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...finds a Canadian Study (http://www.vancouversun.com/teens+higher+risk+pregnancy+study/1082366/story.html).

The survey data did not provide Saewyc with concrete explanations for the heightened risk of pregnancy among gay, lesbian and bisexual youth, but she said there are several possible reasons.

Teenagers who are unsure about their sexual orientation will often experiment with heterosexual sex, Saewyc said.

In some cases, girls will deliberately attempt to get pregnant in an effort to create a new family or identity for themselves.

“Some people will reach for an identity that has more respect, more positive value. And in our society, what’s more valued than fatherhood or motherhood? We have holidays for them,” Saewyc said. “So even though teen parenthood isn’t very valued and it’s not all that respected, per se, it is a more positive identity in some places than being gay, lesbian or bisexual.”

While it would make sense that a lesbian would be less likely to be on birth control pills, it doesn't make sense that she wouldn't at least use a condom. It also doesn't account for the bisexual women. If a woman is going to have sex with both men and women, why wouldn't she be on birth control? I realize that there are still people out there that don't understand that sex - contraception = baby, but wouldn't the heterosexual and bisexual community have the same rate of flawed logic?

Since those are only speculations, why do you think that lesbians and bisexuals are more likely to become pregnant?

I guess there's a lot of lesbian youth going through the whole experimenting-phase...

Less guidance, maybe? A GLBT teen is probably less likely to seek advice on sexual matters because of the stigma.

So..let us see..

One of the main objections against homosexuals often spouted by certain religious groups, nazis and other "anti-gay-people" is that they do not reproduce.
Lesbians and bisexuals seem to now show that that objection is nonsense - that it in fact is the other way around.

So... when will we see some more hot Christian girl-on-girl action ;) ?

Getting pregnant sort of torpedoes any rumors of homosexuality so it kind of makes sense considering the messed up people who would find a teenage pregnancy less controversial than being gay or bisexual.

Isn't it obvious? Lesbos and bibos wanna pretend that they don't want the cock, but they actually want it more than normal girls.

I experimented with it because everyone around me was convincing me I was going through a "phase."

It obviously didn't work, 'cause here I am, six years later and I ain't doing it again!

Stupid people.

I am so so so comfuzzled by this. I don't get it. How a lesbian who, admittedly, likes those of her same sex, be more likely to get pregnant than a heterosexual female? The answer eludes me.

I am so so so comfuzzled by this. I don't get it. How a lesbian who, admittedly, likes those of her same sex, be more likely to get pregnant than a heterosexual female? The answer eludes me.

Ok well, the man puts his pee-pee in the woman's woohoo, and then...

Ok well, the man puts his pee-pee in the woman's woohoo, and then...

It's the woman's bajingo, Sin, ba-jin-go.:D

No, really. Doesn't a lesbo dislike the penis? As far as what I understood, they don't like men. The pregnancy thing really baffles me in this regard.

It's the woman's bajingo, Sin, ba-jin-go.:D

No, really. Doesn't a lesbo dislike the penis? As far as what I understood, they don't like men. The pregnancy thing really baffles me in this regard.

Most lesbians I know slept with men when they were teens, but yeah, none of them got knocked up, so dunno.

No, really. Doesn't a lesbo dislike the penis? As far as what I understood, they don't like men. The pregnancy thing really baffles me in this regard.

Maybe "the lesbo" dislikes the penis, but likes the baby ?

Well if it a makes a person happy to have sex with the same sex, then let them do it

Maybe "the lesbo" dislikes the penis, but likes the baby ?

If it's in-vintro I would understand...

Well if it a makes a person happy to have sex with the same sex, then let them do it

Think you missed the point of this thread. By like a kilometre.

It happens because they're confused, it's the same thing that happens when a married man with kids comes out of the closet after thirty years.

"Denial isn't just a river in Egypt".

It's the woman's bajingo, Sin, ba-jin-go.:D

Thank you, Dr. Reed.

