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So apparently a family was turned down by a supermarket chain for a birthday cake. Poor little Adolf Hitler Campbell had to get a cake made by Wal-mart. I wonder if Pol Pot Smith could get a cake? What do you think? Should Shoprite have made the cake or should the campbell's named their child something less offensive?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081217/ap_on_fe_st/odd_hitler_cake

The kid should get used to being shunned :(

The Campbells' other two children also have unusual names: JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell turns 2 in a few months and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell will be 1 in April.



No, seriously are these people retarded? Did they just name ther kids this to grab headlines and attention? Did they lose a bet? Were they really drunk?

"I liked the name!" Yeah, you apperantly also really liked the name "Aryan Nation". Oh wait, thats not a name.

I think Shoprite should have done the cake. But I think these parents need a beating.

...those poor children.

Also, when they registered the kids, weren't there any complaints or such from the goverment?

Also, when they registered the kids, weren't there any complaints or such from the goverment?

Why would there be? The governemt really doesnt have a say in how you name your kids.


I could name my kid Fuck **** ****** and the government cant really stop me.

I love the parent's rationale. 'We can't be racists, look who we invited to the party' and "Say he grows up and hangs out with black people. That's fine, I don't really care,"

Sometimes I worry about the utter stupidity of people.

I'm going to name my next child, Didyouremembertoputtheheroinintheplasticbaggieupyourass, just for the fun of going through airport security with him. I really look forward to being outraged when my entire family is strip searched for no reason.

What the fuck... naming a kid Adolf Hitler is bad enough - making a fuss about not getting a cake because of said stupidity? Double-Duh!

I hope the kid sues his parents whenever he's old enough to do so and changes his name.

Oh, and "On Tuesday he wore a pair of black boots he said were worn by a German soldier during World War II." Well, well, well.

What a bunch of assholes! "Get over it", "Past is past" and yet name their kids "Hitler" and "Aryan Nation". Fuckheads!

No, seriously are these people retarded? Did they just name ther kids this to grab headlines and attention? Did they lose a bet? Were they really drunk?

"I liked the name!" Yeah, you apperantly also really liked the name "Aryan Nation". Oh wait, thats not a name.Exactly, they could maybe hold on to that delirious reasoning 'oh no one else would have that name, focus on the future' crap if they hadn't thrown in Aryan Nation. Come on, what attention whores.

I also like how they invoke Obama. That made me lol.

Why would there be? The governemt really doesnt have a say in how you name your kids.


I could name my kid Fuck **** ****** and the government cant really stop me.

Hmm, this brings me to some nice ideas :D How about I name my kid 'Name'. That would seriously confuse anyone looking at the ID card of said child :p

Snip.

Heath Campbell said he named his son after Adolf Hitler because he liked the name and because "no one else in the world would have that name."

Gee, I wonder why.

Why do I get the feeling that this family may start their own cult in the near future?

I also like how they invoke Obama. That made me lol.

Because, since the kid is already three, Obama being president can have absolutely NOTHING to do with it, either way?

I liked the 'stop looking at the past' comment, from a guy discussing naming his kid after a historical tyrant.

Why would there be? The governemt really doesnt have a say in how you name your kids.


I could name my kid Fuck **** ****** and the government cant really stop me.

Actually, many governments do regulate what you can name your kids, including China and Australia. And in the US, I am told that enormous peer pressure is applied at hospitals and town offices to discourage parents from controversial names.

The Campbells' other two children also have unusual names: JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell turns 2 in a few months and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell will be 1 in April.
"We arn't racist. We invited black people to our kid's birthday party! Some one has to serve the cake."

What kind of fucked up idiot parents intentionally choose a name for their kid that's going to cause them heartache their whole life?

I hope the kid sues their asses off once he gets old enough to realize that they chose to put him through his special little hell for no fucking reason other than being morons.

Also, when they registered the kids, weren't there any complaints or such from the goverment?
Nope. Unless you name your kid a number or "Rapist of Dogs" or something, there's really no restriction. I know in other countries you need to pick an approved name; not so here.

In this case, these parents shouldn't have the right to name a goldfish.

Ain't gonna lie - for minimum wage, I wouldn't have asked questions: the cake would've said "Adolf Hitler." In nice, 1930s German font (whatever it was called), in hopes of getting a nice tip. Ah, well. The kid can change his name when he gets older. It's not that big a thing, though I wouldn't want to list "Adolf Hitler" as a former alias on a job application.

Their parents should have given the kid a name that gets fewer beatings.

Such as Punching Bag Campbell.

These people are trolling morons.

So apparently a family was turned down by a supermarket chain for a birthday cake. Poor little Adolf Hitler Campbell had to get a cake made by Wal-mart. I wonder if Pol Pot Smith could get a cake? What do you think? Should Shoprite have made the cake or should the campbell's named their child something less offensive?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081217/ap_on_fe_st/odd_hitler_cake

These parents are shitheads. End of story.

Ain't gonna lie - for minimum wage, I wouldn't have asked questions: the cake would've said "Adolf Hitler." In nice, 1930s German font (whatever it was called), in hopes of getting a nice tip. Ah, well. The kid can change his name when he gets older. It's not that big a thing, though I wouldn't want to list "Adolf Hitler" as a former alias on a job application.

He can problably apply as Adolf H. Campbell :)

On a slightly related note, it's a bit old but:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dogs-nazi-salute-lands-owner-in-jail-for-five-months-766438.html

Honestly, do some people ever stop and think?

He can problably apply as Adolf H. Campbell :)

On a slightly related note, it's a bit old but:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dogs-nazi-salute-lands-owner-in-jail-for-five-months-766438.html

Adolf isn't a terrible name. Not really catchy, but not too bad. But these guys are just being dicks on purpose. But look at his siblings? He won the name lottery.

This reminds me of that story about the New Zealand girl who got her name changed by the court from Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii. (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/53968/Name-change-ruling-for-Tula-Does-The-Hula)

Names blocked by registration officials included: Fish and Chips, Yeah Detroit, Stallion, Twisty Poi, Keenan Got Lucy and Sex Fruit.

Surprisingly, names such as Number 16 Bus Shelter, Midnight Chardonnay and even Violence were allowed.

That and the chapter in Freakonomics about names--the twins named Orangejello and Lemonjello, and Loser, and Shithead.

Midnight Chardonnay sounds dumb, but if you don't think about it in terms of the drink, it's just kind of exotic.

Midnight Chardonnay sounds dumb, but if you don't think about it in terms of the drink, it's just kind of exotic.
Not as dumb as "April May June".

And whenever I read Chardonnay I have to think of SNL's Celebrity Jeopardy and Sean Connery.

Not as dumb as "April May June".

And whenever I read Chardonnay I have to think of SNL's Celebrity Jeopardy and Sean Connery.
"I'll take 'the rapist' for 300, Alex"
"You're a tricky one, Tre-bek."

The story doesn't say it, but the parents must have asked for the child's full name written on the cake. I don't think Shoprite would have minded making a cake for little Adolf. But how would they know his name was Adolf Hitler unless his parents took the trouble to include his entire name.
It's already been said, and I can't think of a clever way to restate it so I'll just repeat what others have said: these are stupid people.

