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Looks like Varg is in Alaska (there is only one person on this board that I know with 100% certianty will get that).

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/12/13/2008-12-13_suspicious_fire_burns_alaska_gov_sarah_p.html

A suspicious fire has torn through the church attended by Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who apologized if the blaze was related to her White House run.

Palin, Republican John McCain's running mate, was not at the church during the Friday night fire that caused about $1 million damage.

A small group of women and children were in the Wasilla Bible Church doing crafts when the blaze was set at the building's entrance. The group escaped when a fire alarm sounded, Pastor Larry Kroon said.

Palin spokesman Bill McAllister said the governor visited Saturday and "told an assistant pastor that she apologizes if the incident is in any way connected to the undeserved negative attention the church has received since she became a vice presidential candidate on Aug. 29."

The church draws as many as 1,000 worshipers on a Sunday.


If someone was hurt, itd be tragic.

But since no one was, its hilarious.

Must've been witchcraft. *nod*

Must've been witchcraft. *nod*

Couldnt have been. They have blessings to protect against that kind of thing.

Hard to blame whoever set the fire. I mean, it's fucking cold up there.

Does anyone think this might be an act of God? Get back to Palin for spreading lies about him? :tongue:

Couldnt have been. They have blessings to protect against that kind of thing.

No no no... remember the Anti-Witchcraft Prayer was laid upon Caribou Barbie. The Witch Smeller Pursuivant did nothing to apply it to her church.

Looks like Varg is in Alaska (there is only one person on this board that I know with 100% certianty will get that).

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/12/13/2008-12-13_suspicious_fire_burns_alaska_gov_sarah_p.html



If someone was hurt, itd be tragic.

But since no one was, its hilarious.

Not even going to comment on the bolded part. However, it is ironic that Palin who incited so much hatred against Obama, had this happened to her.

I guess her chickens have coming home to roost.

Couldnt have been. They have blessings to protect against that kind of thing.

It protected her, didn't say anything about family, friends, employees, or anything related to her.

Man that preacher was short sighted about that wasn't he?

Arson is funny how? So was it hilarious when the black churches were torched?

It would have been funny if it was flooded out or a lightning strike took it out.

Arson is funny how? So was it hilarious when the black churches were torched?

It would have been funny if it was flooded out or a lightning strike took it out.

Oh comon BF, it's funny because Palin is on the other team, politically, so it's funny when bad things happen to them!

Arson is funny how? So was it hilarious when the black churches were torched?

1. Arson is not proven. The fire is "suspicious", that is all.

2. If the black person responsible for the arson had been dredging up a race war, it would have been funny.

Oh comon BF, it's funny because Palin is on the other team, politically, so it's funny when bad things happen to them!

I get it, so if someone set fire to your house that would be funny too, right?

I get it, so if someone set fire to your house that would be funny too, right?

1. I was being sarcastic.

2. No, and if that happens, I know who I'm going to talk to first.

I get it, so if someone set fire to your house that would be funny too, right?

I dont think Wilgrove is serious. He's trying (and failing) to guess at my motiviation, and is being trying (and failing) to be snarky.

Oh comon BF, it's funny because Palin is on the other team, politically, so it's funny when bad things happen to them!

Well. I was in a fire when I was a kid so I don't smile at such jokes....

1. I was being sarcastic.

2. No, and if that happens, I know who I'm going to talk to first.

As was I.

Oh comon BF, it's funny because Palin is on the other team, politically, so it's funny when bad things happen to them!

Nothing bad actually happened to Palin. Which is why I don't find this funny.

Well. I was in a fire when I was a kid so I don't smile at such jokes....

Did you spend months of your life demonizing your politcally enemies, inciting race riots, having crowds calling for the death of innocent men, and saying your political enemies were "terrorists" (or "paled around with them") or not "real Americans"?

If not, your situations are not comparable, as she brought this on her community. And since no one was hurt...


And for fucks sake, arson isnt even proven.

Nothing bad actually happened to Palin. Which is why I don't find this funny.

Well that depends on what you define as bad. Maybe being responsible for the destruction of something that your friends and neighbors are involved in, that they may resent you for the rest of your life for, sounds kind of bad to me, but hey we are all open to our opinions, right?

I dont think Wilgrove is serious. He's trying (and failing) to guess at my motiviation, and is being trying (and failing) to be snarky.

Oh I don't have to guess, you pretty much handed your motivation to me on a sliver platter.

Did you spend months of your life demonizing your politcally enemies, inciting race riots, having crowds calling for the death of innocent men, and saying your political enemies were "terrorists" (or "paled around with them") or not "real Americans"?

If so, your situations are not comparable, as she brought this on her community. And since no one was hurt...


And for fucks sake, arson isnt even proven.

and I thought H2 was bad when he wouldn't shut up about some forum or chatroom disagreeing with him on the Iraq War...

Well. I was in a fire when I was a kid so I don't smile at such jokes....

Ahh, I'm sorry to hear that, you can haz cheesecake.

As was I.

Ahh, sarcasm does not translate well in written form. :(

Nothing bad actually happened to Palin. Which is why I don't find this funny.

So if something bad did happen to her, you'd find it funny?

Oh comon BF, it's funny because Palin is on the other team, politically, so it's funny when bad things happen to them!

But did it happen to Palim or affect other people who she knew.

Oh I don't have to guess, you pretty much handed your motivation to me on a sliver platter.

It has nothing to do with her being an ideological opposite and everything to do with her being a vile human being.


and I thought H2 was bad when he wouldn't shut up about some forum or chatroom disagreeing with him on the Iraq War...


Yes, because an internet disagreement is exactly the same as inciting race riots and sturring up ugly feelings that were best laid to rest in this country. And they have the exact same real world implications. Are you seriously going to make this arguement?

This new high and mighty attitude of yours is obnoxious and unbecoming.

EDIT: And seriously, the big thing here is she brought this on herself. "Oh my, I demonized my enemies, divided the country, and opened up serious, ugly wounds in my quest for power, but I didnt expect people to retaliate dontcha know?" *wink*

Well that depends on what you define as bad. Maybe being responsible for the destruction of something that your friends and neighbors are involved in, that they may resent you for the rest of your life for, sounds kind of bad to me, but hey we are all open to our opinions, right?