No, really. Doesn't a lesbo dislike the penis? As far as what I understood, they don't like men. The pregnancy thing really baffles me in this regard.

I think you're confusing "dislike" with "prefers the other". Be careful of stereotyping all lesbians as penis/man-hating. There are many flavors of people, and some have more combinations than others.

Newspapers are notorious for misreporting this kind of study. Seems strange that they focus on just the 1998 cohort, and they don't actually say how many of the sample identified themselves as gay or bisexual.

What is this bizarro world? It would be great if some big gay queens are getting all these girls pregnant. Then they could make this story into a Hallmark movie.

Thank you, Dr. Reed.

You're welcome, Dr. John Dorian.

I think you're confusing "dislike" with "prefers the other". Be careful of stereotyping all lesbians as penis/man-hating. There are many flavors of people, and some have more combinations than others.

I do understand that difference. But it's still baffling that a study would make them to be more prone to get pregnant than heterosexual women. Even with the flavor reference, a woman who's a lesbina, IMO, would go more for females than for males, even if she like to every now and then get with a man.

What is this bizarro world? It would be great if some big gay queens are getting all these girls pregnant. Then they could make this story into a Hallmark movie.
Kinda of what interest me. The study indicated lesbian and bi girls were getting pregnant at a higher rate than straight girls were, but it doesn't indicate is gay and bi males were fathering children at a higher rate that straight males. I'm curios to know if it holds true on the other side of the coin as well.

So..let us see..

One of the main objections against homosexuals often spouted by certain religious groups, nazis and other "anti-gay-people" is that they do not reproduce.
Lesbians and bisexuals seem to now show that that objection is nonsense - that it in fact is the other way around.

So... when will we see some more hot Christian girl-on-girl action ;) ?
i like your thinking.

You are forgetting the simply medicinal puposes or the pill.
It make periods shorter, and some other things.
A woman is likely to use the pill if she was not taught abstinance and if she can afford it.

Newspapers are notorious for misreporting this kind of study.

This is true. It'd be good to have the actual study in front of me.

Seems strange that they focus on just the 1998 cohort,

Where did you get that?

and they don't actually say how many of the sample identified themselves as gay or bisexual.

In total, more heterosexual girls got pregnant, but the likelihood was greater among lesbian or bisexual girls, who made up 3.5 per cent of the females surveyed.


I do understand that difference. But it's still baffling that a study would make them to be more prone to get pregnant than heterosexual women. Even with the flavor reference, a woman who's a lesbina, IMO, would go more for females than for males, even if she like to every now and then get with a man.

Unless she were trying to hide the fact that she is lesbian/bisexual by acting straight...


Kinda of what interest me. The study indicated lesbian and bi girls were getting pregnant at a higher rate than straight girls were, but it doesn't indicate is gay and bi males were fathering children at a higher rate that straight males. I'm curios to know if it holds true on the other side of the coin as well.

Results from the surveys, which were conducted anonymously among about 30,000 students in grades 7 through 12, indicated as well that boys are more likely to cause a pregnancy if they identify as gay or bisexual.

You're welcome, Dr. John Dorian.

I'm more of a Dr. Percival Cox kind of a guy.

I do understand that difference. But it's still baffling that a study would make them to be more prone to get pregnant than heterosexual women. Even with the flavor reference, a woman who's a lesbina, IMO, would go more for females than for males, even if she like to every now and then get with a man.

Well, if you're not accustomed to heterosexual sex, you might be even less familiar with necessary precautions than even uninitiated heterosexuals. If you've never had to take precautions with women, it might -- MIGHT -- follow that you'd be less likely to think of them when following your inner desire for a little tube steak. Not all lesbians are strictly non-cock women.

