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http://www.screenindia.com/news/Eddie-Murphy-to-star-in-next-Batman-movie/400082/

Horrified. Intrigued. Horrified. Now vomiting.

The end of days are upon us.


Shia LaBeouf?!!!

*cries in corner, shaking baby rattle*

What? What?! What?!?!?!

I do approve of their Catwoman, however.

It's only Robin. 'sides, Murphy did a decent job playing the Vampire in Brooklyn.

Why???

Why???

Haven't you heard? Everyone loves Shia Le Beouf.

Anonymous "sources" and unconfirmed "reports"? No thanks, I'll wait until someone more reputable, like maybe Christopher Nolan's crazy Uncle Chuck, reports. Chris Nolan has explicitly stated that he will never have Robin in his reboot, as this Batman is a younger Batman, when Robin would still be a middle-schooler.

It has to be a dirty, nasty, blamdastid, dastardly, sick, vile, abhorrent, and every other synonym for horrible ever made, rumor!

Riddler? Sure why not. Come to think of it there we not many black super villians. I thought you were saying he was going to play Batman.

Anonymous "sources" and unconfirmed "reports"? No thanks, I'll wait until someone more reputable, like maybe Christopher Nolan's crazy Uncle Chuck, reports. Chris Nolan has explicitly stated that he will never have Robin in his reboot, as this Batman is a younger Batman, when Robin would still be a middle-schooler.

You bring hope in dark times, friend.

Anonymous "sources" and unconfirmed "reports"? No thanks, I'll wait until someone more reputable, like maybe Christopher Nolan's crazy Uncle Chuck, reports. Chris Nolan has explicitly stated that he will never have Robin in his reboot, as this Batman is a younger Batman, when Robin would still be a middle-schooler.

I agree, the last I heard was that they would not have a Robin and that the Riddler was supposed to be played by Johnny Depp.

Riddler? Sure why not. Come to think of it there we not many black super villians. I thought you were saying he was going to play Batman.

An Eddie Murphy of 20 years ago would be awesome as Riddler.

Hollywood actors William Shatner and Dakota Fanning are the new faces in the upcoming movie of the Batman comic series.

The next 'Batman' flick which is tentatively called 'Up Your Ass' will have Shatner playing the role of 'Mr. Freeze' while Fanning will play the caped crusader's sidekick Batgirl.

Actress RuPaul of 'To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar' fame will reportedly play 'Barbara Gordon' as Christan Bale returns as Bruce Wayne along with Michael Caine to play his assistant Alfred, 'The Sun' reported.

This may turn out to be true, but let's not invest too much into a bunch of easily made-up bullshit. When Christopher Nolan says that Eddie Murphy is playing the Riddler, then I'll believe it. Not when "a source" and "The Sun" say it.

An Eddie Murphy of 20 years ago would be awesome as Riddler.

Axel Foley, but insane and obsessed with riddles.

Anonymous "sources" and unconfirmed "reports"? No thanks, I'll wait until someone more reputable, like maybe Christopher Nolan's crazy Uncle Chuck, reports. Chris Nolan has explicitly stated that he will never have Robin in his reboot, as this Batman is a younger Batman, when Robin would still be a middle-schooler.I've heard he won't have a Robin as long as this Batman is still a younger Batman...

They should just make a New super villain for him. Eddie Murphy that is. Nobody thought Michael Keaton could play Batman either. He did a pretty good job.

I've heard he won't have a Robin as long as this Batman is still a younger Batman...

And aside from that, events in the second movie (Batman being chased by Gotham PD as a wanted criminal for murder) it would not make sense at all to toss Robin in.

I agree, the last I heard was that they would not have a Robin and that the Riddler was supposed to be played by Johnny Depp.

Yep, and Philip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin. But even that was just speculation from Michael Caine, and nothing official. Granted, Michael Caine's a more reputable source on the franchise than "a source", but Chris Nolan's last official word was that he had not made a decision whether to do a third film or not.

"Is there a story that's going to keep me emotionally invested for the couple of years that it will take to make another one? That’s the overriding question. On a more superficial level, I have to ask the question: How many good third movies in a franchise can people name?"

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-nol.html

At this point, I'd say it's premature to speculate on anything related to a third Nolan/Bale Batman movie. And I strongly doubt it would be ready for 2010, especially since they'd want to roll it out during the summer. 2011 is much more likely.

Johnny Depp likely wouldn't do it. He is very picky about his roles.

They should just make a New super villain for him. Eddie Murphy that is. Nobody thought Michael Keaton could play Batman either. He did a pretty good job.

Let's not. Joel Schumacher totally making shit up is what got the franchise boxed 10 years ago. I'd rather they stick to the formula that allowed The Dark Knight to gross a billion dollars.

Johnny Depp likely wouldn't do it. He is very picky about his roles.

And he's allowed to be.

Yep, and Philip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin. But even that was just speculation from Michael Caine, and nothing official. Granted, Michael Caine's a more reputable source on the franchise than "a source", but Chris Nolan's last official word was that he had not made a decision whether to do a third film or not.



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-nol.html

At this point, I'd say it's premature to speculate on anything related to a third Nolan/Bale Batman movie. And I strongly doubt it would be ready for 2010, especially since they'd want to roll it out during the summer. 2011 is much more likely.




I hope they go away from the penguin being some sort bird human hybrid. He was called the penguin because he dressed in tux. The guy was a watchmaker for crying out loud. He was the builder type of super villian. Umbrellas that fly etc.

