails.

The first thing that would turn me off to a woman is if she had a penis.

* Celebrity gossip. If you know/care who Winona Ryder is dating, we're from two different worlds.

* TV/movie/book series fandom. Music fandom is cool...unless it's Nickelback.

* Suburban apathy

* Celebrity gossip. If you know/care who Winona Ryder is dating, we're from two different worlds.
I'd agree, but with the corollary that the only thing worse than vanilla Celebrity gossip is Royalty gossip.
Basically, if you don't laugh (or at least manage a little sneer) when you hear "Candle in the Wind 1997," you're not the sort of person I could spend time with.
* Suburban apathy
Is this apathy about sport utility vehicles, or apathy within sport utility vehicles, or apathy associated with living outside the city, or apathy . . .
You know what, fuck it. I don't really care that much.

I'd agree, but with the corollary that the only thing worse than vanilla Celebrity gossip is Royalty gossip.
Basically, if you don't laugh (or at least manage a little sneer) when you hear "Candle in the Wind 1997," you're not the sort of person I could spend time with.


Oi. Amen to that.

Normal people don't play MMOs. Normal people know how type, start IE, send emails, use Google, watch porn, and just that. If you derive pleasure from using a computer (other than for porn), you're a geek, that's a deviation from the norm already.

Normal people are either looking at porn pics, with one eye open to quickly close it when anyone comes near, or chatting with their colleagues about weather and junk news over MSN.


"Normal" people are friggin' boring. Good thing I don't date them.

CHEWING WITH YOUR MOUTH OPEN.

That is all that I can think of right now.
Oh wow I hate this soooooo much. How hard is it to #$^#$'ing chew properly and not make any noise! God this drives me up the wall.

What really turns me off is a woman with a horrible cackleish laugh. A woman needs a good laugh for me to like her, because i tend on making her laugh a lot.





....when i eventually show her my tiny penis.

Instant turn-offs... there are so many...

Behavioral/social:

- Neocon/hardcore libertarian/racist/xenophobic/other bigoted views. Basically, if you hold views that I do not respect, then I don't want to date you. The minute you express them, the date's over.

- Generally being an asshole -- bad manners (yes, including the damned phone); bullying innocent strangers, especially if they can't fight back, like waiters, shop clerks, etc.; being a pretentious show-off about anything (how much money you've got, how expensive your education was, how refined your tastes are, etc).

- Loud, obnoxious drunks. Also, druggies.

- People who brag about their own ignorance, and how they don't read, and act like things aren't worth knowing, and say monumentally stupid shit like "How am I supposed to know about WW2? I wasn't even alive then!"

- Guys who make it pretty clear that the only reason they're talking to me is because they'd like to fuck me, and the sooner the better so they can get on to more interesting things, so could I please stop eating my dinner and bend over already?

- A criminal record.

Physical:

- Bad hygiene. I'll forgive the occasional bout of coffee breath or a deodorant that gave out at the end of a long day, but come on people, seriously, take care of yourselves.

- A criminal record.
What if the crime is illegal filesharing? Or sodomy (M-F)? Or libel against George Dubya Bush?

What if the crime is illegal filesharing? Or sodomy (M-F)? Or libel against George Dubya Bush?


has anyone ever gotten arrested for filesharing?

if so then that would turn me off.

What if the crime is illegal filesharing? Or sodomy (M-F)? Or libel against George Dubya Bush?
The law is the law, Jean Valjean.

I was thinking of a criminal record along the lines gang membership, violence, robbery, drug dealing, domestic abuse, etc.

People who get a criminal record for any of the things you listed are obviously morons, and I don't date morons.

Another instant turn-off: People who say dumbass stuff that a person would not say if they spent 15 seconds thinking before they either opened their mouths or hit "submit."

The law is the law, Jean Valjean.
What about being arrested for protesting against Bush outside a "First amendment zone"?

Throwing a shoe at G.W.Bush?

Shooting the person using this account right now?

What about being arrested for protesting against Bush outside a "First amendment zone"?

Throwing a shoe at G.W.Bush?

Shooting the person using this account right now?
Instant turn-offs:

- Being Vault 10.

- Asking "what if" questions over and over after the point has already been explained, like a toddler asking "why" all day long.

- People who only think they are witty (see first item).

Instant turn-offs:

- Being Vault 10.

- Asking "what if" questions over and over after the point has already been explained, like a toddler asking "why" all day long.



LMAO!

/thread

- Being Vault 10.
You're a good, useful troll, have to give you that.

You're a good, useful troll, have to give you that.
Another turn-off: Using words incorrectly.

I'm not a troll. If I were a troll, I'd be bitching at you before you ever said anything to me. That is not the case. I actually avoid talking to you as much as I can. I think I've initiated conversations with you fewer than 5 times, ever. I usually only talk to you if you post something addressing me directly, and I only get angry at you when you start doing things like this.

EDIT: But seriously, if it will make you feel better, I'll add you to the ignore list so that, even when you address me directly, I won't respond. ...There, done.

I'm not a troll. If I were a troll [...]
Tsss. Be quiet, you'll blow your cover. Don't let them know we're working together. Better go troll yourself some neocons now.

I can't stand it this kinda shit. It ruins a thread.

I can't stand it this kinda shit. It ruins a thread.
Is he still posting to me? He's talking to himself. I'm sure he'll tire of it soon. I apologize for getting involved with him in the first place.

Is he still posting to me? He's talking to himself. I'm sure he'll tire of it soon. I apologize for getting involved with him in the first place.

It's not you I'm angry at. There is no need for you to apologize for anything.

Is he still posting to me? He's talking to himself. I'm sure he'll tire of it soon. I apologize for getting involved with him in the first place.
Hasn't Timecop briefed you on the Ignorecard? Be careful with pretending to use functionality a board doesn't have, it works best when you tone it down to look genuine. Veebull only hides the content.

Actually, other than infidelity, I have no deal-breakers. I find anything can be overlooked for the right person, other than infidelity. I don't like certain aspects of people-allowing your children to run wild indicates a lack of personal discipline, but those women I have dated who've given their children full-reign, while failed relationships with the women, the children and I have continued contact-similarily, my own pet peeves have found much wrong with my prospective life-mates, but our relations were only negated by the lack of fidelity.
Despair, NS-while I'm an empty-nester, I am raising SO many of your kids...

It's not you I'm angry at. There is no need for you to apologize for anything.
That's nice of you to say, but it is my fault for engaging him. So I'm sorry for bringing down the mood for everyone.

That's nice of you to say, but it is my fault for engaging him. So I'm sorry for bringing down the mood for everyone.

It's cool. You didn't bring me down.