Even though there may be a certin stigma for homosexualls, bisexualls, basically anything not "normal" some, nay, most confused people, spicifically teenagers are likely to have heterosexuall sex just to "throw them off the trail". Parents, freinds, whoever.
Or maybe their genuinly confused and didn't have all of the information (going back to my hatred for health classes in schools to be REQIERED by state law to teach abstinance.) when someone is taught abstinance only, they tend to leave out details like "use a condom" or even how to use one.
Lets face it, teenagers won't all abstain. but given the chioce, most of them will be safe.

I'm more of a Dr. Percival Cox kind of a guy.

I like you, Perr Perr.

Well, if you're not accustomed to heterosexual sex, you might be even less familiar with necessary precautions than even uninitiated heterosexuals. If you've never had to take precautions with women, it might -- MIGHT -- follow that you'd be less likely to think of them when following your inner desire for a little tube steak. Not all lesbians are strictly non-cock women.

That made me laugh. But yes, I follow you.

I like you, Perr Perr.



That made me laugh. But yes, I follow you.

Making you laugh is a great pleasure. I'm glad to have done so.

This is most confusing to begin with, then it makes sense. Honestly guys there's more to changing sexual orientation than changing who you have sex with...

http://www.vancouversun.com/teens+higher+risk+pregnancy+study/1082366/story.html

VANCOUVER - Lesbian and bisexual youth are up to seven times more likely to get pregnant than their heterosexual peers, a study of British Columbia students has found.

The surprising findings were published in the Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality. The data used for the research were gathered from adolescent health surveys done in B.C. schools in 1992, 1998, and 2003.

The heightened risk is explained by several factors, including an attempt among closeted gay, lesbian and bisexual teens to prove they are heterosexual to avoid harassment and discrimination.

“For some gay, lesbian and bisexual teens it’s camouflage,” said Elizabeth Saewyc, lead author of the study and an associate professor at the University of B.C.’s school of nursing, “because it’s still pretty stigmatized and they still face a lot of harassment at school.”

Results from the surveys, which were conducted anonymously among about 30,000 students in grades 7 through 12, indicated as well that boys are more likely to cause a pregnancy if they identify as gay or bisexual.

In the 1998 survey, 10.6 per cent of girls who identified as bisexual reported pregnancy, and 7.3 per cent of lesbians reported pregnancy. Among the heterosexual girls, 1.8 per cent reported pregnancy.

In total, more heterosexual girls got pregnant, but the likelihood was greater among lesbian or bisexual girls, who made up 3.5 per cent of the females surveyed.

The survey data did not provide Saewyc with concrete explanations for the heightened risk of pregnancy among gay, lesbian and bisexual youth, but she said there are several possible reasons.

Teenagers who are unsure about their sexual orientation will often experiment with heterosexual sex, Saewyc said.

In some cases, girls will deliberately attempt to get pregnant in an effort to create a new family or identity for themselves.

“Some people will reach for an identity that has more respect, more positive value. And in our society, what’s more valued than fatherhood or motherhood? We have holidays for them,” Saewyc said. “So even though teen parenthood isn’t very valued and it’s not all that respected, per se, it is a more positive identity in some places than being gay, lesbian or bisexual.”

This is one risk factor I would not have guessed.

And I am totally blind. We can delete this now or let it go away.

[inflammatory comment] dis cus dem gays two dumb two use condems [/inflammatory comment]


Kinda surprising perhaps it was a numerical fluke in the study? Id be curious to see the results of more studies.

though the results on Bisexual girls being pregnant doesn't surprise me. during the teenage years a lot of the girls who identify with being Bi are actually posing in order to attract attention from males.

though the results on Bisexual girls being pregnant doesn't surprise me. during the teenage years a lot of the girls who identify with being Bi are actually posing in order to attract attention from males.

Which still wouldn't explain the statistically anomolous increase in pregnancy risk.

Isn't it obvious? Lesbos and bibos wanna pretend that they don't want the cock, but they actually want it more than normal girls.

A-Ha! I knew it! I've been saying that for years, but does anybody listen to me? Nooooooo.