Johnny Depp likely wouldn't do it. He is very picky about his roles.

"Oh yeah I heard about that. Not that I know of. It seems like it'd be a fun gig for a while, yeah."

http://www.cinematical.com/2008/09/01/johnny-depp-responds-to-riddler-rumors/

Seems like he's at least open to the idea.

Tim Burton did a fairly good job as well then you may have got Johnny Depp. I am told they are close friends....

Johnny would do a good job. I can picture it already.

Chris Nolan is super scared about making a new movie, as he doesn't want it to suck after such a great one. He said this himself. That being said, why the flip would he purposely cast those two actors to ruin the movie?

Chris Nolan is super scared about making a new movie, as he doesn't want it to suck after such a great one. He said this himself. That being said, why the flip would he purposely cast those two actors to ruin the movie?

He wouldn't. The Sun is full of shit. Nolan hasn't even signed on to DO a third movie, much less written a script, MUCH less casted.

He wouldn't. The Sun is full of shit. Nolan hasn't even signed on to DO a third movie, much less written a script, MUCH less casted.

Maybe Nolan went batshit crazy.

I think they do this stuff to test the water to see if there is still any interest.

Maybe Nolan went batshit crazy.

Even if that's the case, I'm not going to believe any of this until HE says so, not an anonymous source at that bastion of journalistic integrity, The Sun.

Even if that's the case, I'm not going to believe any of this until HE says so, not an anonymous source at that bastion of journalistic integrity, The Sun.

Just so you know, I do agree with you.

But just think of this when you go to sleep tonight:
http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2008/12/eddie-murphy-the-riddler.jpg?1

Heh (http://io9.com/5112944/eddie-murphy-is-batmans-riddler-in-the-magical-world-of-unicorn-moonbeams)
Don't forget, not long ago people were seriously debating whether Cher was going to play Catwoman. I'm still hoping to start a rumor that Liza Minelli is playing the Penguin — pass it along!

I say keep Robin out of it. With all the Rogues Gallery of villians to choose from, perhaps Killer Crock, Clayface, Azrael, Talia...

Seeing how Dark Knight and Batman Begins are tied together. I can't see them bringing in Robin at a time when Batman is hunted by the police.

I say keep Robin out of it. With all the Rogues Gallery of villians to choose from, perhaps Killer Crock, Clayface, Azrael, Talia...

Seeing how Dark Knight and Batman Begins are tied together. I can't see them bringing in Robin at a time when Batman is hunted by the police.

When would be a good time to bring in Robin? Seriously... I just can't imagine seeing a Batman movie where Robin wouldn't suck.

When would be a good time to bring in Robin? Seriously... I just can't imagine seeing a Batman movie where Robin wouldn't suck.

seriously? I would say a Movie adaptation of "Dark Knight Returns" or bring him in as NightWing. Skip the red and yellow tights.

seriously? I would say a Movie adaptation of "Dark Knight Returns" or bring him in as NightWing. Skip the red and yellow tights.

That would be the best bet but the line of suckiness would be so easy to cross - so very easy.

I got an idea, lets have Batman go to an all you can eat chinese buffet and cast Shia Labouf as the big log of talking shit that eventually comes out.

This part would be ideal for him.

That would be the best bet but the line of suckiness would be so easy to cross - so very easy.

Well, Robin was created because Parents were concerned with the 'edginess' that Batman had. Robin was there to make the series "Kid Friendly". ever wonder why someone who is in black/grey/blue takes a sidekick that is in bright red, yellow, and green?

the Nightwing motif and character would fit the Batman world better. but yeah, it's an easy line to cross.

I got an idea, lets have Batman go to an all you can eat chinese buffet and cast Shia Labouf as the big log of talking shit that eventually comes out.

This part would be ideal for him. "Mr. Hankey, the christmas poo..."

Well... Batman considering Batman is my favorite superhero I really don't see it at all.

I MIGHT be able to see Shia LaBeouf play Robin if he got a little more masculine but I could never see Eddie Murphy playing the Riddler, ever. Period.

I got an idea, lets have Batman go to an all you can eat chinese buffet and cast Shia Labouf as the big log of talking shit that eventually comes out.

This part would be ideal for him.

Did you hear that George Lucas is playing with the idea of Shia in Indy 5 with Indy in a supporting role? Way too early movie news is so scary.

Did you hear that George Lucas is playing with the idea of Shia in Indy 5 with Indy in a supporting role? Way too early movie news is so scary.
There's got to be a way to get some sort of restraining order against Lucas and Indiana Jones...the relationship has turned abusive...

Did you hear that George Lucas is playing with the idea of Shia in Indy 5 with Indy in a supporting role? Way too early movie news is so scary.

This is very bad news. The last Indy movie sucked so badly I couldnt imagine Shia as the main character in the next. It would be unwatchable. He didnt wreck Indy4 all by himself, but he was definitely a big contributing factor.

When would be a good time to bring in Robin? Seriously... I just can't imagine seeing a Batman movie where Robin wouldn't suck.
The 1966 movie was deliciously campy. Although, I suppose you could argue that Robin sucked there, too, but since he wasn't supposed to be taken seriously, it worked.

This is very bad news. The last Indy movie sucked so badly I couldnt imagine Shia as the main character in the next. It would be unwatchable. He didnt wreck Indy4 all by himself, but he was definitely a big contributing factor.