"I'll take 'the rapist' for 300, Alex"
"You're a tricky one, Tre-bek."

"Not a fan of the ladies are ya, Trebek?"

"Say he grows up and hangs out with black people. That's fine, I don't really care," he said. "That's his choice."


Blacks are fine...but those Jews.... ;)

So this is what attention whores did before webcams. Someone get these parents a computer and webcam for the sake of their children.

"Not a fan of the ladies are ya, Trebek?"

"I'll take anal bum cover for 500 trebek." "That's an album cover Mr. Connery"

"On Tuesday he wore a pair of black boots he said were worn by a German soldier during World War II."
wonder how he managed to squeeze that little tidbit of information into the interview?

Quite how he can claim he chose the name cause he 'liked it' while also naming his other kid 'Aryan Race' and requesting a swastika on the previous year's cake is beyond me. Why even try to attempt to look normal and rational when everything you do and say screams otherwise?

Still, their kid's name is not as bad as 'Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2452593/Talula-Does-The-Hula-From-Hawaii-not-a-girls-name,-New-Zealand-court-rules.html)
or "Number 16 Bus Shelter" for that matter:

He also voiced concern over other names given to New Zealand children, such as Violence, Midnight Chardonnay and Number 16 Bus Shelter.

A set of twins was named Benson and Hedges, after the cigarette brand and some children had been named after six-cylinder Ford cars. There has ever been a case of a child being named after the entire All Blacks side.

"Recently, for the first time in my experience as a Family Court judge, the name of a child described in text language has emerged," Mr Murfitt said.

In that case, a girl was named O.crnia, but in negotiations with the mother over a parenting order, the name was adjusted to Oceania.


New Zealand officials said they did have the power to block outlandish names.

Brian Clarke, the registrar general of Births, Deaths and Marriages, told the New Zealand Herald that the law did not allow names that would cause offence to a reasonable person, that are more than 100 characters or that include titles, military ranks, punctuation or numerals.

Names rejected by the office include Fish and Chips, Yeah Detroit, Stallion, Twisty Poi, Keenan Got Lucy and Sex Fruit.
ehhh..I dunno. I think being called Sex Fruit is kinda cool. And 'Yeah Detroit", as long as you can spell it with an '!'

"On Tuesday he wore a pair of black boots he said were worn by a German soldier during World War II."
wonder how he managed to squeeze that little tidbit of information into the interview?

Quite how he can claim he chose the name cause he 'liked it' while also naming his other kid 'Aryan Race' and requesting a swastika on the previous year's cake is beyond me. Why even try to attempt to look normal and rational when everything you do and say screams otherwise?

Still, their kid's name is not as bad as 'Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2452593/Talula-Does-The-Hula-From-Hawaii-not-a-girls-name,-New-Zealand-court-rules.html)
or "Number 16 Bus Shelter" for that matter:


ehhh..I dunno. I think being called Sex Fruit is kinda cool. And 'Yeah Detroit", as long as you can spell it with an '!'

makes me want to name my child cock n. balls

makes me want to name my child cock n. balls
Or 'My cock in your ass' as a 21st update for that Johnny Cash song, "A Boy named Sue".

Did anyone else notice a neck tattoo on the father? I wonder what it's a tattoo of.

Wow, poor kid...he is gonna have a really shitty time until he legally changes his name.

:headbang:

You almost wish it was an onion article.

I do love the 'we are not racist because we have colored friends' argument.

Wankers......

Or 'My cock in your ass' as a 21st update for that Johnny Cash song, "A Boy named Sue".

or Double Penetration.

my kids name is gonna be "fuck turks and albanians!!!"

i will name my baby nine eleven

I'll name my kid, "What's it to you, ya whore?"

I want to adopt a mexican child and rename it spicalicious.

Why would there be? The governemt really doesnt have a say in how you name your kids.
It ought to in cases of "this shit is just so retarded".

It ought to in cases of "this shit is just so retarded".

Yes sometimes the government needs to step in and stop stupidity from ruling the free world.

Yes sometimes the government needs to step in and stop stupidity from ruling the free world.

with out stupid smart becomes meaningless.
and naming a kid a stupid name is not the ruling the world.

Yes sometimes the government needs to step in and stop stupidity from ruling the free world.
Quite. I can't see why the US can't follow NZ law and "not allow names that would cause offence to a reasonable person, that are more than 100 characters or that include titles, military ranks, punctuation or numerals".
Is that really so draconian?

Well it turns out the store did try to strike a balance by offering to leave enough room for them to sign the cake.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/today/index.ssf/2008/12/holland_township_family_angry.html

Quite. I can't see why the US can't follow NZ law and "not allow names that would cause offence to a reasonable person, that are more than 100 characters or that include titles, military ranks, punctuation or numerals".
Is that really so draconian?



It's common sense.

Hmm, this brings me to some nice ideas :D How about I name my kid 'Name'. That would seriously confuse anyone looking at the ID card of said child :p

Reminds me of Guess, my dog... All I need now is the dog.

I'm going to name my kid George Bush, for funies.

I'm going to name my kid George Bush, for funies.

You will be in yahoo news next I'm sure.

For some reason the Stephen Lynch song "little tiny moustache" (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QFGr7KK-T4o) came to mind when reading the article. The dad even seems to have the tattoo referenced in the song...

Let us give him some puppies.

Just noticed this too, from the article:

He said he was raised not to avoid people of other races but not to mix with them socially or romantically

ROFL.

This reminds me of an article I was reading on a man that registered his vehicle under the license plate "NOPLATE"...

http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/noplate.asp

I have a great idea. I'm going to change my family name to Not Provided. Then I will take my chosen mate into the wilderness, where we will live without clocks or calendars or maps, before conceiving my first child, Not Provided.

Surname: Not Provided.
First name: Not Provided.
Date of birth: 2010, roughly.
Place of birth: unknown.

I'm going to name my kid George Bush, for funies.

People are doing that already, and not for funnies.

On the scale of Adolf Hitler, GWB or GHWB really don't rate as bad guys.

People are doing that already, and not for funnies.

On the scale of Adolf Hitler, GWB or GHWB really don't rate as bad guys.

What if I name my kid Stalin for funnies?

Yes sometimes the government needs to step in and stop stupidity from ruling the free world.

This should really be worrying you.

What if I name my kid Stalin for funnies?
Hell that's why I'm Joseph.

I'd name my kid Discount. He'd be Discount Joe, or Discount Pete Jr. - you know, depending on his middle name. People would want to know what line of work he was in, and whatever that happened to be, he'd benefit from the assumption that he was an honest broker. I had the nickname myself for a time - it's quite the advantage, presumably even more so with the weight of law behind it.

WELL... I think they should bake the kids name, because it isn't the kid's fault, but I get why they'd say no to drawing the swastika. The parents deserve to be bludgeoned with a fish though.

I would advise against renaming oneself John Doe and moving to 123 Anywhere USA...

>.>

I'm going to name my kid George Bush, for funies.

There was a man who named his daughter Sarah McCain Palin (+ his last name). He switched out the hospital forms when his wife wasn't looking.

The story doesn't say it, but the parents must have asked for the child's full name written on the cake. I don't think Shoprite would have minded making a cake for little Adolf. But how would they know his name was Adolf Hitler unless his parents took the trouble to include his entire name.
It's already been said, and I can't think of a clever way to restate it so I'll just repeat what others have said: these are stupid people.

