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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081215/pl_afp/usattacksguantanamocheney

Yup. He's not only admitting he approved waterboarding, he's GLOATING ABOUT IT.

He SPECIFICALLY said the war on a noun is open-ended.

He wants to keep Gitmo open.

How the hell did you elect this... this demon?

This is news? o_0;;;

How the hell did you elect this... this demon?I certainly didn't.

This is news? o_0;;;

Shoulda made the subject "Cheney OFFICIALLY hates all living things"...

This should suprise no one.

I love how he talks about 30 people who were released being rearrested. How many who were released stayed innocent? A lot more.

This should suprise no one.

I love how he talks about 30 people who were released being rearrested. How many who were released stayed innocent? A lot more.

Also, how many of those were rearrested DUE TO developing a pretty understandable desire for revenge after being unfairly held?

This should suprise no one.

Okay, OKAY, I get it, Cheney's evil is widely known, sorry. :p

Cheney was elected because, when you're President is a Bush, you really need Dick in the Oval Office.

And all living things hate Cheney.

The circle of life and all that...

Cheney was elected because, when you're President is a Bush, you really need Dick in the Oval Office.

The Todd, ladies and gentlemen!

And all living things hate Cheney.

The circle of life and all that...
I don't. I think he's a lovable goof and eagerly anticipate his future antics.

And all living things hate Cheney.
Personally, I admire Cheney for his never-ceasing work in protecting American interests. Thank God someone has the balls to, let's be honest. You want a guy who's going to lie down when that great nation is attacked? Go ahead. But don't be sorry in a couple of years when the denizens of Pooristan are pissing on your chips in Iraq, and stopping the US from excercising its power by guilt about how wealthy the nation is alone.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081215/pl_afp/usattacksguantanamocheney

Yup. He's not only admitting he approved waterboarding, he's GLOATING ABOUT IT.

What's wong with waterboarding? Oh no, a bunch of evil bastards are unconfortable. Why should I want people that would kill me over me not believing as they do, be comfortable.

He SPECIFICALLY said the war on a noun is open-ended.

No, shit? Terrorism has always been there and always will. However, the way we're fighting the war on terror isn't very smart and will not end well. If we really want to fight Islamic terrorism, drop bacon, aborted fetuses, and same-sex marriage permitts on them.

He wants to keep Gitmo open.
And? Don't just keep it open, expand it.

How the hell did you elect this... this demon?

We didn't. We elected the President, not the vice president. Don't you know how the American election system works?

What's wong with waterboarding? Oh no, a bunch of evil bastards are unconfortable. Why should I want people that would kill me over me not believing as they do, be comfortable.

Prove to me that ALL of the people waterboarded are like you describe or this argument RINGS HOLLOW!

Prove to me that ALL of the people waterboarded are like you describe or this argument RINGS HOLLOW!

Easy. Only real terrorists are sent to Gitmo. We send the dissidents to other countries.

Easy. Only real terrorists are sent to Gitmo. We send the dissidents to other countries.

So, are you trolling, joking, insane, or... limited in your thought process abilities?

What's wong with waterboarding? Oh no, a bunch of evil bastards are unconfortable. Why should I want people that would kill me over me not believing as they do, be comfortable.


It isnt about comfort. Its about human rights. And the law. But hey, lets just ignore all that so that we can be at their level.


No, shit? Terrorism has always been there and always will. However, the way we're fighting the war on terror isn't very smart and will not end well. If we really want to fight Islamic terrorism, drop bacon, aborted fetuses, and same-sex marriage permitts on them.


And that would do what exactly?

And? Don't just keep it open, expand it.

To where? And Im afraid you'll disappointed, the president elect, last I heard, planned on closing it.

We didn't. We elected the President, not the vice president.

But, we have, in very recent history, not elected someone as president because of who their VP was.

Don't you know how the American election system works?

Dont you know how the Constitution works?

I don't. I think he's a lovable goof and eagerly anticipate his future antics.

I dont know what other kind of shenanigans he can get himself into. Which is why he is probably going public with all the shenanigans he has already done.

At least he's honest...I guess we now have an honest politician on our hands.

I mean, everyone else in the various governments involved in the war against terrorism de facto condones waterboarding but they'll still pretend to oppose it by protesting formally about it, maybe file some meaningless complaints and then give a good old thumbs up whenever a terrorist or other unpleasant character is hauled off to Gitmo or Syria for some one-on-one with the CIA and friends.

What's wong with waterboarding? Oh no, a bunch of evil bastards are unconfortable. Why should I want people that would kill me over me not believing as they do, be comfortable.

I'm sure you would support such actions in other investigations then such as those carried out by police?



No, shit? Terrorism has always been there and always will. However, the way we're fighting the war on terror isn't very smart and will not end well. If we really want to fight Islamic terrorism, drop bacon, aborted fetuses, and same-sex marriage permitts on them.