I disagree. That movie could have had Orson Welles, Marlon Brando, Laurence Olivier, Paul Newman, Katharine Hepburn, and Grace Kelly, all in their primes, and the movie would have still been a stinking, steaming pile of feces. Shia LeBouf certainly didn't save the movie, but I don't think he had anything to do with its car-crash quality.

hmmm... Shia LeBouf in a batman movie.

I say... cast him as The Toyman! That I can see him pulling off.

I say keep Robin out of it. With all the Rogues Gallery of villians to choose from, perhaps Killer Crock, Clayface, Azrael, Talia...
They already dealt with Killer Croc in Batman: Gotham Knights, and as others have mentioned, Nolan is seriously hesitant to go anywhere near Robin.

As Sdaeriji has said, there's litle point speculating on a third film when no work has been done on it, but (at the risk of contradicting myself) I was very intrigued by how they deliberately didn't show the face of Gordon's daughter in B:TDK... as every Bats fan knows, Gordon's daughter is traditionally Batgirl.

In several scenes they just had her back to the camera, or her face buried in her mother's arms, but they were happy to show her brother. I don't think anything's set in stone, but it certainly looked like the studio/writers/Nolan was leaving a gap they could fill later.

hmmm... Shia LeBouf in a batman movie.

I say... cast him as The Toyman! That I can see him pulling off.

What kind of guy attacks with toys?

Provided Robin is killed off in as prolonged, excruciating and entertaining way, I have no objection to Shia LeBouef.

Well, Robin was created because Parents were concerned with the 'edginess' that Batman had. Robin was there to make the series "Kid Friendly". ever wonder why someone who is in black/grey/blue takes a sidekick that is in bright red, yellow, and green?

Distraction. It's actually mentioned in one of the comics, I believe.

They already dealt with Killer Croc in Batman: Gotham Knights, and as others have mentioned, Nolan is seriously hesitant to go anywhere near Robin.

As Sdaeriji has said, there's litle point speculating on a third film when no work has been done on it, but (at the risk of contradicting myself) I was very intrigued by how they deliberately didn't show the face of Gordon's daughter in B:TDK... as every Bats fan knows, Gordon's daughter is traditionally Batgirl.

In several scenes they just had her back to the camera, or her face buried in her mother's arms, but they were happy to show her brother. I don't think anything's set in stone, but it certainly looked like the studio/writers/Nolan was leaving a gap they could fill later.

Regarding future villains, I'm sure I'm correct in saying that Mr. Reese in the Dark Knight is one of the guises for the Riddler.

Distraction. It's actually mentioned in one of the comics, I believe.
Aye, I remember that too... though the source eludes me.

Robin makes no sense with a 'new' Batman, especially the way the series is going. Only when Bats is old, grizzled and dissillusioned does the Boy Wonder have any point to be included.

Talking of which... Bruce Wayne is dead. Write yourself out of that, Grant Morrison.

They already dealt with Killer Croc in Batman: Gotham Knights, and as others have mentioned, Nolan is seriously hesitant to go anywhere near Robin.

As Sdaeriji has said, there's litle point speculating on a third film when no work has been done on it, but (at the risk of contradicting myself) I was very intrigued by how they deliberately didn't show the face of Gordon's daughter in B:TDK... as every Bats fan knows, Gordon's daughter is traditionally Batgirl.

In several scenes they just had her back to the camera, or her face buried in her mother's arms, but they were happy to show her brother. I don't think anything's set in stone, but it certainly looked like the studio/writers/Nolan was leaving a gap they could fill later.
well, considering 'Barbara' is just a what... 5 yr old girl? in Dark Knight... I can't see her being batgirl for at least 13 yrs. :tongue:

Distraction. It's actually mentioned in one of the comics, I believe.
and he explains why he wears a yellow target on his chest "Can't armor plate my head". but making a child (teen wonder and all) a target?

and it's not much of a distraction considering how many times Robin is captured... :p

Regarding future villains, I'm sure I'm correct in saying that Mr. Reese in the Dark Knight is one of the guises for the Riddler.

I was thinking a replacement for Fox (since Morgan Freeman is getting on in the years... )

I was thinking a replacement for Fox (since Morgan Freeman is getting on in the years... )

He is surprisingly old, but his role hardly involves great physical exertion or travel, so I suspect we'll see him once more at least.

Regarding future villains, I'm sure I'm correct in saying that Mr. Reese in the Dark Knight is one of the guises for the Riddler.

You are 100% correct. Also, in the viral campaign for The Dark Knight, Edward Nashton wrote a letter to the editor on the Gotham Times web site.

He is surprisingly old, but his role hardly involves great physical exertion or travel, so I suspect we'll see him once more at least.
hence the setup now. ;)

You are 100% correct. Also, in the viral campaign for The Dark Knight, Edward Nashton wrote a letter to the editor on the Gotham Times web site.

Thought so. I'm really not convinced about Murphy as the Riddler though, on two grounds; firstly, Mr. Reese quite clearly isn't Eddie Murphy, and I always thought he worked either alone, or through manipulation, and secondly I fear he might convey himself as too comic for a darker interpretation. Whoever the thin Asian actor in Lost is would do a decent Riddler, as would David Tennant.

What kind of guy attacks with toys?

Shia LeBouf... :D

hence the setup now. ;)

Indeed, but he's hardly going to be replaced is he?

Regarding future villains, I'm sure I'm correct in saying that Mr. Reese in the Dark Knight is one of the guises for the Riddler.
Mr. Reese = Mysteries = Enigma = E. Nigma = Riddler?

