NationStates Jolt Archive

As usual the first thing I do, when I switch on my computer, is to take a look on wikipedia to look at who has died. However my eye was caught by the new articles section on the front page. In particular one about the LaRouche criminal trials. Now I have never heard of the LaRouche movement despite the fact they seem active in a large number of countries. Does anybody have any direct experience of them? They look as though they rival Scientology for creepy cultiness.

I think they've been on my campus once... That's about as far as I'll care for them.

Sounds like an own-brand Illuminati. What are they?

This is the wikipedia article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement

Apparently it's a group of people who follow some guy and his Political teachings or some such.

Personally, never heard of them.

This is the wikipedia article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement
Fuck that shit.

They've letterboxed me.

They are an American organisation set up by Lyndon La Rouche who believe that Jewish bankers run the world. They are also very down on the British royal family which puts them at odds with all the anti-semitic union jack waving types.

I think "fuck that shit" sums them up pretty well.

They are also very down on the British royal family which puts them at odds with all the anti-semitic union jack waving types.
We don't really have those :confused:

I thought the BNP might qualify.

In Australia we have the "League of Rights"

I thought the BNP might qualify.
Aye but outside of the stupider parts of Yorkshire, they're not really a particularly numerous group.

The who?

Aye but outside of the stupider parts of Yorkshire, they're not really a particularly numerous group.

What about Stoke? Berking? There's quite a few places.

It are guys who believe that "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" are for real?

What about Stoke? Berking? There's quite a few places.
Yeah, actually, I retract my previous statement and replace it with "wherever there are very thick plebs, there is sometimes a BNP presence".

To the tune of "There'll always be an England"

There'll always be a fascist where there's diversity
Wherever people look or speak or act quite differently!

There'll always be a racist
If flags divide the earth
There's always those who think they're great
Just from their place of birth!

Red, White and Blue
What do these colours do?
When you are dead, sick or unfed
Let's smash the State!

The Empire too it has a hold on you
But freedom remains - let's break the chains and liberate

There'll always be a fascist but we can make us free
If freedom means as much to you as freedom means to me!

They've letterboxed me.

They are an American organisation set up by Lyndon La Rouche who believe that Jewish bankers run the world. They are also very down on the British royal family which puts them at odds with all the anti-semitic union jack waving types.

I think "fuck that shit" sums them up pretty well.
oh oh arent they the "the queen is the worlds biggest drug dealer" people?

Yes - they are pretty wacky but they come across as more brownshirt than blackshirt (i.e. they have some thoughts on economic redistribution and they are now careful not to be explicitly racist, preferring "dog whistle politics, such as saying "And we know who control the banks, don't we?"

Yes - they are pretty wacky but they come across as more brownshirt than blackshirt (i.e. they have some thoughts on economic redistribution and they are now careful not to be explicitly racist, preferring "dog whistle politics, such as saying "And we know who control the banks, don't we?"
theyve been around forever. im not aware of them doing anything violent.

in my mind they are a group of nuts organized around larouche. mostly harmless.


i thought larouche was dead.

Larouche is apparently still alive (born on Set 8 1922, so he's getting very old)! No I don't think that most of his supporters are violent - just cranks. In 1973 "Mop Up" a group he allegedly controlled apparently engaged in violence against Trotskyists (but this account seems to be disputed in Wikipedia)
He came from a left-wing background. He funds election campaigns but attracts only a smallish group of followers (who like conspiracy theories).

As usual the first thing I do, when I switch on my computer, is to take a look on wikipedia to look at who has died. However my eye was caught by the new articles section on the front page. In particular one about the LaRouche criminal trials. Now I have never heard of the LaRouche movement despite the fact they seem active in a large number of countries. Does anybody have any direct experience of them? They look as though they rival Scientology for creepy cultiness.

You missed the early 1980s. He's been around with his freakiness for a long time.

Never heard of em.

You missed the early 1980s. He's been around with his freakiness for a long time.

I was around but, for reasons that probably belong in the drug rap sheet thread, I wasn't paying a lot of attention. Were they more prominent then? Wikipedia hints at all sorts even describing them as having the best private intelligence service in the world.

The LaRouchies have been around for a while, though their heyday seems to have been the 1980s. I remember Lyndon LaRouche himself getting quite a bit of publicity when I was living in the USA in the mid 80s. I think he may also have run for president as a registered Democrat against Carter in the 1980 US election, though I also vaguely remember that he was a member of the Socialist Workers Party (USA) for much of the 50s and 60s.

I believe he spent several years in prison from the late 80s, though I forget the reasons, and since then he's been your everyday bog standard conspiracy theorist with a fringe political party.

Here in my native UK, he was never as prominent, but imagine my surprise when - living in Australia from 2001 to 2007 - I discovered there was an active LaRouche movement political party, the Citizens Electoral Council (http://www.cecaust.com.au/)(linked).

The mind boggles.

Edit -

Choice quote from the CEC web page:

Lyndon and Helga Zepp LaRouche have just completed a visit to India to promote the Four Powers Alliance to defeat the British imperial drive for a new global dark age.

No wonder he never took off in Britain.

Edit the Second -

Did you know that there's a 'World-wide larouche youth movement' (http://wlym.com/drupal/). I'm not sure I wanted to know....