You forget that Christians of Palin's type tend to have a persecution complex. Somewhere deep inside they probably enjoy being victimized in a way that harms no one and is covered by insurance. It brings them together as a community.

This new high and mighty attitude of yours is obnoxious and unbecoming.

Well excuse me if I don't find arson that could've killed people funny. Or I'm cheering when something bad happens to other people just because they're religious or political ideology is different from mine. I do keep in mind that despite our differences, we are all fucking human being, and should treat each other as such.

You forget that Christians of Palin's type tend to have a persecution complex. Somewhere deep inside they probably enjoy being victimized in a way that harms no one and is covered by insurance. It brings them together as a community.

Yes, because children just love being scared to death, when the building they are in is set on fire. I for one, can't get enough of it.

You forget that Christians of Palin's type tend to have a persecution complex. Somewhere deep inside they probably enjoy being victimized in a way that harms no one and is covered by insurance. It brings them together as a community.

Don't forget if they find out who did it, FOXNews will try to spin the offender as a GayLiberalMuslim.

Well excuse me if I don't find arson that could've killed people funny.

But it didnt kill people. Hence, funny. Its like when you almost get in a car accident because you were checking out the girl in the car next to you, but you manage to avoid an accident. Its funny after the fact cause no one got hurt.

Or I'm cheering when something bad happens to other people just because they're religious or political ideology is different from mine.

Again with this tripe? Let me say it again for you.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES, AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HER BEING A VILE HUMAN BEING.

I do keep in mind that despite our differences, we are all fucking human being, and should treat each other as such.

Youre sermon aside, I see you ignored the rest of my post. Probably for the best.

But it didnt kill people. Hence, funny. Its like when you almost get in a car accident because you were checking out the girl in the car next to you, but you manage to avoid an accident. Its funny after the fact cause no one got hurt.



Again with this tripe? Let me say it again for you.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES, AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HER BEING A VILE HUMAN BEING.



Youre sermon aside, I see you ignored the rest of my post. Probably for the best.

Okay, so a person can go around shooting at someone else, and it's okay as long as no one dies, and the person they are shooting at is a vile human being. We don't need to worry about how lives of others are endangered, this is a vile human being we are talking about!

EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HER BEING A VILE HUMAN BEING.

Ok, name one way she's a "vile human being" without using her role in Mc.Cain campaign in '08, or anything political.

As an aside, I love how everyone is just assuming this is arson. The fact that Alaskian officals say they think the fire was "suspicious" is all we have to go on.


But Im sure Palin loves that youre living out her persecution complex for her. It must have been those Eastern Elitests!

Ok, name one way she's a "vile human being" without using her role in Mc.Cain campaign in '08, or anything political.

No. Why should I have to? She behaved in such a manner as to indicate that she is an awful person.

She is an awful person because she sturred up racist sentiment and fueled flames that resulted in death threats being made to an innocent man. You dont just disregard that because she was campaigning.

Name one reason Stalin was an awful person without refering to anything he did as leader of Russia. See how fucking abusrd that demand is?

So if something bad did happen to her, you'd find it funny?

Of course it depends on exactly how bad it is. But there's lots of things that I normally find sad or unfortunate that would be funny if they happened to Palin. Getting sold a knockoff X-box for seventy GBP, for example.

Ok, name one way she's a "vile human being" without using her role in Mc.Cain campaign in '08, or anything political.

Charging Alaskan women for rape kits.

As an aside, I love how everyone is just assuming this is arson. The fact that Alaskian officals say they think the fire was "suspicious" is all we have to go on.


But Im sure Palin loves that youre living out her persecution complex for her. It must have been those Eastern Elitests!

Once again, sorry if I don't find this situation, or any of it, funny.

No. Why should I have to? She behaved in such a manner as to indicate that she is an awful person.

She is an awful person because she sturred up racist sentiment and fueled flames that resulted in death threats being made to an innocent man. You dont just disregard that because she was campaigning.

Name one reason Stalin was an awful person without refering to anything he did as leader of Russia. See how fucking abusrd that demand is?

Then, I have no choice but to assume that your motives are political.

Once again, sorry if I don't find this situation, or any of it, funny.

I dont give a rats ass if you dont find it funny. Thats not the issue. Your superiority complex is.

Charging Alaskan women for rape kits.

Touche...that is a dick move. Now if Gauthier made fun of this, I still would condemn him/her but at least he/she wouldn't be doing it because she has an (R) in front of her name.

Then, I have no choice but to assume that your motives are political.

Then, I have no choice but to assume you are incapable of seeing logic and are seeing just what you want to see. Which is just par for the course for you.

Touche...that is a dick move. Now if Gauthier made fun of this, I still would condemn him/her but at least he/she wouldn't be doing it because she has an (R) in front of her name.

The fact that you think this has to do with her being a Republican is absurd. It doesnt matter what letter is in front of your name, if you start race riots, youre an awful person.


You seem awfully eager to write her inciting hatred off as acceptable and to characterize those that call her on it as just partisan. Given your comments on this board about blacks, however, this is not suprising.

Then, I have no choice but to assume you are incapable of seeing logic and are seeing just what you want to see. Which is just par for the course for you.

So if she never ran for the VP slot, if McCain picked someone else, you'd still find this funny? I doubt it.

So if she never ran for the VP slot, if McCain picked someone else, you'd still find this funny? I doubt it.

Depends, would she still be inciting race riots?


That your incapable of seeing why this is the real issue, not her political party, is very telling of you, by the way.

As an aside, I love how everyone is just assuming this is arson. The fact that Alaskian officals say they think the fire was "suspicious" is all we have to go on.


But Im sure Palin loves that youre living out her persecution complex for her. It must have been those Eastern Elitests!

Nope, KOL, it's people like you, who think burning a church is funny because someone you oppose politically happens to attend there. You're the same folks who would scream "Hate Crime" if Trinity in Chicago was burned under "suspicious circumstances", and demand the blood (and other body parts) of whoever set it-and if nobody did, you're the kind who'd come up with a conspiracy theory about how those EEEEVILLL Republicans must've set it up then covered it up.