Excellent point. I love how they're playing innocent to racism, yet making every effort make sure the middle name is used.

This one's not drawing much national attention, but what of the non-Christian who takes a "liking" to the name Judas Iscariot (Smith)? Something tells me there'd be a bit more uproar.

I would advise against renaming oneself John Doe and moving to 123 Anywhere USA...

>.>

Thats not a house! Thats just a cube fashioned out of Spam Mail!

The story doesn't say it, but the parents must have asked for the child's full name written on the cake. I don't think Shoprite would have minded making a cake for little Adolf. But how would they know his name was Adolf Hitler unless his parents took the trouble to include his entire name.
sorry to be a pedant but from the OP article:
"The father of 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell, denied a birthday cake with the child's full name on it by one New Jersey supermarket, is asking for a little tolerance."

he obviously gets his jollies by letting the entire world know just what a douchebag he is.

Why would there be? The governemt really doesnt have a say in how you name your kids.
I could name my kid Fuck **** ****** and the government cant really stop me.

The italian government, luckily, can. It is forbidden to give the newborns names that are likely to cause social problems to the poor kid, like, dunno, "Mussolinio", "Friday", "Aryan Nation", "Fottiti", "Porcodio" etc.

I think it is a shame that a court can't forcibly change the father's name to "Moronic Arsehole Campbell" for a while.

Bloody hell!

The thing to do is to just do the cake and say nothing. They're just real life trolls, the only way to get rid of them is to ignore them.

Although those kids are really going to have a crappy time in school once their schoolmates figure out who Hitler was and what he did.

Although those kids are really going to have a crappy time in school once their schoolmates figure out who Hitler was and what he did.

By the time that happens, the kid will be old enough to change his name himself. And vote.

By the time that happens, the kid will be old enough to change his name himself. And vote.
don't you need to be 16 or 18 to be able to change your name w/o parental consent? He'd have had a decade or more of shit by then.

If there's any justice in this world, he'll be gay and be into Bears, Jewish Bears.

By the time that happens, the kid will be old enough to change his name himself. And vote.

I doubt it. Unless they've stopped teaching history in American high schools.

I also like how they invoke Obama. That made me lol.

Yeah that was brilliant...next all the Aryan Nation members will be saying things like "I can't be racist...our President is black!"


lol

Ain't gonna lie - for minimum wage, I wouldn't have asked questions: the cake would've said "Adolf Hitler." In nice, 1930s German font (whatever it was called), in hopes of getting a nice tip. Ah, well. The kid can change his name when he gets older. It's not that big a thing, though I wouldn't want to list "Adolf Hitler" as a former alias on a job application.

Karen Meleta, a spokeswoman for ShopRite, said the Campbells had similar requests denied at the same store the last two years and said Heath Campbell previously had asked for a swastika to be included in the decoration. Sounds like they were trying to 'make a point'. Bask in teh 15 minutes, you inbred racist fucks. *clears throat*

Ah, em. Sorry about that.

Here are some pics of the kid and of nazi paraphernalia in the home...someone put an adolph mustache on the kid and post it, k?
http://photos.lehighvalleylive.com/gallery/4424/Adolf%20Hitler%20Campbell

They were fucking stupid to give their kid that name. I suspect he will change it himself when he gets old enough.

sorry to be a pedant but from the OP article:
"The father of 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell, denied a birthday cake with the child's full name on it by one New Jersey supermarket, is asking for a little tolerance."

he obviously gets his jollies by letting the entire world know just what a douchebag he is.

Bingo.

The thing to do is to just do the cake and say nothing. They're just real life trolls, the only way to get rid of them is to ignore them.

Bingo twice.

It's a Douchebag-Pride parade in miniature. This is the embodiment of the White Power movement's fractured mindset in one person. And the only way to really get their goat is to cheerfully give them what they ask for. Shoprite (and I'm not too keen on how thoughtful a store is when it can't spell its own name, marketing be damned) would have saved everyone from having to hear about this walking fiasco by just saying "of course", making the cake and not even hinting at offense or hesitation.

All calling the supervisor did was allow hand-wringing and dithering into the equation, and that's what White Power folks like. They're like kids who discover the effect that inappropriate speech has on some people and go around saying uncouth things and looking for a reaction. Someday, people in petty authority will figure this out and act accordingly.

What am I thinking? No they won't.

I'm gonna change my last name to Superstar. And then name my kid Jesus Christ.

That way, when people ask him what his name is he can say, "Superstar...Jesus Christ Superstar."

Here are some pics of the kid and of nazi paraphernalia in the home...someone put an adolph mustache on the kid and post it, k?
http://photos.lehighvalleylive.com/gallery/4424/Adolf%20Hitler%20Campbell

your wish is my command

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk287/ashmoria/ahc1.jpg

Bloody hell!

Now there's a name for a kid :D

Lewis Black:

"You can't name a kid Shithead, that's the word you use when a kid does something wrong! What do you say to Shithead when Shithead screws up? 'Hey! You stop that, uh, Bob!'"

Now there's a name for a kid :D

Indeed that is the name of my youngest!

your wish is my command

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk287/ashmoria/ahc1.jpg

Whine Kamf?

This should really be worrying you.

Why would it worry me?

your wish is my command

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk287/ashmoria/ahc1.jpg

Fuck Ashy, that kid does look like Hitler.:eek2:

your wish is my command

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk287/ashmoria/ahc1.jpg

omg you even matched hair colour!

Awesomeness, thankyou!!!

Fuck Ashy, that kid does look like Hitler.:eek2:

A more Aryan version to be precise.

A more Aryan version to be precise.

Indeed. What with the blond hair and that fair complexion. Freaky.

Nein! :eek:

The thing to do is to just do the cake and say nothing.


Nuh-uh. Don't do the cake, and say nothing. If they don't like it, good.

Why give in to idiotic requests from idiotic people, just because you don't want them to whine about their 'rights' being infringed? They'll find something to whine about anyway - let them get on with it.

Yeah okay, they've got the attention they so obviously crave, but at the end of the day all they've actually achieved is to make themselves look like jackasses.

Well i hope that kid gets a kitler for christmas..

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/kitler/pics/kitler2129.jpg

Well i hope that kid gets a kitler for christmas..

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/kitler/pics/kitler2129.jpg

Or something like this:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/77/178419457_56160cb231.jpg?v=0

Who the hell has their child's first and middle name iced onto a cake? Not 'Adolph', which would surely have been okay, not even 'Adolph Campbell', but 'Adolph Hitler'.

And who the hell, whilst living on disability benefits, thinks the Third Reich was a good thing?

And who the hell, whilst living on disability benefits, thinks the Third Reich was a good thing?

I have an answer to your question:
Neo-Nazis.

They bought the kids a special version of pokemon. :p

http://static.stickam.com/media/image/converted/player/1746/9481/3/48c94cc7-9501-11dc-b23b-afa3eecbf636.jpg

Who the hell has their child's first and middle name iced onto a cake? Not 'Adolph', which would surely have been okay, not even 'Adolph Campbell', but 'Adolph Hitler'.


Its obvious they just crave attention.