His real name (or at the least, the name he was using when he first became active) was Lyn Marcus. He was first noteworthy for the "Flying Squads" which attacked heretical Marxist gatherings: at that time he posed as a true believer in a particular orthodoxy of Marxism (Andaras Prime, for those who remember him) and incited his followers to beat up Trotskyites and other "diversionaries" who were sabotaging the revolutionary cause, etc. He maintained an apartment in Manhattan where followers were sent for months of indoctrination to become double-plus-good-duckspeakers, until a girl stuck in the apartment managed to send a "Help me!" paper airline out the window, and he got arrested for the first time, at least so far as is known. His quick release fueled rumors that he had always been an FBI agent infiltrating the left for disruption purposes.

He re-emerged as "LaRouche" in the 70's, and started habitually running for President every four years. At first he was funded by Saddam Hussein's Iraq, and his platform was mostly the run-of-the-mill Jewish-bankers-own-the-world conspiracy rhetoric. Then he started the Fusion Energy Foundation, which claimed that the secret to controlled fusion had already been discovered but was being hidden from us by a remarkable coalition of Big Oil and the Librul Media (Jane Fonda and Jack Lemmon were particularly attacked for "The China Syndrome", a movie about a nuclear-plant accident which came out just before Three Mile Island, "proof positive" that T.M.I. was a staged event and part of the leftist conspiracy to discredit fusion). It was in the 80's that he developed a new shtick, about the drug-dealer conspiracy (everybody who speaks about Larouche is now accused of being a drug dealer) run by the Windsor family (Britain fought the Opium War, you see, so that's where it all started).

He spent some time in jail for fund-raising fraud, which turned him into "The only candidate George Bush [Senior] fears enough to put in jail!" His tiresome drones make frequent appearances at my campus, haranguing passersby. It is difficult to tell what their theme is anymore, except that it is vitally important for the students they approach to drop out, drop everything, and work full time spreading the Larouche message: same theme as any old cult, that is to say.

I was around but, for reasons that probably belong in the drug rap sheet thread, I wasn't paying a lot of attention. Were they more prominent then? Wikipedia hints at all sorts even describing them as having the best private intelligence service in the world.

He founded several private foundations, one of which was devoted to the research into development of fusion energy (not a bad idea, even today), but all of the foundations were staffed by crazed cultists who thought LaRouche walked on water.

They used to hand out his literature in airports - I saw them as often as the Krishnas.

I wouldn't believe the intelligence service bit - that's just something he and his followers want you to believe.

Never heard of them.

He founded several private foundations, one of which was devoted to the research into development of fusion energy (not a bad idea, even today)
No, actually, he didn't fund any research, his foundation was all about spreading the word that fusion energy "already" existed if we could just overthrow the grand conspiracy hiding the truth from us.

No, actually, he didn't fund any research, his foundation was all about spreading the word that fusion energy "already" existed if we could just overthrow the grand conspiracy hiding the truth from us.

Not saying he funded anything, just put some foundations together.

We do have fusion energy available now. One source is the sun, and the other is thermonuclear bombs.

Not saying he funded anything, just put some foundations together.
But you claimed that one of his foundations was dedicated to research.
We do have fusion energy available now. One source is the sun, and the other is thermonuclear bombs.Larouche claimed that we had controlled fusion technology 30 years ago.

His real name (or at the least, the name he was using when he first became active) was Lyn Marcus. He was first noteworthy for the "Flying Squads" which attacked heretical Marxist gatherings: at that time he posed as a true believer in a particular orthodoxy of Marxism (Andaras Prime, for those who remember him) and incited his followers to beat up Trotskyites and other "diversionaries" who were sabotaging the revolutionary cause, etc. He maintained an apartment in Manhattan where followers were sent for months of indoctrination to become double-plus-good-duckspeakers, until a girl stuck in the apartment managed to send a "Help me!" paper airline out the window, and he got arrested for the first time, at least so far as is known. His quick release fueled rumors that he had always been an FBI agent infiltrating the left for disruption purposes.

He re-emerged as "LaRouche" in the 70's, and started habitually running for President every four years. At first he was funded by Saddam Hussein's Iraq, and his platform was mostly the run-of-the-mill Jewish-bankers-own-the-world conspiracy rhetoric. Then he started the Fusion Energy Foundation, which claimed that the secret to controlled fusion had already been discovered but was being hidden from us by a remarkable coalition of Big Oil and the Librul Media (Jane Fonda and Jack Lemmon were particularly attacked for "The China Syndrome", a movie about a nuclear-plant accident which came out just before Three Mile Island, "proof positive" that T.M.I. was a staged event and part of the leftist conspiracy to discredit fusion). It was in the 80's that he developed a new shtick, about the drug-dealer conspiracy (everybody who speaks about Larouche is now accused of being a drug dealer) run by the Windsor family (Britain fought the Opium War, you see, so that's where it all started).

He spent some time in jail for fund-raising fraud, which turned him into "The only candidate George Bush [Senior] fears enough to put in jail!" His tiresome drones make frequent appearances at my campus, haranguing passersby. It is difficult to tell what their theme is anymore, except that it is vitally important for the students they approach to drop out, drop everything, and work full time spreading the Larouche message: same theme as any old cult, that is to say.


What a loon. I wish his lackies would come to my campus. I like crazy people.

I thought the BNP might qualify.

In Australia we have the "League of Rights"


We also have the Citizen's Electoral Council which are LaRouche followers. They are some scary shite. They hand out newspapers at Central train station in the city every so often. The content scares me more than the Christian fundy and his pamphlets promoting ID.