Me? I figure it was probably shitty wiring, but if it's arson, it's probably more to do with kids not liking churches, than with whoever happens to attend THAT one. Either way, it's NOT FUNNY.

You seem awfully eager to write her inciting hatred off as acceptable and to characterize those that call her on it as just partisan. Given your comments on this board about blacks, however, this is not suprising.

Ok, this should be as much fun as a root canal in the Arctic..but what the Hell, I've resided to the fact that I'm a masochist.

First post that I made on this thread.

Not even going to comment on the bolded part. However, it is ironic that Palin who incited so much hatred against Obama, had this happened to her.

I guess her chickens have coming home to roost.

Yea, I support her tactic of trying to stir up feelings of racial hatred and violence alright.

Dammit, what did they do with that roll eyes smilie?

Now, what's this about my comments about black people?

Then, I have no choice but to assume you are incapable of seeing logic and are seeing just what you want to see. Which is just par for the course for you.

What you are doing, is taking about six months of someones life, and judging all of it based on that. You judging a book by it's cover basically. And again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Your words right here, could be said to be just as bad as hers. You complain about her stirring up race riots and such. There are some people, that would take what you've said here, as very offensive. As such, I could accuse you of doing just the same thing. I will agree that people like her are part of the problem, however, it's also people like you, your doing the same thing she did, while your audience might be smaller, it the same thing.

Nope, KOL, it's people like you, who think burning a church is funny because someone you oppose politically happens to attend there.
*snip BS assumptions about me*


Once again, that you equate a disgust with Palin as purely political is more telling of you then me.

Let me say this once. Whats funny is this woman spent months sturring up feelings of hate, racism, and resentment, and someone (may) retaliated. Whats funny is she thinks its because of "negative stories about her church" and not that she was inciting race riots.

Once again, that you equate a disgust with Palin as purely political is more telling of you then me.

Let me say this once. Whats funny is this woman spent months sturring up feelings of hate, racism, and resentment, and someone (may) retaliated. Whats funny is she thinks its because of "negative stories about her church" and not that she was inciting race riots.

The fact that you find this funny...at all, tells us more about you as a human being, than anything else.

Yea, I support her tactic of trying to stir up feelings of racial hatred and violence alright.

Your first post is irrelevent. You seem incapable of assuming that a dislik of Palin may have more to do with her conduct than her politics.

Tell you what sport. Look up my comments about IL's governor, a democrat. You'll find me saying things like "I hate him more tha Bush."

Still want to pretend like this is all about that (R) in fron of her name? Probably.


Now, what's this about my comments about black people?

Im not going to explain to you what everyone else knows. Most recently however your comment about buying that AFA lawn orniement that looked like a burning cross and giving it to your black friends.

Thats interesting...you found the idea of putting even a fake burning cross in front of an African American's house funny...

The fact that you find this funny...at all, tells us more about you as a human being, than anything else.

This is me caring what someone on the internet thinks about me as a person.



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Nope, Im sorry, cant keep a straight face.

Most recently however your comment about buying that AFA lawn orniement that looked like a burning cross and giving it to your black friends.

Thats interesting...you found the idea of putting even a fake burning cross in front of an African American's house funny...

1. I found it funny because of the delicious irony. Not my fault that the KKK gave it context.

2. Why am I the only one who finds racial humor funny, I mean I can't be the only one who thought Blazing Saddles was Mel's Brooke best work.

I really love it when white people try to act black...ahh good times.

1. I found it funny because of the delicious irony. Not my fault that the KKK gave it context.

2. Why am I the only one who finds racial humor funny, I mean I can't be the only one who thought Blazing Saddles was Mel's Brooke best work.

I really love it when white people try to act black...ahh good times.

And youve dropped the "this is all politics on your part!" arguement. Looks like I stand corrected.

Once again, that you equate a disgust with Palin as purely political is more telling of you then me.

Let me say this once. Whats funny is this woman spent months sturring up feelings of hate, racism, and resentment, and someone (may) retaliated. Whats funny is she thinks its because of "negative stories about her church" and not that she was inciting race riots.

What I seem to find funny, is that you, yes you, don't want to let the issue with stirring up race riots go. You seem to want to bring it up continuously. FYI, the elections over, America told her, what she was doing was wrong, by voting against her. She has gone home, since she went home, has she been stirring up race riots? I don't think so. I could see it if she was still doing it, however, she's just lost, and gone home disgraced. Isn't the fact that she humiliated herself in front of the entire nation, so many times, I've lost count, enough? It's not like she's doing anything to draw attention to herself. She has gone home, and most likely wants to forget this whole thing. Just let it be, it's over.

This is me caring what someone on the internet thinks about me as a person.



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Nope, Im sorry, cant keep a straight face.

And thus, you demonstrate your actual character.

by the way, KOL, I'd be Fascinated if you can provide evidence of your allegations about Palin stirring up racism. I really would. I don't think you have anything more than the fevers of your imagination and the stirrings of the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground, to back that up.

Nope, KOL, it's people like you, who think burning a church is funny because someone you oppose politically happens to attend there. You're the same folks who would scream "Hate Crime" if Trinity in Chicago was burned under "suspicious circumstances", and demand the blood (and other body parts) of whoever set it-and if nobody did, you're the kind who'd come up with a conspiracy theory about how those EEEEVILLL Republicans must've set it up then covered it up.

Me? I figure it was probably shitty wiring, but if it's arson, it's probably more to do with kids not liking churches, than with whoever happens to attend THAT one. Either way, it's NOT FUNNY.

On the other hand, Obama left the Trinity after Jeremiah Wright got Dumbfuck Stupid even after he was given the benefit of the doubt by the President Elect. So seeing the Trinity burn down if nobody was injured would likely have been just as ironic and maybe humorous considering he's still considered "Muslim Obama's Whitey-Hating Christian Pastor".

Once again, that you equate a disgust with Palin as purely political is more telling of you then me.