It's cool. You didn't bring me down.
Yay! :D

Yay! :D

As far as I am concerned you were right in all you were saying.

As far as I am concerned you were right in all you were saying.
Well, I guess I'd file what V10 did under "bad manners" on my original turn-offs list because, after the first question/answer exchange, it was just about needling the person over some trivial little thing and demanding all their attention for no reason. To me, that's kind of passive-aggressive.

Hey, there's another big turn-off: Passive-aggressive behaviors. You know, those things people do to kind of get in other people's faces but without actually saying anything belligerent.

The law is the law, Jean Valjean.

I was thinking of a criminal record along the lines gang membership, violence, robbery, drug dealing, domestic abuse, etc.

People who get a criminal record for any of the things you listed are obviously morons, and I don't date morons.

Another instant turn-off: People who say dumbass stuff that a person would not say if they spent 15 seconds thinking before they either opened their mouths or hit "submit."

What if it's for something that goes with a hilarious story that happened long ago?

I mean, things like murder, rape, theft, gang crimes, dealing meth, those are all horrible. But people often do crazy things when they're young that they'll be the first to admit were stupid later.

I was serious when i asked if my long ass list made me seem shallow.

Hypocrisy.

I god yes, I don't like Hypocrisy...

Turn offs
-treating women like meat


I enjoy eating women. Or are those different?

- Guys who make it pretty clear that the only reason they're talking to me is because they'd like to fuck me, and the sooner the better so they can get on to more interesting things, so could I please stop eating my dinner and bend over already?


I only want you so I can pick your brain, your thoughts are sexy :D

EDIT: I partially kid.

As for me: stupidity and willful ignorance are the Big Two. No matter how charming someone is otherwise, as soon as they indicate that they don't like learning, they lose about a million points in my book.

Isn't willful ignorance covered by stupidity? I define stupidity with the formula S=I+A (stupidity = ignorance + apathy).

er no i wasn't trying to miss the point, it was a pretty insulting post actually, and it also has nothing to do with you.

Sure it does. Public forum. And no, the post wasn't insulting. I explained why it wasn't, and you've chosen to take offense where none was given. That's your problem, not Sudova's (or whoever posted it...'s been a while and I don't feel like back-paging).

No signs of mental instability are far harder to find than a simple analysis of being happy or sad, remember it's a very subjective thing, and mental illness will be different for different people.

Uh...which is why Sudova was so general in her post. She's talking about a specific kind of person who is obsessed with being happy, not people who are genuinely ill. Methinks you making that leap qualifies you for the read-too-much-into-it olympic games. Well done!

And i didn't appreciate your snide comments about forward gear either.
Please don't try to argue for someone else, what you said is pretty close to bullying and i will report you if you try it again.

Bullying? Holy fingers, you are a thin-skinned one, aren't you? Tell you what, you go ahead and post everything you think is offensive. Once the server reboots after the crash, we'll see what the Mods say, okay? Seriously, pal, relax. You'll live longer.

Well, I have yet to meet one IRL... As for myself, I even know exactly what is wrong with my life.

Too judgmental? If that's not part of what you know, go ahead and add it. Why? The following:

It's not about moderation or addiction, it's about replacing something one lacks IRL. Normal people don't play MMOs. Normal people know how type, start IE, send emails, use Google, watch porn, and just that. If you derive pleasure from using a computer (other than for porn), you're a geek, that's a deviation from the norm already.

So you are the Supreme Arbiter of What Is Normal? I've never bben happier to be weird. Then again, your definition is so narrow, I doubt many fit it anyway. By the way, "normal people know how type"? Priceless.

Let me get this straight: you're normal if and only if you don't use your computer for games, word processing, databases, publishing, Web site creation, or anything EXCEPT surfing, Googling, email and porn. That's pretty embarrassing coming from someone with your post count. What if computers are your job, can you derive pleasure from work, or is that a sin in Vault 10 World, too?

That post makes me wonder if this is just some crass, blinkered online persona that you trot out in order to bleed off your faux-alpha-male levels of testosterone.

Actually, I don't even know what WoW looks like, the only "proper" MMORPG I've ever played is Anarchy Online, and even then I was in just for a week or so. And the reason I stayed in NS for much longer is because I could play it at work without rising any suspicion, which I happily did.

Good for you! Don't tell the police in Vault 10 World, though. Unless the creator of said World is above the law.

That still doesn't make it right. Normal people are either looking at porn pics, with one eye open to quickly close it when anyone comes near, or chatting with their colleagues about weather and junk news over MSN.

Normal is a cycle on a washing machine, sir. You keep using that word as though it actually means something.

No, it's not that... I have a strict rule to only play NS when I get fun in the process, post when I like and what I like.

Which, by your own definition, means you derive pleasure from a computer. You're not normal, yet you judge others for the same "offense". Put your analyst on danger money.

It's rather that I feel like I've lost a bit of privacy, which is essential to a game. Whether I pretend to be a fantasy knight or a national leader, I kinda want it to be my private fantasy. Like you don't show your porn mags to your mom, your wife, and her mom. It's not that you expect them to think you don't have any, it's just... you know. I feel like I've lost that bit of privacy and not having my actions judged other than IC that's important for the game.

See now, had you just replied with THAT alone, you'd have cut a much more reasonable figure. That makes sense and explains your Turn Off far better than all the "normal" bullshit you foisted on us earlier.

Although there's an upside too. It allowed me to stay in the game when I was serving at sea and the only reliable media was email. But ultimately even that did more harm than good.

Aha. I thought the gentleman protested too much, and it seems I was right. You detest now what you became then. Addicted to the 'Net were you? It doesn't make you a bad person. It's not a character flaw. WE LOVE YOU, DAMMIT! Now, unclench and let everyone else who knows where the "off" button is to enjoy themselves.

That's nice of you to say, but it is my fault for engaging him. So I'm sorry for bringing down the mood for everyone.

You can't bring me down. Only Brrrruce can, and I keep TELLING him not to.

glamour, austentation, high heels, thoughlessness, and especially this pretention, wherever it came from, that thoughtlessness is supposed to be somehow 'cute'. (its just as retarded with guys pull that crap too. its the same ego problem, no matter what anyone has between their legs)

glamour, austentation, high heels, thoughlessness, and especially this pretention, wherever it came from, that thoughtlessness is supposed to be somehow 'cute'.

Is that when someone thinks they're Jane?

So you are the Supreme Arbiter of What Is Normal? I've never bben happier to be weird. Then again, your definition is so narrow, I doubt many fit it anyway. By the way, "normal people know how type"? Priceless.
Quite many. No, I'm not the arbiter, it rather comes from the observations of what normal people without any discernible hobbies do with their computers. I'm looking from outside the normality fence.


