NationStates Jolt Archive

No, I wasn't serious, although I might be soon. We literally do need to march on the Australian Parliament and DBCDE HQ.

When Senator Conroy literally accuses Senator Ludlum of being pro-child pornography for not supporting the insane Internet filtering scheme in its entirety -- "Senator Ludlum ... Senator Ludlum, it looks to me as if you are suggesting that the people of Australia should have access to child pornography. I hope you are not suggesting that" -- I go fucking batshit insane.

What do we do?

Whine impotently. You can waste money doing it in real life, or do it on the internet at low, low prices.

I'd rather do it in real life. Senator Conroy can actually see the kind of people arrayed against him then.

Not that I'm anything to speak of, but I'm sure some of those opposing the legislation are. And it should provide a nice case study in just how widely he's opposed.

Typical bullshit scare mongering from the ALP, relying on fears that have been pent up by the media.

Of course what that must mean is that Senator Ludlum must also be a strong supporter of euthanasia as the government wants to include sites on that issue in the ban as well.

Kos, do you think that Senator Conroy or the ALP give a fuck what the people think? They will only change their mind if the media starts opposing it more thoroughly.

Probably not. As such, we march on Parliament House on Christmas day.

THIS WILL BE A GOOD DAY TO DIE!

The more people with the "THIS WILL BE A GOOD DAY TO DIE" attitude, the less successful your march will be. Having a march/rally/protest turn into something that needs to be subdued by police in riot gear with tear gas is basically handing the people you're protesting against carte blanche to label the lot of you as nutcases or dangerous radicals or some such.

Typical bullshit scare mongering from the ALP, relying on fears that have been pent up by the media.

Of course what that must mean is that Senator Ludlum must also be a strong supporter of euthanasia as the government wants to include sites on that issue in the ban as well. <snip>

(emphasis added)


I'm not in favour of the mandatory filter, but let's stick to what the government's actually planning. There's plenty to object to in that; there's no need to exaggerate it.

Euthanasia sites, adult sites and gambling sites have all been mentioned as possible targets for the mandatory part of the the filtering, but not by the ALP.

It was Family First's Senator Fielding who called for the banning of hardcore porn and fetish sites, the Independent Senator Xenophon who wants gambling sites included and the Greens' Senator Ludlam who said he was worried that the legislation might be broad enough to allow euthanasia sites to be blocked. (Sydney Morning Herald (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/family-first-demands-wider-internet-filters/2008/10/27/1224955948624.html)). Ludlam also suggested that some diet sites might be targetted.

GetUp (https://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet&id=474?dc=594,195406,1) has begun a campaign. Urging your union to oppose it is another way to get the point across. So is emailing your MPs and Senators, whatever party they're in.

But if you get your facts wrong you give the government a chance to dismiss all objections, not just yours, as "typical bullshit scare mongering from the Libs" -- or the media, or the ISPs, or Nocleanfeed (http://nocleanfeed.com/), or whatever scapegoat's fashionable.

Xenophon - that's a strange sounding name.

Xenophon - that's a strange sounding name.

:hail:

Does a bilingual pun make you a Geek bearing linguistic gifts?

I'm just grateful his name's not Xenoeros.

:hail:

Does a bilingual pun make you a Geek bearing linguistic gifts?

I'm just grateful his name's not Xenoeros.

Unfortunately just a geek - so nothing to beware

What do we do?

Ask the US to invade to "restore democracy". then see how Fed up your country can be made.

Xenophon - that's a strange sounding name.

It was orginally Xenophou.

(emphasis added)

I'm not in favour of the mandatory filter, but let's stick to what the government's actually planning. There's plenty to object to in that; there's no need to exaggerate it.

Euthanasia sites, adult sites and gambling sites have all been mentioned as possible targets for the mandatory part of the the filtering, but not by the ALP.

It was Family First's Senator Fielding who called for the banning of hardcore porn and fetish sites, the Independent Senator Xenophon who wants gambling sites included and the Greens' Senator Ludlam who said he was worried that the legislation might be broad enough to allow euthanasia sites to be blocked. (Sydney Morning Herald (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/family-first-demands-wider-internet-filters/2008/10/27/1224955948624.html)). Ludlam also suggested that some diet sites might be targetted.

Point accepted it is the Australian government and not the ALP that is pushing this through, however, as the ALP has the numbers in the lower house to allow this to go through and will be the ones in charge of getting the independents to come to their side and kowtowing to them to get it passed. This is also apart of the platform of the ALP (and being in control of the executive arm) to censor our internet and so they too must take responsibility for this as well.

Bloody Nick Xenophon, he has already caused gambling to become worse in SA and now we see that he doesn't care about people's liberties either and will be willing to ban all gambling sites.

GetUp (https://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet&id=474?dc=594,195406,1) has begun a campaign. Urging your union to oppose it is another way to get the point across. So is emailing your MPs and Senators, whatever party they're in.

But if you get your facts wrong you give the government a chance to dismiss all objections, not just yours, as "typical bullshit scare mongering from the Libs" -- or the media, or the ISPs, or Nocleanfeed (http://nocleanfeed.com/), or whatever scapegoat's fashionable.