Let me say this once. Whats funny is this woman spent months sturring up feelings of hate, racism, and resentment, and someone (may) retaliated. Whats funny is she thinks its because of "negative stories about her church" and not that she was inciting race riots.

I do find it a bit amusing that a church in small-town Alaska burns down, and it is covered on all the national news outlets, and a woman who goes there feels like she has to apologize for it. But it's markedly unfunny if it's an act of terrorism, which I hope it isn't.

And youve dropped the "this is all politics on your part!" arguement. Looks like I stand corrected.

So tell me, if a Southern Baptist burns down my home because I'm Wiccan, then are you going to laugh? I mean after all, arson is funny, right, and I am apparently a closeted racist.

What I seem to find funny, is that you, yes you, don't want to let the issue with stirring up race riots go. You seem to want to bring it up continuously. FYI, the elections over, America told her, what she was doing was wrong, by voting against her. She has gone home, since she went home, has she been stirring up race riots? I don't think so. I could see it if she was still doing it, however, she's just lost, and gone home disgraced. Isn't the fact that she humiliated herself in front of the entire nation, so many times, I've lost count, enough? It's not like she's doing anything to draw attention to herself. She has gone home, and most likely wants to forget this whole thing. Just let it be, it's over.

Sorry if I dont think losing an election is adiquate punishment for inciting ugly racism.

And thus, you demonstrate your actual character.

by the way, KOL, I'd be Fascinated if you can provide evidence of your allegations about Palin stirring up racism. I really would. I don't think you have anything more than the fevers of your imagination and the stirrings of the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground, to back that up.

Im not going to rehash old speeches and video clips for you. Im sure youd just ignore them.

So tell me, if a Southern Baptist burns down my home because I'm Wiccan, then are you going to laugh? I mean after all, arson is funny, right, and I am apparently a closeted racist.

I was about to ask how Id even know, but then I remembered youd probably post a blog on NSG about it.

Am I going to laugh? Probably not. Because a church =/= home. And you havent been causing innocent men to recieve death threats. And this imaginary case was about religious differences, not you being a bad person.

Now, if that Southern Baptist had been going all over the country saying we should burn down Wiccan's homes because theyre all terrorist sympathizers, devil worshipers, and not real Americans, and then someone burnt his house down...

Pfft, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a pity-seeking, conspired ploy.

by the way, KOL, I'd be Fascinated if you can provide evidence of your allegations about Palin stirring up racism. I really would. I don't think you have anything more than the fevers of your imagination and the stirrings of the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground, to back that up.

Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html)The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.

The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.

But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.

Michelle Obama, the future First Lady, was so upset that she turned to her friend and campaign adviser Valerie Jarrett and said: "Why would they try to make people hate us?"
Obviously, that in no way legitimizes retaliatory violence against Palin, let alone against her church.

Sorry if I dont think losing an election is adiquate punishment for inciting ugly racism.



Im not going to rehash old speeches and video clips for you. Im sure youd just ignore them.

So, what punishment do you think is fitting for you? Most of your comments in this thread, would make an American White Christian very upset. All you are doing, is creating hate, and tension. It's people like this, that are what is wrong with America.

So, what punishment do you think is fitting for you? Most of your comments in this thread, would make an American White Christian very upset. All you are doing, is creating hate, and tension. It's people like this, that are what is wrong with America.

If the American White Christian is upset that I dont feel sorry for someone who incites violence against innocent people and then has their church burnt down, then fuck them.


And Im just as bad because Im pissing off racists? Please. Thats like saying Im a bigot because I dont cater to bigoted beliefs.

Obviously, that in no way legitimizes retaliatory violence against Palin, let alone against her church.

Oh, of course it does.

There's nothing like retaliatory brinksmanship to ring in the new year...

Yes, her church burning down after her words, and conduct on the campaign trail is ironic, as I have stated in my first post on this thread. However, that doesn't mean it's funny.

If the American White Christian is upset that I dont feel sorry for someone who incites violence against innocent people and then has their church burnt down, then fuck them.


And Im just as bad because Im pissing off racists? Please. Thats like saying Im a bigot because I dont cater to bigoted beliefs.

No, I think it would be more that you don't feel sorry for the people who where actually there when it happened. Also, I don't know if I made it clear, but Palin was included in that what's wrong with American statement.

Sorry kids,

It ain't funny, no way, no how. It's frickin arson. Now, limburger cheese melted in the heating vents... THAT would be funny.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/622552.html

We are definitely treating it as suspicious and as potential arson at this point," he said.

Steele declined to say why investigators believe the fire might have been set deliberately, or whether accelerants were found on the scene.

Nothing thus far suggests any political motivation for the fire, the chief said.

"Right now there's no indication that we have that there's any connection there. We just don't have any leads at all as far as the intent or motive in this," Steele said


So, there isnt really any motive or reason to think its arson, but theyre treating it as arson.

Sorry kids,

It ain't funny, no way, no how. It's frickin arson. Now, limburger cheese melted in the heating vents... THAT would be funny.

Hehe, now that would be funny.

No, I think it would be more that you don't feel sorry for the people who where actually there when it happened. Also, I don't know if I made it clear, but Palin was included in that what's wrong with American statement.

Where have I said I dont feel sorry for the people who were there? Oh thats right, no where.

Sorry kids,

It ain't funny, no way, no how. It's frickin arson. Now, limburger cheese melted in the heating vents... THAT would be funny.

Stop saying it was fucking arson. There is no indication that it was thus far.

Stop saying it was fucking arson. There is no indication that it was thus far.

Right. Investigators say there's reason to believe that it was, in fact, arson.

But of course it isn't. Excuse me for being at least mildly led by what the chief of the fire chief on scene said about the incident. I'll move to being quietly disillusioned and weary about everything the media says.

Right. Investigators say there's reason to believe that it was, in fact, arson.

But of course it isn't. Excuse me for being at least mildly led by what the chief of the fire chief on scene said about the incident. I'll move to being quietly disillusioned and weary about everything the media says.

Funny, the investigators think its arson, but then they say they have no idea on motive. So, to say its arson is, at this point, not easy to substantiate.