Or something like this:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/77/178419457_56160cb231.jpg?v=0

That looks jewfully delicious!

That looks jewfully delicious!

This is more fitting.
http://deadnazi.net/lulz/nazi-cake.jpg

At least the kid is likely to rebel against these moronic parents by becoming a normal human being.

I keep rereading this article hoping to whatever Gods may be out there that I missed something and its clearly a joke.


And I get more infuriated every time I read it. Clearly stupidity knows no limits.


God damnit.

I would honostly be less angry if they werent trying so visibly hard to not be seen as Nazis. If they just were like "Yeah, we named our kids Adolf Hilter and Aryan Nation, what the fuck are you gonna do about it? What? You wont make a cake for my kid? Youre Jewish arent you? You fucking kike," Id think they were jerk-offs, but I wouldnt be dropping my jaw at the sheer stupidity.


But no, these Nazis cant even be fucking honost.

This is more fitting.
http://deadnazi.net/lulz/nazi-cake.jpg


Did you hear about that party? It was a gas.

This is more fitting.
http://deadnazi.net/lulz/nazi-cake.jpg

Is it made from real Nazi's?

Nuh-uh. Don't do the cake, and say nothing. If they don't like it, good.

Why give in to idiotic requests from idiotic people, just because you don't want them to whine about their 'rights' being infringed? They'll find something to whine about anyway - let them get on with it.

Yeah okay, they've got the attention they so obviously crave, but at the end of the day all they've actually achieved is to make themselves look like jackasses.

No. The best thing to do is treat them like any other customer. Denying them what they ask for is exactly what they want. Having them come and go like anyone else is infinitely preferable to giving them their 15 minutes. The last thing Neo Nazis need is grist for the persecution mill.

Did you hear about that party? It was a gas.

You're goin' to hell for that pun.

And I'm goin' with you, as I laughed at it.

Is it made from real Nazi's?

Most likely. There's some text in German, but I don't know what it means. The photo looks old enough to be WWII era.

Its obvious they just crave attention.

Yeah, I guess that's the point I was making. And I realise that's kind of a counter-argument to my claim that giving them publicity does their cause no good at all. But I still think it's a good thing that they've set themselves up to be laughed at like this.

Most likely. There's some text in German, but I don't know what it means. The photo looks old enough to be WWII era.

I meant the cake. :p

Most likely. There's some text in German, but I don't know what it means. The photo looks old enough to be WWII era.

Well, the bottom text reads "zum Geburtstag", which is a birthday reference.

I meant the cake. :p

And I answered you. It's likely the cake was made (the one in the photo) for a member of the Nazi party or for some Nazi party celebration. Could it have been made for Hitler? Who knoes.

Well, the bottom text reads "zum Geburtstag", which is a birthday reference.

Ok, then it could be construed it was made for someone's birthday. Or for a Nazi party anniversary... But I'm making conjectures.:tongue:

Yeah, I guess that's the point I was making. And I realise that's kind of a counter-argument to my claim that giving them publicity does their cause no good at all. But I still think it's a good thing that they've set themselves up to be laughed at like this.

I agree, but that's why you let them march when they want to. You don't stir up controversy or look like you're trying to pass judgment if you really want them to hang themselves. If you try to restrict them in any way that isn't the same for any other group, you feed their persecution complex and give them more ammunition.

And I answered you. It's likely the cake was made (the one in the photo) for a member of the Nazi party or for some Nazi party celebration. Could it have been made for Hitler? Who knoes.

...I meant, was it made FROM hitler. Sorry, guess my joke got lost. :D

...I meant, was it made FROM hitler. Sorry, guess my joke got lost. :D

<.<
Anata wa baka.
>.>

<.<
Anata wa baka.
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O.o

I agree, but that's why you let them march when they want to. You don't stir up controversy or look like you're trying to pass judgment if you really want them to hang themselves. If you try to restrict them in any way that isn't the same for any other group, you feed their persecution complex and give them more ammunition.

Yeah, but they have a legal right to march. They don't have a legal right to demand that another person decorate a cake in a particular way.

Their rights aren't actually being infringed at all - if they want to buy a blank cake and ice it themselves, then they can. They were offered that option: the store staff didn't even refuse to serve them, which they were within their within their rights to do.

[QUOTE=Verdigroth;14311086] Should Shoprite have made the cake or should the campbell's named their child something less offensive?

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Their Retarded Naming their child after such a Racist Bastard. have they ever listend during their history Leasons? maybe they have to go back to School and Get Re-Educated in History.

...I meant, was it made FROM hitler. Sorry, guess my joke got lost. :D

Yeah, y'know, it's like asking if Girl Scout cookies are made from real Girl Scouts.

Yeah, but they have a legal right to march. They don't have a legal right to demand that another person decorate a cake in a particular way.

Their rights aren't actually being infringed at all - if they want to buy a blank cake and ice it themselves, then they can. They were offered that option: the store staff didn't even refuse to serve them, which they were within their within their rights to do.

No, they don't have a right to a cake like that, and the store has the right to refuse service, but I'm not talking about rights. I'm talking about when to censor and when to let someone speak in order to hang themselves. If you deny the cake, they've got ammunition to complain about and win sympathy to their cause using some concocted nonsense about First Amendment rights that more than likely doesn't apply. Regardless of the nature of the attention, you've given them attention. If you smile, nod and give them their cake, there's no complaint, therefore no attention.

Well i hope that kid gets a kitler for christmas..

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/kitler/pics/kitler2129.jpg

Aww the cuteness! If Hitler was a cat, then he would've taken over the whole world a long time ago. No one can stay mat at a cat!

At least the kid is likely to rebel against these moronic parents by becoming a normal human being.

Or start dating black guys. *nod*

Did you hear about that party? It was a gas.

hehehe, 10!

Aww the cuteness! If Hitler was a cat, then he would've taken over the whole world a long time ago. No one can stay mat at a cat!

Watch me.

Now, if it had been dog...ler. Pupler? Bah, there's no way to work Schickelgruber's name into "dog" speak.

No, they don't have a right to a cake like that, and the store has the right to refuse service, but I'm not talking about rights. I'm talking about when to censor and when to let someone speak in order to hang themselves.

Well I am talking about rights. If you start giving muppets like these more than they are entitled to, where will it end?

If you deny the cake, they've got ammunition to complain about and win sympathy to their cause using some concocted nonsense about First Amendment rights that more than likely doesn't apply. Regardless of the nature of the attention, you've given them attention.

No, if you deny the cake, you are exercising your own rights. Losers like them always have a victim complex, and will always find something to moan about. Makes no difference whatsoever whether you set out to avoid giving them ammunition.


If you smile, nod and give them their cake, there's no complaint, therefore no attention.

If you smile, nod and give them their cake, you are going along something you don't like, in order to accommodate a pair of pathetic Hitlerheads.

Well I am talking about rights. If you start giving muppets like these more than they are entitled to, where will it end?

More than they're entitled to? What now?

No, if you deny the cake, you are exercising your own rights. Losers like them always have a victim complex, and will always find something to moan about. Makes no difference whatsoever whether you set out to avoid giving them ammunition.