Let me get this straight: you're normal if and only if you don't use your computer for games, word processing, databases, publishing, Web site creation, or anything EXCEPT surfing, Googling, email and porn.
Actually, it makes two "normal" activities. The first two are only for the fourth anyway.

I wouldn't say the "don't" list is an instant sign of abnormality. However, it's something normal people do for work, not for pleasure, except for games, but then normal person's computer games are Space Pinball or Solitaire, not Planescape:Torment or VGA Planets.


What if computers are your job, can you derive pleasure from work,
If computers are your job, you're a geek. Not just in the geeks' own "soft" definition, but straight and simple, when people forget your name, they'll refer to you as "The geek". As in "Doesn't boot? Tried reset, still doesn't? I'll call the geek."


That post makes me wonder if this is just some crass, blinkered online persona
You don't get it. It's not me who fits this definition. It's what, to my observations, truly normal people do with computers, and what they perceive as signs of geekdom or anything unusual.


Good for you! Don't tell the police in Vault 10 World, though.
Too late, they know. I've never been seen as normal, or been normal, although generally I blend in enough to do well in the career. Plus, I manage to downplay most of my abnormalities as workaholism, which leads onlookers to believe I'm working when really I'm posting on some forum.


Which, by your own definition, means you derive pleasure from a computer. You're not normal, yet you judge others for the same "offense".
No, no, I'm not judging... just noting. It's better to know what your sickness are. What separates me from the normal world. Gas and copper. Unhealthy obsession with technology.


Aha. I thought the gentleman protested too much, and it seems I was right. You detest now what you became then. Addicted to the 'Net were you? It doesn't make you a bad person. It's not a character flaw.
Somewhat. Like all addicts, I don't feel addicted, rather that "I use the net for certain purposes". No, it actually made me a better person IRL - as I vented any frustration and aggression into the net instead. But it's still an abnormality.

What about being arrested for protesting against Bush outside a "First amendment zone"?

Throwing a shoe at G.W.Bush?

Shooting the person using this account right now?
What if it's for something that goes with a hilarious story that happened long ago?

I mean, things like murder, rape, theft, gang crimes, dealing meth, those are all horrible. But people often do crazy things when they're young that they'll be the first to admit were stupid later.
I think the two of you are missing the most important thing here, which is: Why the fuck would you tell the woman/man you were dating about your criminal record?
That means you're either (A) absurdly proud of it, and expect her to be proud of it too, or (B) at least 100 different kinds of stupid, or (C) Have no control over the diarrhea that spills from your mouth.
I'd say any one of those would be a pretty big turn-off for most people.

Chav accents.

I think the two of you are missing the most important thing here, which is: Why the fuck would you tell the woman/man you were dating about your criminal record?
That means you're either (A) absurdly proud of it, and expect her to be proud of it too,
If I had been arrested and tried for throwing a shoe at G.W.Bush (and managed to get out of Guantanamo alive), I would at the very least print a photo of the incident on my T-shirt.

Judgmental.

I think the two of you are missing the most important thing here, which is: Why the fuck would you tell the woman/man you were dating about your criminal record?
That means you're either (A) absurdly proud of it, and expect her to be proud of it too, or (B) at least 100 different kinds of stupid, or (C) Have no control over the diarrhea that spills from your mouth.
I'd say any one of those would be a pretty big turn-off for most people.

I think we have a winner.

In most cases I'd go with B or C though... A requires some intelligence and I think given the opportunity to be in said situation, any remnant of that has gone.

What if it's for something that goes with a hilarious story that happened long ago?

I mean, things like murder, rape, theft, gang crimes, dealing meth, those are all horrible. But people often do crazy things when they're young that they'll be the first to admit were stupid later.
Nothing "hilarious" ends in jail, in my book. Unless you are fighting against gross injustice or were a political prisoner, then you are in prison for only one or both of two reasons: You are a criminal and/or you are an idiot who doesn't know what a lawyer is for. Unless you are someone like Vaclav Havel, then jail = loser.

And since there are very, very few Vaclav Havels in the world, but a shitload of losers running around, then a prison record is an instant turn-off.

The next person who questions me on this is going to get a shoe-gram delivered to their head.

I think the two of you are missing the most important thing here, which is: Why the fuck would you tell the woman/man you were dating about your criminal record?
That means you're either (A) absurdly proud of it, and expect her to be proud of it too, or (B) at least 100 different kinds of stupid, or (C) Have no control over the diarrhea that spills from your mouth.
I'd say any one of those would be a pretty big turn-off for most people.
Thank you! Yes! This!!^^

Damn, I really did think that would be obvious to people.

Isn't willful ignorance covered by stupidity? I define stupidity with the formula S=I+A (stupidity = ignorance + apathy).

I've known two people who were stupid the way chocolate labs are stupid. They weren't apathetic, and they tried not to be ignorant, but their brains just were not good at connecting dots. You could explain things to them, like the news or the dinner plans, and just see it on their faces as those dots were not connecting. It was almost a disability. And both of them were aware that they were dumb, and both of them learned to cope with it, and both were among the most pleasant, caring, considerate people I've ever known -- as if their low IQ was offset by a high emotional awareness.

Ignorance, on the other hand, requires a willful choice not to engage intellectually, not just an inability to do so. I do think ignorant people are stupid at a very fundamental level, but not the same way the people described above were. Obviously, I'm not talking about accidental ignorance, where a person says something stupid because they lack proper information. If they get that information and still don't correct themselves, or if they know the information is out there and refuse to go look for it (like refusing to read books or keep up with the news), then that's the kind of ignorance I mean.

I feel bad for people who are naturally dumb, but I detest people who choose to be ignorant.

I think the two of you are missing the most important thing here, which is: Why the fuck would you tell the woman/man you were dating about your criminal record?
That means you're either (A) absurdly proud of it, and expect her to be proud of it too, or (B) at least 100 different kinds of stupid, or (C) Have no control over the diarrhea that spills from your mouth.
I'd say any one of those would be a pretty big turn-off for most people.

I believe that is called loggarhea (sp?), the inability to control what you say. It's a bit of an epidemic.

If I had been arrested and tried for throwing a shoe at G.W.Bush (and managed to get out of Guantanamo alive), I would at the very least print a photo of the incident on my T-shirt.

"I threw a shoe at the Leader of the Free World, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."

"I threw a shoe at the Leader of the Free World, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."
:sobs:



They should give him a Nobel Peace Prize.

This thread is really gettin me all hot, ;)

Mocking my (spectacular) taste in music.