They said it was an arson before the fire was even fucking out. They hadnt even investigated the scene yet. Sorry if Im not ready to buy this yet.


EDIT: Fuck, the chief even says "potential" arson. So, again, posters here calling it an arson is misleading, no matter how hard you might really wish it was to validate your persecution complex.

Where have I said I dont feel sorry for the people who were there? Oh thats right, no where.



Stop saying it was fucking arson. There is no indication that it was thus far.

You said it was funny. It doesn't matter what you say your laughing at specifically. It's not funny that Palin's church got burned down when she was spreading hateful messages, because there were people in that church when the fire started. Also, your basing your assumption that it wasn't arson on what exactly? The fact that they say it's suspicious, and are treating it like arson, or the fact that they won't say if accelerates were used? No matter what you are laughing at, you are making the entire situation a joke, and that will offend people, because people were in that church and could have died.

Right. Investigators say there's reason to believe that it was, in fact, arson.No, they say they are treating it as a potential arson and considering other possible causes. That means they don't know yet, but it's within the realm of possibility that it's arson.

You said it was funny. It doesn't matter what you say your laughing at specifically.

Actually, it does.

Also, your basing your assumption that it wasn't arson on what exactly?


I never said it wasnt an arson, Im saying the investigators dont know, and neither do posters on NSG.


No matter what you are laughing at, you are making the entire situation a joke, and that will offend people

Dont care.

because people were in that church and could have died.

But they didnt.

Perhaps "funny" wasnt the right word. I didnt actually laugh. Maybe...gratifying? Nah, too strong. Maybe...fitting? Yes. Fitting is the word I should have used, not "funny".

Actually, it does.



I never said it wasnt an arson, Im saying the investigators dont know, and neither do posters on NSG.



Dont care.



But they didnt.

Okay, so everything is okay, as long as no one dies. So why don't we give everyone a gun, as long as no one dies, it's okay for us to shoot at each other right?

Funny, the investigators think its arson, but then they say they have no idea on motive. So, to say its arson is, at this point, not easy to substantiate.

They said it was an arson before the fire was even fucking out. They hadnt even investigated the scene yet. Sorry if Im not ready to buy this yet.

There are, given the nature of the building, two main systems that would most likely accidentally cause a fire that would exhibit the same traits as this fire - electrical and heating.

Given how relatively new the building is, and how the ignition was, according to your first source, at the entrance of the buidling and not near any area where high and sustained voltages would occur, there's a reason for this to be deemed an arson investigation.

I would have reason to be skeptical, but given the age of the building in question, I have more reason to trust an arson investigation.

Okay, so everything is okay, as long as no one dies. So why don't we give everyone a gun, as long as no one dies, it's okay for us to shoot at each other right?

You compete in the olympics to make such leaps?

Youre missing why I find her church getting burnt down fitting.

There are, given the nature of the building, two main systems that would most likely accidentally cause a fire that would exhibit the same traits as this fire - electrical and heating.

Given how relatively new the building is, and how the ignition was, according to your first source, at the entrance of the buidling and not near any area where high and sustained voltages would occur, there's a reason for this to be deemed an arson investigation.

I would have reason to be skeptical, but given the age of the building in question, I have more reason to trust an arson investigation.


But...they havent declared it an arson. They said it may be an arson. So, again, saying its for sure an arson is wrong at this point.

You compete in the olympics to make such leaps?

Youre missing why I find her church getting burnt down fitting.

By calling it fitting, your saying that it's acceptable that it happened. Even though people could have died. Your saying it's okay, because Palin deserved it.

But...they havent declared it an arson. They said it may be an arson. So, again, saying its for sure an arson is wrong at this point.

Unless they were somehow involved. <.< :tongue:

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES, AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HER BEING A VILE HUMAN BEING.

Untrue. This fire affected Palin in no real way. It affected other people. Just because they had a brush in with a fire and go to the same church as her does not make this event hilarious. If she had fallen down on her ass while walking down the stairs, or she was excommunicated, it would have been ironically funny. This? Nothing funny about it.

By calling it fitting, your saying that it's acceptable that it happened. Even though people could have died.

It is acceptable because no one died.

Your saying it's okay, because Palin deserved it.

Yep.

But...they havent declared it an arson. They said it may be an arson. So, again, saying its for sure an arson is wrong at this point.

My conviction as to an arson decleration is as strong as your conviction as to an accidental fire declaration. Which to say, it isn't. I've yet to say something absolutely declaring the fire an arson - but I have mentioned reasons why I would be led to belive it was an arson.

But hey, as long as you feel like I have a persecution complex for someone I wouldn't even sit next to at a bar, much less vote in as Vice President, keep on going.

Has anyone else noticed how so far, KoL is the only one who's finding it "funny" or "fitting"?

Unless they were somehow involved. <.< :tongue:

"Psst... you see that moose Beanie Baby in the shrubs by the entrance? Ignore it."

:tongue:

It's unlikely, given how people expect her to be at least a candidate for a 2012 run (*sigh*), but it would be amusing.

It is acceptable because no one died.



Yep.

Okay, so as long as no one dies, there is nothing wrong with burning down a building? So your saying arson shouldn't be a crime, only arson that results in murder?

Has anyone else noticed how so far, KoL is the only one who's finding it "funny" or "fitting"?

Yes, many others, Im sure. Whats your point? Because you all scolded me, I should repent?


Im probably the only one piss drunk too.

Okay, so as long as no one dies, there is nothing wrong with burning down a building? So your saying arson shouldn't be a crime, only arson that results in murder?

Oh, you misunderstand. If the arsonist is caught, I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Yes, many others, Im sure. Whats your point? Because you all scolded me, I should repent?


Im probably the only one piss drunk too.

If you're the only one who's laughing, or find it "funny" (or "fitting", whatever wording you're using) then there's probably a pretty good chance that it's not funny.

If you're the only one who's laughing, or find it "funny" (or "fitting", whatever wording you're using) then there's probably a pretty good chance that it's not funny.

Oh, no, often my humor fails to get laughs because it's just too sophisticated for the yokels around me. But in this case, I'd suspect it has more to do with KoL being piss drunk.