Yes...because further isolation and reasons to piss terrorists are needed.


And? Don't just keep it open, expand it.

Why stop there? Let's just destroy the Geneva convention!



We didn't. We elected the President, not the vice president. Don't you know how the American election system works?

Technically...

At least he's honest...I guess we now have an honest politician on our hands.

I mean, everyone else in the various governments involved in the war against terrorism de facto condones waterboarding but they'll still pretend to oppose it by protesting formally about it, maybe file some meaningless complaints and then give a good old thumbs up whenever a terrorist or other unpleasant character is hauled off to Gitmo or Syria for some one-on-one with the CIA and friends.

It only took him 8 years in office to be honest, but at least he's honest. :tongue:

I mean, everyone else in the various governments involved in the war against terrorism de facto condones waterboarding

How so? Many are actively fighting to end the practice.

Dont you know how the Constitution works?

Ya, but it hasn't been used in 8 years anyway, why start now?

How so? Many are actively fighting to end the practice.

And how many have actually achieved anything? None, because nobody capable of exercising real power on any side really wants it to end, presumably because it works well enough to justify wasting the time and effort to keep it secret and to spend the money contracting it out to other countries. Protesting it looks good and since there's no real chance of any actual way to end it other than domestic legislation (assuming the CIA follows the law, which is a joke in itself), it means they can reap the benefits while still showing a humane face.

Frankly, most of them would probably condone a whole lot more torture if they could get away with it but since waterboarding and other techniques appear to be effective and marginally legal, they're the methods of choice.

Ya, but it hasn't been used in 8 years anyway, why start now?

Let me get this straight....because one president used the Constitution as a cum rag, our next president should too?

Ya, but it hasn't been used in 8 years anyway, why start now?

It has been used as kindle for those cold nights at the white house.

Let me get this straight....because one president used the Constitution as a cum rag, our next president should too?

YOu are talking about Clinton right?

Let me get this straight....because one president used the Constitution as a cum rag, our next president should too?

Nothing is going to change. He's just another politician. He promises to change but keeps the status quo. Its how you get elected. Its been that way since the origins of democracy.

And how many have actually achieved anything? None, because nobody capable of exercising real power on any side really wants it to end,

The only person with the power to end it is the president.

presumably because it works well enough to justify wasting the time and effort to keep it secret and to spend the money contracting it out to other countries.

CIA and other experts has said it doesnt work, so I bleieve, with all do respect, that you presume wrong.

Protesting it looks good and since there's no real chance of any actual way to end it other than domestic legislation (assuming the CIA follows the law, which is a joke in itself), it means they can reap the benefits while still showing a humane face.

Frankly, most of them would probably condone a whole lot more torture if they could get away with it but since waterboarding and other techniques appear to be effective and marginally legal, they're the methods of choice.


Pure speculation, which I disagree with.

Nothing is going to change. He's just another politician. He promises to change but keeps the status quo. Its how you get elected. Its been that way since the origins of democracy.

We'll see. I have faith in the Constitutional lawyer who got visibly passionate about ending our current practices and closing Gitmo.

The only person with the power to end it is the president.

Last time I checked, the president doesn't have the power to tell people in other countries to stop doing something. The only way would be to bomb them, but I doubt Obama would resort to something like that over something as minor as this.

Let me get this straight....because one president used the Constitution as a cum rag, our next president should too?
One president :D

You must be fucking kidding me, the ink was hardly dry before it started being ignored.

One president :D

You must be fucking kidding me, the ink was hardly dry before it started being ignored.

And besides, its more a set of guidelines rather than actual rules.

And besides, its more a set of guidelines rather than actual rules.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're joking.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're joking.

I was kinda joking. But honestly, its been applied selectively by each adminstration to suit its needs. Its the way it works.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081215/pl_afp/usattacksguantanamocheney

Yup. He's not only admitting he approved waterboarding, he's GLOATING ABOUT IT.

He SPECIFICALLY said the war on a noun is open-ended.

He wants to keep Gitmo open.

How the hell did you elect this... this demon?

I didn't. I elected Al Gore and John Kerry. Hell, I took one look at the fact that Bush was running (the first time) and thought to myself "Well SHIT, if we elect him he's going to want to finish daddies war!"

I didn't. I elected Al Gore and John Kerry. Hell, I took one look at the fact that Bush was running (the first time) and thought to myself "Well SHIT, if we elect him he's going to want to finish daddies war!"

Picky semantics question: can you say you actually "elected" Al Gore and John Kerry if they didn't win? "Voted for," yes, but I thought a single person could not elect someone, that the electorate as a whole had to.
I bring it up only because people who didn't vote for George Bush often try to make it abundantly clear that they're not to blame (which is mostly true). But I think you can't get around the fact that the electorate you're part of did elect George Bush at least once.