-Music snobs ;)

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Sure it does. Public forum. And no, the post wasn't insulting. I explained why it wasn't, and you've chosen to take offense where none was given. That's your problem, not Sudova's (or whoever posted it...'s been a while and I don't feel like back-paging).
just because it's a public forum doesn't mean you can hack into every argument that goes on.
Actually the post was insulting to me, and indeed potentially many other people.

Uh...which is why Sudova was so general in her post. She's talking about a specific kind of person who is obsessed with being happy, not people who are genuinely ill. Methinks you making that leap qualifies you for the read-too-much-into-it olympic games. Well done!
And there's the problem, if you're using general terms to describe a specific thing that bugs you, it's like fishing using dynamite, sure you'l catch fish but you'l get the authorities down on you within a matter of minutes.
It's not a leap either, again it's quite easy to read too much into a person's post, one of the many hazards of the net.
Not only that but it's the nature of the post i was responding to iteslf, alot of mentally ill people get faar too much stick for problems in society, they may become more isolated as a result and their condition may worsen.
Therefore I don't take kindly to anyone who insults them.
Bullying? Holy fingers, you are a thin-skinned one, aren't you? Tell you what, you go ahead and post everything you think is offensive. Once the server reboots after the crash, we'll see what the Mods say, okay? Seriously, pal, relax. You'll live longer.
When i respond to an insulting post, and another person joins in insulting me (although not just me), i consider that bullying.
I found your post patronising and insulting.
no i'll post what i think is offensive, if that poster constantly offends me. Of course this could have been averted on your part if you didn't jump in.

It's simple

P1) Poster makes a post that insults me
P2) Another poster backs that one up with fitting insulting post
C) Bullying occuring therefore i will report them

I'm an instant turn-off.

I've known two people who were stupid the way chocolate labs are stupid. They weren't apathetic, and they tried not to be ignorant, but their brains just were not good at connecting dots. You could explain things to them, like the news or the dinner plans, and just see it on their faces as those dots were not connecting. It was almost a disability. And both of them were aware that they were dumb, and both of them learned to cope with it, and both were among the most pleasant, caring, considerate people I've ever known -- as if their low IQ was offset by a high emotional awareness.

Which is also kind of like chocolate labs, actually.

Shallow
Arrogant
Religious
Ignorant
Unimaginative
Overweight
etc

What's wrong with someone being religious?

People who sidle up to a couple of bimbos in the desperate hope of getting a shag!

Nah - just kidding Lapse! You did the right thing by backing off. And I don't even blame you for lecturing them - even if your motives weren't as pure as the driven snow either.

Also, parents who aren't looking after their kids (especially when they could drown in the swimming pool). I had to haul a little girl out of a pool some years back and her mother had no idea where she was.

I've known two people who were stupid the way chocolate labs are stupid. They weren't apathetic, and they tried not to be ignorant, but their brains just were not good at connecting dots. You could explain things to them, like the news or the dinner plans, and just see it on their faces as those dots were not connecting. It was almost a disability. And both of them were aware that they were dumb, and both of them learned to cope with it, and both were among the most pleasant, caring, considerate people I've ever known -- as if their low IQ was offset by a high emotional awareness.

Sounds a lot like my youngest brother.

What's wrong with someone being religious?

Nothing, its the blindly religious idiots who use religion as an excuse to be ignorant.

I still have yet to find any turn-ons.

Awww..... :(

I wasn't gonna eat it, I was just gonna decorate it. :)

You meant to say "paint a big X on your target", right?

I'm sorry...what was that?To be fair, if everyone was already hooked up on the net for the course of the conversation, i'd make the exception.
:p
In person, however, with very little external issues to distract them ... *grits teeth*

What's wrong with someone being religious?What's wrong with the rest of the list?
It's subjective, remember?

You have a pool at work? Neat!

I think he works at a pool. But yes, it would indeed be "neat" to have a pool at work.

Wow, there are certainly some.....special people here.

So would that be an instant turn off for you?

Guys who make it pretty clear that the only reason they're talking to me is because they'd like to fuck me, and the sooner the better so they can get on to more interesting things, so could I please stop eating my dinner and bend over already?

If you don't mind :D Jks, jks.

But I actually lost a date with someone who was the exact opposite who didn't want to go out with me again because I didn't fuck her on the first date (I found out this reason a few months later).

What's wrong with someone being religious?

Depends on the situation and the nature of the person's behavior with regard to religion. Those who are vehemently and defensively against it are just as bad as hyper-zealots, in my book.

just because it's a public forum doesn't mean you can hack into every argument that goes on.
Actually the post was insulting to me, and indeed potentially many other people.

Fail. Actually, because it's a public forum, I can hack into any conversation I want. Neat the way that works. You can choose to reply by TG to those you wish to engage a deux.

As for the post being insulting, you've chosen to take it that way, and for that, you have my pity. Life is far too short to be constantly on the lookout for offense. 'Cause you can find it (or more commonly, perceive it) anywhere.

And there's the problem, if you're using general terms to describe a specific thing that bugs you, it's like fishing using dynamite, sure you'l catch fish but you'l get the authorities down on you within a matter of minutes.
It's not a leap either, again it's quite easy to read too much into a person's post, one of the many hazards of the net.

Fair enough. Irrelevant, but fair enough.

Not only that but it's the nature of the post i was responding to iteslf, alot of mentally ill people get faar too much stick for problems in society, they may become more isolated as a result and their condition may worsen.
Therefore I don't take kindly to anyone who insults them.

Nothing in Sudova's post specifically targeted the mentall ill. She merely said that those who are obsessed with happiness to the point of seeking it every where, in everything, and all the time, just might be a little nuts. From my experience, not only is that true, many who exhibit said behavior are also oddly proud of being described as such.

When i respond to an insulting post, and another person joins in insulting me (although not just me), i consider that bullying.

What about when you respond unjustly to a post that wasn't remotely insulting? You know what happens when I see that? I defend the post. See what I did there?

I found your post patronising and insulting.

That's nice. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I will neither retract nor apologize. Your skin is too thin, and that's not my problem.

no i'll post what i think is offensive, if that poster constantly offends me. Of course this could have been averted on your part if you didn't jump in.

But that would have left your deliberate misinterpretation unchallenged, and that's not in my nature. You're basically telling me to fuck off, and I kinda wish you'd just cut to the chase, but I understand you're a rule lawyer, so I'll let you play this out and salve your personal sense of persecution.

It's simple

P1) Poster makes a post that insults me

Except that it didn't. She was listing her turn offs. These are opinions based on what turns an individual off. She was perfectly free to express that in any way she chose. She chose to link hyper-happiness with the possibility -- the possibility -- of mental illness. You chose to be offended. You could have made a different choice, but I don't think you work that way.