Knights of Liberty, banned for 24 hours for flaming and trolling.

Not even going to comment on the bolded part. However, it is ironic that Palin who incited so much hatred against Obama, had this happened to her.
That's not ironic at all.

hmm, politics mixed with religion, sounds like another certain someone with a tiny moustache (no, not sarah palin again!)

Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html)
Obviously, that in no way legitimizes retaliatory violence against Palin, let alone against her church.

Read it again. In particular, the fact that, during an election (gasp!) she questioned Obama's patriotism, and pointed out his association with Bill Ayers, y'know, the guy who planned the bombing of the Capitol building and wrote "Prairie Fire"? The guy who is quoted as saying "Guilty as hell, Free as a Bird" after his lawyer got his prosecution thrown out on technicalities?

THat isn't "Racist"-it's pointing out uncomfortable facts about the guy's affiliations, and it's totally kosher to do so-wouldn't you want to know if a Republican presidential candidate was a friend of Richard Butler? What some idiots (who always show up in a hotly contested election) DO with such information is up to those idiots.

It's good that you're rational enough to realize that arson is BAD, churches being lit up WORSE, and that the election is OVER.

http://skyblu.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/smokey-the-bear.jpeg

Smokey the bear approves, if only out of a sense of self preservation.

If the American White Christian is upset that I dont feel sorry for someone who incites violence against innocent people and then has their church burnt down, then fuck them.


And Im just as bad because Im pissing off racists? Please. Thats like saying Im a bigot because I dont cater to bigoted beliefs.

How do you feel about people who applaud violence against innocent people?

Or do you not regard the children who were in the church at the time as innocent?

Or do you not regard the children who were in the church at the time as innocent?

Sarah Palin knew their parents so they are just as bad as Palin and deserve everything they get. The whole guilt by association thing, you know.

Sarah Palin knew their parents so they are just as bad as Palin and deserve everything they get. The whole guilt by association thing, you know.

Well, the parents likely voted for her, so, y'know, it's not like the fire would be hurting people or anything-just Republicans.

Well, the parents likely voted for her, so, y'know, it's not like the fire would be hurting people or anything-just Republicans.

Yeah and we all know that Republicans aren't real people and their children deserve to be burnt. Of course no one was killed in this so that makes it alright.

Yeah and we all know that Republicans aren't real people and their children deserve to be burnt. Of course no one was killed in this so that makes it alright.

Absolutely, just ask the Daily Kos kids. Gotta stamp out those right-wingers, don'cha know.

Absolutely, just ask the Daily Kos kids. Gotta stamp out those right-wingers, don'cha know.

Yeah the best way to stop them is to kill them.

Of course we can't forget about those Clinton supporters they are just as bad.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES, AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HER BEING A VILE HUMAN BEING.




Who are you judge on the moral integrity of another human being? Who are you to comment on the vileness of someone you have never met? Who are you, to come down from your throne of moral perfection to cast down judgement?

What right do you even have to declare that she is a vile human being?

I have read your posts in this thread, and have seen nothing but contempt and hatred spewing out of your mouth. Ironic, considering it is the same accusations that you place upon Palin.

I must ask you, to look into your own life, and analyse the moral imperfections that you hold. The disgusting things that you have done in your life time, which I am sure could lead me to declare you as a “vile human being.”

I honestly, cannot understand you hated contempt for a woman. Yes her church was burned down. Now think of the other nine hundred and ninety nine worshippers who now have significant problems on sourcing space for their community groups. That now need to capitalise finance to rebuild. That now have no-where to host the Christmas gatherings and social work that goes forth into the community.

Finding something like this hilarious, but then assuming a moral high ground over a "vile" woman, to be honest is beyond belief. When you yourself just appear to be a wretched creature of contempt.

Far better to forgive Palin for the mistakes she has made, and instead look forward to the future and express genuine sympathy for the damage this fire has caused, than to grasp at straws of hatred.

Knights of Liberty, banned for 24 hours for flaming and trolling.

If we're picking up one person for being incendiary (ha ha), could we have a bucket of water thrown over the thread as a whole? Wilgrove and others were giving out just as much as they got earlier in the thread, Sudova and Blouman Empire have been making posts that are distinctly unhelpful, and Unified Sith is also close to the line of personal attacks on another poster.

While none of the above are flaming or fighting as much as KoL was, the overall atmosphere in here is definitely heated.

KoL's ban was directly related to his recent history, including a red card warning from the day before. BE's and Sudova's I take to be simple sarcasm, which, given the trolling nature of the OP, is a relatively restrained response.

This, however,

<snip>When you yourself just appear to be a wretched creature of contempt.

is indeed over the line. Cut it out, now.

I did consider closing the thread because of the general level of hostility, but have left it open in the hope of rational discussion if there are developments in the case.

I would strongly recommend that posters

think it over before hitting "Submit Reply";
avoid further rulebreaking;
realise that the US Presidential election is OVER;
remember that mods can review threads.

*switches on CCTV*

Thank you Ard, my last few comments were indeed sarcasm.

However, there has been further developments to the case and it appears that the fire was indeed arson.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/arsonist-causes-15m-in-damage-to-palins-church/2008/12/14/1229189443938.html

*shudder*

i hope he's caught quickly.

and I thought H2 was bad when he wouldn't shut up about some forum or chatroom disagreeing with him on the Iraq War...

And soon I shall have my comeuppance, as my IP changed! :D

Anyways.

Given that women and children got scared, no, I don't find it funny, as they are innocent. However, if there were no women and children, if it was only the building, and it only inconvenienced the morons who were actively trying to turn America into a theocracy... MOERU! MOERU! KYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! MOERUUUUU!!!

(Who here watched Escaflowne?)

But since no one was, its hilarious.

Politics as usual, aye?

And soon I shall have my comeuppance, as my IP changed! :D

Anyways.

Given that women and children got scared, no, I don't find it funny, as they are innocent. However, if there were no women and children, if it was only the building, and it only inconvenienced the morons who were actively trying to turn America into a theocracy... MOERU! MOERU! KYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! MOERUUUUU!!!

(Who here watched Escaflowne?)