I think newpapers and magazines write headlines like 'Lesbians More Likely To Get Pregnant' in order to make people go 'Whaaa?...let me see that' and buy their publication.

though the results on Bisexual girls being pregnant doesn't surprise me. during the teenage years a lot of the girls who identify with being Bi are actually posing in order to attract attention from males.

no their just stupid and don't use condoms which is why bisexuals have the unusual reputation of being filthy STI bags.

Lesbian and Bisexual Youth More Likely to Get Pregnant
...
Since those are only speculations, why do you think that lesbians and bisexuals are more likely to become pregnant?
There's no such thing as "lesbian youth". What they mean is LUG - ""Lesbian" until graduation" - high school and college girls who are in on this latest trend.

While high school/college itself is a highly promiscuous environment, some groups are even more promiscuous than the rest. And, sexual orientation isn't something set in DNA, it depends on many factors, such as BAC.

So college girls of higher promiscuity identify themselves as "Lesbian" or "Bisexual", while those of lower promiscuity often don't bother or aren't in on the trends.

There's no such thing as "lesbian youth".

It's impossible for a young woman to be exclusively or near-exclusively attracted to other women?

Technically it is, but such comprise maybe 10% of all the "college lesbians", the rest are merely in this as a trendy thing.

Also, when subjected to the BAC levels colleges operate at, the concept of exclusive anything simply does not exist.

Technically it is, but such comprise maybe 10% of all the "college lesbians", the rest are merely in this as a trendy thing.

I assume you mean technically it isn't.

Meanwhile, it might be important to note that we are not talking about women in college, nor is the percentage of teens that reported being lesbian or bisexual higher than that in the population as a whole, so your "It's just a trendy thing," really doesn't seem to hold. And, as Grav pointed out, it wouldn't explain the difference in pregnancy rates.

Which still wouldn't explain the statistically anomolous increase in pregnancy risk.

going a bit out on a limb but if they pretending to be something they are not in order to attract guys, would that not suggest a low self esteem.
and lets face it the low self esteem girl is pretty easy to talk into stuff.

Meanwhile, it might be important to note that we are not talking about women in college,
Yes, about high school. Which is just as promiscuous and trendy as college.


nor is the percentage of teens that reported being lesbian or bisexual higher than that in the population as a whole,
In my time at least, it was definitely way higher.


And, as Grav pointed out, it wouldn't explain the difference in pregnancy rates.
It does. The more promiscuous girls also bother to self-identify themselves as bi or lesbian, while the less promiscuous don't.

Males have this porn-derived notion that all lesbians are hot by definition, and it's not a secret to girls.

Males have this porn-derived notion that all lesbians are hot by definition, and it's not a secret to girls.

That's either because lesbians are unattainable or because there's two women having sex instead of just one.

Having sex with a lesbian blows both of those down the toilet.

going a bit out on a limb but if they pretending to be something they are not in order to attract guys, would that not suggest a low self esteem.
and lets face it the low self esteem girl is pretty easy to talk into stuff.

Nah, that's a crock of shit. It's not just 'going out on a limb', it's inventing a limb to pretend to go out on.

Everyone, as a general rule, wants to have sex. Everyone makes an image of themselves - whether it's the smile that you're paying the dentist for, or the nice clothes on your credit card, or the diet you beat yourself up to keep, or the girls that you kiss on because the boys seem to like it.

The problem is - not only is it bullshit, it's irrelevent.

Bisexual and lesbian girls are more likely to be pregnant, is what the source said. It didn't say 'straight' girls that kiss other girls, or gay-or-bi-acting girls. Not even bi-curious.

By your argument, everyone who is making an effort to appeal to someone, has low self-esteem, and is easy to talk into stuff, and must - therefore - be more prone to pregnancy risk. Which means that a statistical blip ONLY in the non-straight portions, immediately blows it out of the water.

It does. The more promiscuous girls also bother to self-identify themselves as bi or lesbian, while the less promiscuous don't.