Fun speculation.


well, considering 'Barbara' is just a what... 5 yr old girl? in Dark Knight... I can't see her being batgirl for at least 13 yrs.
I thought she looked older...

Shia LeBouf... :D

Well, I haven't seen anything that he was in so I can't say anything.

Indeed, but he's hardly going to be replaced is he?

but having a company Accountant on his side would make it easier to hide the "Money Trail". that's how Ra's Al Ghul found out Batman's Identity in the comics. and now with the cops after him... a competent investigator will pick up the money trail and where it will lead to...

Shia LaBeouf?!!!

*cries in corner, shaking baby rattle*

Well, he didn't screw up Indiana Jones as I had expected. There's hope. Still, he may fall back on playing the exact same damn character he portrayed in every other movie he's been in.

but having a company Accountant on his side would make it easier to hide the "Money Trail". that's how Ra's Al Ghul found out Batman's Identity in the comics. and now with the cops after him... a competent investigator will pick up the money trail and where it will lead to...

True, but I still can't see it feasibly being the self-same figure who publically tried to blackmail Wayne in TDK.

Well, he didn't screw up Indiana Jones as I had expected. There's hope. Still, he may fall back on playing the exact same damn character he portrayed in every other movie he's been in.

Slightly befuddled yet full of awe and gumption?

True, but I still can't see it feasibly being the self-same figure who publically tried to blackmail Wayne in TDK.

let's go through the probable though process of Mr. Reese.

we know what happened when he tried the blackmail thing with Fox.

then the Joker puts a bounty on his head.

would he think that Mr. Wayne would know what he tried to do? maybe.

yet Wayne, saved his life nearly at the cost of his own (that was a nasty hit btw). that would cause me to re-evaluate my opinion of the man.

Well, I haven't seen anything that he was in so I can't say anything.

Shia Labeouf has made a career out of destroying treasured childhood memories.

let's go through the probable though process of Mr. Reese.

we know what happened when he tried the blackmail thing with Fox.

then the Joker puts a bounty on his head.

would he think that Mr. Wayne would know what he tried to do? maybe.

yet Wayne, saved his life nearly at the cost of his own (that was a nasty hit btw). that would cause me to re-evaluate my opinion of the man.

But it wouldn't explain why either Wayne or Fox would re-employ him, given they've a firm of other accountants to use.

But it wouldn't explain why either Wayne or Fox would re-employ him, given they've a firm of other accountants to use.

Was he fired?
then again, hired as Mr. Wayne's personal accountant... ;)

Shia Labeouf has made a career out of destroying treasured childhood memories.

Now that I've read that he was in I, Robot(which got my into Asimov, BTW) I'm trying to remember who he was but I can't remember.

Thought so. I'm really not convinced about Murphy as the Riddler though, on two grounds; firstly, Mr. Reese quite clearly isn't Eddie Murphy, and I always thought he worked either alone, or through manipulation, and secondly I fear he might convey himself as too comic for a darker interpretation. Whoever the thin Asian actor in Lost is would do a decent Riddler, as would David Tennant.

Well, the name Mr. Reese could have just been incidental. Not everything has to have seven layers of hidden meaning, even if in this particular case it's rather compelling. Frankly, while we didn't get much time with Mr. Reese in The Dark Knight, the actor certainly did not seem like he'd be able to play the primary antagonist in a major summer blockbuster. He might be able to survive as a secondary villian, perhaps, but not as the main bad guy.

Frankly, I think Riddler is the wrong way to go immediately after doing Joker. Since they're rather similar, I think it would be better to use a bad guy that is completely unlike Joker before returning to Riddler. I am of the opinion that they should use the Knightfall arc as inspiration for the next movie.

I thought she looked older...

Well, the girl who played her was born in 2001, which would make her around 6 at the time of filming.

Well, the name Mr. Reese could have just been incidental. Not everything has to have seven layers of hidden meaning, even if in this particular case it's rather compelling. Frankly, while we didn't get much time with Mr. Reese in The Dark Knight, the actor certainly did not seem like he'd be able to play the primary antagonist in a major summer blockbuster. He might be able to survive as a secondary villian, perhaps, but not as the main bad guy.

Frankly, I think Riddler is the wrong way to go immediately after doing Joker. Since they're rather similar, I think it would be better to use a bad guy that is completely unlike Joker before returning to Riddler. I am of the opinion that they should use the Knightfall arc as inspiration for the next movie.

I don't know if they have an established enough universe for that. (granted I had never heard of it and just read a summary, so maybe I'm missing something)

I do approve of their Catwoman, however.

Only problem would be the accent, but apart from that, me-ow. She's on my laminated "five free passes" list.

Well, the name Mr. Reese could have just been incidental. Not everything has to have seven layers of hidden meaning, even if in this particular case it's rather compelling. Frankly, while we didn't get much time with Mr. Reese in The Dark Knight, the actor certainly did not seem like he'd be able to play the primary antagonist in a major summer blockbuster. He might be able to survive as a secondary villian, perhaps, but not as the main bad guy.

Frankly, I think Riddler is the wrong way to go immediately after doing Joker. Since they're rather similar, I think it would be better to use a bad guy that is completely unlike Joker before returning to Riddler. I am of the opinion that they should use the Knightfall arc as inspiration for the next movie.

I agree, but didn't The Dark Knight pretty much set up Two-Face as the next villain? I just don't want this to become the old nipple-suited Batman.