I always find this to be an interesting double standard. "Since only a building was damaged, it's ok." Yet, arguably there are some mosques in america which are out to convert our country into a theocracy, and if someone set those on fire it would justifiably be called a hate crime. The schools in our country are already spinning lies and turning us into a plutocracy, but you don't see Christians (or any other minority group) threatening to burn down schools.

Or maybe, the liberal left is actually made uncomfortable by being put in a spot where they have to defend the indefensible (terrorism against religious people), so they have to call up exceptions ("no people were injured") to justify criminal behavior.

Does it occur to anyone this is awfully self-centered? OMG it has to do with ME!

Does it occur to anyone this is awfully self-centered? OMG it has to do with ME!

I just figured that people would realize this and shut up.

this has probably been already mentioned, but wht if its just an accident? (or god hates sarah palin)

this has probably been already mentioned, but wht if its just an accident? (or god hates sarah palin)

If God hates Sarah Palin he would target her specifically, not her local dioces.

It's a hate crime, plain and simple.

It's a hate crime, plain and simple.
kinda early to say that isnt it?

it may be done for the insurance money for all we know.

Looks like Varg is in Alaska (there is only one person on this board that I know with 100% certianty will get that).

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/12/13/2008-12-13_suspicious_fire_burns_alaska_gov_sarah_p.html



If someone was hurt, itd be tragic.

But since no one was, its hilarious.

Heheh, Varg's in Alaska.

*shudder*

i hope he's caught quickly.

He'll probably start eliminating McCain's surplus houses. *nod*

He'll probably start eliminating McCain's surplus houses. *nod*

The fewer houses around, the higher the value of the remaining homes become!

The fewer houses around, the higher the value of the remaining homes become!

A good point. Maybe he should build crappy homes next to them so as to lower the value of McCain's homes.

Looks like Varg is in Alaska (there is only one person on this board that I know with 100% certianty will get that).

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/12/13/2008-12-13_suspicious_fire_burns_alaska_gov_sarah_p.html



If someone was hurt, itd be tragic.

But since no one was, its hilarious.


Because its hilarious when people who put so much time,money and effort into the upkeep of a building, or have a special connection to it, lose said building in an act of bigotry? Yep, flipping hilarious!

Well excuse me if I don't find arson that could've killed people funny. Or I'm cheering when something bad happens to other people just because they're religious or political ideology is different from mine. I do keep in mind that despite our differences, we are all fucking human being, and should treat each other as such.

http://www.dedroidify.com/blogimages/normal_Internet-SeriousBusiness.jpg

-snip-

Now you're just being lazy.

Now you're just being lazy.

no, just efficient.

As hateful a person as Sarah Palin is, as much as she wants to make the country into a theocracy, and as happy as she was to knowingly put an innocent man -- and loyal public servant-- in danger of assassination, there were innocents involved here, and as such I condemn the arsonist, if arson it was.

I must admit, I did find it a little amusing that her chickens came home to roost, but this is not what should have happened. I do not think, as some have suggested, that not getting to be VP is enough of a punishment for what she did-- after all, she did her best to stir up hatred, divide the country, even to the level that an innocent man was put at risk for assassination (and I doubt that she just didn't foresee these consequences. Even a fairly stupid person should have been able to, if they saw her speeches. Hell, just seeing a transcript of one of them was enough for me)

Most people, even people who don't try to craft the public into a state of hatred and fear, don't get to be VP anyway-- but burning down buildings is reprehensible, especially if there are innocents inside. Better to target her individually, and through means that are neither criminal nor dangerous.

http://www.dedroidify.com/blogimages/normal_Internet-SeriousBusiness.jpg

Oh please if Reverend Wright's church had burn down you would have been the first to throw a fit at others making fun of that.

Oh please if Reverend Wright's church had burn down you would have been the first to throw a fit at others making fun of that.

I don't personally know enough about Rev. Wright's policies or standpoints in order to find a bit of irony in the proposition. I know the soundbites we heard, mostly from the right wing spin machine.

On the other hand, Palin's speeches are well known. And there is something to be said for "you reap what you sow"

good riddance lol

I don't personally know enough about Rev. Wright's policies or standpoints in order to find a bit of irony in the proposition. I know the soundbites we heard, mostly from the right wing spin machine.

On the other hand, Palin's speeches are well known. And there is something to be said for "you reap what you sow"

To be sure, HER CHURCH reaped what SHE sowed.

Not that her church is much better than Bible Spice herself, but...

I don't personally know enough about Rev. Wright's policies or standpoints in order to find a bit of irony in the proposition. I know the soundbites we heard, mostly from the right wing spin machine.

On the other hand, Palin's speeches are well known. And there is something to be said for "you reap what you sow"

So the person put out by this act of arson was Palin?

The children in the church were innocent. I imagine it wasn't a pleasant experience for them. The people who go to this church, aren't Palin, and like those in Wright's church you don't know enough about them to endorse this kind of behavior even if no one was physically injured.

So the person put out by this act of arson was Palin?

The children in the church were innocent. I imagine it wasn't a pleasant experience for them. The people who go to this church, aren't Palin, and like those in Wright's church you don't know enough about them to endorse this kind of behavior even if no one was physically injured.

To be sure, were I one of the kids scared in a fight they had nothing to do with, I'd strive to find the arsonist so I could gouge their eyes off. Which is the main reason I disapprove of this arson - it harmed innocent people, if not physically.

Assuming it was an arson at all.

As for Palin, yes, she deserves what crap she gets, and I'd love to see someone's boot stomping on her face. Unfortunately, SHE got nothing in this case.

To be sure, were I one of the kids scared in a fight they had nothing to do with, I'd strive to find the arsonist so I could gouge their eyes off. Which is the main reason I disapprove of this arson - it harmed innocent people, if not physically.

Assuming it was an arson at all.

As for Palin, yes, she deserves what crap she gets, and I'd love to see someone's boot stomping on her face. Unfortunately, SHE got nothing in this case.

lol

Looks like Varg is in Alaska (there is only one person on this board that I know with 100% certianty will get that).