P2) Another poster backs that one up with fitting insulting post

Fitting? Why thank you! That's very kind of you to say. You've basically just told me that what I posted was the right thing to post. That kind of confirmation is very rare.

C) Bullying occuring therefore i will report them

Again, be my guest.

I've known two people who were stupid the way chocolate labs are stupid. They weren't apathetic, and they tried not to be ignorant, but their brains just were not good at connecting dots. You could explain things to them, like the news or the dinner plans, and just see it on their faces as those dots were not connecting. It was almost a disability. And both of them were aware that they were dumb, and both of them learned to cope with it, and both were among the most pleasant, caring, considerate people I've ever known -- as if their low IQ was offset by a high emotional awareness.

Ignorance, on the other hand, requires a willful choice not to engage intellectually, not just an inability to do so. I do think ignorant people are stupid at a very fundamental level, but not the same way the people described above were. Obviously, I'm not talking about accidental ignorance, where a person says something stupid because they lack proper information. If they get that information and still don't correct themselves, or if they know the information is out there and refuse to go look for it (like refusing to read books or keep up with the news), then that's the kind of ignorance I mean.

I feel bad for people who are naturally dumb, but I detest people who choose to be ignorant.

Excellent distinction, and I know both types. If you don't write professionally, you should.

Chav accents.

Pray, tell, good sir what is a Chav accent?

:sobs:

They should give him a Nobel Peace Prize.

Not until he stars in a movie first, or kills thousands of people.

If you don't mind :D Jks, jks.

But I actually lost a date with someone who was the exact opposite who didn't want to go out with me again because I didn't fuck her on the first date (I found out this reason a few months later).

Had you missed signals, or were you not clear that you weren't a first-date-fuck kinda guy? I've not met this type of woman, and I'd like to have some reports for the zebra file.

People who sidle up to a couple of bimbos in the desperate hope of getting a shag!

I didn't realise they were bimbos at the time :mad:

And I lectured them for littering, not for been irresponsible bimbos that wouldn't give me a root.

Had you missed signals, or were you not clear that you weren't a first-date-fuck kinda guy? I've not met this type of woman, and I'd like to have some reports for the zebra file.

I may have missed signals, we met through friends, and then a few weeks later I found out through the grapevine that she wanted to fuck me, and I could have even not bothered about the dinner. I wanted to take it slow, I don't know maybe she thought all guys were first-date-fuck kinda guys and was unhappy that I didn't do anything with her after the first date.

If you don't mind :D Jks, jks.

But I actually lost a date with someone who was the exact opposite who didn't want to go out with me again because I didn't fuck her on the first date (I found out this reason a few months later).
Hm, you do miss signals, don't you? That is completely not the point I was making.

First date fucks are not a turn-off. Treating a woman like she's just a container around a fuck-hole and that everything she does that doesn't involve bending over nekkid -- things like eating or dressing or watching a movie or even asking how your day went -- is a waste of your time -- that's a turn-off.

Since you missed that the first time around, you might want to print this post and carry it in your wallet next to your condoms, for reference.

Hm, you do miss signals, don't you? That is completely not the point I was making.

First date fucks are not a turn-off. Treating a woman like she's just a container around a fuck-hole and that everything she does that doesn't involve bending over nekkid -- things like eating or dressing or watching a movie or even asking how your day went -- is a waste of your time -- that's a turn-off.

Since you missed that the first time around, you might want to print this post and carry it in your wallet next to your condoms, for reference.

Lol, I renew my statement that I only want you for your amazing mind.

Lol, I renew my statement that I only want you for your amazing mind.
*hug!* Thanks. :D

What's wrong with someone being religious?

It's slightly annoying at best, and a real pain in the arse at worst.
I only once dated a religious guy, and I don't think I'll ever try it again. He managed to be preachy while fucking... pretty amazing, when you think about it.

*hug!* Thanks. :D

No, thank you!

"Normal" people are friggin' boring. Good thing I don't date them.

Yeah. Well said. What does a normal person do, anyway? Learn who's dating who in Hollywood? Watch crap movies on Lifetime? No thanks.

Lol, I renew my statement that I only want you for your amazing mind.
Good plan. I hear that amazing minds taste great when spread on ritz crackers with some ground fennel.

Good plan. I hear that amazing minds taste great when spread on ritz crackers with some ground fennel.

I think we have two different ideas.

I think we have two different ideas.
That's fine, so long as you concede that my idea is better.

That's fine, so long as you concede that my idea is better.

How about I just conceed that it sounds like a tasty and low fat snack?

It's slightly annoying at best, and a real pain in the arse at worst.
I only once dated a religious guy, and I don't think I'll ever try it again. He managed to be preachy while fucking... pretty amazing, when you think about it.
I think I dated that guy, too. :D

Good plan. I hear that amazing minds taste great when spread on ritz crackers with some ground fennel.

I think we have two different ideas.
Yeah, seriously. Who the fuck grinds fennel?

I think I dated that guy, too. :D

I think I dated his sister, never got to the sex part, she creeped me out.

I think I dated his sister, never got to the sex part, she creeped me out.

Yes, I think my Bf dated her as well... for a couple of years, without ever getting to the sex part.

Yes, I think my Bf dated her as well... for a couple of years, without ever getting to the sex part.

Of African descent?

Of African descent?

No, English I believe.

*hug!* Thanks. :D

I, personally, don't give a damn about your mind, so get with the bending over.

I, personally, don't give a damn about your mind, so get with the bending over.
*sends Neo Art home unsatisfied*

*sends Neo Art home unsatisfied*

see, this is the problem with a woman who thinks. She gets ideas

see, this is the problem with a woman who thinks. She gets ideas
Yeah, like the idea that bending over in front of you for 30 seconds is not going to be very entertaining for me, so I have very little motivation to do it. :tongue:

Yeah, like the idea that bending over in front of you for 30 seconds is not going to be very entertaining for me, so I have very little motivation to do it. :tongue:

see, there's your problem right there. All brains, no imagination.

see, there's your problem right there. All brains, no imagination.
In other words, I'm too smart to be taken in by your bragging? :D

Actually I have too much imagination. *visualizes entire encounter and dismisses it as not worthwhile* :tongue:

Give up, Neo, you can't win this one. ;)

A dame with a mustache thicker than Ron Jermy

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

No, English I believe.

Maybe a half sister then...

judgemental

Maybe a half sister then...