I thought she looked older...
don't confuse 'Barbara' Gordon's Daughter with 'Barbara' the name of his (first) wife.

Well, he didn't screw up Indiana Jones as I had expected. There's hope. Still, he may fall back on playing the exact same damn character he portrayed in every other movie he's been in.

He didn't? Sez you.

I agree, but didn't The Dark Knight pretty much set up Two-Face as the next villain? I just don't want this to become the old nipple-suited Batman.

except it would be hard for Two-Face to make any more appearances with how TDK ended.

I don't know if they have an established enough universe for that. (granted I had never heard of it and just read a summary, so maybe I'm missing something)

For Knightfall? They wouldn't have to do it word-by-word, but the premise could function: Bane could roll into town and break a bunch of criminals out of Arkham. Batman gets tired and stuff from fighting all these criminals as well as the police manhunt. Bane finally confronts and cripples Batman, then goes on a huge crime spree in a hero-less Gotham. The people cry for the good old days of Batman ruling faces, and the police manhunt is called off. Batman comes back and knocks Bane around, happy times for all.

I agree, but didn't The Dark Knight pretty much set up Two-Face as the next villain? I just don't want this to become the old nipple-suited Batman.

I don't know how. They had a funeral for Harvey Dent. It'd be pretty lame if it was a fake funeral, and Dent's still out there as Two Face, especially since Two Face was never shy about people knowing he used to be Harvey Dent.

except it would be hard for Two-Face to make any more appearances with how TDK ended.
Aye, that was crap.

As was Batman's fancy vision-tech nonsense.

And the mobile phone business. (Every person in Gotham has a Wayne Industries phone? GTFO, Morgan.)

As was Batman's fancy vision-tech nonsense.

It was an allegory. The fancy-pants CGI was less important than exploring how far the "good guys" are willing to go to catch the "bad guys." Are they willing to sacrifice the things that make them the good guys?

As was Batman's fancy vision-tech nonsense.

And the mobile phone business. (Every person in Gotham has a Wayne Industries phone? GTFO, Morgan.)

no. that's why Wayne turned the project over to the military "Telecommunications". remember Reese commenting on a whole R&D devision dissappearing over night?

He didn't? Sez you.

All I said was he didn't screw it up as much as I expected.

Slightly befuddled yet full of awe and gumption?

plus a good dose of hyperactive babblemouth on caffeine incapable of rational thought

It was an allegory. The fancy-pants CGI was less important than exploring how far the "good guys" are willing to go to catch the "bad guys." Are they willing to sacrifice the things that make them the good guys?
With a decent bit of scripting, that could have been acheived without stupid technology. Apart from the Joker's upside-down speech and Gary Oldman oozing cool as always, the last bit of the film was poor.

And I wish they'd used Kevin Conroy's (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1cm6Rw_US5E) voice instead of Bale's for Batman. Bale is the best incarnation of Bruce Wayne I can think of (though Michael Keaton gives him a run for his money), and he's a good Bats... albeit he's too short and the voice is just silly.


no. that's why Wayne turned the project over to the military "Telecommunications". remember Reese commenting on a whole R&D devision dissappearing over night?
So the military sneaked in to everyones' houses at night and mucked about with their phone? Or every single phone-user in Gotham has a fancy-pants phone with morally dubious technology in it?

And instead of Morgan wringing his hands over the ethics of spying on people, he just hands it over to the military?

Weak.

With a decent bit of scripting, that could have been acheived without stupid technology. Apart from the Joker's upside-down speech and Gary Oldman oozing cool as always, the last bit of the film was poor.

And I wish they'd used Kevin Conroy's (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1cm6Rw_US5E) voice instead of Bale's for Batman. Bale is the best incarnation of Bruce Wayne I can think of (though Michael Keaton gives him a run for his money), and he's a good Bats... albeit he's too short and the voice is just silly.

Well, Bale's voice is fine. The digital alterations that Nolan applied post-production aren't.

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/aug/04/entertainment/chi-kevin-conroy-christian-bale-batman-080404-ht

As for shortness, meh. Batman was never a towering figure, so his height doesn't do much to detract from the performance, imo.

Well, Bale's voice is fine. The digital alterations that Nolan applied post-production aren't.

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/aug/04/entertainment/chi-kevin-conroy-christian-bale-batman-080404-ht
Interesting article, thanks.

I grew up with Batman: The Animated Series, and to me Kevin Conroy is Bats. That's why Gotham Knights was, for me, so good; even if some of the stories were weak. When Batman opened his mouth, it was actually Batman talking, not Keaton or Clooney or Bale, etc. Goosebumps, hair standing up on the back onf me neck, and all that.

Saying that, I don't see how they could have had Conroy and Bale's voices in the same movie; they're too different.

As for shortness, meh. Batman was never a towering figure, so his height doesn't do much to detract from the performance, imo.
Mostly not, though there were a couple of scenes were I thought Bats looked smaller than he 'should' be. The scene near the beginning in the car park is a good example of this; if Bale/Batman's on the ground, he looks short.

And I'd disagree; Bats is, to me, a large barrel-chested chap.

Talking of which... Bruce Wayne is dead. Write yourself out of that, Grant Morrison.

Bat-Anti-Death-Spray. Or prep-time. Or beating up Grant Morrison until he gets resurrected.