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/12/13/2008-12-13_suspicious_fire_burns_alaska_gov_sarah_p.html



If someone was hurt, itd be tragic.

But since no one was, its hilarious.

Dude that is not cool! Church burning is NOT funny!

Dude that is not cool! Church burning is NOT funny!


He wasn't saying the actual burning was funny..but the irony! He also made it explicit that he was GLAD NO ONE was injured. I got what he was meaning.. but it spilt into a ravaging.

Honestly when this convo was going on, it reminded of a witch burning.. and I've seen it for the other side also here. NSG can be savage .. .. grr. ;) .. (not as serious as can be, I mean it's a forum, but it went ravage).

Also.. you gotta learn when to shut up. You cannot keep responding. That's what lawyers.. or good lawyers are for. This reminded me of that.. many responses to him .. I thought.. don't respond.. its a set up.

Anyway.. IMO he really meant no harm .. with his initial Thread..commentary.

Speak! Am I the only one that feels it was a wrong ban?

I saw Joc .. many others jump on bandwagon of attacking KoL.

You'd think he said ... well what ever in your head is really really bad.

I don't see it.

I was hoping this thread had something to do with hash...

He wasn't saying the actual burning was funny..but the irony! He also made it explicit that he was GLAD NO ONE was injured. I got what he was meaning.. but it spilt into a ravaging.


I don't understand how it is ironic.

Fire and Brimstone.

I wish no one any bad dealings.

By being so pro war .. that something similar came home to roost?

A smidget.

Fire and Brimstone.

I wish no one any bad dealings.
That seems a stretch. As an earlier poster said, it would be ironic if a flood or fiery brimstone fell upon the structure. But it just caught fire. It's like saying Palin's oldest son dying is ironic, not quite enough.

Does it occur to anyone this is awfully self-centered? OMG it has to do with ME!

Actually I was thinking about that too Kat, but I was thinking that perhaps the media would have gone directly to her and asked her about that to get that comment.

In today's (Monday) paper it does state that it was indeed arson.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/arsonist-causes-15m-in-damage-to-palins-church/2008/12/14/1229189443938.html

That seems a stretch. As an earlier poster said, it would be ironic if a flood or fiery brimstone fell upon the structure. But it just caught fire. It's like saying Palin's oldest son dying is ironic, not quite enough.

I believe vengeance/payback or irony whatever can come in many forms. .. I 'think' (no back peddling here) I understood what he was saying.

Fire and Brimstone.

I wish no one any bad dealings.

By being so pro war .. that something similar came home to roost?

A smidget.

could one also say thing about obama's church ?

except obama's church is actually saying the garbage instead of the politician that's a former member.

could one also say thing about obama's church ?

except obama's church is actually saying the garbage instead of the politician that's a former member.

Certainly!

All politicians.. are crooks., Democrats . Republicans.. Libertarians .... etc.. etc ... crooks.. croooks.

If Obama is only semi crooked, he can do us a good deal though. Just depends on the point hes crooked.


He better do well. Hes smart enough, got the money enough, the connections enough.. he better. He has absolutely no reason not to.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew

Speak! Am I the only one that feels it was a wrong ban? <snip>

I don't see it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14302839&postcount=104

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14302839&postcount=104

I see.

Looks like Varg is in Alaska (there is only one person on this board that I know with 100% certianty will get that).
Aaaahahahahahaha!

Lol, pure Alaskan Black Metal ist Krieg!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/12/13/2008-12-13_suspicious_fire_burns_alaska_gov_sarah_p.html



If someone was hurt, itd be tragic.

But since no one was, its hilarious.

I agree. It is quite amusing.

Mrs Palin beware: Clearly, DEUS NON VULT.:p

Who are you judge on the moral integrity of another human being? Who are you to comment on the vileness of someone you have never met? Who are you, to come down from your throne of moral perfection to cast down judgement?

What right do you even have to declare that she is a vile human being?

I have read your posts in this thread, and have seen nothing but contempt and hatred spewing out of your mouth. Ironic, considering it is the same accusations that you place upon Palin.

I must ask you, to look into your own life, and analyse the moral imperfections that you hold. The disgusting things that you have done in your life time, which I am sure could lead me to declare you as a “vile human being.”

I honestly, cannot understand you hated contempt for a woman. Yes her church was burned down. Now think of the other nine hundred and ninety nine worshippers who now have significant problems on sourcing space for their community groups. That now need to capitalise finance to rebuild. That now have no-where to host the Christmas gatherings and social work that goes forth into the community.

Finding something like this hilarious, but then assuming a moral high ground over a "vile" woman, to be honest is beyond belief. When you yourself just appear to be a wretched creature of contempt.

Far better to forgive Palin for the mistakes she has made, and instead look forward to the future and express genuine sympathy for the damage this fire has caused, than to grasp at straws of hatred.

Yep.

I don't personally know enough about Rev. Wright's policies or standpoints in order to find a bit of irony in the proposition. I know the soundbites we heard, mostly from the right wing spin machine.

On the other hand, Palin's speeches are well known. And there is something to be said for "you reap what you sow"

Exactly.

So the person put out by this act of arson was Palin?

The children in the church were innocent. I imagine it wasn't a pleasant experience for them. The people who go to this church, aren't Palin, and like those in Wright's church you don't know enough about them to endorse this kind of behavior even if no one was physically injured.

1. You are assuming its arson. Thats not for sure.
2.Were any of the children hurt? No? Then this is nothing more than a "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!" comment.
3. We dont know if it was a harrowing escape. We dont know if the children were scared. They very well may not have been. Im sure theyve been through enough fire drills were it was just a "meh".


I saw Joc .. many others jump on bandwagon of attacking KoL.


Just par for the course for most of them.

Looks like Varg is in Alaska (there is only one person on this board that I know with 100% certianty will get that).

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/12/13/2008-12-13_suspicious_fire_burns_alaska_gov_sarah_p.html



If someone was hurt, itd be tragic.

But since no one was, its hilarious.

Um, I fail to see how arson is hilarious. I'm sure that law enforcement do not share your sense of humor in this regard.

Here's hoping that you eventually find it so funny, you light up another church, and spend 20 years in prison for it.