Yes, good point.

why not just screw with the filtering...*posts CP on NS to see what happens*

we march on Parliament House on Christmas day.

when its shut? :p

Ask the US to invade to "restore democracy". then see how Fed up your country can be made.

I thought it was already in the US

when its shut? :p

The parliament shut down for Christmas on the 4th December and won't reopen until the 3rd of February.

Whine impotently. You can waste money doing it in real life, or do it on the internet at low, low prices.

lol, you win cookie.

*gives cheap, cheap internet cookie*

The parliament shut down for Christmas on the 4th December and won't reopen until the 3rd of February.

well the thing is:

1) people are rather busy on Christmas and will be watching the Queens speech like all god-fearing Englishmen

2) the police will probably think your all Muslim or something and deport you :p

well the thing is:

1) people are rather busy on Christmas and will be watching the Queens speech like all god-fearing Englishmen

2) the police will probably think your all Muslim or something and deport you :p

Yeah true :tongue:, my point was that parliament shuts down for two months anyway.

Not that I would be marching anywhere on Christmas day.

:hail:

Does a bilingual pun make you a Geek bearing linguistic gifts?

I'm just grateful his name's not Xenoeros.

Does Xenoeros hold a doctorate?

Point accepted it is the Australian government and not the ALP that is pushing this through, <snip>This is also apart of the platform of the ALP (and being in control of the executive arm) to censor our internet and so they too must take responsibility for this as well.

I'm not trying to make some obscure point about the difference between the executive and the political arm. It's undeniably the ALP that's trying to make the filter mandatory. This is what the platform said, and it doesn't leave Conroy much wriggle room that I can see:

That is why Labor will:
�� Provide a mandatory ‘clean feed’ internet service for all homes, schools and public computers that are used by Australian children. Internet Service Providers (ISPs) will filter out content that is identified as prohibited by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA). The ACMA ‘blacklist’ will be made more comprehensive to ensure that children are protected from harmful and inappropriate online material.

Link (http://www.alp.org.au/download/now/labors_plan_for_cyber_safety.pdf)

It's the bolded bits that bother me, particularly the lack of detail on who watches the ACMA watchers.

On top of that, it's a bloody silly move politically, because it will piss off a lot of the young people whom they could have had sewn up for life (on the basis that, statistically, the party a person first voted for becomes their "default" vote when they're not focussed on a particular issue).

It was orginally Xenophou.

Yeah, but Xenophou doesn't lend itself to the pun: xenos=strange, phone=sound, Xenophon=strange-sounding.

Does Xenoeros hold a doctorate?

Absolutely, he got it in a Sellers market.:tongue: (Xenophon himself, regrettably, is a lawyer.)

I fully support the idea of doing everything practical to oppose the internet filter. This is why we need a Bill of Rights - to prevent our governments from making this a reality. What scares me is that noone has access to the full list of so-called 'black sites' that Senator Conroy in particular and the Labor Government in general seem to have a Father-Knows-Best mentality which sickens me completely. Just look at our very own sin tax on alcopops.

I get very scared in this country when governments propose this sort of thing, because unlike the US, we don't have a Bill of Rights or other protection against censorship or for free speech. Combined with the general attitude of Australians (she'll be right, mate), it paves the way for Government to impose whatever restrictions they like on free expression and free speech.

If I've read the efp site right, viewing pornography will no longer be legal in Australia simply because the Government hasn't seen fit to rate it. Should be fun watching the resulting riots. :P

I recommend "Get Up". It's an online lobby group.
They are againsyt this crappy internet filter idea too.

Here's the Get Up! website for this issue:

http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet/442

I'm not trying to make some obscure point about the difference between the executive and the political arm. It's undeniably the ALP that's trying to make the filter mandatory. This is what the platform said, and it doesn't leave Conroy much wriggle room that I can see:



Link (http://www.alp.org.au/download/now/labors_plan_for_cyber_safety.pdf)

It's the bolded bits that bother me, particularly the lack of detail on who watches the ACMA watchers.

On top of that, it's a bloody silly move politically, because it will piss off a lot of the young people whom they could have had sewn up for life (on the basis that, statistically, the party a person first voted for becomes their "default" vote when they're not focussed on a particular issue).

Well quite, it is a worry for a few reasons and hopefully enough people and the media kick up enough of a shit about this if they continue this. Come on Chaser bys you said you would do the same to the ALP if you get the chance now do it.

Yeah, but Xenophou doesn't lend itself to the pun: xenos=strange, phone=sound, Xenophon=strange-sounding.

It's all Greek to me :tongue:

I see so one has to know Greek first before understanding that joke.

Absolutely, he got it in a Sellers market.:tongue: (Xenophon himself, regrettably, is a lawyer.)

And this might be another one.

I see so one has to know Greek first before understanding that joke.


You should hear my Sanskrit material

You should hear my Sanskrit material

A barrel of laughs I'm sure.

A few more websites for those who are against the erosion of freedoms by the government.

http://nocensorship.info/main/

http://www.dlc.asn.au/

http://www.efa.org.au/