And I wish they'd used Kevin Conroy's (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1cm6Rw_US5E) voice instead of Bale's for Batman. Bale is the best incarnation of Bruce Wayne I can think of (though Michael Keaton gives him a run for his money), and he's a good Bats... albeit he's too short and the voice is just silly. Well, the voice I can see. after all, why have a costume when his voice patter can be matched.

and Batman is supposed to be an imposing and intimidating figure.

So the military sneaked in to everyones' houses at night and mucked about with their phone? Or every single phone-user in Gotham has a fancy-pants phone with morally dubious technology in it?

And instead of Morgan wringing his hands over the ethics of spying on people, he just hands it over to the military?

Weak. who knows. with the military's capabilities, who's to say they can't send a pulse through your phone since most cells are equipped with a GPS chip.

but what bothers me is if everyone is leaving Gotham, wouldn't the 'Map' reflect that?

Bat-Anti-Death-Spray. Or prep-time. Or beating up Grant Morrison until he gets resurrected.
Aye, I can't see any way out of this that doesn't involve an alt universe, one of Ra's al Ghul's Lazarus Pits, a complete retcon or another individual becoming Batman.

Morrison's said that, "[t]his is the end of Bruce Wayne as Batman", so the latter seems likely, if dissapointing.

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Interesting article, thanks.

I grew up with Batman: The Animated Series, and to me Kevin Conroy is Bats. That's why Gotham Knights was, for me, so good; even if some of the stories were weak. When Batman opened his mouth, it was actually Batman talking, not Keaton or Clooney or Bale, etc. Goosebumps, hair standing up on the back onf me neck, and all that.

Saying that, I don't see how they could have had Conroy and Bale's voices in the same movie; they're too different.


Mostly not, though there were a couple of scenes were I thought Bats looked smaller than he 'should' be. The scene near the beginning in the car park is a good example of this; if Bale/Batman's on the ground, he looks short.

And I'd disagree; Bats is, to me, a large barrel-chested chap.

It's interesting to note that Conroy's performances as Batman are precisely what led Nolan and his production staff to mess with Bale's voice.

I agree that Batman should be a muscular individual, but there's not much that insists that Batman be very tall. He's frequently shown to be shorter than his rogues gallery (Penguin aside), and as Bruce Wayne he's usually the same height as most other people, unless the artists are purposely trying to make the other person seem meek. Guys like Fox and Alfred, while not as absurdly muscular as Batman, are his height.

who knows. with the military's capabilities, who's to say they can't send a pulse through your phone since most cells are equipped with a GPS chip.

but what bothers me is if everyone is leaving Gotham, wouldn't the 'Map' reflect that?

Probably. But, the fancy-pants CGI at the end wouldn't require everyone in Gotham. The cell phones that Joker's goons and hostages had would be sufficient for the purposes they served in that scene.

Anonymous "sources" and unconfirmed "reports"? No thanks, I'll wait until someone more reputable, like maybe Christopher Nolan's crazy Uncle Chuck, reports. Chris Nolan has explicitly stated that he will never have Robin in his reboot, as this Batman is a younger Batman, when Robin would still be a middle-schooler.

I agree. Not only do I hate Shia, but I hate Robin. And Nolan did say he wont be dealing with Robin.

All I know is if this rumor is true, I wont see the new Batman movie. Plain and simple.

Meh.

I thought having Ledger playing the joker was a mistake and I was proven wrong.

I will take the directors vision on faith and will see the movie if the rumors are true....

Probably. But, the fancy-pants CGI at the end wouldn't require everyone in Gotham. The cell phones that Joker's goons and hostages had would be sufficient for the purposes they served in that scene.

which is why I say as SFX gets better, it's starts replacing the story quality.

Well, we'll see if there will be a next movie.

http://www.screenindia.com/news/Eddie-Murphy-to-star-in-next-Batman-movie/400082/

Horrified. Intrigued. Horrified. Now vomiting.

The end of days are upon us.


Shia LaBeouf?!!!

*cries in corner, shaking baby rattle*

Well, he aint. Christian Bale is.

http://www.screenindia.com/news/Eddie-Murphy-to-star-in-next-Batman-movie/400082/

Horrified. Intrigued. Horrified. Now vomiting.

The end of days are upon us.


Shia LaBeouf?!!!

*cries in corner, shaking baby rattle*

NOOOO IT CANNOT BE!!!!
EDDIE MURPHY?!?!? That goes against both god and myself!
And why why why introduce the campest side kid ever? As long as he doesn't say 'gee wilikers' I won't get too angry. And wasn't the Riddler supposed to be Johhny Depp?

They won't be able to top The Dark Knight

If it turns out that they're including Robin in Batman, I'm boycotting :C

I've said it before: I don't think they should attempt to make a sequal after the Dark Knight. They should quit while ahead.

And now dark tidings loom... *Shiver*

So the military sneaked in to everyones' houses at night and mucked about with their phone? Or every single phone-user in Gotham has a fancy-pants phone with morally dubious technology in it?
Rachel Maddow had a good line the other night: "Scary sounding, but true. Did you know that every cell phone in the US receives control signals that originate in Dick Cheney's basement?"
(Explanation: the Vice President's official residence is the Naval Observatory; beneath the Observatory is a chamber where the National Bureau of Standards maintains our official atomic clock, on which all our time-sync signals are based.)

If Eddie Murphy ends up in a Batman film, they've really dropped the ball. Even in his most serious roles, he's funny.

I'm actually more interested in who'll take over as Joker. They'll have a lot to live up to.

If Eddie Murphy ends up in a Batman film, they've really dropped the ball. Even in his most serious roles, he's funny.