Well, this is bullshit.


Males have this porn-derived notion that all lesbians are hot by definition, and it's not a secret to girls.

And, this is bullshit.

At least it's consistent.

Thank you, Dr. Reed.



I think you're confusing "dislike" with "prefers the other". Be careful of stereotyping all lesbians as penis/man-hating. There are many flavors of people, and some have more combinations than others.

I thought they all tasted like pork . . .

Straight chick gets drunk and fools around with a girl. Nothing happens

Gay chick gets drunk and fools around with a guy. She gets pregnant.

Bisexual and lesbian girls are more likely to be pregnant, is what the source said. It didn't say 'straight' girls that kiss other girls, or gay-or-bi-acting girls. Not even bi-curious.
Do you realize it's nonsense you're talking?

Actual lesbians, who don't shag with males, can't possibly get pregnant, if we discount Virgin Mary, which is a one in ten billion case.

The source didn't spell it, but the "lesbian" girls getting pregnant are exactly that, lesbian-acting straight or bisexual girls.

Do you realize it's nonsense you're talking?

Actual lesbians, who don't shag with males, can't possibly get pregnant, if we discount Virgin Mary, which is a one in ten billion case.

The source didn't spell it, but the "lesbian" girls getting pregnant are exactly that, lesbian-acting straight or bisexual girls.

Your sexuality is defined by your desires, not your actions.

Nah, that's a crock of shit. It's not just 'going out on a limb', it's inventing a limb to pretend to go out on.

Everyone, as a general rule, wants to have sex. Everyone makes an image of themselves - whether it's the smile that you're paying the dentist for, or the nice clothes on your credit card, or the diet you beat yourself up to keep, or the girls that you kiss on because the boys seem to like it.

what about the wait until marriage prudes, I mean Christians.
not everyone in the world thinks about sex 24/7 or even love or relationships.

The problem is - not only is it bullshit, it's irrelevent.

Bisexual and lesbian girls are more likely to be pregnant, is what the source said. It didn't say 'straight' girls that kiss other girls, or gay-or-bi-acting girls. Not even bi-curious.
and how did they affirm these girls were bi/lesbian their own admission ??
how accurate can that be not just for bi/lez claiming to be straight but also for straight claiming to be bi lez. Teens are nothing if not a group without identity issues.


By your argument, everyone who is making an effort to appeal to someone, has low self-esteem, and is easy to talk into stuff, and must - therefore - be more prone to pregnancy risk. Which means that a statistical blip ONLY in the non-straight portions, immediately blows it out of the water.

If they are pretending to be something they are not YES. If i go chat up girls on the internet (eww) pretending to be a black male despite being white, does that not suggest insecurity with myself ??

Maybe instead of a penis it's a turkey baster?

http://www.flippersandfins.net/Images/TurkeyBasterA.JPG

Your sexuality is defined by your desires, not your actions.
It's not 19th century.

Why would you have a sexual act against your desire?

It's not 19th century.

Why would you have a sexual act against your desire?

Teenagers are dumb. i am sure this study would balance out if it included adults.(edit drunk misthinks)

It's not 19th century.

Why would you have a sexual act against your desire?

We don't always make the best choices. Sometimes people have sex with someone and regret it.

Teenagers are dumb. i am sure this study would balance out if it included adults.(edit drunk misthinks)
Or maybe what they call themselves is different from what they really like.

Being bi or lesbian is in fashion today.


We don't always make the best choices. Sometimes people have sex with someone and regret it.
Yes. But they do it because they WANT that sex (if we disregard commercial sexual intercourse).

By an interesting twist of physiology, some scientists think that if there is a genetic proclivity toward leaning in the homosexual direction, the same gene most likely dramatically increases fertility. *nod*

You should read the article you posted.

I love how some are more than willing to accept as true anonymous self-reporting of pregnacies, but not of sexual orientation.