I disagree. You're making value judgments on what someone else may or may not have on a cake. Your job is to bake, not bowdlerize. Is a cake with Hitler's name on it illegal? No. If you don't want to bake it for personal reasons, that's all well and good. If nobody on staff wants to for similar reasons, that works too. But to outright deny service as policy on something like that seems a bit extreme. Even if they lied and said "I'm sorry, but nobody on the staff wants to bake it", that's far and away better than "fuck off you Nazi fruit, we're not serving you (even if someone on staff is fine with baking it)". Now there's no way to know whether there was someone on staff who would have done the job, but it's the principle of the thing. You don't eliminate racists through hostility, you justify them (in their minds, at least).

If you smile, nod and give them their cake, you are going along something you don't like, in order to accommodate a pair of pathetic Hitlerheads.

Okay, and what if the baker doesn't like Jews (to reverse this entirely) and won't bake Hanukkah cakes? Where's the line, and who draws it?

More than they're entitled to? What now?

More than the law entitles them to. Y'know, as in: 'These Nazi trash are demanding more than the law entitles them to.'
Their rights are not being infringed. Yet they are still complaining about their rights being infringed. Therefore, it is a waste of time trying to accommodate them.


I disagree. You're making value judgments on what someone else may or may not have on a cake.


Actually, I'm not. I accept they have the right to have whatever they want on their cake. But I don't accept they have the right to demand that I make it for them.


Your job is to bake, not bowdlerize. Is a cake with Hitler's name on it illegal? No. If you don't want to bake it for personal reasons, that's all well and good. If nobody on staff wants to for similar reasons, that works too.


Isn't that precisely what happened?


But to outright deny service as policy on something like that seems a bit extreme.


Since they didn't outright deny him service, you can set your mind at rest.


Even if they lied and said "I'm sorry, but nobody on the staff wants to bake it", that's far and away better than "fuck off you Nazi fruit, we're not serving you (even if someone on staff is fine with baking it)".


Sounds to me like they were politely turned away. And if someone did tell them to 'fuck off'... meh.


You don't eliminate racists through hostility, you justify them (in their minds, at least).

You certainly don't eliminate them by utterly failing to take a stand against them, either.


Okay, and what if the baker doesn't like Jews (to reverse this entirely) and won't bake Hanukkah cakes?

He's within his rights to dislike Jews and, of course, he's within his rights to serve or not serve whatever he likes. Just as we're within our rights to form opinions about him based upon his decisions.

Sorry Intangelon, I've enjoyed debating with you but I've got to go do other stuff for a bit.
If you're in the middle of a lengthy reply right now, I'll be back on later.

More than the law entitles them to. Y'know, as in: 'These Nazi trash are demanding more than the law entitles them to.'
Their rights are not being infringed. Yet they are still complaining about their rights being infringed. Therefore, it is a waste of time trying to accommodate them.

That's perfectly true.

Actually, I'm not. I accept they have the right to have whatever they want on their cake. But I don't accept they have the right to demand that I make it for them.

Also true.

Isn't that precisely what happened?

Well, the article isn't all that clear, but it seems like once the first-line person serving the Hitlers called the supervisor, the supervisor just quashed the whole idea. We don't know if he went through the whole cake-baking staff and asked each one if they'd be OK with baking this thing.

Since they didn't outright deny him service, you can set your mind at rest.

Fair enough, if true. I don't think the article clarifies that, as I said just aboce.

Sounds to me like they were politely turned away. And if someone did tell them to 'fuck off'... meh.

Again, agreed, if true.

You certainly don't eliminate them by utterly failing to take a stand against them, either.

Of course not, but it's a matter of choosing the right fight. If it's honestly no skin off your nose to put the name Adolf Hitler on a cake, then you should do it, even if the boss is apoplectic with PC rage, unless the store's policy explicitly forbids it or something.

He's within his rights to dislike Jews and, of course, he's within his rights to serve or not serve whatever he likes. Just as we're within our rights to form opinions about him based upon his decisions.

Well, if he's discriminating against a group and won't serve them just because they're of that group, then I'm pretty sure that's not going to look favorably on his tenure of employment there. Again, it's a question of where the line gets drawn and who draws it.

You don't eliminate racists through hostility, you justify them (in their minds, at least).

You don't eliminate them by catering to them, either.

So, it would seem that they aren't going to stop being racist bastards no matter what you do in a situation like this. May as well stick with whatever reaction you're comfortable with.

Well, if he's discriminating against a group and won't serve them just because they're of that group, then I'm pretty sure that's not going to look favorably on his tenure of employment there. Again, it's a question of where the line gets drawn and who draws it.

There's a difference between discriminating against a group and discriminating against content.

Well, the article isn't all that clear, but it seems like once the first-line person serving the Hitlers called the supervisor, the supervisor just quashed the whole idea. We don't know if he went through the whole cake-baking staff and asked each one if they'd be OK with baking this thing.


I'd want to see some pretty persuasive evidence to convince me that this is a case where a heavy handed supervisor overruled his employees' lawful desire to write 'Adolph Hitler' on a cake. And since these idiots are repeat 'customers', there's a fair chance that the staff were expecting them.


Fair enough, if true. I don't think the article clarifies that, as I said just aboce.
[...]
Again, agreed, if true.

Ah well, I had a slack afternoon at work, so I'd read a bit about it before I got on NSG.
This is the original article:
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/today/index.ssf/2008/12/holland_township_family_angry.html


Of course not, but it's a matter of choosing the right fight. If it's honestly no skin off your nose to put the name Adolf Hitler on a cake, then you should do it, even if the boss is apoplectic with PC rage, unless the store's policy explicitly forbids it or something.

See above.


Well, if he's discriminating against a group and won't serve them just because they're of that group, then I'm pretty sure that's not going to look favorably on his tenure of employment there. Again, it's a question of where the line gets drawn and who draws it.

No, but the shop staff in this case have acted not only within the law, but also within the rules of their company.
On this occasion, I don't have to wonder where the line should be drawn. I think the law as it stands is okay, therefore I think it should apply to everyone.

Off to bed now...

I wouldn't make his cake. Simple.

Watch me.

Now, if it had been dog...ler. Pupler? Bah, there's no way to work Schickelgruber's name into "dog" speak.

Try Adolf Muttler.

No. The best thing to do is treat them like any other customer...
...and then have every other customer thinking you love nazis and start boycotting your shop.
I bet Shoprite has won a lot more support and business since this story broke than they've lost.

It's common sense.

yet, as is often the case, it's sorely lacking.
And if the USA ever did legislate to make it illegal to give your kid an offensive name the same people who supported the Patriot Act, unlimited wire-tapping, invasive border controls and racial profiling et al would be the first to scream out about the injustice, unfairness, invasiveness and civil-liberties-stripping of the govt telling them they can't be total fucktards.
I'm sure there's a word for this.
Goldy?, nope. Bronzy? nope. Steely? nope. Ohhh! tip of my tongue! Just can't quite think of it!

It's okay to be prejudiced against racists.

It's okay to be prejudiced against racists.

I have to agree.

Well as least the retards didn't name the kid Weather'By Dot Com Chanel Fourcast Sheppard

Court Case for forced name change (http://courts.state.ar.us/opinions/2004a/20040407/ca03-454.html)

Well as least the retards didn't name the kid Weather'By Dot Com Chanel Fourcast Sheppard

Court Case for forced name change (http://courts.state.ar.us/opinions/2004a/20040407/ca03-454.html)

she couldn't even spell forecast right, the moron.