I'm actually more interested in who'll take over as Joker. They'll have a lot to live up to.

Joker is one they should let go.

After that performance; few people will probably accept anybody else.....

I'm actually more interested in who'll take over as Joker. They'll have a lot to live up to.
It won't be possible. Ledger owned that role, putting someone else in face-paint and purple suit now would just be embarrassing for everyone involved.

It won't be possible. Ledger owned that role, putting someone else in face-paint and purple suit now would just be embarrassing for everyone involved.

I'm not sure. That nobody will be able to simply reprise Ledger's Joker is undoubted, but there are a myriad possibilities that would permit him a continued presence; speaking from behind a door in Arkham, or simply returning to a more cliched Joker and claiming a chemical accident. Wouldn't be implausible.

Well, he aint. Christian Bale is.

Let no one say that you are not a keen observer.

I'm not sure. That nobody will be able to simply reprise Ledger's Joker is undoubted, but there are a myriad possibilities that would permit him a continued presence; speaking from behind a door in Arkham, or simply returning to a more cliched Joker and claiming a chemical accident. Wouldn't be implausible.

as for a 'Voice behind the walls of Arkham'... I vote for :hail: Mark Hamill.

I'm not sure. That nobody will be able to simply reprise Ledger's Joker is undoubted, but there are a myriad possibilities that would permit him a continued presence; speaking from behind a door in Arkham, or simply returning to a more cliched Joker and claiming a chemical accident. Wouldn't be implausible.

True enough. Scarecrow was what, half a scene in Dark Knight? That's all that's really required. Not every Batman story is a Joker story, all you have to do is intimate that he's still around to be consistent.

True enough. Scarecrow was what, half a scene in Dark Knight? That's all that's really required. Not every Batman story is a Joker story, all you have to do is intimate that he's still around to be consistent.

tbh, Scarecrow wasn't caught at the end of BB, so him being around made sense... then there's Ras... we can only assume he's dead. ;)

I can't see how they're going to do The Riddler, Catwoman, or even Robin, which is what I heard are the candidates to be in Gotham. They're probably going to ruin it like the old Batman movies. Also, The Joker is the Batman villain, and the actor is deceased, I don't see how they're going to pull this off. Really, Ledger's death destroyed the chances of this franchise. But I guess as long as the next one makes enough money, it doesn't matter.

I want Mr. Freeze in the next movie, the Batman and Robin movie did him no justice
And no catwoman after the last thing we got
Maybe Harely Quinn or Killer Croc

...Robin....another Comedian Riddler.......This hurts....I expected better from Nolan....

Ugh...I was hoping theyd do a Serious Riddler, not Diet Joker or Joker Lite...

I want Mr. Freeze in the next movie, the Batman and Robin movie did him no justice
And no catwoman after the last thing we got
Maybe Harely Quinn or Killer Croc

None of the old Batman movies did anything any justice, except maybe the first one. Since they were able to pull off something that wasn't crap with Dark Knight, I'm willing to believe that any and all of the main characters can be adapted if the director can think of something.

But really, in the old movies after the first, Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, Poison Ivy, Two Face, Mr. Freeze, Robin (and Batgirl hahah), they were all total crap. Jim Carey and Arnold got a few chuckles, that's it.

I say keep Robin out of it. With all the Rogues Gallery of villians to choose from, perhaps Killer Crock, Clayface, Azrael, Talia...

Seeing how Dark Knight and Batman Begins are tied together. I can't see them bringing in Robin at a time when Batman is hunted by the police.

I believe Nolan has said that he won't incorporate any villians with "superpowers" in his movies. That rules out some of the moer interesting ones.

hmmm... keeping with this new series's idea of "keeping it as real as possible."
possible Villans for the next movie
Killer Croc (change him to a wrestler pumped up on a new steroid compound, not like Bane.) - Thug
Talia (revenge for her father's death) - Mastermind
Riddler (more serious, twisted and psychotic) - Mastermind
Catwoman - (Second Story Theif turned Bounty Hunter [batman is being hunted by the police now])
Legue of Assassins (hunting batman)
Black Mask - (vaccum in the mob scene can be filled by him.)
Anarky - (could see himself as the next Batman... of course there is the fact that the original has to be dealt with.)
Clayface - (change him from actor to spy - master of disguise. no shapeshifting)
Victor Zsasz - (From Batman Begins... dunno if he lived tho...)
Poison Ivy - (Need to change her to assassin who uses various poisons in unique ways.)

or they could do a movie version of Arkham... Where the Inmates of Arkham take over and demand Batman be brought to them.

Unfortunately, for that to work, you need Joker and Two-Face. :(

I believe Nolan has said that he won't incorporate any villians with "superpowers" in his movies. That rules out some of the moer interesting ones.

Interestingly... the Original Killer croc was a wrestler gone mad. he was shown a couple of times in the old comics pre-mutation.

And the first Killer Croc was just a very good actor. He uses disguises to get close to his targets.

many of Batman's villans don't have powers. or can be written without superpowers.

Poison Ivy? just make her an assassin who's perferred weapon is poision.
Azrael? make him Batman's counterpart. a rich brat who wants to surplant Batman.

I believe Nolan has said that he won't incorporate any villians with "superpowers" in his movies. That rules out some of the moer interesting ones.