Last time I checked, the president doesn't have the power to tell people in other countries to stop doing something. The only way would be to bomb them, but I doubt Obama would resort to something like that over something as minor as this.

We are not talking internationally, or at least Im not.

One president :D

You must be fucking kidding me, the ink was hardly dry before it started being ignored.

Oh yeah, because I meant one and only one:rolleyes:


I meant "one" as in a general "someone who isnt the president elect". Believe it or not, I know my own country's history.

As well as many other's.

I meant "one" as in a general "someone who isnt the president elect". Believe it or not, I know my own country's history.
That's an incredibly bullshit reply, gz.

That's an incredibly bullshit reply, gz.

I'm allergic to bullshit. I get the worst breakouts.

That's an incredibly bullshit reply, gz.

Oh, youre right, you caught me. Im utterly ignorant to American history and had no idea that by the third president of the US, the Constitution was being ignored at times.:rolleyes:


Seriously...

Oh, youre right, you caught me. Im utterly ignorant to American history and had no idea that by the third president of the US, the Constitution was being ignored at times.:rolleyes:

Seriously...
Eh no, you are however so anti-Bush that you trotted out a completely bullshit statement without thinking. This is Also Bad.

Eh no, you are however so anti-Bush that you trotted out a completely bullshit statement without thinking. This is Also Bad.

What completely bullshit statement? One president, George Bush, ignores the Constitution completelly.


Whats bullshit about that? It was a one or the other scenario. Regardless of your desire you have me in a "gotcha lolz" statement, what I said was correct, unless you read into it in such a manner as to try and make me "wrong".

How the hell did you elect this... this demon?

Don't be insulting demons so much.

That said I hope he dies in a shipwreck. I think drowning would be a fitting end for him.

And besides, its more a set of guidelines rather than actual rules.

Kinda like the Bible.

Picky semantics question: can you say you actually "elected" Al Gore and John Kerry if they didn't win? "Voted for," yes, but I thought a single person could not elect someone, that the electorate as a whole had to.
I bring it up only because people who didn't vote for George Bush often try to make it abundantly clear that they're not to blame (which is mostly true). But I think you can't get around the fact that the electorate you're part of did elect George Bush at least once.

"Elected" works for Gore, but not Kerry.

Of course Cheney hates living things. It's a natural reaction to undeath.

The solution is to just start throwing shoes. Once a President or VP gets pelted by enough footwear they will start getting the hint and stop being stupid. See how long they keep up an illegal wiretap program after a week or two of raining footware.

Poetic justice is if they kept guantanamo bay open but only limited the inmates to Dubya, Cheney, Blagojevich, etc.

I somehow doubt we'll get that, however, so let's close that shameful place.

And Heikoku, I voted for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. So did my state and every state adjacent to it.

The solution is to just start throwing shoes. Once a President or VP gets pelted by enough footwear they will start getting the hint and stop being stupid. See how long they keep up an illegal wiretap program after a week or two of raining footware.

Cheney would retaliate with buckshot.

Prove to me that ALL of the people waterboarded are like you describe or this argument RINGS HOLLOW!

Even if they were all like how he described, it still wouldn't justify waterboarding them.

Cheney would retaliate with buckshot.

Throw more shoes to adsorb the shot

How the hell did you elect this... this demon?

I didn't.

Waterboard him sometime.

Even if they were all like how he described, it still wouldn't justify waterboarding them.

I'm aware, but I figured I could do the more specific move first.

And Heikoku, I voted for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. So did my state and every state adjacent to it.

You "Americans". :p

Got a spare shoe to throw at him? The French developed a game that has Bush ducking as many shoes as he can.

You "Americans". :p

You "Brazilians".

I heard he even punches kittens right in the face.

In previous wars the United States has "always exercised the right to capture the enemy and then hold them till the end of the conflict. That's what we did in World War II with, you know, thousands, hundreds of thousands of German prisoners," Cheney said.

"The same basic principle ought to apply here in terms of our right to capture the enemy and hold them.
Oh, so it's a war? Geneva convention says stop torturing them. Not a war? Constitution says stop torturing them.

STOP TORTURING PEOPLE, DAMN IT.

Cheney would retaliate with buckshot.
You don't need to worry if Cheney is pointing a gun at you. You need to worry if Cheney is pointing a gun at the guy beside you.
I heard he even punches kittens right in the face.

And dickslaps puppies.

And dickslaps puppies.

You, sir, have been sigged.

You, sir, have been sigged.

One f, two n's. :)

One f, two n's. :)

:(
My memory sucks.

What's wong with waterboarding? Oh no, a bunch of evil bastards are unconfortable. Why should I want people that would kill me over me not believing as they do, be comfortable.
Unless you can prove that they actually ARE terrorists in the first place, this argument means nothing.