The other three kids should have gotten name changes as well. K.D., J.S. and B.B. (especially B.B.) aren't names. The poor kids are going to spend their lives saying, "No it don't stand for anything. It's just initials".
And the mother should be beaten with sweaty socks and renamed, 'V.D.' That should stop her procreating further.

Try Adolf Muttler.

*facepalm* Of course. Duh. Thank you.

...and then have every other customer thinking you love nazis and start boycotting your shop.
I bet Shoprite has won a lot more support and business since this story broke than they've lost.

Wouldn't that make those "every other customer" people as dumb as the original Nazi morons? If I get a t-shirt shop to print a shirt with an offensive slogan or logo on it, suddenly that shop automatically supports whatever I've chosen, despite the fact that it's my choice, not the shop's? Poppycock.

That said, you're probably right, unless the area is disproportionately White Power'd.

Okay, and what if the baker doesn't like Jews (to reverse this entirely) and won't bake Hanukkah cakes? Where's the line, and who draws it?
The state legislatures do. Discriminating against people on grounds of race or religion is against the law. Discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation may or may not be. But "people who inflict embarrassing names on their children" is not a protected class anywhere.

Why would there be? The governemt really doesnt have a say in how you name your kids.


I could name my kid Fuck **** ****** and the government cant really stop me.

I have heard of kids named "Shithead" (pronounced "shi-theed") and Female (pronounced "feh-mall-ay"), the latter because "we saw the nurses had put a cute little pink bracelet on her that said that, so we made it her name".

People are fucking morons.

I would never name my children something that awful. Though, maybe not the best of names, lol.

The story doesn't say it, but the parents must have asked for the child's full name written on the cake. I don't think Shoprite would have minded making a cake for little Adolf. But how would they know his name was Adolf Hitler unless his parents took the trouble to include his entire name.
It's already been said, and I can't think of a clever way to restate it so I'll just repeat what others have said: these are stupid people.
When she told the bakery department she wanted her son's name spelled out

Who the hell has their child's first and middle name iced onto a cake? Not 'Adolph', which would surely have been okay, not even 'Adolph Campbell', but 'Adolph Hitler'.

And who the hell, whilst living on disability benefits, thinks the Third Reich was a good thing? It's a trap. think about it. With names like Adolf Hitler Campbell, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell, and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell

and the stink they are raising because the bakery refused to make a cake exactly to their specifications... It's obvious that these people want to make their living off of lawsuits against those who will discriminate against their children's names. why else ask for a cake with a swastika? they love the name? I call bullshit.

Did you hear about that party? It was a gas. *rimshot*

At least the kid is likely to rebel against these moronic parents by becoming a normal human being.or get married to a gay jewish black guy. :p

Ah well...have no fear...apparently the local (gotta fuckin' luv) Wal-Mart did not have the same aversion and baked the cake with his full name on it...Hoy, my head hurts...

Ah well...have no fear...apparently the local (gotta fuckin' luv) Wal-Mart did not have the same aversion and baked the cake with his full name on it...Hoy, my head hurts...

ummm maybe not for long...
A Wal-Mart spokesman told The Associated Press on Wednesday that in light of the incident, the company would review its guidelines regarding cake decorations and other requests.

They should go on vacation to Germany for the lulz.

Wouldn't that make those "every other customer" people as dumb as the original Nazi morons? If I get a t-shirt shop to print a shirt with an offensive slogan or logo on it, suddenly that shop automatically supports whatever I've chosen, despite the fact that it's my choice, not the shop's? Poppycock.
You're over-simplifying there a tad.
Possible reasons why customer would boycott the shop after it made a nazi cake:
1. Yes, it is possible a few customers would be dumb enough to believe the shop must now be neo-nazis for making the cake.
2. However, a great many more would dislike - and boycott - the shop for what they see as condoning the offensive material. Not supporting, but condoning. Big difference.
3. Another bunch would think the shop-owners must have no morals and care only about money. They would then think twice about patronising a shop which has such an attitude. And before you say, 'Business is only about money', a decent shop has standards to maintain: in health, safety and decency (especially if they're in a small town). If they're prepared to do something they know will insult and upset a large proportion of their customers just to make a buck, what else might they also be doing?
4. Some customers might just feel so strongly about these offensive images (ohhh..I dunno: Jews maybe?) that they just can't bring themselves to patronise this shop again.

So it's not just a matter of customers possibly boycotting cause they now think the shop's run by nazis. They'd boycott for rather more valid reasons.



who else thinks that the cook that did make the cake peed into the batter? I know I would.



curiosity: Does Honszlynn Hinler mean anything? I'm guessing Hinler is meant to be Himler but they were too dumb to spell it correctly, but what of Honszlynn? any guesses as to what it means?

It's okay to be prejudiced against racists.
I don't know if it's really prejudice, then. The Wikipedia definition is "making a decision before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case or event." Knowing someone is racist could be a "relevant fact" in deciding how good a person he is.

That said, you're probably right, unless the area is disproportionately White Power'd.

This is the Poconos/Lehigh Valley we're talking about here. I live about a half hour from Easton, and lemme tell ya, there's a good number of em in a 50 mile radius...

No, seriously are these people retarded? Did they just name ther kids this to grab headlines and attention? Did they lose a bet? Were they really drunk?

"I liked the name!" Yeah, you apperantly also really liked the name "Aryan Nation". Oh wait, thats not a name.

I think Shoprite should have done the cake. But I think these parents need a beating.
You know the Metallica moniker didn't go through, last i'd heard. Justice!
*sobs*

I'm going to name my next child, Didyouremembertoputtheheroinintheplasticbaggieupyourass, just for the fun of going through airport security with him. I really look forward to being outraged when my entire family is strip searched for no reason.Have i told ... you lately ... that i love you?

I'm guessing Hinler is meant to be Himler but they were too dumb to spell it correctly, but what of Honszlynn?Oh, man, Skitt's law strikes again.

It's a trap. think about it. With names like Adolf Hitler Campbell, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell, and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell

and the stink they are raising because the bakery refused to make a cake exactly to their specifications... It's obvious that these people want to make their living off of lawsuits against those who will discriminate against their children's names. why else ask for a cake with a swastika? they love the name? I call bullshit.


Well, obviously. That's why they wanted the first and middle names on the cake - to ensure that they caused a problem.
However, as lawsuit fodder goes, this is pretty crappy stuff because their rights haven't actually been infringed. At all.

Well, obviously. That's why they wanted the first and middle names on the cake - to ensure that they caused a problem.
However, as lawsuit fodder goes, this is pretty crappy stuff because their rights haven't actually been infringed. At all.

Exactly, and while I'm sure that the avarage brain capaity of a racist is very, very tiny, surely they can bake a cake?

Exactly, and while I'm sure that the avarage brain capaity of a racist is very, very tiny, surely they can bake a cake?

5 cups White flour, 5 cups white sugar, 5 white eggs from a racially pure chicken...

5 cups White flour, 5 cups white sugar, 5 white eggs from a racially pure chicken...

Some Jewish giblets...