Or requires a more innovative portrayal, as Junii has outlined. I suspect a more cerebral villain will be required, hence why it should be the Riddler, or the Penguin, although I believe either Bale or Nolan has publically denied any future use of the Penguin.

hmmm... keeping with this new series's idea of "keeping it as real as possible."
possible Villans for the next movie
Killer Croc (change him to a wrestler pumped up on a new steroid compound, not like Bane.) - Thug
Talia (revenge for her father's death) - Mastermind
Riddler (more serious, twisted and psychotic) - Mastermind
Catwoman - (Second Story Theif turned Bounty Hunter [batman is being hunted by the police now])
Legue of Assassins (hunting batman)
Black Mask - (vaccum in the mob scene can be filled by him.)
Anarky - (could see himself as the next Batman... of course there is the fact that the original has to be dealt with.)
Clayface - (change him from actor to spy - master of disguise. no shapeshifting)
Victor Zsasz - (From Batman Begins... dunno if he lived tho...)
Poison Ivy - (Need to change her to assassin who uses various poisons in unique ways.)

or they could do a movie version of Arkham... Where the Inmates of Arkham take over and demand Batman be brought to them.

Unfortunately, for that to work, you need Joker and Two-Face. :(

It strikes me as a little bit silly to have killed off Two-Face in TDK. Convenient in the immediate context, but beyond that, a little constraining.

Comedy is one of the hardest things to do. If you pull that off then you can play just about anything.

It strikes me as a little bit silly to have killed off Two-Face in TDK. Convenient in the immediate context, but beyond that, a little constraining.

agreed. but they did have a point (storywise). and after looking at his 'damage'. Dent would've died from infection or major complications. At least they portrayed Dent a little more honestly and true to form than the "Batman Forever" movie.

I do approve of their Catwoman, however.

Ayup.

http://www.screenindia.com/news/Eddie-Murphy-to-star-in-next-Batman-movie/400082/

Horrified. Intrigued. Horrified. Now vomiting.

The end of days are upon us.


Shia LaBeouf?!!!

*cries in corner, shaking baby rattle*

If this is true then this is the death of the batman franchise once and for all.

Maybe thats why Christian Bale signed on to do like 4 terminator films, because he's jumping ship from the tragedy that is becoming of batman.

I have fewer issues with Eddie Murphy as Riddler than I have with Shia LaBoef as anything, especially as Robin. *shudders.*

I have fewer issues with Eddie Murphy as Riddler than I have with Shia LaBoef as anything, especially as Robin. *shudders.*

I thought Chris O'Donnell was bad enough.

Dudes, as we all knew, this ain't gonna happen- (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00020725.html)
Eddie Murphy won't be Batman's next villain, The Riddler. Throwing cold water to the brewing rumor about Murphy's potential role in the sequel of "The Dark Knight", his representative slammed down the speculations, telling Access Hollywood that the reports are "not true".

Previously, The Sun reported that the 47-year-old has been touted by director Christopher Nolan as the villainous character once made famous by Jim Carrey in 1995's "Batman Forever". The publication quoted an insider saying, "Eddie's a fantastic addition. Everyone's excited to see what he does as the Riddler."

Meanwhile, on Thursday, December 18, Alan Horn, the president of Warner Bros., has indirectly cleared off the circulating casting rumors. He told Collider in a red carpet interview at the premiere of "Yes Man" that the main priority of the studio at the moment is the movie's storyline and not the cast ensemble.
Seriously (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28298887/)
Rumors have run wild on who will play the villain or villains in the next Batman movie, but it looks like Eddie Murphy won’t be one of them.

Murphy had been rumored to play the Riddler in the “Dark Knight” sequel, but his rep tells Access Hollywood it’s “not true.”

Other reports have cast both Rachel Weisz and Angelina Jolie as Catwoman, Johnny Depp also as the Riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin in the sequel to the box office smash. The Depp and Hoffman rumor began with none other than series star Michael Caine, who plays Bruce Wayne’s butler, Alfred, but Hoffman himself denied it to MTV News.

“No one has talked to me about it ever — never,” he said.

Meanwhile, Alan Horn, the president of Warner Bros., told entertainment site Collider.com on Thursday that the storyline is the project’s main priority right now.

“The story is everything,” Horn told the site. “We’ve been talking to (director) Chris Nolan and what we have to do is get him in the right place and have him tell us what he thinks the notion might be for a great story, but Chris did a great job and we’d love to have him come back and do another one… we are going to be respectful of his timing and we want to get it right.”

Seriously (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28298887/)

Now that sounds more like it. I would pay money to see that cast.

Now that sounds more like it. I would pay money to see that cast.

You'd have to, too, cause a cast like that would cost a trillion dollars.

agreed. but they did have a point (storywise). and after looking at his 'damage'. Dent would've died from infection or major complications. At least they portrayed Dent a little more honestly and true to form than the "Batman Forever" movie.

Since when have the minutiae of medical reality ever had any relation to a film? However right you are, I'm not convinced the medical impossibility of Two-face mattered greatly to his death.

Since when have the minutiae of medical reality ever had any relation to a film? However right you are, I'm not convinced the medical impossibility of Two-face mattered greatly to his death.
Since they keep evolving the 'bat armor'. a point I do like. from the bulky, I-Need-To-Turn-My-Entire-Torso-To-Look-Around-Suit of Armor to the sectional plate/kevlar weave. Didn't like the fact that Rameriz and Weiz were bad cops. they were portrayed as honest cops in both Gotham Knight and the Animated Series.

but if they wanted a Happy Ending, and a vehicle to make the Batman vs cops... Dent had to go (the storyline aspect I mentioned.)