Or maybe just from the same congregation. Annoying, anyway. ;)

Turn-offs (physical/behavioral):

Ugly: 3 or less on the 1-10 scale.
Unhygienic
Obese: 10-20 extra, OK. 50+ extra, not OK
Anorexic: if I want to hug a skeleton, I’ll go to a Halloween party.
Excessive tattooing/piercing: one or two discretely located, OK. Pierced like a jungle savage, not OK. Inked up like a circus freak, not OK. Tramp stamps: out of the question.
Heavy smoking, although I don’t mind her lighting up a clove now and then.
Drug use. Period, end of issue.
Excessive alcohol consumption.
Extreme hairstyles: no shaved heads, Mohawks, faux-hawks, or dykey haircuts.
Excessive make-up.
Rude, mean: one good test is to watch how she treats the waitress.

Turn-offs (non-physical):

Left-of-center politics: socialist, communist, anarchist, Green, etc. Voted for Obama: instant disqualification.
“Climate change” believer.
Anti-life, i.e., “pro-choice”.
“Ninja bitch” (see Ladder Theory).
Anti-Christian: atheist, pagan, Wiccan, Moslem, etc.
Sexually deviant: homosexual (obviously), bi, “polyamorous”, BDSM, etc.
Anti-Prop 8.
Vegan/vegetarian.
PETA supporter.
Illegal alien.

These are the main ones, but there are probably others.

No doubt that weeds out most females, especially on this board, but I don’t care. If I don’t find an acceptable candidate, I’ll do without.

Turn-offs (physical/behavioral):

Ugly: 3 or less on the 1-10 scale.
Unhygienic
Obese: 10-20 extra, OK. 50+ extra, not OK
Anorexic: if I want to hug a skeleton, I’ll go to a Halloween party.
Excessive tattooing/piercing: one or two discretely located, OK. Pierced like a jungle savage, not OK. Inked up like a circus freak, not OK. Tramp stamps: out of the question.
Heavy smoking, although I don’t mind her lighting up a clove now and then.
Drug use. Period, end of issue.
Excessive alcohol consumption.
Extreme hairstyles: no shaved heads, Mohawks, faux-hawks, or dykey haircuts.
Excessive make-up.
Rude, mean: one good test is to watch how she treats the waitress.

Turn-offs (non-physical):

Left-of-center politics: socialist, communist, anarchist, Green, etc. Voted for Obama: instant disqualification.
“Climate change” believer.
Anti-life, i.e., “pro-choice”.
“Ninja bitch” (see Ladder Theory).
Anti-Christian: atheist, pagan, Wiccan, Moslem, etc.
Sexually deviant: homosexual (obviously), bi, “polyamorous”, BDSM, etc.
Anti-Prop 8.
Vegan/vegetarian.
PETA supporter.
Illegal alien.

These are the main ones, but there are probably others.

No doubt that weeds out most females, especially on this board, but I don’t care. If I don’t find an acceptable candidate, I’ll do without.

Aha, my theory is reinforced. On most issues, one can find my position by looking at New Mitanni's and taking the exact opposite.

People who arent Clones of Mine

Turn-offs (physical/behavioral):

Ugly: 3 or less on the 1-10 scale.
Unhygienic
Obese: 10-20 extra, OK. 50+ extra, not OK
Anorexic: if I want to hug a skeleton, I’ll go to a Halloween party.
Excessive tattooing/piercing: one or two discretely located, OK. Pierced like a jungle savage, not OK. Inked up like a circus freak, not OK. Tramp stamps: out of the question.
Heavy smoking, although I don’t mind her lighting up a clove now and then.
Drug use. Period, end of issue.
Excessive alcohol consumption.
Extreme hairstyles: no shaved heads, Mohawks, faux-hawks, or dykey haircuts.
Excessive make-up.
Rude, mean: one good test is to watch how she treats the waitress.

Turn-offs (non-physical):

Left-of-center politics: socialist, communist, anarchist, Green, etc. Voted for Obama: instant disqualification.
“Climate change” believer.
Anti-life, i.e., “pro-choice”.
“Ninja bitch” (see Ladder Theory).
Anti-Christian: atheist, pagan, Wiccan, Moslem, etc.
Sexually deviant: homosexual (obviously), bi, “polyamorous”, BDSM, etc.
Anti-Prop 8.
Vegan/vegetarian.
PETA supporter.
Illegal alien.

These are the main ones, but there are probably others.

No doubt that weeds out most females, especially on this board, but I don’t care. If I don’t find an acceptable candidate, I’ll do without.

Natural Selection at work!

Aha, my theory is reinforced. On most issues, one can find my position by looking at New Mitanni's and taking the exact opposite.

Thank you for providing me with a valuable service: on most issues, when I want to avoid taking the wrong position I now just need to look at yours and then take the exact opposite. :tongue:

Liberal opinions are a turn-off for me.

Thank you for providing me with a valuable service: on most issues, when I want to avoid taking the wrong position I now just need to look at yours and then take the exact opposite. :tongue:

Good. As I'm a Christian, this means you will be renouncing your faith exactly when?

Just out of interest, what exactly is a 'dykey' hairstyle?

Good. As I'm a Christian, this means you will be renouncing your faith exactly when?

Just out of interest, what exactly is a 'dykey' hairstyle?
A hairstyle worn by a woman who refuses to fuck him, perhaps.

Also, I like how just having a different religion makes a person "anti-Christian".

Can I add another thing to my list of turn-offs? :D

A hairstyle worn by a woman who refuses to fuck him, perhaps.

Also, I like how just having a different religion makes a person "anti-Christian".

Can I add another thing to my list of turn-offs? :D

Oh, the thing that intriuged me about it was that I can't think of one lesbian friend of mine who has an unconventional haircut. I have several, and they all have fairly normal long hair. This could be considered a slight issue with any sort of sensible definition for such a hairstyle.

Oh, the thing that intriuged me about it was that I can't think of one lesbian friend of mine who has an unconventional haircut. I have several, and they all have fairly normal long hair. This could be considered a slight issue with any sort of sensible definition for such a hairstyle.

I dont know any my age that do...but, there are four older lesbians I work with...If it wasnt for the voice id swear they were male....

Turn-offs (physical/behavioral):

Ugly: 3 or less on the 1-10 scale.
Unhygienic
Obese: 10-20 extra, OK. 50+ extra, not OK
Anorexic: if I want to hug a skeleton, I’ll go to a Halloween party.
Excessive tattooing/piercing: one or two discretely located, OK. Pierced like a jungle savage, not OK. Inked up like a circus freak, not OK. Tramp stamps: out of the question.
Heavy smoking, although I don’t mind her lighting up a clove now and then.
Drug use. Period, end of issue.
Excessive alcohol consumption.
Extreme hairstyles: no shaved heads, Mohawks, faux-hawks, or dykey haircuts.
Excessive make-up.
Rude, mean: one good test is to watch how she treats the waitress.