Those damn pregnant harlots pretending to be lesbians in anonymous surveys 'cuz it's cool!!

Or maybe what they call themselves is different from what they really like.

Being bi or lesbian is in fashion today.





study was conducted in 2003 98 and 92... 98 i was a HS student and i can attest girls claiming to be bi to get guys was common. Very common.

study was conducted in 2003 98 and 92... 98 i was a HS student and i can attest girls claiming to be bi to get guys was common. Very common.

Maybe if I check this box on this anonymous survey, Billy will sleep with me!!! :rolleyes:

study was conducted in 2003 98 and 92... 98 i was a HS student and i can attest girls claiming to be bi to get guys was common. Very common.

Heh. Yeah. Women don't need to 'get' guys. Women have all the vaginas. I don't think you quite grasp the significance of this monopoly. *nod*

Or maybe what they call themselves is different from what they really like.

Being bi or lesbian is in fashion today.

Yes, but only because of men like you.

Yes, but only because of men like you.
No, 'cause it's legal.

Heh. Yeah. Women don't need to 'get' guys. Women have all the vaginas. I don't think you quite grasp the significance of this monopoly. *nod*

i dont know about you but i stay away from fat skanky vagina.

i dont know about you but i stay away from fat skanky vagina.

*ignoring naseau*

... but you would change your mind if alleged "fat skanky vagina" belonged to an alleged lesbian or bi-sexual?

Especially if the lesbianism or bisexuality were reported in an anonymous survey. :rolleyes:

Especially if the lesbianism or bisexuality were reported in an anonymous survey.
To play a role, you have to believe in it yourself.

To play a role, you have to believe in it yourself.

Setting aside the obvious duplicity of your position that I noted earlier, you appear to have rather odd definitions of "play," "role," and "believe."

i dont know about you but i stay away from fat skanky vagina.

Funny, and I always assumed the only person you ever talked to was your mother.

To play a role, you have to believe in it yourself.

So this is a "all lesbians really need is a good deep dicking" claim, now?

Setting aside the obvious duplicity of your position that I noted earlier, you appear to have rather odd definitions of "play," "role," and "believe."
I often self-identify as a lesbian too, especially in anonymous surveys.

So this is a "all lesbians really need is a good deep dicking" claim, now?
LUG? Remove the "really", "good", and "deep". Not that many of them even happen to ever get the pussy.

I often self-identify as a lesbian too, especially in anonymous surveys.

And are you a lesbian? Or are you proving my point?

And are you a lesbian?
I only sleep with women and don't even imagine having sex with a guy.


Or are you proving my point?
Your point that people often self-identify as what they want to be or want to appear to be, rather than what they are, including in anonymous surveys? Yes.

To play a role, you have to believe in it yourself.

what

I only sleep with women and don't even imagine having sex with a guy

That must keep their disappointment low. ;)

To play a role, you have to believe in it yourself.

Wait, are you saying that someone who honestly believes she's a lesbian isn't a lesbian?

How is that even possible? There is literally no way you could know some girl's sexuality better than she does. So, if there's no reason to lie about it (which there shouldn't be in an anonymous survey), self-admission is the best way to find out whether someone is gay or not.

To play a role, you have to believe in it yourself.

But if you actually believe you are what you say you are then that isn't called playing a role. That's called being honest with yourself or just called being confused.

That must keep their disappointment low.
Get dressed now and go play soccer, or your disappointment is gonna be long and thick.

I only sleep with women and don't even imagine having sex with a guy.

Is there are reason you say this instead of answering the question?

In other words, are you male or female?

Is there are reason you say this instead of answering the question?

In other words, are you male or female?

Oh, like it's 19th century and gender is still black and white like TVs.

Oh, like it's 19th century and gender is still black and white like TVs.

So you are saying you can't answer the question of whether or not you are a lesbian because you don't know or cannot know?

And this helps your argument about "pretend" lesbians? Think it through.