(Distasteful, Nanatsu, distasteful. :()

5 cups White flour, 5 cups white sugar, 5 white eggs from a racially pure chicken...

Heh what no free range brown eggs?

Some Jewish giblets...



(Distasteful, Nanatsu, distasteful. :()

Perhaps, milady, but also funny. They cancel each other out, y'know.

You're over-simplifying there a tad.
Possible reasons why customer would boycott the shop after it made a nazi cake:
1. Yes, it is possible a few customers would be dumb enough to believe the shop must now be neo-nazis for making the cake.

In this nation? Probable.

2. However, a great many more would dislike - and boycott - the shop for what they see as condoning the offensive material. Not supporting, but condoning. Big difference.

Okay, but one cake is condoning? What if they decide to not decorate any cake with anything that could be perceived as controversial? Again, where's the line? The store might decide that their standard is to serve ALL of their customers. They don't have to, of course, but Wal-Mart seemed to. Seems to me that local stores are already losing market share to that place. Why cede more during a recession?

3. Another bunch would think the shop-owners must have no morals and care only about money. They would then think twice about patronising a shop which has such an attitude. And before you say, 'Business is only about money', a decent shop has standards to maintain: in health, safety and decency (especially if they're in a small town). If they're prepared to do something they know will insult and upset a large proportion of their customers just to make a buck, what else might they also be doing?

Ah, so paranoia becomes an excuse. Nice. One cake with the NAME of a Nazi on it (what if it had been a lesser-known one, by the way -- who would have complained?), and suddenly there are rats in the ground beef?

4. Some customers might just feel so strongly about these offensive images (ohhh..I dunno: Jews maybe?) that they just can't bring themselves to patronise this shop again.

The only one besides #1 that makes sense stem-to-stern. Agreed.

So it's not just a matter of customers possibly boycotting cause they now think the shop's run by nazis. They'd boycott for rather more valid reasons.

I think even "potentially valid" would be a stretch for 60% of your stated reasons.

who else thinks that the cook that did make the cake peed into the batter? I know I would.

Was the cake chocolate? Why stop at number one?

Curious: Does Honszlynn Hinler mean anything? I'm guessing Hinler is meant to be Himler but they were too dumb to spell it correctly, but what of Honszlynn? any guesses as to what it means?

I wondered that, too. I thought Himmler had two Ms, though. I'm guessing that Honszlynn is some kind of redneck Nazi portmanteau of two other names from a family tree in desperate need of pruning (there's plenty of fertilizer already).

What if they decide to not decorate any cake with anything that could be perceived as controversial?

What if they do? They are entitled to make that decision.


Again, where's the line?

Again, where the law says it is.

What, precisely, is your problem with this? The store and its staff have acted entirely within their rights. You seem to think that they should have waived those rights, in order to accommodate the wishes of some racist halfwits. Why?

What if they do? They are entitled to make that decision.It would likely scare away other customers.

curiosity: Does Honszlynn Hinler mean anything? I'm guessing Hinler is meant to be Himler but they were too dumb to spell it correctly, but what of Honszlynn? any guesses as to what it means?
My guess... (http://www.encyclocentral.com/32859-Hinler_Jeannie_Honszlynn_Named_After_Nazi_Heinrich_Himmler_Joyce_Lynn_Aryan_Nation_Campbell.html)

They are hopeful that the names of the children will not create any problem in the future

:rolleyes:

Well, obviously. That's why they wanted the first and middle names on the cake - to ensure that they caused a problem.
However, as lawsuit fodder goes, this is pretty crappy stuff because their rights haven't actually been infringed. At all.

oh? just wait. see, they're building up a history of discriminatory actions against them.

5 cups White flour, 5 cups white sugar, 5 white eggs from a racially pure chicken... forgot the Vanilla extract.

It would likely scare away other customers.

Yes. The right to make a decision generally includes the right to make a bad decision.

oh? just wait. see, they're building up a history of discriminatory actions against them.


Are they? What a complete waste of time. They haven't been the victims of unlawful discrimination, therefore they do not have a case.

Yes. The right to make a decision generally includes the right to make a bad decision.I'll rephrase: If they did, I'd not buy anything there again until they've apologized and urge everyone I know to do the same.

I'll rephrase: If they did, I'd not buy anything there again until they've apologized and urge everyone I know to do the same.

I thought I was agreeing with you, so not really sure what point you are making. But anyway... good for you.

I thought I was agreeing with you, so not really sure what point you are making. But anyway... good for you.Hm. I might be misinterpreting the "do" part of "What if they do"...

Hm. I might be misinterpreting the "do" part of "What if they do"...

It was a rhetorical question. Perhaps I should have asked: 'So what if they do?'

Not to say that the decision won't have consequences, only that they are entitled to make it.

What if they do? They are entitled to make that decision.

Okay. Customer: "I'd like a cake that says this [presents Arabic characters spelling, say, 'happy birthday aziz' or something]." Baker/Supervisor: We won't do that, it's too controversial.

Again, where the law says it is.

I'm guessing that you assume the "law" will defend the aforementioned Customer as well as the store's right to refuse?

What, precisely, is your problem with this?

Where are you seeing a problem? I didn't say that the Nazi morons HAD to be appeased (get it?), but rather that the best course of action would be to not give them anything to whine about, thus denying them attention. What's your problem with that? It's just an opinion.

The store and its staff have acted entirely within their rights. You seem to think that they should have waived those rights, in order to accommodate the wishes of some racist halfwits. Why?

Yes. You've made that point aBUNdantly clear. I got it two days ago. I don't think you're reading me right. Where did I say that the store had to waive any rights? You seem to be trying to paint me as some rights-thieveng Nazi sympathizer. Why?

Okay. Customer: "I'd like a cake that says this [presents Arabic characters spelling, say, 'happy birthday aziz' or something]." Baker/Supervisor: We won't do that, it's too controversial.

The store can do that if it wants, in the US or in any other country where any semblance of freedom exists. It might cost them some customers, but it's still their right.


I'm guessing that you assume the "law" will defend the aforementioned Customer as well as the store's right to refuse?.

No, because the aforementioned customer doesn't need to be defended.


Where are you seeing a problem? I didn't say that the Nazi morons HAD to be appeased (get it?), but rather that the best course of action would be to not give them anything to whine about, thus denying them attention. What's your problem with that? It's just an opinion.

My problem with your opinion is that it's based on a factually incorrect premise. Nobody has given these people anything to whine about, yet they are whining anyway.


Yes. You've made that point aBUNdantly clear. I got it two days ago. I don't think you're reading me right. Where did I say that the store had to waive any rights? You seem to be trying to paint me as some rights-thieveng Nazi sympathizer. Why?

Ok, you didn't say they had to waive any rights. Only that they ought to. And if I thought you were a Nazi sympathiser, I'd be quite happy to say so.

My problem with your opinion is that it's based on a factually incorrect premise. Nobody has given these people anything to whine about, yet they are whining anyway.

actually they (the store) did give them something to whine about. they didn't provide the cake to the customer's specifications and satisfaction.

People will Whine about anything. I had a customer demand that he be able to take a 50% off sticker off of a damaged book and put it on a brand new book that had minor damage. a 2mm fold in the corner of the cover. The Damaged book had a torn cover. he complained that it's the same book title and type (Paperback) so he should be able to move the Discount sticker because he didn't want to buy a book that had a torn cover. then he demanded some sort of discount for the creased corner. some people will whine about anything to get what they want.