Turn-offs (non-physical):

Left-of-center politics: socialist, communist, anarchist, Green, etc. Voted for Obama: instant disqualification.
“Climate change” believer.
Anti-life, i.e., “pro-choice”.
“Ninja bitch” (see Ladder Theory).
Anti-Christian: atheist, pagan, Wiccan, Moslem, etc.
Sexually deviant: homosexual (obviously), bi, “polyamorous”, BDSM, etc.
Anti-Prop 8.
Vegan/vegetarian.
PETA supporter.
Illegal alien.

These are the main ones, but there are probably others.

No doubt that weeds out most females, especially on this board, but I don’t care. If I don’t find an acceptable candidate, I’ll do without.

It genuinely makes me happy to learn that NM would find me repulsive. :D

It genuinely makes me happy to learn that NM would find me repulsive. :D

has to be somewhat satisfying. After all, if the dregs of freerepublic.com find you horrific, you must be doing something right.

has to be somewhat satisfying. After all, if the dregs of freerepublic.com find you horrific, you must be doing something right.

Indeed! It almost makes me want to go out and get a tattoo on my lower back and stop eating meat, just to seal the deal. :p

Indeed! It almost makes me want to go out and get a tattoo on my lower back and stop eating meat, just to seal the deal. :p

and get a dyke haircut.

It always amuses me when those on the ultra right start grumbling about how they'd "never date a liberal". yeah, like we'd ever give them the time of day...

I think they're just bitter we get all the hot girls and they get...what, Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter?

Ugh.

and get a dyke haircut.

It always amuses me when those on the ultra right start grumbling about how they'd "never date a liberal". yeah, like we'd ever give them the time of day...

I think they're just bitter we get all the hot girls and they get...what, Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter?

Ugh.

...as it happens, my "dykiest" lesbian friend has fairly long straight hair, so I don't even have to change anything! Yay!

And hey, at least Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter look nominally human. Have you seen conservative men lately? I somehow doubt anyone is getting hot in the pants for Rush Limbaugh. *shudder*

...as it happens, my "dykiest" lesbian friend has fairly long straight hair, so I don't even have to change anything! Yay!

And hey, at least Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter look nominally human. Have you seen conservative men lately? I somehow doubt anyone is getting hot in the pants for Rush Limbaugh. *shudder*

You get the impression most conservative men think they look like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39342000/jpg/_39342558_touchdown.jpg

But end up looking more like this:

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/4/T/fGuyPeterRush09_22_72.jpg

But end up looking more like this:

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/4/T/fGuyPeterRush09_22_72.jpg

With less hair, of course.

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/4/T/fGuyPeterRush09_22_72.jpg

im not conservative by any stretch of the imagination...




I do however think Peter Griffin might be my avatar in animation, lol :$

You get the impression most conservative men think they look like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39342000/jpg/_39342558_touchdown.jpg

But end up looking more like this:

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/4/T/fGuyPeterRush09_22_72.jpg

The second half seems about right, but I feel the conservative male self-image might actually be a bit closer to this:

http://www.britfilms.tv/images/news/captain%20america.jpg

:tongue:

The second half seems about right, but I feel the conservative male self-image might actually be a bit closer to this:

http://www.britfilms.tv/images/news/captain%20america.jpg

:tongue:

http://www.sliceofscifi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/hulk01mcguinnesscover.jpg

Nah, I think its more this, lol...they only include "Red States" in the "Real America" lol...

The second half seems about right, but I feel the conservative male self-image might actually be a bit closer to this:

http://www.britfilms.tv/images/news/captain%20america.jpg

:tongue:

If we're really gonna do it, let's do it right:

http://www.fraterdeus.com/downloads/NewAmericanJesus.gif

I'd do Ann Coulter. Roughly. In the wrong hole and at a bad angle. Just to see her cry.

It always amuses me when those on the ultra right start grumbling about how they'd "never date a liberal". yeah, like we'd ever give them the time of day...

See, I'd never say that. I'd say I would never date a women who wasn't thoughtful. And no thoughtful women (or men) are entirely conservative or entirely liberal because they have more requirements than just "My party told me so" before they'll agree with something.

How conservative is it to be divorced 3 times, get caught with illegal viagra on your way back from a country where prostitution is legal, and be addicted to drugs? Cuz Rush Limbaugh did all that, and he's "conservative."

Al Gore has a house that uses 20 times more energy than the national average (although, to be fair, he does buy the energy from sustainable sources.) But even so...why does anyone need a house that big? Is that what a really liberal person does? Why not have a house that uses 10x the average and give the rest of the money to the World Food Organization or the ACLU or Greenpeace or something?

It's all nonsense about "conservative" and "liberal". You take people one at a time.

If we're really gonna do it, let's do it right:

http://www.fraterdeus.com/downloads/NewAmericanJesus.gif

Perfect. :hail:

Hm, you do miss signals, don't you? That is completely not the point I was making.

First date fucks are not a turn-off. Treating a woman like she's just a container around a fuck-hole and that everything she does that doesn't involve bending over nekkid -- things like eating or dressing or watching a movie or even asking how your day went -- is a waste of your time -- that's a turn-off.

Since you missed that the first time around, you might want to print this post and carry it in your wallet next to your condoms, for reference.

Ouch, that hurt, but yeah that was sort of what I knew you meant.

and get a dyke haircut.

It always amuses me when those on the ultra right start grumbling about how they'd "never date a liberal". yeah, like we'd ever give them the time of day...

I think they're just bitter we get all the hot girls and they get...what, Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter?

Ugh.
They're just projecting. They think we're lusting after them because of all the hours they spend fapping to the thought of us. Sad bastards.

Oh great, the past three pages of posts by Neo Art et. al. defines instant turn off from this thread. Seriously guys surely there is something better to be posting than crap about NM and thinking that your lame pics are witty.

Both yourselves and those on the right have more in common than you think. Cause they would be saying the exact same thing, only difference would be the word left and liberal would be substituted with right and conservative.

Oh great, the past three pages of posts by Neo Art et. al. defines instant turn off from this thread. Seriously guys surely there is something better to be posting than crap about NM and thinking that your lame pics are witty.

Both yourselves and those on the right have more in common than you think. Cause they would be saying the exact same thing, only difference would be the word left and liberal would be substituted with right and conservative.
Why do you say things like this, BE? I mean, you make these statements referring to things people just said, but the content of your statements have absolutely no relation to the main point of what you say you're talking about.

Do you honestly think we make fun of NM because he's a rightwinger? No, BE, it's because he's NM -- one of the more outrageous trolls on this forum. Just check his posting history. He posts outrageous comments, flames, flamebait, etc. and either runs or just keeps piling fuel on whatever fires he starts, without caring whether his posts mean anything or not.