Funny, and I always assumed the only person you ever talked to was your mother.





no no no. I only talk to your mum. by the way i am your genetic daddy.

I think some (emphasis on SOME) people who claim to be "bisexual" just like sex: boys, girls, it doesn't matter. So maybe people who are more experimental when it comes to sex are people who sleep with more people and are possibly more likely to have unsafe sex?

What is this bizarro world? It would be great if some big gay queens are getting all these girls pregnant. Then they could make this story into a Hallmark movie.

It already exists, although it's not a Hallmark movie. It's a film by Pedro Almodóvar and it's called All About My Mother.

It's not 19th century.

Why would you have a sexual act against your desire?

I've had heaps of sexual acts "against my desire". I like men and I've had sex with men that I did not desire. Your desire =/= your actions.

no no no. I only talk to your mum. by the way i am your genetic daddy.

As far as I can tell, she certainly didn't inherit your low IQ.

I thought they all tasted like pork . . .

Hence the name "long pig".

As far as I can tell, she certainly didn't inherit your low IQ.

Ba zing!

Do you realize it's nonsense you're talking?

Actual lesbians, who don't shag with males, can't possibly get pregnant, if we discount Virgin Mary, which is a one in ten billion case.

The source didn't spell it, but the "lesbian" girls getting pregnant are exactly that, lesbian-acting straight or bisexual girls.

Two of my best friends are 'actual lesbians', and yet one of them has slept with guys on more than one occassion. Deliberately, by choice. But not because she is sexually attracted to men.

Kinda shits in the custard of your imaginary two-dimensional world.

What you drew from the source is your problem - you assumed things that aren't there.

what about the wait until marriage prudes, I mean Christians.
not everyone in the world thinks about sex 24/7 or even love or relationships.


'Even Christians' like to dress up nice when they're going to be around people.


and how did they affirm these girls were bi/lesbian their own admission ??
how accurate can that be not just for bi/lez claiming to be straight but also for straight claiming to be bi lez. Teens are nothing if not a group without identity issues.


Why would they lie on an anonymous survey?

What's that going to score them?


If they are pretending to be something they are not YES. If i go chat up girls on the internet (eww) pretending to be a black male despite being white, does that not suggest insecurity with myself ??

No, it suggests you're a liar. Insecurity is irrelevent.

It's not 19th century.

Why would you have a sexual act against your desire?

I think you misunderstand the use of the phrase 'desire', there.

People who 'desire' one gender are still biologically capable of engaging in sexual acts with people of other genders.

Oh, like it's 19th century and gender is still black and white like TVs.

You just said you never even think of having sex with a man.

In YOUR scenario, it IS still black and white, then... no?

Or are you simply implying you don't have definitive sexual organs for either gender?

...finds a Canadian Study (http://www.vancouversun.com/teens+higher+risk+pregnancy+study/1082366/story.html).



While it would make sense that a lesbian would be less likely to be on birth control pills, it doesn't make sense that she wouldn't at least use a condom. It also doesn't account for the bisexual women. If a woman is going to have sex with both men and women, why wouldn't she be on birth control? I realize that there are still people out there that don't understand that sex - contraception = baby, but wouldn't the heterosexual and bisexual community have the same rate of flawed logic?

Since those are only speculations, why do you think that lesbians and bisexuals are more likely to become pregnant?

Well, that would be in line with this theory:

http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12465295

The idea that gay teens wind up pregnant to have a reduced social stigma seems plausible.
Also, I think gay teens are more likely than their heterosexual peers to be encouraged by authority figured to have heterosexual sex.

Kind of blows the assertion that gays need to "recruit" out of the water, though.

'Even Christians' like to dress up nice when they're going to be around people.

dressing nice does not equate to a mating display all the time.


Why would they lie on an anonymous survey?

because you lie to yourself in order to more fully believe the Lie.

What's that going to score them?



No, it suggests you're a liar. Insecurity is irrelevent.