I feel sorry for the kid....Honestly...


I think he'll get around to changing his name eventually, until then though, itll suck for him...:(

actually they (the store) did give them something to whine about. they didn't provide the cake to the customer's specifications and satisfaction.

Okay, I'll rephrase: 'Nobody has given these people anything legitimate to whine about, yet they are whining anyway.'


People will Whine about anything. I had a customer demand that he be able to take a 50% off sticker off of a damaged book and put it on a brand new book that had minor damage. a 2mm fold in the corner of the cover. The Damaged book had a torn cover. he complained that it's the same book title and type (Paperback) so he should be able to move the Discount sticker because he didn't want to buy a book that had a torn cover. then he demanded some sort of discount for the creased corner. some people will whine about anything to get what they want.

Bet that was an entertaining bit of cabaret. Did you give him the (extra) discount?

actually they (the store) did give them something to whine about. they didn't provide the cake to the customer's specifications and satisfaction.

And if the store would have demanded payment that would indeed be a reason to whine.
But hey- it didn't.

The store can do that if it wants, in the US or in any other country where any semblance of freedom exists. It might cost them some customers, but it's still their right.

Fair enough. They'll face a boycott, and that's what will turn them around.

No, because the aforementioned customer doesn't need to be defended.

That depends on the situation. Blacks not served at whites-only lunch counters DID need defending. And the law of the land, which was already in place to grant full citizenship to Blacks, didn't need augmenting, but it got augmented anyway.

My problem with your opinion is that it's based on a factually incorrect premise. Nobody has given these people anything to whine about, yet they are whining anyway.

That's not my premise. How can giving someone something to whine about be a premise in the first place? All I said was, you inflate the martyr complex of, and generate attention for the Nazi Douchebag Family by denying them their child's name, no matter how stupid, on a cake. Were I the manager, I'd have authorized it or scrawled it myself. No uproar, no story, no problem.

Ok, you didn't say they had to waive any rights. Only that they ought to. And if I thought you were a Nazi sympathiser, I'd be quite happy to say so.

I'm sure you would.

And if the store would have demanded payment that would indeed be a reason to whine.
But hey- it didn't.

Interesting thought:

"Sure, we'll make your cake, but only if you pay in Reichmarks."

Bet that would've flummoxed 'em.

That depends on the situation. Blacks not served at whites-only lunch counters DID need defending. And the law of the land, which was already in place to grant full citizenship to Blacks, didn't need augmenting, but it got augmented anyway.

Okay, fair enough. But the US civil rights movement was a product of its time. If it became commonplace for people to be denied goods and services because of their political views, that would be a serious issue. Happily, that's not yet the case.


That's not my premise. How can giving someone something to whine about be a premise in the first place? All I said was, you inflate the martyr complex of, and generate attention for the Nazi Douchebag Family by denying them their child's name, no matter how stupid, on a cake. Were I the manager, I'd have authorized it or scrawled it myself. No uproar, no story, no problem.

Yeah but... so what? Let them have their martyr complex. I hope they both cry themselves to sleep every night, thinking about the mean old cake counter staff who were so horrible to them.

I wonder what their fourth contribution to humanity will be named? "Final solution" is up for grabs!

Okay, fair enough. But the US civil rights movement was a product of its time. If it became commonplace for people to be denied goods and services because of their political views, that would be a serious issue. Happily, that's not yet the case.

I'm glad you've not had to deal with the "we don't serve your kind here" treatment before. But you're right, it may happen, but it's not yet commonplace.

Yeah but... so what? Let them have their martyr complex. I hope they both cry themselves to sleep every night, thinking about the mean old cake counter staff who were so horrible to them.

You're entitled to that hope, but it seems a waste of energy and makes you no better than they are to wish ill for them. I'm trying to expound a kind of Christ-like approach. You don't win converts with antagonism.

You're entitled to that hope, but it seems a waste of energy and makes you no better than they are to wish ill for them. I'm trying to expound a kind of Christ-like approach. You don't win converts with antagonism.

On the contrary, I'd argue that they are much worse people than me. Which is saying something, 'cos I aint that great.
I think bad people getting a bit upset about nothing is okay; they think the Third Reich was okay.
The two attitudes are only comparable in the same way that stepping on an ant is comparable with murder.

As for the Christ-like approach, I don't think it's helpful. People like this (and sadly I do have experience of dealing with vaguely similar people) like to believe that they represent the silent majority, and that loads of people would join their cause if only they heard about it / had the nerve / broke free of the evil Zionist conspiracy (delete as applicable).
If you co-operate with them, you encourage that belief. If you let them make idiots of themselves in front of a worldwide audience, you don't encourage that belief.

Okay, I'll rephrase: 'Nobody has given these people anything legitimate to whine about, yet they are whining anyway.' so if you order a vegitarian meal and get one containing meat and the resturant insists that you eat that or nothing else, wouldn't you whine? at least the store told him right off that they won't do it.

He has the right to whine about anything. but if they are stupid enough to air their grevances to the public... well the public has a right to comment on it. ;)

Bet that was an entertaining bit of cabaret. Did you give him the (extra) discount? can't. the individual stores cannot give such discounts outside of club memberships. I calmly and seriouly outlined the procedure to him. (bullshitting all the way) making it sound like it would take at least six weeks before we got the ok to give any such discounts.

then I took off the torn cover and showed him the hardbound cover that was underneath the torn one. when he saw the design was basically the same, he got the 50% off damaged book and said he will wrap it up without the torn cover.

the entertaining one was a cusomer that paid for her book ($5.20) all in pennies... of course it wasn't funny watching the poor co-worker count the pennies to make sure she had enough... :(

And if the store would have demanded payment that would indeed be a reason to whine.
But hey- it didn't.
some people like to have a whine with their purchase. :D

I wonder what their fourth contribution to humanity will be named? "Final solution" is up for grabs!

I say "Fouth Reich" Campbell
or
"Concentration" Campbell.

I say "Fouth Reich" Campbell
or
"Concentration" Campbell.

"Shower Swastika" Campbell ?
Shortened to S.S. of course.

"Shower Swastika" Campbell ?
Shortened to S.S. of course."Secret Service" Campbell?

so if you order a vegitarian meal and get one containing meat and the resturant insists that you eat that or nothing else, wouldn't you whine?

I guess. But I don't see much parallel between the real world situation and the hypothetical one you've just posed. What these characters have done is more like me ordering a lobster thermidor, then complaining that they don't want to put ketchup all over it. Even after they've handed me the bottle and invited me to pour it on myself.

He has the right to whine about anything. but if they are stupid enough to air their grevances to the public... well the public has a right to comment on it. ;)

My own views entirely.

I guess. But I don't see much parallel between the real world situation and the hypothetical one you've just posed. What these characters have done is more like me ordering a lobster thermidor, then complaining that they don't want to put ketchup all over it. Even after they've handed me the bottle and invited me to pour it on myself.


or ordering a burger with mustard but given a plain burger and a bottle of mustard.

damn... now I'm hungery... :(

Breakfast Time!

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