If you can find -- especially in this thread -- any sign of people doing what you say we do to rightwingers in general, then go ahead and point it out. But don't bother to try to launch some story about vast gulphs of unthinking mirror-image political bias based solely on a reaction to one lonely troll.

Actually, the biggest turn off for me is deception - whether it be hypocrisy, self-delusions, deliberate deceiving of others and a lack of scruples.

Have I summed up most of the Right?

Actually, the biggest turn off for me is deception - whether it be hypocrisy, self-delusions, deliberate deceiving of others and a lack of scruples.

Have I summed up most of the Right?
You've summed up a lot of people. You must be lonely. ;)

Oh great, the past three pages of posts by Neo Art et. al. defines instant turn off from this thread. Seriously guys surely there is something better to be posting than crap about NM and thinking that your lame pics are witty.

Both yourselves and those on the right have more in common than you think. Cause they would be saying the exact same thing, only difference would be the word left and liberal would be substituted with right and conservative.

Oh, cut it. I do not refuse anyone because they vote for the 'wrong party' or don't eat the same way I do. I do not refuse anyone because they wear a different hairstyle, or don't act exactly as I think they should.

I have also not been spamming the thread with pics, nor have I been particularly amused by it.

Maybe I actually should put up some sort of list. What does rule you out:

Not intelligent. If I can't hold a reasonable conversation with you, things are probably not going to work.

No shared interests. If we can't find something to hold a reasonable conversation about, things probably aren't going to work.

No common ground on issues. I can accept disagreeing to a very large degree. But there needs to be some common ground.

Bigotry, etc. Linked to previous. If you're directly bigoted about things, I'm not interested.

That basically covers it, I think. Due to my personal positions, it basically requires you to be reasonably articulate, fairly geeky, and somewhat liberal.

Why do you say things like this, BE?

Because, I can :) But in all seriousness I say it because I think it to be true, I suppose

I mean, you make these statements referring to things people just said, but the content of your statements have absolutely no relation to the main point of what you say you're talking about.

Do you honestly think we make fun of NM because he's a rightwinger? No, BE, it's because he's NM -- one of the more outrageous trolls on this forum. Just check his posting history. He posts outrageous comments, flames, flamebait, etc. and either runs or just keeps piling fuel on whatever fires he starts, without caring whether his posts mean anything or not.

If you can find -- especially in this thread -- any sign of people doing what you say we do to rightwingers in general, then go ahead and point it out. But don't bother to try to launch some story about vast gulphs of unthinking mirror-image political bias based solely on a reaction to one lonely troll.

Well I suppose I must have got confused when the posts started talking about conservatives and ultra-right as opposed to just NM.

You've summed up a lot of people. You must be lonely. ;)

No - of course I make allowances for my wicked friends (while reserving the right to criticise their flaws endlessly).:D

No - of course I make allowances for my wicked friends (while reserving the right to criticise their flaws endlessly).:D

Which would include those that support a government. :tongue:

Hmmm! Government is a delusion! Yes Blouman, you might be onto something there.

That could explain how people can be programmed into lemmings by governmnet propaganda.

Oh great, the past three pages of posts by Neo Art et. al. defines instant turn off from this thread. Seriously guys surely there is something better to be posting than crap about NM and thinking that your lame pics are witty.

Both yourselves and those on the right have more in common than you think. Cause they would be saying the exact same thing, only difference would be the word left and liberal would be substituted with right and conservative.

Um....what?

I dated a self-described "arch-conservative." He and I are still good friends. We have so far in political discussion found literally 0 issues on which we even come close to agreeing. He was, however, neither a blithering idiot nor a terrible bigot, and he didn't prance around claiming he would never stoop so low as to date a nasty, dirty, America-hating liberal. It's that attitude I'm mocking, not conservatism at large, which would seem fairly obvious if you bothered to read my posts before ranting.

Well I suppose I must have got confused when the posts started talking about conservatives and ultra-right as opposed to just NM.

BE: Rather than further hijacking this thread, I've sent a message instead.

It genuinely makes me happy to learn that NM would find me repulsive. :D

Heh, now you just need to figure out how to make yourself repulsive to me, unfortunatly that would involve being somehwat attractive to NM :p.

I dated a self-described "arch-conservative." He and I are still good friends. We have so far in political discussion found literally 0 issues on which we even come close to agreeing. He was, however, neither a blithering idiot nor a terrible bigot, and he didn't prance around claiming he would never stoop so low as to date a nasty, dirty, America-hating liberal. It's that attitude I'm mocking, not conservatism at large, which would seem fairly obvious if you bothered to read my posts before ranting.

I've just come up with a new one for my Instant Turn-off list: a smug sense of moral superiority arising from self-proclaimed "tolerance" and opposition to "bigotry."

Thank you, P. And please feel free to list other ways I can genuinely make you happy, since you're one of the people on this board whom I live to please. :hail:

I've just come up with a new one for my Instant Turn-off list: a smug sense of moral superiority arising from self-proclaimed "tolerance" and opposition to "bigotry."

Thank you, P. And please feel free to list other ways I can genuinely make you happy, since you're one of the people on this board whom I live to please. :hail:

I do indeed consider myself superior to bigots, but I don't know that I'm particularly smug about it. It's not as if I really have to struggle not to be a bigot, so congratulating myself on that would kinda be akin to saying, "Go me! I continue to breathe and eat and go to the bathroom successfully! Wooooo!"

I do indeed consider myself superior to bigots, but I don't know that I'm particularly smug about it. It's not as if I really have to struggle not to be a bigot, so congratulating myself on that would kinda be akin to saying, "Go me! I continue to breathe and eat and go to the bathroom successfully! Wooooo!"
I feel jealous that you seem to be more unattractive to NM than I am. I hate that about you. ;) :D

I do indeed consider myself superior to bigots, but I don't know that I'm particularly smug about it. It's not as if I really have to struggle not to be a bigot, so congratulating myself on that would kinda be akin to saying, "Go me! I continue to breathe and eat and go to the bathroom successfully! Wooooo!"

Unfortunately for you and all the rest who so freely use the B-word, your imputations of "bigotry" to others are not dispositive. Your saying so doesn't make it so. Hence the "self-proclaimed". But go right ahead and keep congratulating yourself. :rolleyes:

Unfortunately for you and all the rest who so freely use the B-word, your imputations of "bigotry" to others are not dispositive. Your saying so doesn't make it so. Hence the "self-proclaimed". But go right ahead and keep congratulating yourself. :rolleyes:
True, our saying so does not make it so. But your doing so does, actually. In other words, you're a bigot because of what you say, not what we say.