Normally to lie you need a reason.

Well, being of the discussion topics persuasion I personally think it's a load of BS but you know... whatever.

If anything the "lesbians" and "bisexual" females this study talks about aren't those who are sure of their sexuality but rather unsure, in which case I wouldn't classify them as lesbians or bisexuals at all. Growing up in So.Cal I didn't meet one pregnant lesbian or bisexual woman who hadn't planned on getting there.

dressing nice does not equate to a mating display all the time.

So you dress nice to get people to not have sex with you, then?

because you lie to yourself in order to more fully believe the Lie.


There's a difference between lying and mistaken than I don't think you're getting.

Normally to lie you need a reason.
But you don't need a reason to be wrong.

Growing up in So.Cal I didn't meet one pregnant lesbian or bisexual woman who hadn't planned on getting there.

I call bullshit from about a thousand paces. I'm a bisexual woman. I've had sex with men, because I like men and women. If my contraceptive fails and I get pregnant, does that make me no longer attracted to women?

because you lie to yourself in order to more fully believe the Lie.


Ah. So... you, personally, lie about your gender?

And you only think you're NOT lying about it... because you're lying to yourself?

That sound like a fair assessment of your orientation?

So you dress nice to get people to not have sex with you, then?

"Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar" Freud.
Perhaps I wear clothes soley because i like them not as a mating display.

There's a difference between lying and mistaken than I don't think you're getting.

But you don't need a reason to be wrong.

So let me get this straight. I must have a reason to wear clothes and it is to get laid and it is relevant to the conversation ?
But the reasons/motivations for lying about ones Identity and how they may mess up a study is not relevant to the conversation ?

I call bullshit from about a thousand paces. I'm a bisexual woman. I've had sex with men, because I like men and women. If my contraceptive fails and I get pregnant, does that make me no longer attracted to women?

Not quite sure how you took what I said... and came to that conclusion.

I've yet to meet women who were randomly pregnant because they didn't wear a condom or their contraceptive failed. Those who were pregnant were lesbians couples who did what they needed to become pregnant, or women who were pregnant with their boyfriend/husband, etc.

Just because a bisexual female made a choice to become pregnant with either a male or female doesn't null & void her bisexuality. And in fact that's definitely not what I said. In fact the entire point of my statement was that actual bisexual or lesbian females are those who are very much aware of their sexuality, which means the idea that in some huge sexual confusion we'd run out and fuck the next guy to try and define ourselves, therefore getting pregnant is BS.

I've yet to meet women who were randomly pregnant because they didn't wear a condom or their contraceptive failed.

HI! now you have met one... I am bisexual and I am pregnant and at the time I was on the pill... And no, my sexuality is not a "trend thing" as was frequently mentioned earlier, it is real. who would have guessed, a college freshman who actually knows what she is and is not saying it just to get the guy across the room to notice?! Yes it has become a slightly abused title, but that does not mean most of us are not really what we claim. As far as anonymous surveys go, most LGBT teens I know are more honest on those than they are even to their close friends because they are afraid of harassment and being shunned by their peers.

(And just because I made the choice to stay with the dad does not make me any less bi. It is the same as a straight person choosing the one person they want. Just means I am off market now.)

As far as why LGBT youth are more likely to get pregnant, I partially agree that it is confusion and insecurity, especially in the younger teen years... Used to be that upcoming teens just had to worry about covering up acne and all the awkward growing stages, even though alternate sexualities existed they were not a public matter and were ignored (which is why I think we have so many adults leaving families and coming out of the closet. off topic, sry). Now they have to worry about the person they like not being interested because they like the same sex/opposite sex (depending on said worried teen), how their friends and family will react if they come out of the closet, discrimination, not getting into certain colleges if they are out, etc... Which is part of why the experimental stage is so difficult. Which is likely also one of the main reasons...

"Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar" Freud.

Tell that to Clinton and Lewinsky